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    People feel pain, people are so confused ant just can't accept that he's dead. That's why they creating these hoax theories. It helps to feel better. It give hope. I believe they love Michael from the bottom of their hearts, but just sometimes it's too hard to accept such painful things.
    Only time will heal. These people just need the time.
    I feel deep pain too, my heart is broken, but I don't believe he's alive. It's so sad but it's true.


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    In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort.
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    What annoys me about these "Michael-is-alive" theories is that some believers throw their opinion onto other fans. It happened to me today on a Russian fan site... It was like this person knows the TRUTH and the rest of us silly people are blind and have no idea. I was really upset after our conversation. And I hated all those smilies in her post, like a thousand of them, so inappropriate... And she even asked me what proof I have that Michael is gone. Oh man

    For me thу biggest proof is all those lost lives of fans who killed themselves after Michael died. Michael would never ever do something like that. He's not that kind of person.

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    Remember Denial is one of the 7 stages of grief. The person who runs this site is probably just hurting really bad and maybe this is the only way for them to feel some comfort

    Or unfortunately it might also be just someone looking for attention, which they obvoiusly got.

    I remember when I saw that site for the first time, I was really interested in it I was going through some major denial and I also was just looking for something to give me hope. But I haven't visited it for months I have finally accepted. Hopefully this person will too.

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    denial...I DO understand them, I would give anything to bring HIM back, but we have to deal with REALITY...and sites like these just hurt

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    I don't believe the hoaxes but I undertand this is the only way some fans can survive.To imagine one last hope.Sad but this is the reality and everybody deals with the tragedy in his own way.Some fans just move on with their lifes, others want to continuе Michael's legacy by making tributes and loving him even more... some just want JUSTICE for Michael's death and some still can't believe we lost him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathiejmie View Post
    What annoys me about these "Michael-is-alive" theories is that some believers throw their opinion onto other fans. It happened to me today on a Russian fan site... It was like this person knows the TRUTH and the rest of us silly people are blind and have no idea. I was really upset after our conversation. And I hated all those smilies in her post, like a thousand of them, so inappropriate... And she even asked me what proof I have that Michael is gone. Oh man

    For me thу biggest proof is all those lost lives of fans who killed themselves after Michael died. Michael would never ever do something like that. He's not that kind of person.
    The bolded part is the main reason why I personally cannot believe that MJ is still alive, despite the facts not adding up here and there. I believe he was murdered because of the Sony/ATV catalog.

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    i believe in the freedom of speech. And personally if i feel something is offensive i just don't go there, don't read this boards or pages. The one who believe in the hoax don't harm the rest. so let them believe.
    "Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons. The truth will win this marathon in court."
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    If you tell a big enough lie, make it simple and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

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    I wish it was true, and I would love to believe it.. but I can't.
    We shall always love you, Michael!


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    You guys are pretty quick to say that these people are in denial. How do you know they are in denial? Have you examined their findings? Do you know for a fact that MJ is dead? How do you know that you are not the one in denial- If you judge something or someone before you know what it is, you are yourself in denial.

    People always make the same mistake over and over again. People assume they know or understand something before even taking the time to examine it.

    I did look at the evidence and I did it with an open mind. I didn't assume anything. I didn't think this could be true or this could be false. The only thing I knew was that I don't know if Michael Jackson is dead or alive. All I have seen is what the media feeds me. How can I know anything is real or not? Well, one must follow the rules of science to answer that one. And the people behind this id a very good job pointing out things that did not look right, contradictions made by people who spoke to the media. Signs and hints. Now if you isolate these things and view them one by one without an open mind, your first assumption would be that these people see these things because they can't stand the fact that MJ died.

    But that is a baseless assumption. Because when you get to see the evidence that can fool no one, you start to think and the rest falls into place. You realize that the so called signs don't seem random and not related. What evidence am I talking about?

    The fake footage of the ambulance pulling out of Michaels home to drive to the hospital. Two different videos exist of the same incident, the same ambulance backing out from MJ's house entry and driving off to the hospital. But if you examine both videos, you see they are not the same. One video is the proffesional tape released on Hollywood TV, the other one filmed from a mobilephone when the ambulance picked up Michael. The fake video is the Hollyqood TV video, because that was the first video released and the second was shot by a by stander watching it all happen. The differences in those two videos are unmistaken. You can not be fooled by it and no denial state or wishful thinking can make your mind fabricate that.

