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Wednesday, March 3, 2010

Part ThirtyFour - Planting Stories



During Michael’s life there were stories planted about him, people hoped after his death it would finally stop. I hoped that too but meanwhile these hopes keep getting pushed down in the ground hard while one story after another storie seems to come out these days. I feel there are some fans being used here, they are taken advantage of because of their good Faith and their willingness to fight to get justice for Michael. So what i’m about to say is totally not ment against these people but it’s ment against their so called sources.

It all started with Brian Oxman, a man who once was Michael’s lawyer but got fired on april 21st 2005. This same Brian Oxman who started to say in 2007 that Michael would perform with his brothers again. And it happens to be the first person who came straight of the hospital meeting the press after the word was out that Michael was gone. Ever since that day he has been claiming the addiction story, and he still claimes that today. This man imo sure likes to be in the spotlight and loves being the centre of attention.

Brian Oxman knows exactly how to play the fans violin. He knows just how badly the fans want to do something to fight for Michael one last time and he is taking advantage of them. He opend a facebook page where he first asked fans to join him to fight for higher charges. And of course fans joined him and posted this on facebook everywhere. Again i have to say i don’t blame the fans for this, they are just looking for a way so they can actually do something and since Brian Oxman is a public figure and is well known they really believe him.

The thing is that none of them seem to understand that Brian Oxman is still claiming Michael was an addict, something that is proven untrue in the autopsy report. He even was on a radioshow Saturday februari 27th 2010 where he said the autopsy said that Michael had an acute and progressive brainswelling wich was caused by the abuse of drugs. Listen to the radioshow. Now before you start believing these comment Brian Oxman made you have to know that what he said was not in the autopsy report at all. There was a mild brainswelling mention in the autopsy report, but it was considerd normal for a person at the age of 50. Also the autopsy report does not link this mild swelling as being drugrelated like Brian Oxman is claiming. So in my opinion if Brian Oxman would really want justice for Michael he would stop these addiction claims right hereright now…those claims are just as bogus as the Chandler and Arvizo’s claims. I don’t know what Brian Oxman’s agenda is here but it sure isn’t getting justice for Michael.

This however isn’t the only thing that doesn’t add up with Brian Oxman. In the same interview he says he doesn’t think there was a conspiracy to kill Michael, but that there is a conspiracy when it comes down to Michael’s assets. I find that very very strange considering he is saying to represent the Jackson family. After all aren’t some of the family members saying there was a conspiracy to kill Michael? So this lawyer Brian Oxman who does he really represent if he makes other claims than some family members do? He can’t be representing the entire Jackson family if he claims something differently can he?

Some people on facebook are just following Brian Oxman’s words blindly but others seem to think more about what they are hearing and seeing from him. This last group is even asking Brian Oxman questions about things he’s saying. And until today he hasn’t answered those questions, not on facebook and not by private mail. It has happend a lot on facebook when people make claimes and than are questioned about it.

Another strange thing just happend yesterday with Brian Oxman’s facebook, it dissepeared. I’m not saying it happend on purpose, it might just have been a crazy coincidence. But there is something else going on at the same time. The word got out that somebody on facebook got an anonymous letter through facebook claiming there was a fight between Michael and Conrad Murray and that after that Conrad Murray filled a needle till the top and give Michael this injection. It seems that security has heard this argument and that Conrad Murray left after that. There is also the mentioning about the DA and LAPD not being interested in this information. Apperently that same person dissapeared on facebook shortly after he sent that message. Now i know one thing about facebook and that is that you can’t sent an anonymous letter through facebook messages. And for me it’s a bit to much of a coincidence that this person diseaperd from facebook after that message. So i’m guessing the source of this letter is once again Brian Oxman.

Also this is linked to another story about Conrad Murray gone missing for four hours to go to a prostitute and that Conrad Murray left Michael to die. This story was put out before the autopsy report was made public. Anybody who has seen and read the autopsy report knows that this story doesn’t fit in no matter how much you want it to fit. If i than take a look at the story that has come out now it fits even less, and yet there are people out there wanting to make us believe both of the stories are true.

Both of the stories claim to have been told by an inside source and security to an author. This same author is asking fans to put the stories out and keeps his/her mouth shut about it until the stories are on a role. At the same time this author has close contacts with Brian Oxman, and the author is even gonna speak at some kind of conference in june. It will not be a surprice if i say to you that Brian Oxman is also gonna attend that very same conference where people have to pay 400$ for to be able to attend this conference.

