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    Default Re: Artistic decisions in Michael Jackson’s career that can be considered wrong or bad

    I completely forgot about the Moonwalk excerpt! That’s fair enough, but I still think he could’ve at least performed on SNL once or twice. Not that he needed to, but it would’ve been a nice add-on to his career.

    Also, I don’t quite understand OP’s negativity towards the “Remember the Time” video concept. That’s sorta like saying that the “Jam” video shouldn’t have featured Michael Jordan since the lyrics never reference basketball. (I also can’t help but laugh that the lyrical mismatch is considered implausible, and not the part where Michael turns into sand lol.)

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    Default Re: Artistic decisions in Michael Jackson’s career that can be considered wrong or bad

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    I completely forgot about the Moonwalk excerpt! That’s fair enough, but I still think he could’ve at least performed on SNL once or twice. Not that he needed to, but it would’ve been a nice add-on to his career.

    Also, I don’t quite understand OP’s negativity towards the “Remember the Time” video concept. That’s sorta like saying that the “Jam” video shouldn’t have featured Michael Jordan since the lyrics never reference basketball. (I also can’t help but laugh that the lyrical mismatch is considered implausible, and not the part where Michael turns into sand lol.)
    Hahaha I couldn't stop laughing at the sand comment mate

    A lot of the points are subjective, for instance I love the RTT videos it's one of my favourite short films, the fact that it's ancient Egypt and it has an all black cast is beautifully subtle as well

    I do agree Liberian Girl should have had a better music video, I get a kick out of it but the fact they spend most of the song talking over it annoys me.
    Mike should have done a video on a beach somewhere, with him and a beautiful black actress and have him performing it to her as his love interest (although I imagine MJ would have been too shy for that) I believe a stronger video may have made this incredible song even more recognised by the general public

    I agree TWYMMF should have been a permanent fixture on all the tour's, especially the Dangerous Tour, the show felt incomplete without it and Bad

    WDAN goes on way to long for me to be honest. I like the song live and how it flows into Beat It but if you shaved time off that, the unnecessary long ending of Beat It and the huge ending off BOW, he could have included another song from Dangerous, like Who Is It or Give In To Me

    I'm always on the fence with Gone Too Soon, I love his delivery and the production of it but it feels out of place on Dangerous. Although I do think if you take the song off, a ballad need to replace it

    If there's one thing I wish somebody would have done was an interview with Mike about his craft. Imagine an hour interview of him just talking about his albums, his videos and the live performances.
    I know this goes against with his wish of being mysterious and of wanting not to peel back the curtain and not seeing how the magician does his trick, but whenever he spoke about his craft and work process it was fascinating. Thankfully we have a couple of depositions for that
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    Default Re: Artistic decisions in Michael Jackson’s career that can be considered wrong or bad

    He should have performed Man in the Mirror on HIStory Tour. The band rehearsed it:
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    Something I'll never understand was Michael's decision to include 'Come Together' instead of 'On the Line' on the HIStory album. 'Come Together' was already featured in 'Moonwalker' and released as the B-Side of 'Remember The Time' so the inclusion on HIStory doesn't make sense to me. Of cource, 'Come Together' deserved an 'offical' release but that should've been on The Ultimate Collection and not on the HIStory album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invictum3001 View Post
    Something I'll never understand was Michael's decision to include 'Come Together' instead of 'On the Line' on the HIStory album. 'Come Together' was already featured in 'Moonwalker' and released as the B-Side of 'Remember The Time' so the inclusion on HIStory doesn't make sense to me. Of cource, 'Come Together' deserved an 'offical' release but that should've been on The Ultimate Collection and not on the HIStory album.
    I mean I for one really liked it being there. It was a nice little surprise, a throwback. But I understand why people would say it's out of place -- especially on an album that claims to have all new songs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    The incessant and annoying chatter from all these famous people in the ‘Liberian Girl’ music video.

    The Ancient Egypt concept of the ‘Remember The Time’ music video that does not fit some of the song’s lyrics: for instance, he sings at one point “you and me, in Spain” but Spain did not exist yet in the Ancient Egypt period, or at another point he sings “on the phone, you and me” but phones were not invented yet in the Ancient Egypt period.
    Many music videos by all kinds of singers/bands have nothing to do with the song lyrics. Talking throughout videos is nothing unusual either. I remember first only seeing the video to Don't Lose My Number by Phil Collins. I got so used to the video that when I later heard the song by itself on the radio it sounded strange to me, like something was missing. I still know the dialogue to this day.