    The photo of Michael in the ambulance while doctors work on him is photoshopped. You will have to look for that evidence yourself, as I won't give anything for free here. You need to examine everything yourself and leave your pre assumptions about it or them aside while doing it. But I saw the evidence and I was convinced that the photo was fake.

    The death sertificate is also fake. How do I know? Latoya signed the death sertificate and I know that such a document must be signed by the doctor who ws with the patient for it to be legally valid. Latoyas signature makes the death sertificate invalid.

    And finally the fpurth piece of evidence that really put the icing on the cake.

    When Jennifer Hudson performed Will You Be There at the memorial, we heard Michaels final speech from the song at the end. We all assumed it was taken from the Dangerous CD but something happened. MJ misspoke one of the words. He said "In my anguish and pains"

    In the CD version Michael does not say pains, he says pain. There is no s in pain. First thought was that they used a live recording. But the only two pro live recordings that we know of is MTV 10th anniversary and Dangerous Tour Bucharest concert. He says pain in both. Well you could say that they prehaps used a different recording, but to what end. Mj said the wrong word and that could be a clue. I agree that if you look at all these things as seperate, it could mean anything. But when you have four compelling pieces of evidence that clearly shows that what we have seen is fake and you know when and how these things were made public you stop to think. Then if you look at all the other things that have been spotted and noticed, all these seamingly random things suddenly becomes a great puzzle that match perfectly. And from what?? Four pieces of evidences that is not mistaken? I don't know if MJ is alive, but I know that these four things are real and from that standpoint, everything else has to be considered and not dismissed so easily.

    I believe Michael faked his death, because all the evidence I have seen so far shows this.

    I would be in denial if I didn't take into consideration what those four pieces of evidence tells me. They show clearly that what we were lead to believe we saw was fabricated.

    And I won't call people who use this evidence and other things to find out the truth to be in denial. I can't because that means I am seeing things. And I checked. I showed the same things to many other people who are not fans and they saw the same things. So I know I am not seeing things

    You find out for yourselves but don't be so quick to judge.

    All is not what it appears to be and I think MJ might have pulled of the greatest stunt ever done by any human being ever. And why he might have done so is yet to be revealed. And if he would return nobody can say, allthough there are many clues to the fact that he will. But all this is speculation.

    As I said, there are only four compelling evidences the rest are only clues.

    You decide what to believe, but trust me you don't want to ignore this.
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    TheBob... If Michael pulled off the greatest stunt done by any human being ever... faking his own death and having everyone totally fall for it, how do you explain the 'sightings'? If his plan went of without a hitch, nobody would ever see him again, he would be off on a remote island somewhere.

    Face it, Michael's gone. You think Michael would be so selfish as to do something like this leaving his kids and family in this state? Thats another reason why he really has gone, his family would never agree to having a 'fake death' scenario.

    He's gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomthedude View Post
    TheBob... If Michael pulled off the greatest stunt done by any human being ever... faking his own death and having everyone totally fall for it, how do you explain the 'sightings'? If his plan went of without a hitch, nobody would ever see him again, he would be off on a remote island somewhere.

    Face it, Michael's gone. You think Michael would be so selfish as to do something like this leaving his kids and family in this state? Thats another reason why he really has gone, his family would never agree to having a 'fake death' scenario.

    He's gone
    I have to agree with you..
    "His stirring voice, his musical genius, his creativity and his generosity and his huge heart was extinguished forever." Panish

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomthedude View Post
    TheBob... If Michael pulled off the greatest stunt done by any human being ever... faking his own death and having everyone totally fall for it, how do you explain the 'sightings'? If his plan went of without a hitch, nobody would ever see him again, he would be off on a remote island somewhere.

    Face it, Michael's gone. You think Michael would be so selfish as to do something like this leaving his kids and family in this state? Thats another reason why he really has gone, his family would never agree to having a 'fake death' scenario.

    He's gone
    Well first how do you know that Michael is dead? Face it? Face what? Your opinion?

