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    I've recently read about The Twilight Zone film tragedy where two child actors were killed by a helicopter. The scene was directed by John Landis and many placed the blame on him for the deaths of the child but John Landis did not receive any punishment or go to prison, as many in the industry thought he should have.

    I'm shocked to learn about this and has me wondering why would Michael work with such a person?

    The Thriller short film was recorded a year after the tragedy.

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    Michael either didn't know about it (just like he didn't know any other Landis films besides "American Werewolf In London" at the time [see Making Of Thriller]), or he didn't believe it was Landis' fault. There must have been a reason that Landis did not receive any punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIDEWALKS View Post
    I've recently read about The Twilight Zone film tragedy where two child actors were killed by a helicopter. The scene was directed by John Landis and many placed the blame on him for the deaths of the child but John Landis did not receive any punishment or go to prison, as many in the industry thought he should have.

    I'm shocked to learn about this and has me wondering why would Michael work with such a person?

    The Thriller short film was recorded a year after the tragedy.
    Actually three people were killed on the ground - the two child actors and an adult, Vic Morrow. Six people in the helicopter were injured.

    John Landis wasn't the only one charged with involuntary manslaughter after the crash - four others, including the special effects co-ordinator and the helicopter pilot were also charged. A jury acquitted all five people of the criminal charges, after a 10-month trial; however the families of the victims were successful in gaining settlements through a civil lawsuit against Landis, Warner Bros. and the co-director and producer, Steven Spielberg.

    My thoughts are that Michael would accept the verdict of the courts and not hold John Landis responsible for what his defence argued was an accident that could not be predicted. Michael himself was no stranger to litigation and I think would respect and uphold the integrity of the legal process. In other words, if a man had been found not guilty of charges laid against him, Michael wouldn't judge him for those charges, or think badly of him at all.

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    Default Re: John Landis Controversy

    Never heard of this before. If they were aquitted then theres your answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Electro View Post
    Michael either didn't know about it (just like he didn't know any other Landis films besides "American Werewolf In London" at the time [see Making Of Thriller]), or he didn't believe it was Landis' fault. There must have been a reason that Landis did not receive any punishment.
    I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson knew about it. The Twilight Zone Tragedy is one of the worst accidents in film history. John Landis is the type of guy that would risk everything for the sake of entretenaiment. It's insane how he got away with it.

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    I've learned about it a couple of years ago and I instantly lost all the respect for Landis.
    The video of the accident is also online and nobody is bothered to remove it, not even Landis.
    Anyway, maybe Michael didn't know about it when he was going to shoot the Thriller video, but 8 years later he made the Black Or White video again with Landis and he had all the time to learn about that tragedy.
    That's quite disappointing.

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    Default Re: John Landis Controversy

    This discussion seems to be on par with discussing how Michael worked with R. Kelly.

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    To be honest, it seems like the accident itself has little to do with John Landis. Sure the children should not have been on set, but the accident itself was because of a mistimed pyrotechnic. Surely it was whoever was in charge of triggering that is to blame? Or am I missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snek View Post
    To be honest, it seems like the accident itself has little to do with John Landis. Sure the children should not have been on set, but the accident itself was because of a mistimed pyrotechnic. Surely it was whoever was in charge of triggering that is to blame? Or am I missing something?
    Yeah, I feel like I must be missing some info because right now I don't really see how it was his fault.

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    I just saw the video. i'm in tears. bless their souls.



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    I doubt Michael didn't know about it. he was one of those people who read the news etc. i'm glad michael was still alive after he made thriller only god knows what could of happen. sad.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    i'm glad michael was still alive after he made thriller only god knows what could of happen. sad.
    It's not like John Landis was a serial killer. Regardless if he could be blamed in any way for the incident, I'm sure he learnt from it for his entire life.

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    Why the need to place blame?

    I am very sure John Landis had nothing to do with this. - And no doubt he was devastated - like every person on earth would be.

    But should this ruin his life? Stop his carrier? - not in my opinion. - Accident can happen - like Pepsi accident. That's life.
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    He needs to be in jail for not helping release thriller 4k by now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderouzmj View Post
    He needs to be in jail for not helping release thriller 4k by now!
    - well, that's a good one.

    But other than that - I don't think he is to be blamed for any accident that happens while making one of his movies... - That's not his fault at all.

    The production company must have the responsibility - if a director wants a specific scene, it is up to the prodution company to see if it is possible, maybe hire stuntmen etc. or say it's not possible.
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