I’m not saying this author and this facebook person are lying what i am saying however is that they are being lied to. I personally have contact with these people and i know how much they want to see justice done for Michael. And i really feel bad for both of them to see how they are being used. Unfortunally they are not the only ones being used. I hope some day they won’t be blinded so much anymore by their quest to get justice and see what me and others are seeing about what’s happening to them.

Brian Oxman is also claiming that Michael’s will is fake and that Michael’s real will is missing. Now i know he’s not the only one claiming this and i am no expert on saying that this will is fake or not but i do know this will is very simular as the will that was written before this one. The only big difference is that in this will Michael has added Blanket in there as well. People claim a lot of things about this will but the truth is the things that really matter in this will aren’t in the will, these things are written down in the trust, a trust that will never be open for us to watch. The people who are fighting this will are the same people that always tried to get money from Michael when he was still alive and gosh did they wish to get their own hands on Michael’s assets when he got killed. Just imagne how dissepointed they all must be for not getting anything to keep their lifestiles going without having to work themselfs for their own money now. You bet that that pissed some people of.

We must not forget that Michael was a very smart man and i’m betting on it that he made damn sure that he put very specific instructions in that trust. And if Michael would have written a new will i’m also sure he would have left it at the hands of people he could really trust. I for one wouldn’t put my will in any familymembers hand for safe keeping, and i know i’m not Michael but if i was and i would have written a new will i would have given it to T-Mez for safe keeping.

I’m still not done yet cause Brian Oxman also pointed out at a Michael Jackson Convention in Milan, Italy that the ambulance picture that was taken from Michael is fake. I have to admit in all honesty that i believe that picture is fake. What i don’t believe about it is what Brian Oxman says about it. He tells it is a fabricated pic from Michael on stage. He’s using a theorie here wich was made by the so called “hoax” believers. Not that i have anything against the”hoax” believers, cause they are just fans like me and you they are also doing research but take things another way than fans like me do. But by using a pic and theorie from this group he makes himself really incredible.

A thing i would really point out is that a lot of people say follow the money and that there’s a big blame game going on towards anybody that makes money from Michael’s death. In my opinion these people doing this blame game should put Brian Oxman on that very same list cause he is making a whole lot of money by doing these conferences and i bet it won’t take long before his book comes out with his headspins. There is one thing i know for sure…if you are looking for a way to get to the truth and to get justice for Michael…Brian Oxman is NOT your man to follow.
 
[Brian Oxman also pointed out at a Michael Jackson Convention in Milan, Italy that the ambulance picture that was taken from Michael is fake. I have to admit in all honesty that i believe that picture is fake. What i don’t believe about it is what Brian Oxman says about it. He tells it is a fabricated pic from Michael on stage. He’s using a theorie here wich was made by the so called “hoax” believers.

Isn't that a pretty well proven fact? and has been for quiet some time now..
 
how it is proven-was there done some professional analyse by specialist on Photoshop /photo editing- i asked many people,photographers and designers who working in photosho daily-all of the said that it impossible to state if it fake or not-from just low quality photo
 
Its not just what is in the Will that is sus, its how it is put together.

Alot of the things that Oxman says is wrong. This drug business is BS and Oxman even says it in front of Joe!! What is Joe thinking??

Murray has 5 lawyers vs Oxman................we're fucked!
 
No need for professional analysis since it's a pretty good editing job, and there's a reason why the pic only exist in low quality.
Even my unprofessional eyes can see it's a good edit, but the same eyes can also see that the photo used is an old one from the 30y anniversary at MSG.
For what we know, the ambulance might as well have been empty...
 
No need for professional analysis since it's a pretty good editing job, and there's a reason why the pic only exist in low quality.
Even my unprofessional eyes can see it's a good edit, but the same eyes can also see that the photo used is an old one from the 30y anniversary at MSG.
For what we know, the ambulance might as well have been empty...
:agree: Yes, there is no need for professional analysis that is enough to look carefully and see that picture is fake.

The question is: the paparazzi did a lot of money with the last picture of MJ. Anyway, he tricked everyone by saying that is the last picture and is not, why is fake. This was not something nice that this paparazzi did. Obviously, he will not be punished in any way or will explain why he did it. :doh:
 
you can bet that there's no "real and solid" evidence that the ambulance photograph is fake. If they had such evidence they would have sued the photographer. ( Plus the follower fans confirm that the photographer was there, taking photos, the red car in the reflection etc were there as well)..

so photo being fake is just a hoax theory...
 


