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    I love me some phine R&B songs and every decade from the 1940s to the 1980s has its delights, but to me the arrival of new jack swing around 1988/89 saw an inevitable decline in which the genre has not recovered from.

    From Louis Jordan in the 40s through to Michael Jackson and Prince in 80s, R&B was great music, all the legends like Little Richard, Ray Charles, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye, Temptations, Jackson 5, Motown sound, funk, soul, disco funk, deep funk, 80s soul and dance - it is music that crossed over and defined a generation.

    Then came Bobby Brown and Keith Sweat type acts, followed by the open shirt, sex you down type songs of that 1990 - 1995 period. Yes these guys could sing (Jojo etc) but all the songs were about sex. Take Freak Me by Silk, Gladys Knight when viral over the lines about licking you up and down and covering you in whipped cream.

    Then you have virtually everything by Jodeci, H Town, R Kelly - okay they can sing, but its all about sexing people down, you have open shirts and gyrating and moaning in the songs and video hoes and rappers make their appearance and the line between R&B and Rap gets blurred. The only difference was none of these acts were calling women bitches and hoes until the late 90s (Various members of Jodeci were called out for referring to their female fans as hoes and bitches, but they were still ladiez in the songs). Some acts from the era were better like our man Michael, Prince (Sex R and B king, but there was something more dignified and professional about his sex jams, still 1994's Come is very crude) and of course Mint Condition and even Blackstreet, who could really sing and kept their jams above the waist line. In 1992/93 groups like Silk and Shai take over the charts with sex jam after sex jam. Even in late 1991 there was some song with the lyrics (Lets get naked and do what we wanna do, lets get naked and some rapper singing, baby kicking butt and baby doing shit, yo mfer sing this shit)

    I think the songs got more blatant as time wore on, by 1996 you had Ginuwine gyrating half naked in a redneck bar singing about riding his pony (Penis, basically) and moaning while 4 or 5 leering young stud like men strode around the floor doing hand signals towards their u know whats. I cringed watching this stuff, knowing it did nothing to dispel the myth that Black men are oversexed. R Kelly sainging about Bumping and grinding pashing a girl whilst checking out another and then Missy Elliot it was basically just sex rap with her ooh aahh suck it to me with her full lips imitating the most lewd forms of sexual interaction. More emphasis on seduction than singing, one dude is singing the others are all moaning and going ooh aah!

    I know this sounds puritanical, but R and B never recovered from this rubbish and now its more guest rappers and sex acts like Nicki Minaj and Megan da Stallion or whatever her name is. Each new artist is more depraved than the last, I though Minaj was the limit and then comes Cardi B with her songs about Washpopping and her Wet Ass P****. You know something is up when every word is bleeped out and its recalled and recorded as Wet and Gushy.

    To me if its 1987 or earlier, I will listen to it. If its later I need to check the artist and the song and if its after 2000 - forget it.

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    Default Re: When did R & B go downhill in your opinion

    No one has an opinion about this?

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    Default Re: When did R & B go downhill in your opinion

    While in the 90's there was alot of r and b groups not all of them was bad. some did had a few songs about sexual intercourse but not all of them. i say it went downhill somewhere in the mid 2000's. i'm not racist but more different artists was non black were doing r and b. it's still like that today. alot has been complaining about it. like one user said before r and b was call race music because it was black people singing it.

    i love new jack swing.



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    Default Re: When did R & B go downhill in your opinion

    One of my favorite RnB groups was All-4-One and their music wasn't all about sex. I mean, their biggest hit, "I Swear" (I know it was a cover) is so beautiful.

    I really feel like that the best RnB groups from that time were very underrated (3T for example).

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    Good points, but All 4 One had a sex joint called "I can love u like that" its sounds beautiful - but in the lyrics "All that you need" are sex in disguise. Also All 4 One were a bit cheesy and the group was misleading, it was proved the 2 white guys (One was Hispanic and the other was Jewish) did not sing, merely bop along and lipsync - yes it was the 2 brothers doing all the singing.

    3T were decent, but to most of us were a 1 hit wonder, apart from Why (Which has Uncle Mike adding big parts - why it became a moderate hit) I can't think of any other song of theirs that was a minor let alone huge hit. I live in NZ so we don't have a R&B chart, any music by a Black performer was in our standard chart which goes back to 1975 - but the Lux/Loxene hit parade goes back at least to 1952 (Yes it was a soap brand).

    A lot of sexy R&B flew under the radar here and it did quite well (I had all 3 Jodeci albums which all went Top 20 here), but our country really had a problem with gangsta rap. There was an exaggerated moral panic over Copkiller in 1992 and Snoop Doggy Dogg in 1994 (Mainly fat angry women complaining about the "Obscene" lyrix), some of these panics were racial as well, with people referring to the acts as Negro singers and rappers bringing their filthy depraved culture to our Maoris and Islanders who had impressionable minds (This was in 1992 not 1892). The singer of the Bobdobalina song complained when in early 1993 the Police searched for drugs up his butt and called it racist. One offcier allegedly said that NZ did not need their filth and garbage music here.

    In 1994 some city authorities were blaming a rise in tagging and drive by shootings in the poor south Auckland suburbs of Otara, Mangere and Glen Innes on gangster (Sic) rap songs performed by Black American rappers. This trope has carried on to today - a spate of late 2020 shootings were blamed on gang culture and various songs by so called "Trap" and "Mumble" rappers like Gucci Mane, 69 and Lil Pump (They incorrectly referred to Pump, a Hispanic as a Black artist).

    My country is very sad even last year NZME our biggest media network which controls most of our newspapers (Including the one I deliver every day) and radio stations, stopped playing Michael Jackson songs between March and October as they said they were "A family and community network, that keeps its listeners safe and will not play music performed by a suspected paedophile". They never retracted this statement, but Billie Jean and Stranger in Moscow crept back on the airwaves a few months ago.

    As for mid 2000s, all the chart R and B by that stage was rubbish, it was hard to blur the lines between it and rap. 2004 the only decent group was Outkast, the rest was stuff like Black Eyed Peas, Fergie, Beyonce (Most overrated singer of all time), Hollaback girl, Usher, ne Yo (Okay those two had some great cuts) and then 2007 which saw the rise of Rhianna and Gaga.

    Non chart R&B and legacy artists like Prince were still great though.

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