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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    Quote Originally Posted by DMN31 View Post
    On the first 6 shows of the HIStory tour,Michael peformed Thriller with the Red Jacket (Made with FDNY Reflective material)
    But that one kept getting damage and on the Amsterdam shows He wore a Different jacket.
    Starting from the next show in Tunis,The White Leather Jacket was used for the rest of the tour

    Other reasons why Michael ended up using the white jacket is because with stage being really dark it was hard to see what was going on with the red jacket. Fans who have seen him live have said that whenever he did Thriller the stage was really dark. And another reason could be that Beat It was the next song which also has a red jacket and Michael didn't want to use two red jackets in a row

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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    Quote Originally Posted by DMN31 View Post
    On the first 6 shows of the HIStory tour,Michael peformed Thriller with the Red Jacket (Made with FDNY Reflective material)
    But that one kept getting damage and on the Amsterdam shows He wore a Different jacket.
    Starting from the next show in Tunis,The White Leather Jacket was used for the rest of the tour

    WTF is that Amsterdam jacket.. any better pictures out there?

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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    IKR. The Amsterdamn jacket doesn't even look like a Thriller jacket.

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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    Also don't forget that he started wearing the white stripped pants in the Australian leg
    I already mentioned the pants.
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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    Quote Originally Posted by analogue View Post
    IKR. The Amsterdamn jacket doesn't even look like a Thriller jacket.
    I always assumed it looked similar to the 1987 Bad tour Thriller jacket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PoP View Post
    I already mentioned the pants.
    No you didn’t. You mentioned his pants with buckles while I was talking about his black pants that he wore from Beat It - Bad/MITM.

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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    [QUOTE=MichaelD;4305645]I always assumed it looked similar to the 1987 Bad tour Thriller jacket.



    Now thinking about it, the thriller jacket has gone through many obvious changes throughout the years. it is the jacket that went through most changes out of all his live costumes.
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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    The This Is It Thriller jacket might be my favourite one.

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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    Might be not on purpose but on Beat It in Bucharest 1996 you could hear the background-singer through the entire song along with MJ backingvocals.. which sounded way better and more powerful. Also MJs energy through the entire show is on dangerous-tour-mode. The best show i've seen from the history tour. It feels like this concerts is how the HWT was supposed to be...

    Shame that we only have that crappy VHS rip with the Bucharest 1992 sounds on it.

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    I loved that Michael used the same adlibs he used on the BAD and Dangerous Tours at Bucharest 1996. And I love the extra ''Shock a dee bap, shock a dee bap'' (I think that's what he says) adlibs he throws in there too.

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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    Quote Originally Posted by dam2040 View Post
    WTF is that Amsterdam jacket.. any better pictures out there?
    I don't think there are any pictures available. Only this video:
    A Film Release Of Michael Jacksons Bad Tour 1988/89 Petition. Please sign so we can get Bad Tour in HD:

    https://www.change.org/p/the-michael...d-tour-1988-89

    #MJBadTourHD

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    How did you share the post with the time stamp already there?
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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    In early History concerts, MJ was trying to do more parts live.

    DANGEROUS

    In the first two concerts, he sang the "Dangerous, you got, you got ... my baby!" part live.
    Prague: https://youtu.be/Wx7oVI1fZxc?t=5616
    Budepest: https://youtu.be/XYIVQUPeOgo?t=5020 , only the second "dangerous" was live.

    BTW in Ostend, MJ did the entire rap part live, but that's not a "subtle" change.

    YANA

    In Prague (first concert), MJ sang more live parts of YANA, he started live right after the key was raised the second time. Unlike the later concerts, where he started live after the long "in my heeeeeaaaaarrrrrt". But even though he started live earlier, he still didn't sing the long "heart" part, he was just ad-libbing randomly.
    Prague: https://youtu.be/Wx7oVI1fZxc?t=2415

    STRANGER IN MOSCOW

    In the first several concerts, you can hear the backup singers singing the first few lines of "Stranger in Moscow" on top of the playback, but usually the live backup vocals were cut off after the second line.
    Prague: https://youtu.be/Wx7oVI1fZxc?t=1408
    Budapest: https://youtu.be/XYIVQUPeOgo?t=1235
    Bucharest: https://youtu.be/dG_Zi-2TCZQ?t=1271
    In the above three concerts, you can clearly hear the live "Mask of life, feeling insane", but starting from the second line "Sunny days seem far away", you can't hear the live vocals anymore.

