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    Default Billie Jean Inspiration-Rip-Off???

    I heard many say Michael ripped-off this beat and used it in Billie Jean. True???

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwarCieO1dc

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    Default Re: Billie Jean Inspiration-Rip-Off???

    That's bullshit!

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    Default Re: Billie Jean Inspiration-Rip-Off???

    Its NOT The same beat

    Its closer to the rythm of the base but
    there are only so many counts beats and rythms
    It's how you put them all together in a composistion
    that makes a MATERPIECE
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    Default Re: Billie Jean Inspiration-Rip-Off???

    Lots of songs have the same beat. There's only so many drum patterns. Caribbean Queen by Billy Ocean and Night Rider from Midnight Star has the same pattern which is a very simple beat. But "I Can't Go For That" is done with a drum machine, and the other songs are live drums.

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    Billie Jean's drumming is one of the most basic of all - the genius of it lies in Bruce Swedien's recording and mixing of the drum track.

    it's one of the most instantly recognisable tunes because Swedien made something so basic and generic sound so unique.

    he talks about it at length on a musicians forum:

    http://acapella.harmony-central.com/....php?t=1494818


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    Default Re: Billie Jean Inspiration-Rip-Off???

    of course somebody is going to say that because of how great and successful a songwriter MJ is, with that song.

    as far as Swedien goes..i heard a discussion on Samm Brown's for the record and a respected engineer said that an engineer's work is only as good as the song he or she is engineering. i can only imagine what Swedien heard when Michael first opened his mouth and introduced the song to Sweidien(probably having sp troubles but too lazy at the mo)

    anyway, that hall and oates song sounds nothing like billie jean.

    sometimes an artist can take the same notes and come up with something entirely different from what somebody else did with the same notes. as a poster above mentioned..it's not the notes..it's what you do with the notes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vncwilliam View Post
    as far as Swedien goes..i heard a discussion on Samm Brown's for the record and a respected engineer said that an engineer's work is only as good as the song he or she is engineering.
    if you're trying to downplay Swedien's importance in creating Billie Jean, then you're failing.

    there's no comparison or competition between engineer/songwriter/etc. etc. - each role has its individualistic input and merit.

    as for Swedien's thoughts on the song:
    Billie Jean is such a superb song!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by arXter View Post
    if you're trying to downplay Swedien's importance in creating Billie Jean, then you're failing.

    there's no comparison or competition between engineer/songwriter/etc. etc. - each role has its individualistic input and merit.

    as for Swedien's thoughts on the song:
    Billie Jean is such a superb song!"

    uhm...i am not downplaying anything.

    i am just stating where it starts. david foster and quincy jones agreed. they said three times..'the song, the song, the song.'.

    i know the importance of an engineer..and i also know that people will do anything to spend less money on one by trying to be one themselves. and they fail miserably. i know as much as anyone that people who specialize in something should be regarded as much as people who call them selves jack of all trades...maybe moreso because of how people..for instance say a baseball player who only hits for a living but doesn't play the field is considered a lesser person than one who does both..but David Ortiz is probably one of the greatest DH's of all time(for those who know baseball)

    so i am well aware of quality talent and how much it should be regarded as opposed to the quantity of talents one has. which is why i hate MJ and Prince comparisons..

    i am glad that Bruce said what he said...but..it was just as easy for me to get the impression that you were leaving Michael out, as it was for you to get the impression that i was leaving Bruce out. only with your second post did you clear that up.
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    ^ actually, my second post was a response to your "as for Swedien" response. why the **** would i leave Mike out LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by arXter View Post
    ^ actually, my second post was a response to your "as for Swedien" response. why the **** would i leave Mike out LOL

    where did i downplay Bruce? i did not. so i don't know what you were responding to. i simply mentioned the importance of the song. that is ALL i said.
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    Umm that song took me straight to my childhood, but not because of Billie Jean.. It reminded of THIS::


    Starts at: 4:36
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eh03OwoGL_w


    anyone hear the simularities??


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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothcriminal12 View Post
    I heard many say Michael ripped-off this beat and used it in Billie Jean. True???

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwarCieO1dc
    That and Patrice Rushen's "Forget Me Nots" have funky grooves like "Billie Jean". I could care less, I love this f*cking song!
    Last edited by troubleman84; 17-07-2008 at 01:20 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    Lots of songs have the same beat. There's only so many drum patterns. Caribbean Queen by Billy Ocean and Night Rider from Midnight Star has the same pattern which is a very simple beat. But "I Can't Go For That" is done with a drum machine, and the other songs are live drums.
    Exactly. But I heard so many songs (MJ included) using the same drum pattern with, as you said, with live drums. The bass lines were also emulated but not ripped off, I don't think. The thing that makes something like "Billie Jean" stand out is the fact that it incorporated strings into the thing (and MJ's background vocals, itself inspired by Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder).

    Other than that, "Billie Jean" would've been your typical kick-ass funk joint like this song is.
    Last edited by troubleman84; 17-07-2008 at 01:23 AM.


    "OK, first of all, I have this skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. It's something that I cannot help. Okay? But when people make up stories that I don't wanna be what I am, it hurts me. It's a problem for me, okay? I can't control it. But let's reverse it. What about all the millions of people who sit out in the sun to become other than what they are?" -- Michael Jackson (1993)

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    MJ did say he was inspired by Hall and Oats I can't go for that intro and that Opening Beat and Groove was a Huge staple in my Hood. no Problem is taking a piece here and there. the Groove for Billie Jean sounds like Steely Dans' "Do it again" and Quincy Jones's style of Producing was done to take bits and pieces off of past hit songs.


    thriller from the bass Groove took it's groove from Rick james's give it to me baby.

    Beat it was inspired by the Knacks My Sharona" which Q told MJ he needed that type of cut.

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    So true, Maxxx. I don't know why it would be a rip-off if it was really an inspiration. And besides some of the greatest songs in the world are created THROUGH inspiration. It amuses me that people have a fit about it or at least hearing non-fans say MJ "stole" it, lol, in which in that case it ain't true.


    "OK, first of all, I have this skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. It's something that I cannot help. Okay? But when people make up stories that I don't wanna be what I am, it hurts me. It's a problem for me, okay? I can't control it. But let's reverse it. What about all the millions of people who sit out in the sun to become other than what they are?" -- Michael Jackson (1993)

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