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    Default The perception of Michael within the USA from the 90's -2009

    This question may have been answered before, but... How was Michael perceived within the US from the early 90's - 2009?
    What was the reaction to his comeback in 2009?
    Why didn't Michael tour the United States fully after the Bad Tour?

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    Default Re: The perception of Michael within the USA from the 90's -2009

    I think the happenings of 1993 really compromised Michael’s presence in the USA, in a sense. He chose to tour in foreign countries like England and Germany instead to escape the unrighteous view the USA as an entirety had of him. Of course, like fans in other countries, there were fans in the US that still supported him and did not believe the allegations, but Mike just did not wish to face his soiled reputation (at the time) there anymore. From there, he only did special performances in the nation such as the one at the 1995 MTV Video Music Awards. Another factor that could explain less concerts in the USA is that Mike simply wanted to meet fans globally in Germany, England, Denmark, Norway, everywhere. He did not want to only meet and perform for fans in his home country. His message was to Heal The World after all, not Heal The USA.

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    Default Re: The perception of Michael within the USA from the 90's -2009

    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Effect View Post
    I think the happenings of 1993 really compromised Michael’s presence in the USA, in a sense. He chose to tour in foreign countries like England and Germany instead to escape the unrighteous view the USA as an entirety had of him. Of course, like fans in other countries, there were fans in the US that still supported him and did not believe the allegations, but Mike just did not wish to face his soiled reputation (at the time) there anymore. From there, he only did special performances in the nation such as the one at the 1995 MTV Video Music Awards. Another factor that could explain less concerts in the USA is that Mike simply wanted to meet fans globally in Germany, England, Denmark, Norway, everywhere. He did not want to only meet and perform for fans in his home country. His message was to Heal The World after all, not Heal The USA.
    Weeeelllllllll.....he did do heal l.a (just throwing that out there)

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    A main reason that he did not plan to tour in USA (for the Dangerous Tour) was because there were (relatively to the rest of the world) smaller stadiums, and even if these concerts were sold-out they could not cover the cost of the giant production of the Dangerous Tour.

    And also his popularity in USA started to decrease (from the early ‘90s onwards), when his skin colour was becoming gradually lighter and because of that he also started to lose a large part of his black, American fan base.

    After the 1993 allegations, there was also the general negative atmosphere towards him, and the reactions to him in USA generally ranged from indifference to even hatred.

    Finally, the reaction in USA (in 2009) to his ‘This Is It’ comeback was lukewarm, which also explains why there were no plans at all to perform in USA for the ‘This Is It’ Tour (after the London shows).

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    Default Re: The perception of Michael within the USA from the 90's -2009

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Finally, the reaction in USA (in 2009) to his ‘This Is It’ comeback was lukewarm, which also explains why there were no plans at all to perform in USA for the ‘This Is It’ Tour (after the London shows).
    What tour? There were no plans for a tour. Michael wanted to do 10 concerts in London and that was going to be it. He reportedly complained to fans that AEG extended it to 50 concerts in London. Tour?

    And why would it be anything but a side note in the USA if Michael announces concerts somewhere on the other side of the planet?

    As always you're twisting things to appear in the most negative way possible.
    Last edited by Electro; 15-09-2020 at 11:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Finally, the reaction in USA (in 2009) to his ‘This Is It’ comeback was lukewarm, which also explains why there were no plans at all to perform in USA for the ‘This Is It’ Tour (after the London shows).
    In fact....there were. Michael was going to tour all over the world after the London shows and the tour was going to last between 3-5 years. He was even going to perform on the Super Bowl again. This was confirmed by Michael Prince.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    In fact....there were. Michael was going to tour all over the world after the London shows and the tour was going to last between 3-5 years. He was even going to perform on the Super Bowl again. This was confirmed by Michael Prince.
    Michael Durham Prince also said that Michael Jackson planned to tour for the ‘Invincible’ album.

    In actuality, Michael Jackson never planned to tour for the ‘Invincible’ album (he confided the reason to the American producer Cory Rooney in the early ‘00s).

    Also, Michael Durham Prince cannot even remember songs that he along with Michael Jackson together worked on.

    Michael Durham Prince is an unreliable source generally, so I cannot see why what he said about the Super Bowl performance (in the ‘This Is It’ era) has to be taken as a fact.

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    Default Re: The perception of Michael within the USA from the 90's -2009

    Randy Phillips also confirmed this:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140504...fore-his-death

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    Default Re: The perception of Michael within the USA from the 90's -2009

    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    Randy Phillips also confirmed this:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140504...fore-his-death

    From the end of the article:
    "It has been reported that while AEG claimed they were very confident about Jackson's health leading up to his concerts, they also took out a very hefty life insurance policy on him to protect their assets should something happen to his health that prevented the costly performances going ahead."


    This was written a few days after Michaels death. So with their eyes on the life insurance payout, this claim about alleged plans beyond the London concerts would surely demonstrate AEG's "confidence" in Michaels health.

    It definitly contradicts what fans reported hearing from Michael directly.
    Last edited by Electro; 15-09-2020 at 01:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Michael Durham Prince is an unreliable source generally, so I cannot see why what he said about the Super Bowl performance (in the ‘This Is It’ era) has to be taken as a fact.
    Oh, the irony...


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    Default Re: The perception of Michael within the USA from the 90's -2009

    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    In fact....there were. Michael was going to tour all over the world after the London shows and the tour was going to last between 3-5 years. He was even going to perform on the Super Bowl again. This was confirmed by Michael Prince.
    He didn't perform in US on previous tours so its possible that he didn't plan to do it for This Is It either.
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    Default Re: The perception of Michael within the USA from the 90's -2009

    Hi Electro,

    There were plans for more concert series like the 'This Is It' one in London, MJ having a permanent residence and performing in the same venue for some time. I came through some documents that detailed this including some possible locations (as I remember Tokio and Paris were mentioned as locations) with MJ's signature.

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    Michael may have not been aware but this was AEG's plan for the tour:

    ''Documents displayed for a jury Wednesday showed the promoter of Michael Jackson's ill-fated comeback concerts had contemplated a worldwide tour for the entertainer in the year before his death.

    The documents prepared by AEG Live LLC envisioned 186 shows, with Jackson earning $132 million for his performances - far less than the $835 million that an accountant who previously testified for the Jackson family had projected the singer would pocket from 260 shows around the globe.''
    - Billboard

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/n...bal-court-told

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeslieMJ View Post
    Hi Electro,

    There were plans for more concert series like the 'This Is It' one in London, MJ having a permanent residence and performing in the same venue for some time. I came through some documents that detailed this including some possible locations (as I remember Tokio and Paris were mentioned as locations) with MJ's signature.
    Hi,
    I actually remember something like this as well. It just never correlated with those fan reported comments by Michael.
    Well, who knows. The fact this would have not been a "tour" in the old way (that he hated doing), might have made him agree once he saw that people wanted more.

    So you saw contracts for those? Were they brought up in one of the trials?
    Can we be sure that the signatures were not fake?

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    Default Re: The perception of Michael within the USA from the 90's -2009

    A few things I want to point out.

    Michael did agree to tour for Invincible in America and Europe in spring 2002, but changed his mind after 9/11, every other major artist also cancelled their tours due to 9/11. But him being tired of touring was also a major factor in the decision.

    And after the 50 shows in London, This Is It was planned to be taken around the globe for three years and 186 shows. (This plan sounds crazy considering Michael’s mental and physical state but it is what it is.) He was going to go to such places as Germany, Japan, India, Australia, etc. and then finally ending the tour in Canada and the US.

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