    Oh right I am in denial? Did you check out the things I mentioned before your answreed my post? No? Made a pre assumption about me I would guess

    Well MJ would not fake his death and have his kids believe he was dea, or his family for that sake. Explaantion? They are in on it

    I am not saying MJ is dead or alive, I am saying that I have seen four pieces of evidence that shows four things that is not real. That is the only real evidence anyone has, and you can say what you want but those can not be excused or dismissed. Go see for yourself and tell me I am in denial, about what? I just know those four things are real. The rest I don't know. But I am not a fool. I don't believe anything anyone tells me, I examine everything before I make my own opinion about it.

    And I did the proper research and work to double check that what I saw was what I think it was. It is. What does that tell me about everything else? That everything we have been shown and told may not be what it is. And if I said I believe Mj is dead, what is my source for that? The media!! How can I or anyone else say for 100% with proof that what we have seen is reality? With assumptions? MJ would not leave his kids, there was a memorial etc etc. That is taking things on face value. Is it likely that what we saw and heard was real? Off course, because we have no reason to think otherwise. But that is the trick. We have to assume we are not being lied to. And that is the real point in all of this. We are gullible and believe everything we hear and read and see on TV. The only reason we ever question something is if we were taught to question it. But we don't question everything.

    And just when we thought we had learned not to be fooled, we get fooled again.

    But what nobody was fooled by, was the fake ambulance footage, the fake photo, the death sertificate and the lyric blooper made by Michael.

    Until I saw that I assumed what you did. Sad people in denial looking for things that are not there bla bla bla. Boy did I jump the gun on that one. Now I don't know. I do know one thing. Everything we have been told comes from three sources. Michaels family, Michaels friends and TMZ. TMZ has had a very huge role in all this, and if you check their site on their RIP celebrity listy of who has died. Mj is not mentioned there. And TMZ has had exclusives to many things we have seen, including the ambulance footage, the photo and the death certificate. They have also released info on the autposy and I tell you a lot of things don't ad up.

    Here is another to chew on. The person who took the photo of MJ in the ambulance was friends with MJ. The two people in Germany who claim they made the "fake video of Mj jumping out of the coroner van in the garage are also friends with MJ.

    Want more? Take a look at the This Is It movie a few more times and see for yourself. It is filled with clues. You just won't see them until you see the four unmistakable evidences that show we have seen four very crucial and very important things that is not real!

    I am in denial? If that so then I must be dreaming and right now I think I am posting on MJJC

    See for yourself and have an open mind.

    "You will see what I want you to see, when I want you to see it, how I want you to see it"

    MJ said that in the Ebony magazine interview. Who knows what he meant

    Is he alive or dead? Who can tell but MJ himself

    Now excuse me I am going to watch some more videos and be in denial some more

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBob View Post
    Well first how do you know that Michael is dead? Face it? Face what? Your opinion?

    No, face it that Michael is dead.

    Oh right I am in denial? Did you check out the things I mentioned before your answreed my post? No? Made a pre assumption about me I would guess

    I got the general gist of what you were saying pretty early on.

    Well MJ would not fake his death and have his kids believe he was dea, or his family for that sake. Explaantion? They are in on it

    You really think Michael or someone close to him would try and explain the plan to his kids?


    I am not saying MJ is dead or alive,

    Yes you are. You are saying he's alive.

    I am saying that I have seen four pieces of evidence that shows four things that is not real.

    These are?
    EDIT: Saw them.

    That is the only real evidence anyone has, and you can say what you want but those can not be excused or dismissed. Go see for yourself and tell me I am in denial, about what?

    About Michael being dead.

    I just know those four things are real. The rest I don't know. But I am not a fool. I don't believe anything anyone tells me, I examine everything before I make my own opinion about it.

    You can get a totally different idea from something by examining it, that doesn't make it right. Maybe you can find slight inconsistencies in the way Tupac, Elvis or Biggie died, doesn't matter, they are still dead.

    And I did the proper research and work to double check that what I saw was what I think it was. It is.

    What research? What is what you thought it was?


    What does that tell me about everything else? That everything we have been shown and told may not be what it is.

    True, but most of the time it is, so we shouldn't assume that he is alive as soon as someone thinks so.

    And if I said I believe Mj is dead, what is my source for that? The media!!

    His official death certificate, the police, Dr. Murray etc... the media isn't always 100% wrong.