    I didn't find the footage of Warsaw concert, but I can't hear any live backup vocals in the Zaragoza concert which is after that.
    Zaragoza: https://youtu.be/Mpko8m5Re_k?t=940

    In Kuala Lumpur Oct 27 concert, you can hear the first two lines of backup vocals being live, but starting from the third line "Stalin" it's pure playback.
    https://youtu.be/S4a4sJ7ldA8?t=1206
    In Kuala Lumpur Oct 29 concert, you only hear the first line live, but it's very quite, starting from the second line it's pure playback.
    https://youtu.be/DmcHZMyAnc0?t=1337

    TWYMMF

    In Amsterdam 1996, Zaragoza, and Tunis, MJ did the ending part live, just like in previous tours.
    Amsterdam: https://youtu.be/pglkVnwlsx0?t=2508
    Zaragoza: https://youtu.be/Mpko8m5Re_k?t=2168
    Tunis: https://youtu.be/Q6o5jgVDFzw?t=2235

    Some fans say that these were fails, but I don't think so. I think MJ were just trying things out during the first few concerts.
    The following one, however, were indeed fails to me.

    BEAT IT

    In Sydney, MJ did this song completely live. There isn't any footage of the entire performance, but we had a mashup video mix containing two "Beat It" clips.
    https://youtu.be/J5JuVuDz56w

    So the structure of Beat it in History Tour is:

    Cherry Picker Intro,
    Verse 1, Verse 2, Chorus 1,
    Verse 3, Verse 4, Chorus 2, Chorus 3,
    "Beat it" Echo, Guitar Solo,
    Chorus 4, "Ho! Ho! ad-libs", Chorus 5, Chorus 6,
    Call & Response with audience "Haaa! Haaa!",
    Dance Routine,
    Chorus with ad-libs 7, 8, 9,
    Outro.

    In other concerts, MJ would lip-synch until Chorus 5, which is the second chorus after the guitar solo, and he would start singing live after the long "ho! ho!". You can check the video of Munich concert, https://youtu.be/Xz-WKZnK_5Y, where he started singing live from 3:42. The backup singers would sing live starting from Chorus 7, ie after the dance routine.

    In this concert, the first clip from 0:00 to 0:15 is the chorus before the Call and Response session, so the chorus being performed is Chorus 6. It's true that MJ's lead vocal of this part is always live. But the backup vocals in other concerts were still playback, here they were also live.

    But the second clip, from 0:15 to the end, is the chorus before the guitar solo session, which is Chorus 3. Chorus 3 was never performed live, nor was the "Beat It" Echo effect session and the "tsch tsch" sounds. This proves that this concert is unique.

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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    In the first few concerts of dangerous tour, MJ did Beat It and WBSS in original key.

    In bad tour, WBSS was performed in original key; Beat It was 3 keys lower than original.

    During dangerous tour rehearsal, WBSS was in original key; Beat It was 1 key lower than original.

    In munich, both were in original key, but MJ was nearly our of breath.

    In second concert, June 30 Rotterdam, WBSS was still in original pitch, but Beat It was altered down 2 keys.

    In third concert, July 1 Rotterdam, WBSS was altered down 2 keys as well.

    But in June 30 Rotterdam concert, when the music of WBSS started, you can clearly see MJ was kinda angry and worried, he signalled the band and backup singers several times. https://youtu.be/owcMeKwH-8k?t=38
    I think he told the band to alter both songs lower before the concert, but maybe the band forgot, so he had to do it in original key again, and that's why he's mad. Maybe he was trying to tell the backup singers to sing more parts for him.

    Starting from July 18, both songs were lowered an extra key, ie three keys lower than original.

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    Default Re: Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

    Quote Originally Posted by analogue View Post
    Not much of a subtle change, but there are two different versions of the 1992 Jam costume
    Actually not only two.



    (idk if I'm uploading these images correctly or not, just giving it a try

    For the strap on his chest, he has a golden one that looks like a shutter window, and a silver one.
    For the belt, he has a golden one that looks like a shutter window, a silver one, and a sorta black-golden one.

    His combinations in 1992 are silver + silver, golden shutter + golden shutter, or golden shutter + black-golden.

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