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    Default Re: Artistic decisions in Michael Jackson’s career that can be considered wrong or bad

    Here are some more:

    The ‘Ben’ album cover that depicts a lot of rats (the early pressings of it).

    Releasing ‘The Girl Is Mine’ as the lead single from the ‘Thriller’ album (which is one of the weakest songs from that album, melodically and lyrically).

    The inclusion of the knocking sound right before the Eddie Van Halen’s guitar solo (in the ‘Beat It’ song).

    The nearly one minute long and pointless ‘Black Or White’ spoken intro that has no connection at all with the song, and thus it sounds totally out of place.

    His HIStory Statue floating down the Thames River (London), a move that was understandably viewed by people/media as haughty and egotistical.

    His old hits from the ‘HIStory’ album (disc one) that are not placed in chronological order.

    The exclusion of the ‘Smooth Criminal’ song from the disc one of the ‘HIStory’ album (a song that defined his story as an artist).

    Michael Jackson uttering ‘Slash’ right before the guitar solo in the ‘Privacy’ song (Slash himself confirmed that he did not play guitar on that song).

    Quote Originally Posted by R1chard View Post
    Imagine Michael sitting on a stool, perhaps playing an instrument, with 3 or 4 other musicians sitting around. No gimmicks. No light show. No planes. No costumes. No getting out of breath.
    Apparently, he thought that such a stripped down performance would confuse people about his already established, on stage dynamic image and persona.

    But you could say that he did that to some extent: ‘Elizabeth, I Love You’ (1997), ‘You Were There’ (1989), ‘Gone Too Soon’ (1993) are for example three such performances.

    Quote Originally Posted by Invictum3001 View Post
    Something I'll never understand was Michael's decision to include 'Come Together' instead of 'On the Line' on the HIStory album.
    Michael Jackson had purchased ATV Music in 1985, and in 1995 Sony acquired a 50% stake in a combined ATV and Sony Music Publishing joint venture.

    So, for symbolic reasons, he decided to include his cover version of the ‘Come Together’ song in the album’s second disc and specifically in the middle of that track list in order to denote that joint venture.

    Besides, the mellifluous ‘On The Line’ song could not have fitted the aggressive and angry overall tone of the ‘HIStory’ album (hence its exclusion from the second disc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Here are some more:

    Releasing ‘The Girl Is Mine’ as the lead single from the ‘Thriller’ album (which is one of the weakest songs from that album, melodically and lyrically).
    actually this was a very smart commercial decision to release the weakest song as a first single where theres a lot of hype built up already so the song is sure to be a commercial hit plus the fact it had a huge feature(at the time) on it and wait with the big singles for later.
    im not sure how the singles from thriller performed at the charts but ill take a guess and say they all went number 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    I dunno if I’d call it “wrong” or “bad,” but I wish Michael did an MTV Unplugged performance. Imagine a 30-minute acoustic set, in an intimate venue with a smaller crowd. I would’ve loved that.

    Also, why did he never host (or perform on) SNL? Seems like that would be a great opportunity to show his comedy chops.

    how i wish he was on snl that wouldve been a killer

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    – The cameo in Men In Black II;
    – The cameo in Miss Cast Away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piek View Post
    – The cameo in Men In Black II;
    – The cameo in Miss Cast Away.
    I thought those were funny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piek View Post
    – The cameo in Men In Black II;
    – The cameo in Miss Cast Away.
    the mib cameo was hilarious what????
    "i could be agent M!!" ahahaha

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    I thought those were funny
    They made me cringe. I was embarrassed for Mike, he is way above doing either of them. It made it look like he can’t act and maybe he shouldn’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smooth72 View Post
    They made me cringe. I was embarrassed for Mike, he is way above doing either of them. It made it look like he can’t act and maybe he shouldn’t.
    I mean to be fair if you're putting Michael Jackson in your movie you're not really looking for an Oscar-worthy performance. You're probably looking to put him in front of a camera and have some fun. Also it gives you clout to say you convinced MJ to have a cameo in your movie and makes for a good story
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    Default Re: Artistic decisions in Michael Jackson’s career that can be considered wrong or bad

    Not doing a jacksons medley or at least switching up the songs sometime & adding dancing machine etc. Subbed other songs/change set list..... & a video for lady in my life like she's out of my life but way better!

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