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    Mariah has had more sales. that's how i define a career. making a living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vncwilliam View Post
    Mariah has had more sales. that's how i define a career. making a living.
    That doesn't mean anything. B.B. King has been performing since the 1940s, and very few of his albums has ever sold much, but still is a millionaire. TLC, Toni Braxton, & MC Hammer sold millions of records and were broke. Most jazz and blues acts never went platinum but still performed for decades. Most musicians make money from touring and performing, not from record sales, in which the record companies take all of the money and rip off the acts. Look at the Rolling Stones, who hasn't had a really big selling album since the 1970s, but is one of the more successful touring acts today. Managers have also known to rip off artists, like what happened with Sting and Billy Joel. Other than pop & rock acts, most genres of music don't sell lots of copies and don't get any mainstream recognition.

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    I don't know why anyone would bother to compare them, to be honest. Too different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    That doesn't mean anything. B.B. King has been performing since the 1940s, and very few of his albums has ever sold much, but still is a millionaire. TLC, Toni Braxton, & MC Hammer sold millions of records and were broke. Most jazz and blues acts never went platinum but still performed for decades. Most musicians make money from touring and performing, not from record sales, in which the record companies take all of the money and rip off the acts. Look at the Rolling Stones, who hasn't had a really big selling album since the 1970s, but is one of the more successful touring acts today. Managers have also known to rip off artists, like what happened with Sting and Billy Joel. Other than pop & rock acts, most genres of music don't sell lots of copies and don't get any mainstream recognition.
    it means a lot. because like i said..the part that you didn't want to bold, is, that it means making a living.

    Mariah is now in the position of power, where she can have brands advertise her. and she sold for all aspects of her career, not just one or some. the best career is the one where the person makes the best living. the most money. Mariah has done that, between the two artists, that are the subject of this thread.
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    ^^^^The Rolling Stones make more money than Mariah and they don't have to sell a lot of records, so they are making a better living going by your criteria. The point is that record sales have nothing to do with making a living, especially if someone has a bad contract. Sales mostly benefit the record company. Anyway Mary has brands advertising her because I see her in commercials all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    ^^^^The Rolling Stones make more money than Mariah and they don't have to sell a lot of records, so they are making a better living going by your criteria. The point is that record sales have nothing to do with making a living, especially if someone has a bad contract. Sales mostly benefit the record company. Anyway Mary has brands advertising her because I see her in commercials all the time.
    well..i was talking about between Mariah and Mary, and Mariah did have better record sales. and the Stones sold enough records for it not to matter. i don't know why people love to downplay record sales. it really must be because it's a most poignant statement about one's talent. you are left with the music, alone. sales have a lot to do with making a living. why do it, if they have nothing to do with it. and for those who have bad contracts, if the music is powerful enough, that won't matter, unless the artist is making nothing at all. and in that case, the music is bad. and if the contract is not allowing the artist to make a blip, then, that aritist would get out of that contract. and none of this has anything to do with Mariah and Mary. they aren't in bad contracts.
    In Love of Money Land(Branca,sony,mainstream media), it's always a pride and snowy day.

