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    Default Artistic Decisions in Michael Jackson's Career That Are Questionable

    Certain artistic decisions in Michael Jackson’s career can be considered wrong or bad.

    For example:

    Not releasing an accompanying music video for his ‘Human Nature’ single.

    The fade out of the ‘Speed Demon’ song into the intro of the ‘Liberian Girl’ song.

    The incessant and annoying chatter from all these famous people in the ‘Liberian Girl’ music video.

    The inclusion of his cover version of the ‘Gone Too Soon’ song on the ‘Dangerous’ album (given that the Dangerous era was probably his most creative era, cover songs should have had no place in that album).

    The Ancient Egypt concept of the ‘Remember The Time’ music video that does not fit some of the song’s lyrics: for instance, he sings at one point “you and me, in Spain” but Spain did not exist yet in the Ancient Egypt period, or at another point he sings “on the phone, you and me” but phones were not invented yet in the Ancient Egypt period.

    The ‘Working Day And Night’ performance that drags on unnecessarily and thus becoming after a certain point very repetitive and monotonous (in the BAD Tour and in the Dangerous Tour).

    During his solo tours, performing the ‘Jackson 5 Medley’ (‘I Want You Back’, ‘The Love You Save’, and ‘I'll Be There’) with members of his back up band that were not his brothers.

    The inclusion of overly long symphonic musical segments in the beginning of certain of his songs (such as, ‘Will You Be There’, ‘Little Susie’).

    The removal of ‘The Way You Make Me Feel’ performance from many of the Dangerous Tour and History Tour concerts (a performance that had a strong, visual on stage concept and decent choreography that the audience seemed to like).

    At the end of each HIStory Tour concert, leaving the stage in a very simple and ordinary way (by just walking off the stage).

    Discuss.

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    Default Re: Artistic decisions in Michael Jackson’s career that can be considered wrong or bad

    Not releasing a 1988 HQ Bad tour show back in the day.

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    Default Re: Artistic decisions in Michael Jackson’s career that can be considered wrong or bad

    I dunno if I’d call it “wrong” or “bad,” but I wish Michael did an MTV Unplugged performance. Imagine a 30-minute acoustic set, in an intimate venue with a smaller crowd. I would’ve loved that.

    Also, why did he never host (or perform on) SNL? Seems like that would be a great opportunity to show his comedy chops.

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    Default Re: Artistic decisions in Michael Jackson’s career that can be considered wrong or bad

    Invincible is great, but it could’ve seriously benefitted if he had finished Hollywood Tonight and Xscape and they were on the album in place of tracks like Invincible and Cry. Also, the cover art was poor compared to his previous albums. Call the album Unbreakable, replace a few songs and improve the cover art and it would have been received much better imo. It may not have affected the fallout between him and Tommy Mottola that would later happen, but still.
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    Default Re: Artistic decisions in Michael Jackson’s career that can be considered wrong or bad

    Artistic decisions? Hmm, I think he should have taken more risks. I mean, he always did the same thing basically. Tour set lists and such for example. He pretty much stuck to the same theme with his albums. He had a few dance tracks, a couple kinda edgy rock type songs, something to do with the world or saving the planet and always had to have a rapper in the later songs. He would also have the same type of ballads. I wish he would have stepped outside the box when he got older. This is not a knock at all. So think his confidence suffered in his later years, tended to play it safe.

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    tour setlists...though that did help solidify his hits and make them more iconic drillin them with their choreography into the publics mind but songs that didnt have extensive choregraphy like WBSS and jam should have been swaped for other songs every once in a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    The fade out of the ‘Speed Demon’ song into the intro of the ‘Liberian Girl’ song.
    I liked that. It works well when listening the whole album.

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    Wow, I've been a Michael Jackson fan my whole life and today I find out that Gone Too Soon was a cover!!

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    Listening to Michael Prince on the MJCast was so interesting and a great insight.

    Think it basically told us why there was never an MJ Unplugged or similar - he wanted it as close to the CD version as humanly possible or (apparently in his words) the audience was 'sonically cheated'. Interesting take, for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dam2040 View Post
    Listening to Michael Prince on the MJCast was so interesting and a great insight.

    Think it basically told us why there was never an MJ Unplugged or similar - he wanted it as close to the CD version as humanly possible or (apparently in his words) the audience was 'sonically cheated'. Interesting take, for sure.
    That was probably one of the reasons he lip-synced on HIStory Tour. I think he wasn't satisfied with his live singing at the time

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    In general I think an amazing choice for Michael would've been to include "We've Had Enough" instead of "Cry" on the Invincible album. "We've Had Enough" has a much stronger message and in my mind has way more punch to its instrumentals. Especially in the wake of the September 11th attacks in the U.S., "We've Had Enough" would've been a much more timely and well-heard message than "Cry". "Cry" has the feel of "You Are Not Alone" when the moment really called for another "Earth Song". I think that had MJ released "We've Had Enough" on Invincible it would've become a #1 hit in many countries. Obviously if he had included "We've Had Enough" he would have to either change the ending of or swap out "Privacy" (since that song takes its outro directly from "We've Had Enough").

