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    Default Re: was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    That is not true because in many artistic decisions Michael Jackson unwillingly did what others told him to do, for example:

    Sony Music forced him also to minimize the use of his hee's and hoo's in his new songs (on the ‘Invincible’ album), and as a result the singer used very few of them on that album.
    can i get a source for that claim? never heard that before

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    Default Re: was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Quote Originally Posted by rolerprod View Post
    can i get a source for that claim? never heard that before
    This topic was covered extensively at that time in various news reports and certain fanzines.

    Sony Music instructed all the producers that were working with Michael Jackson on his new songs (for the ‘Invincible’ album) to update the singer in terms of vocals for the new millennium.

    Rodney Jerkins strongly hinted that he and his team of producers (LaShawn Daniels, Fred Jerkins III, etc) were given orders by Sony Music for that.

    So, they had to teach him to use some new, modern slang words in his new songs (like, “banging” in ‘You Rock My World’, “shorty” in ‘2000 Watts’, etc), while making him abandon some of his old, rehashed vocal trademarks (such as, his hee hee's, hoo's and ahh's).

    Part of the reason for those orders was also the fact that the record company wanted to make Michael Jackson appeal easier to younger listeners (because such new, modern slang words were very familiar to younger listeners at the time), which would also translate into more sales of his new album.

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    Default Re: was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    There’s several “Hoo” and before the vocals come in MJ does his trademark breaths in You Rock.

    There are several instances of Michael’s trademark sounds all over Invincible. The idea he was forced to “abandon” them and not use them on the album is bullshit. Listen to the record.

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    Default Re: was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Quote Originally Posted by dam2040 View Post
    There’s several “Hoo” and before the vocals come in MJ does his trademark breaths in You Rock.

    There are several instances of Michael’s trademark sounds all over Invincible. The idea he was forced to “abandon” them and not use them on the album is bullshit. Listen to the record.
    If i recall correctly that was Rodney Jerkins idea not Sony. He said that in an interview that I can't remember at the moment. When I think about it, I can't remember if MJ ever used the Hee-Hees on Invincible. Did he do that?

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    Default Re: was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    If i recall correctly that was Rodney Jerkins idea not Sony. He said that in an interview that I can't remember at the moment. When I think about it, I can't remember if MJ ever used the Hee-Hees on Invincible. Did he do that?
    Yeah he did

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    Default Re: was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Quote Originally Posted by dam2040 View Post
    Yeah he did
    On what song/songs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    On what song/songs?
    Off the top of my head: one at the very end of "Unbreakable", a few times near the end of "Invincible", one near the bridge I believe of "You Rock My World", a few times on "Privacy", a couple "hoo"s on "Threatened". He definitely still did these little ad-libs, but I do agree with mj-frenzy a tiny bit in that they were used less. But I don't think this was an intentional choice -- Invincible was sort of new ground for MJ's career, and he was breaking into new genres and styles. So I think that the reason he didn't use his "hee-hee"s and whatnot very often on Invincible was because that album went in a different direction than his other records.
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    Default Re: Was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Well,
    I listened to the Invinicble just right now and putted everything down.. Here is a complete hee hees, huu huus, Aus and Hous on the record and even on the uncutted versions of the songs... To me, it is just not enough for Michaels standarts....

    invincible-hee-hee

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    Default Re: Was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Quote Originally Posted by lubyss View Post
    Well,
    I listened to the Invinicble just right now and putted everything down.. Here is a complete hee hees, huu huus, Aus and Hous on the record and even on the uncutted versions of the songs... To me, it is just not enough for Michaels standarts....

    invincible-hee-hee
    Dang so that's only 4 hee hees, 12.5 huu huus, 5 Aus, and 15 Hous on all eleven tracks
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    Default Re: Was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Yes but my point was - some in this thread have said Sony made MJ stop and not use them.

    If that’s the case why are they still all over the album?

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    Default Re: Was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Quote Originally Posted by dam2040 View Post
    Yes but my point was - some in this thread have said Sony made MJ stop and not use them.

    If that’s the case why are they still all over the album?
    To be fair MJ frenzy said that they made him minimize the trademark stuff which he indeed did just looking at that list. I think the truth may lie somewhere in between. I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case at all. It was a new decade and MJ always liked to reinvent himself.
    Last edited by Themidwestcowboy; 04-05-2021 at 05:30 PM.

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    Default Re: Was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Quote Originally Posted by dam2040 View Post
    Yes but my point was - some in this thread have said Sony made MJ stop and not use them.

    If that’s the case why are they still all over the album?
    Maybe they tried but couldn't fully stop him. I don't think they would ask them removed after recording.

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    Default Re: Was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Galactus123 View Post
    Maybe they tried but couldn't fully stop him. I don't think they would ask them removed after recording.
    Actually this is very possible... Just take the album version of Privacy and the uncutted acapella... There is a huge difference and the song with all the unreleased adlibs and his trademark hoo hooos would be much more appriciated in comunity...

    And that it is only one song we have acces to the uncutted version... I can just imagine other songs... Maybe the first 3 smash songs looked a whole different...
    Sorry but use only one Au in smash song like Heartbreaker is just pure crime.... but indeed, still it is my second favourite album of MJ...

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    Default Re: Was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    Maybe Michael was afraid that he was becoming a parody of himself, so that's the reason why he cut down on his trademark adlibs on Invincible?

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    Default Re: Was American Bandstand 2002 the last time we saw MJ with curls (until TII)?

    BUT - then again, many of the outtakes we've later heard have his trademarks all over - and they are amazing songs.

    Many ended up on Xscape
    https://www.youtube.com/user/Ahess/videos - me dancing MJ - many years ago. :)

    I would be really glad if you rated or/and commented the videos. Thanks

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