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    https://t.co/dm3MFQdbzd

    http://imgur.com/a/gdU5v It doesn't just... go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vncwilliam View Post
    well..i was talking about between Mariah and Mary, and Mariah did have better record sales. and the Stones sold enough records for it not to matter. i don't know why people love to downplay record sales. it really must be because it's a most poignant statement about one's talent. you are left with the music, alone. sales have a lot to do with making a living. why do it, if they have nothing to do with it. and for those who have bad contracts, if the music is powerful enough, that won't matter, unless the artist is making nothing at all. and in that case, the music is bad. and if the contract is not allowing the artist to make a blip, then, that aritist would get out of that contract. and none of this has anything to do with Mariah and Mary. they aren't in bad contracts.
    Sales have nothing to do with quality, only the promotional department of a company. Invincible & HIStory didn't sell much in the US because Sony USA didn't spend any money to promote them. So I guess you're saying that since Miley Cyrus sell more records than Miles Davis or Dolly Parton (or even Mariah's & Mary J.'s newer albums), her music is superior to theirs and Miles & Dolly's music is bad. I recall Mariah was paid to leave a record company because her records stopped selling. Was her records bad? You just can't get out of a contract, that's why MJ & George Michael were fighting Sony and Prince was fighting Warner Brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    Sales have nothing to do with quality, only the promotional department of a company. Invincible & HIStory didn't sell much in the US because Sony USA didn't spend any money to promote them. So I guess you're saying that since Miley Cyrus sell more records than Miles Davis or Dolly Parton (or even Mariah's & Mary J.'s newer albums), her music is superior to theirs and Miles & Dolly's music is bad. I recall Mariah was paid to leave a record company because her records stopped selling. Was her records bad? You just can't get out of a contract, that's why MJ & George Michael were fighting Sony and Prince was fighting Warner Brothers.
    Invincible did well. HIStory did well. i don't know what your definition of 'well' is, but i would love to sell what those albums sold. and there always is a way to get out of a contract. Prince sold his stuff online. and Michael found a clever way of getting out of a contract, without dishonoring it. he simply stopped writing music for them, after a certain time. and, even before that time, he used stuff he wrote lonng ago. record sales have a lot to do with a career. according to your logic, why even bother making a record? and are you saying that Invincible and History were of low quality? Michael, alone, proved, that, if anything..lack of promotion...trying to destroy someone, and just about anything else, doesn't stop good music from selling. MJ sold stuff, despite everything leveled against him. and he sold well. you are underestimating the intelligence of the consumer. in the end, they buy the music.

    there was a song dedicated to 911, by Julio Iglesias. it went straight to number 1, on the radio. never sold a copy. so, in the end, promotion means nothing. but it should be done, anyway. what's wrong with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vncwilliam View Post
    Prince sold his stuff online.
    He only did that after he finished his contract with Warner Brothers. Prince gave Warners a bunch of already recorded material he had in his vault and they made some albums from them: "Come", "Old Friends 4 Sale", "The Gold Experience", & "Chaos and Disorder". Warners had also put out the unreleased album from 1988 called "The Black Album" in 1994. Prince still had to fufill his contract. This is why he changed his name to the symbol and started writing "Slave" on his face. A contract is a legally binding document. You can't just break it, the record company can sue you. Peter Tork of The Monkees and Terence Trent D'arby had to buy out their contracts, which left them broke. Tori Amos wanted to leave Atlantic Records, but they wouldn't let her out of her contract and wouldn't promote or refuse to release material she returned to them. The artist has no power, the company does. The artist is just an employee. Invincble & HIStory didn't sell much in the US, only overseas. If you notice Michael never toured the USA after the Bad tour. Why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    He only did that after he finished his contract with Warner Brothers. Prince gave Warners a bunch of already recorded material he had in his vault and they made some albums from them: "Come", "Old Friends 4 Sale", "The Gold Experience", & "Chaos and Disorder". Warners had also put out the unreleased album from 1988 called "The Black Album" in 1994. Prince still had to fufill his contract. This is why he changed his name to the symbol and started writing "Slave" on his face. A contract is a legally binding document. You can't just break it, the record company can sue you. Peter Tork of The Monkees and Terence Trent D'arby had to buy out their contracts, which left them broke. Tori Amos wanted to leave Atlantic Records, but they wouldn't let her out of her contract and wouldn't promote or refuse to release material she returned to them. The artist has no power, the company does. The artist is just an employee. Invincble & HIStory didn't sell much in the US, only overseas. If you notice Michael never toured the USA after the Bad tour. Why is that?
    are you saying the usa is the only country in the world? and, still, are you saying that between four and ten million copies is a failure? Michael did well in the usa. but, again, Michael did well around the world. using the usa, alone, is convenient, but not relevant. having said that, even two million in the usa, alone, is very good. and Michael did more than that. but, in the beginning, he did that. and that is good.

    Michael used ingenuity, and therefore, had power. like i said...you can break a contract, without breaking a contract. Sony had to rerelease MJ's old material countless times, because MJ made new material very very sparse. that's a cool way to break a contract, without leaving a contract. and nothing that Sony tried, made MJ broke. if an artist has enough ingenuity, they can find ways to get out of a contract. you have power, unless you believe you don't.

    perhaps those other artists, such as D'Arby, should have gone into publishing, like Michael. again...ceasing to write songs, is a clever way to not work for someone, anymore. whatever Warner did, with Prince, if anything, it made them want to release stuff from him, that they probably, otherwise would not have released. and, he could just sit back and do nothing. and then start over, when he got out of the contract, officially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vncwilliam View Post
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