You just reminded me we do not have the copy of the 97 will. Even Harvey Levin doesn't have it, we just have reports about it, none of us have seen it. Of course if someone has a copy, I'd love to see it. I think there are alot of good questions about the will - actually about alot of things. Why was MJ so cash poor? If he hadn't been so short on cash, he probably wouldn't have done the concerts & be alive. No need to take propofol. Sony? What is Branca's role? I believe Brana was the source for most of RF financial information. If you follow the money, it seems to lead to Branca, Katz, McClain, Dileo, Weitzman, Thome, AEG, Sony, Colony, Barrack. They are the ones making all the money, not MJ's family, not Oxman - they are the ones in control of all of MJ's assets. Why were the follower fans so worried about MJ? Where's Thome? Why is he not investigated? The list could go on & on. I am very dissatisfied with LAPD. We need better answers. Where is a good investigative reporter when you need one? It would be nice to have some feds investigating for white collar crime.

Personally, I want Weitzman, Fields, Pellicano, Barresi, Martin Singer, Brian Wolff & the tabloids all investigated. I think there is evidence being hidden in Pellicano's tapes, about corruption in LA that would include Michael Ovitz, Ron Meyer & many others. Terry Christensen, formerly of the firm Shapiro is in, has already been convicted in the Pellicano case. Shapiro was Chandlers criminal defense attorney - Shapiro has given quite alot of money to Cooley, btw. Weitzman brought Pellicano to LA for the DeLorean case. They are all tied together. Lots of connections. No coincidences in criminal behavior. Geragos was fighting for those tapes in a civil lawsuit that as of now has been shut down. Maybe it will eventually get somewhere.

ffice:smarttags" name="place"> http://www.thewrap.com/ind-column/pellicano-suit-brooks-brothers-or-marx-brothers-9655
You know this will be a train-wreck of a trial because some of the case’s biggest lawyers are also its defendants. Hollywood mega-attorney Bert Fields is a defendant, as is Terry Christensen and his former firm, Christensen Glaser Shapiro et al.; ditto Alan Jay Weil, Greenberg Glusker et al., and Gorry Meyer & Rudd.



As far as following Oxman, he is the lawyer for Joe - he is the only one fighting for anything legally. So I am following Joe & whoever lawyer he has representing him. And the lawyer has to be paid - he/she has to pay receptionists, clerks, overhead etc. I am sure whatever Oxman makes its a small pittance compared to what Branca, Weitzman, McClain, Sony etc are making. He has to make appearances to keep the case alive, that's what LaToya & Joe are doing too.

I believe when I last watched Eddie Jones show that it was Hughes who supports that Murray left MJ for a prostitute. Maybe. IDK. My impression is the police don't have evidence to support that. Maybe Oxman is correct - my impression is he believes the police that Murray is solely responsible for his death, that he was so reckless for 6 weeks that he deserves 2nd degree murder - and that afterwards Branca, Dileo, Sony etc are taking advantage with the will, etc. Could be correct. I have read that theory before on other boards.I certainly believe they should have charged Murray with 2nd degree murder - the jury can always convict on a lesser charge when it goes to deliberation. Like I said, we need the feds investigating, LAPD is not good enough - these are very smart criminals IMO.
 
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Wow :bugeyed, calm...

I know there is no evidence showing that it is 100% fake and that this is part of hoax theories and everything is still speculation. Well, I think Oxman is not 100% sure that it is fake. He said, but not proved. But that picture looks fake.

I just commented on what came into my mind. :)


I will continue looking at all the facts.





I think the pic is fake - the guy did it to make money. He probably did have pics that didn't come out, so he did a little magic. I don't think it would be worth taking to court. Nothing yet is actually proven about anything - hope we get that at trial.
Just thinking...

Yes, and he could not return to their place of work without showing the result to your boss. Probably, he made many pictures and all were very bad. The glass of the ambulance is dark and it would be impossible to get a perfect picture that you could see everything inside the ambulance with great clarity. Everyone knew that the "last picture" Michael would be worth much money.
 
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I think the pic is fake - the guy did it to make money. He probably did have pics that didn't come out, so he did a little magic. I don't think it would be worth taking to court. Nothing yet is actually proven about anything - hope we get that at trial.
 
Part ThirtyFour - Planting Stories

The thing is that none of them seem to understand that Brian Oxman is still claiming Michael was an addict, something that is proven untrue in the autopsy report.
He had no scruple - as an laywer! - to tell this worldwide in every interview he can get.

I don’t know what Brian Oxman’s agenda is here but it sure isn’t getting justice for Michael.
The answer is in the article: "This man imo sure likes to be in the spotlight and loves being the centre of attention."