    How can I or anyone else say for 100% with proof that what we have seen is reality?

    How can you assume that with about 3 videos of men who appear to be Michael (but aren't), and '4 pieces of evidence' that you wont tell me, that he is alive?

    With assumptions? MJ would not leave his kids, there was a memorial etc etc.

    Yeah, because I'm sure Michael would spend his whole life showing his dedication to kids only to take it all back at the end.

    That is taking things on face value. Is it likely that what we saw and heard was real? Off course, because we have no reason to think otherwise. But that is the trick.

    No, it's real. Why doesn't anyone question with such desperation another celebrities death?


    We have to assume we are not being lied to. And that is the real point in all of this. We are gullible and believe everything we hear and read and see on TV.

    So now every TV station is lying... potentially about everything? So in reality, nobody could actually be dead?

    The only reason we ever question something is if we were taught to question it. But we don't question everything.

    And just when we thought we had learned not to be fooled, we get fooled again.

    But what nobody was fooled by, was the fake ambulance footage, the fake photo, the death sertificate and the lyric blooper made by Michael.

    These were all real. I'm unaware of the blooper lyric but again you don't say what it is. I was treated at a famous hospital as a child, but was I actually treated there? Yes, I have physical marks on my body as proof. Did Michael really die? Yes, we have paper, coroners words and reliable news sources as proof.

    Until I saw that I assumed what you did. Sad people in denial looking for things that are not there bla bla bla. Boy did I jump the gun on that one. Now I don't know. I do know one thing. Everything we have been told comes from three sources. Michaels family, Michaels friends and TMZ. TMZ has had a very huge role in all this, and if you check their site on their RIP celebrity listy of who has died. Mj is not mentioned there.

    Where is this list? I can't find it. You would think that if TMZ and everyone wanted to cover up Michaels 'death' they would INCLUDE it there.

    And TMZ has had exclusives to many things we have seen, including the ambulance footage, the photo and the death certificate.

    Just like 'OK!' magazine had exclusive pictures of Michael and Debbie holding their baby. Was their baby even born?

    They have also released info on the autposy and I tell you a lot of things don't ad up.

    And these things are?


    Here is another to chew on. The person who took the photo of MJ in the ambulance was friends with MJ. The two people in Germany who claim they made the "fake video of Mj jumping out of the coroner van in the garage are also friends with MJ.

    Maybe they were such good friends with Michael, they thought they saw Michael whenever someone with long black hair appeared? "Wow that guy looks like Michael! I bet if we film it we can get a lot of people believing it is him!"

    Want more? Take a look at the This Is It movie a few more times and see for yourself. It is filled with clues. You just won't see them until you see the four unmistakable evidences that show we have seen four very crucial and very important things that is not real!

    And these are?

    I am in denial? If that so then I must be dreaming and right now I think I am posting on MJJC

    That doesn't make any sense.


    See for yourself and have an open mind.

    "You will see what I want you to see, when I want you to see it, how I want you to see it"

    MJ said that in the Ebony magazine interview. Who knows what he meant

    I know he didn't mean he was going to fake his own death.

    Is he alive or dead? Who can tell but MJ himself

    He's dead.

    Now excuse me I am going to watch some more videos and be in denial some more

    Okay.
    Last edited by Tom; 06-12-2009 at 03:05 AM.

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    as I won't give anything for free here.
    Why the **** not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    I don't really want to post a link to it as...well, I don't think it's respfectful but I think the site's well known already.

    I know they're not exactly breaking any rules but is there anything we can do about the Hoax death site? I've seen many comments about it with people saying how hurt and offended they are by it. Some of them are genuine greeving fans but I just still find it very sick and offensive - they're going all over YouTube aswell, posting how he isn't gone and is in hiding etc. They're even saying that Michael is Dave Dave. I just really don't like going on YouTube or some other website and seeing their videos and comments and I'm sure many of you feel the same way...
    The only control we have over the Internet, is what we choose to look at. If people are offended by something, they shouldn't watch it. If they are offended by the hoax death site, they shouldn't go there.

    I am sure there are people who find some of the postings on MJJCommunity crazy too. Even though I also find some things offensive, I am thankful that the internet is a place where free speech and expression of opinion are allowed.

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