    Quote Originally Posted by Smooth72 View Post
    Artistic decisions? Hmm, I think he should have taken more risks. I mean, he always did the same thing basically. Tour set lists and such for example. He pretty much stuck to the same theme with his albums. He had a few dance tracks, a couple kinda edgy rock type songs, something to do with the world or saving the planet and always had to have a rapper in the later songs. He would also have the same type of ballads. I wish he would have stepped outside the box when he got older. This is not a knock at all. So think his confidence suffered in his later years, tended to play it safe.
    This. He experimented with rap on his own obviously, and while his skills in it might not have been strong enough to take up a whole track, I think rap interludes on his edgier rock tracks would've been more than passable. Hell, a "Black or White" or "Shout"-style rap verse on "We've Had Enough" would've been perfect
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    I dunno if I’d call it “wrong” or “bad,” but I wish Michael did an MTV Unplugged performance. Imagine a 30-minute acoustic set, in an intimate venue with a smaller crowd. I would’ve loved that.

    Also, why did he never host (or perform on) SNL? Seems like that would be a great opportunity to show his comedy chops.
    There’s actually an answer for why he didn’t host SNL or some show like that. This is lifted from Moonwalk:
    “I’m not a comedian. I'm not a show host.
    I'm a musician. That's why I've turned down offers to host the Grammy Awards and the American Music Awards. Is it really entertaining for me to get up there and crack a few weak jokes and force people to laugh because I'm Michael Jackson, when I know in my heart that I'm not funny?”

    Personally, I feel like he was too hard on himself but that’s what he thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson112 View Post
    There’s actually an answer for why he didn’t host SNL or some show like that. This is lifted from Moonwalk:
    “I’m not a comedian. I'm not a show host.
    I'm a musician. That's why I've turned down offers to host the Grammy Awards and the American Music Awards. Is it really entertaining for me to get up there and crack a few weak jokes and force people to laugh because I'm Michael Jackson, when I know in my heart that I'm not funny?”

    Personally, I feel like he was too hard on himself but that’s what he thought.
    He was friends with Eddie Murphy and Chris Tucker, like did he think that he couldn't have asked them to write a few bits for him?
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    Big ones for me are not fully embracing surround sound. Considering B/W was one of the first videos in Dolby Surround, and that Thriller came out on SACD, it's a shame there was never a full album in 5.1

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Not releasing an accompanying music video for his ‘Human Nature’ single.chops.
    I'm not sure this is much of a big deal. Videos weren't that important back then. Plus you normally didn't have so many singles.

    Michael did make a lot of mistakes, but I don't want to judge him based on hindsight or modern values.

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    The fade out of the ‘Speed Demon’ song into the intro of the ‘Liberian Girl’ song.
    I've heard some versions of the album that don't have this.

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    The inclusion of his cover version of the ‘Gone Too Soon’ song on the ‘Dangerous’ album
    I love this song! I actually think it should have replaced the overacted Out Of My Life on the setlist.

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    The Ancient Egypt concept of the ‘Remember The Time’ music video that does not fit some of the song’s lyrics:
    Well, I agree about phone etc, but you can't always be too literal. It's one of the better Dangerous videos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hulkamaniac View Post
    Not releasing a 1988 HQ Bad tour show back in the day.
    Yes, this. Should have had a video from each tour. Have you seen how many live albums Pearl Jam have? Or Queen? They have about 3 old live albums in the UK video chart as I type this.

    Let's be clear, the reason Wembley looks so bad is squarely because MJ didn't want to release it for so long, so the analog master rotted away. Should have put it out before moving on to Dangerous.

    Imagine if there was a Blu-ray for every tour, and one of the extras is a documentary just like TII.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    I dunno if I’d call it “wrong” or “bad,” but I wish Michael did an MTV Unplugged performance. Imagine a 30-minute acoustic set, in an intimate venue with a smaller crowd. I would’ve loved that.
    Definitely. I would have loved that. I've been saying for ages that sometimes I would have preferred that to a dance show. Firstly you'd be close enough actually to see him!

    Imagine Michael sitting on a stool, perhaps playing an instrument, with 3 or 4 other musicians sitting around. No gimmicks. No light show. No planes. No costumes. No getting out of breath.

    Considering Nirvana are known for high-energy music, their honest and calm Unplugged is cited by many as the greatest live performance of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson112 View Post
    There’s actually an answer for why he didn’t host SNL or some show like that. This is lifted from Moonwalk:
    “I’m not a comedian. I'm not a show host.
    I'm a musician. That's why I've turned down offers to host the Grammy Awards and the American Music Awards. Is it really entertaining for me to get up there and crack a few weak jokes and force people to laugh because I'm Michael Jackson, when I know in my heart that I'm not funny?”

    Personally, I feel like he was too hard on himself but that’s what he thought.
    Personally I do agree with Michael's take here. I mean, I think he was a funny guy in his own way, but not the type of person to be a show host. In fact, 90% of the times when celebrities do this it's painfully cringeworthy to watch.

    Moreover, MJ was an old school entertainer. In the Schmuley book he talked extensively about the importance of mystery. While I think he did take that concept too far - to his own detriment - I appreciate that he did not turn up for just anything, and that he did not give interviews non-stop. It made the few appearances he did make feel far more special.

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