Some people on facebook are just following Brian Oxman’s words blindly but others seem to think more about what they are hearing and seeing from him. This last group is even asking Brian Oxman questions about things he’s saying. And until today he hasn’t answered those questions, not on facebook and not by private mail.
They get banned from his fb-admin.

Another strange thing just happend yesterday with Brian Oxman’s facebook, it dissepeared. I’m not saying it happend on purpose, it might just have been a crazy coincidence.
Yepp, the same last week .. always when it comes to uncomfortable questions and fb-members emphatically demand answers

Also this is linked to another story about Conrad Murray gone missing for four hours to go to a prostitute and that Conrad Murray left Michael to die. This story was put out before the autopsy report was made public. Anybody who has seen and read the autopsy report knows that this story doesn’t fit in no matter how much you want it to fit. If i than take a look at the story that has come out now it fits even less, and yet there are people out there wanting to make us believe both of the stories are true.

Both of the stories claim to have been told by an inside source and security to an author. This same author is asking fans to put the stories out and keeps his/her mouth shut about it until the stories are on a role. At the same time this author has close contacts with Brian Oxman, and the author is even gonna speak at some kind of conference in june.
Geraldine Hughes tells this story on ustream :doh:
I'm sorry, I forgot to tell, she writes her next book *cynical*

There is one thing i know for sure…if you are looking for a way to get to the truth and to get justice for Michael…Brian Oxman is NOT your man to follow
Agree!


As I multiple times said, Ox is a looser. He is Joe's lawyer and can't get payed, so he must do things like Milan or Interviews or maybe a I-will- tell-you-TheJackson-secrets-book to generate money.

What makes me angry is, in the Eddie Jones show, Geraldine Hughes, Navy, Ox, Majestic the Magnificant *lol* and Eddie fed MJ fans with these false informations, and Eddie with no idea about nothing will walk to the congress.
btw he try to find sponsers for his show, you may donate! :D

The whole bunch around Ox is really laughable!


It's so terrible sad, that this family can't find another respectable, serious lawyer to find justice for the famest man on earth, the man and his legacy deserves to be in the finest hands
 
As I multiple times said, Ox is a looser. He is Joe's lawyer and can't get payed, so he must do things like Milan or Interviews or maybe a I-will- tell-you-TheJackson-secrets-book to generate money.

He's probably getting paid for the job he does for Joe. He's probably on retainer or charging an hourly rate for the hours he works.


What makes me angry is, in the Eddie Jones show, Geraldine Hughes, Navy, Ox, Majestic the Magnificant *lol* and Eddie fed MJ fans with these false informations, and Eddie with no idea about nothing will walk to the congress.
btw he try to find sponsers for his show, you may donate! :D

The whole bunch around Ox is really laughable!

ah that show. Am I only one that's questioning that show? Eddie Jones seems to not know the very basic things about Michael and just jumped on this train for recognition. Geraldine is promoting her book. In the last show she was talking about making research and finding interesting information and what she calls research is a google search and Michael Jackson 101 (I'm sure any member of this forum has already knows what she calls research and interesting information for the last 5 years).. Heck in the last 2 shows that I had seen they couldn't even say John Branca's name right (+Eddie totally did not know who the executor was). Stories are made up right and left with saying "I heard that..." . Anyway..

And are they really walking to the congress, like a march of people? I hope someone can think to get the necessary permissions, permits etc..
 
And are they really walking to the congress, like a march of people? I hope someone can think to get the necessary permissions, permits etc..
Yepp :cheeky:
The first date has been postponed because they, if I remember correctly, it was Geraldine, didn't know the congress were closed on that day (summer break) *rofl*
Now they march on September ... with Ox :smilerolleyes:

ivy, on the last "show", Eddie even forgot the name of Janet as he greeted the brothers and sisters ..
He is a 'white sheet of paper' when it comes to Michael .. and this case.

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btw. Kathryn Milofsky, who works with Ox many years, and makes now the promotion for the Rome tribute, is even a friend of Diane Dimond (on facebook).
This says all!
 
ah that show. Am I only one that's questioning that show? Eddie Jones seems to not know the very basic things about Michael and just jumped on this train for recognition.

