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    Quote Originally Posted by virgo_3079 View Post
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    So in the pic with James Brown from 2003 we can see him smiling again.

    So the timeframe was Christmas 2000-2003-so about 2 years and a couple of month he had the problem. Thanks for the help!

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    I was really worried about him back then. He just didn't look well at all. I think the lip-problem is the reason why he was hiding his face in the YRMW video. It is probably also the reason why he kept covering his mouth during the MSG shows. And I also noticed he kept bending over and leaning forward when he was singing:



    ^^^ He never did that prior to 2001.

    I think he was very paranoid about it at the time and you can't really blame him. It was definately at it's worst around 2000-2001 time which is unfortunately the time he was under contract to release and promote a new album.



    I also believe this is the reason why he only made one video from Invincible. He just wasn't even comfortable in his own skin at this time.

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    Wow....never knew about this :blink: Then again, I became a fan at the beginning of 2003...

    You say that, back then, it was very discussed and fans were worried and stuff... has Michael ever said anything about it?

    On a side note - virgo, he looks beautiful in those pictures.
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    He's never referred to it. But it effected everything he did back then, from the quality of his performances, to him not wanting any close-up shots in YRMW video... the fact that he didn't want to make music videos for Invincible... I think it was all connected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJam View Post
    He's never referred to it. But it effected everything he did back then, from the quality of his performances, to him not wanting any close-up shots in YRMW video... the fact that he didn't want to make music videos for Invincible... I think it was all connected.
    You may be right, though, if I remember well, with Invincible, Sony was the problem. I understood that Michael wanted to release certain songs and videos, but Sony didn't approve (not to mention the lack of promotion mess).
    At least, that's what I read a few years ago.

    But I think that was indeed the case with the close-ups and how he kept hiding his face at MSG.
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    I think the problems with Sony were only half the story.

    They wanted him to do a video for Butterflies but MJ refused - supposedly because of the budget. I have a feeling the budget wasn't the real reason why he didn't want to make a video though...

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    Breaks my heart.
    I noticed it too around that time, with his smile and his MSG performance.

    His smile was looking amazing again by '03 though.


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    I hate how Michael was never pleased with himself. ughh it aggravates me.

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    Oh, so there was really something with the lips.. I've always wondered what was happenning on his 30th show at the end when he never smiled and hide his face singing with his hand.. It made me sad...

    I don't know what it was, but there was really something there...
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    my heart goes out to him, he was such a beautiful man inside and out. How I wished he had truly known that .

    I find it hard to watch YRMW actually because it just doesn't look like Mike to me.
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    Yeah, 2000-2001 weren't exactly the best of times in many respects... ~sigh~ My husband and I have discussed this often. I wonder if we'll ever know what happened. Of course he never mentioned anything publicly, but it was unfortunately very obvious. It must've really sucked for him As far as his voice and singing, hmmm, I don't know about an effect. In theory there should be some, but I don't think I ever detected one. When he was talking, though, there was a difference.

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    When did Mike finished the invincible session?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy View Post
    Well, then I believe it was a side-effect caused by some kind of surgery.
    It's hard to believe he used botox as his lips were full from his childhood.
    You're thinking of collagen fillers used to give people fuller looking lips. Botox paralyses and relaxes the muscles as a temporary 'anti-aging' solution to wrinkles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redridinghood View Post
    my heart goes out to him, he was such a beautiful man inside and out. How I wished he had truly known that . ................
    Yes, I so agree, I've felt this way often!

    Sorry about being stupid, but what is YRMW? Also, what video did he do from the Invincible CD? Thanks!
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    Well, that was a hard time for him, and for most of all.

    I always thought it affected the singing...for example, YOU ARE MY LIFE, BEAUTIFUL GIRL, ONE MORE TIME, the way of singing these songs, for me, was affected by the problem. Check how his speaking was affected, by watching this video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4

    It's really sad to watch him on the MSG show, he clearly didn't want to be there, it must have been really difficult, like the times when he had pimples and didn't want to perform or be seen. But anyway, I don't think it was just the lip, his nose was not in the best shape, his eyes were incredibly big, lifeless, the hair was a mess, those were hard times.

    Ironically, he regained the smile by the trial period...leaving aside the situation, his best looks on this decade, were during the trial. He looked so confident, I never doubted him, but to watch him go inside the court house on that beautiful white suit, totally secure of himself...made just wanna kill anybody who said he wasn't innocent.
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