No, you're not the only one Ivy - the show is an embarrassment. It would be hilarious if the subject matter wasn't so tragic :(
 
Geraldine Hughes tells this story on ustream :doh:
I'm sorry, I forgot to tell, she writes her next book *cynical*

I apologise for quoting myself .. I want to add: communication on facebook

Geraldine Hughes May 17th, 2010
THE MOVIE: "REDEMPTION: THE TRUTH BEHIND THE MICHAEL JACKSON CHILD MOLESTATION ALLEGATION" is seeking movie producers, film companies, and executive producers.(..)
Geraldine Hughes May 18th, 2010
As soon as we find someone willing to put up the budget for the film, its a done deal. The budget will be anywhere from $40-60 mil. That's a small budget, but can be made into a movie.
$40-60 mil.? :doh:
*rofl*
Who will playing the part of Michael? Navy?

All ppl "sitting on the round table" on Eddies show want to profiting of Michael!
What a shame!

But they point very quickly their fingers to others like Julien, Branca, etc. who do only their job!

I despair of human nature .. not only sometimes :(


P.S.: March to Washington
OVER ONE MILLION MICHAEL JACKSON FANS WILL BE NEEDED, WE WILL BE MARCHING TO THE WHITE HOUSE, ALL FANS WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE IN WASHINGTON DC., (..)
FRONT RUNNERS
EDDIE JONES, PRESIDENT LOS ANGELES CIVIL RIGHTS ASSOCIATION,
BRAIN OXMAN, JOE JACKSON ATTORNEY.
Majestik Magnificent
TONY WILSON, (YOUNG JAMES BROWN), (..)
 
He's probably getting paid for the job he does for Joe. He's probably on retainer or charging an hourly rate for the hours he works.




ah that show. Am I only one that's questioning that show? Eddie Jones seems to not know the very basic things about Michael and just jumped on this train for recognition. Geraldine is promoting her book. In the last show she was talking about making research and finding interesting information and what she calls research is a google search and Michael Jackson 101 (I'm sure any member of this forum has already knows what she calls research and interesting information for the last 5 years).. Heck in the last 2 shows that I had seen they couldn't even say John Branca's name right (+Eddie totally did not know who the executor was). Stories are made up right and left with saying "I heard that..." . Anyway..

And are they really walking to the congress, like a march of people? I hope someone can think to get the necessary permissions, permits etc..


I like Eddie Jones. He seems to be working hard to get fans to show up for the next courthouse date. I support anyone who does that. I like his idea of bringing a candle on June 14 - I wish I could be there but it is too far for me. I will attempt to twitter though I don't know what I am doing. He has a new vid up btw.
 
I like Eddie Jones. He seems to be working hard to get fans to show up for the next courthouse date. I support anyone who does that. I like his idea of bringing a candle on June 14 - I wish I could be there but it is too far for me. I will attempt to twitter though I don't know what I am doing. He has a new vid up btw.

light a candle in broad daylight?

plus given the number of people going to be outside (and how people react to family, friends and even murray arriving) , the security/cops might not allow to light candles as they can be a safety hazard.

don't get me wrong. candles etc could be a nice touch but I personally prefer more solid actions with actual outcomes that would bring justice for Michael.
 
light a candle in broad daylight?

plus given the number of people going to be outside (and how people react to family, friends and even murray arriving) , the security/cops might not allow to light candles as they can be a safety hazard.

don't get me wrong. candles etc could be a nice touch but I personally prefer more solid actions with actual outcomes that would bring justice for Michael.


I think it is very important to have as many fans as possible there. The DA, LAPD are the ones that have to do the actual work - but when family (& fans in MJ's case) of a victim show up, I think it does have an impact as the victim is no longer there to speak & gets forgotten. Murray apparently will have his own supporters there this next time. He & his defense must think that is important PR. The candle is just a gesture & I'm sure will only be lit when it is appropriate.

Eddie & his followers are local, hopefully he can help get more fans there this time. It is way easier to get local fans to come - they don't have to pay airfare, hotel etc. - find time to get off work, arrange for childcare, except for the day - things like that.
 
(..)I support anyone who does that. (..)
Since June there are so many supporters .. and not all handle in a selfless way .. you have to learn to distinguish "the bad" from "the good" ones .. therefore, I don't support anyone!

Eddie, who means to do good things, but works side on side with ppl who will only profit from Michael like Ox, Geraldine, Majestic etc. .. therefore I can't support him, because I would give the others my consent for their behaviour or acting, which I would never want to give them!

There are always multiple views .. but I have to live with my moral sense and have to look in the mirror every day.
 
I think it is very important to have as many fans as possible there. The DA, LAPD are the ones that have to do the actual work - but when family (& fans in MJ's case) of a victim show up, I think it does have an impact as the victim is no longer there to speak & gets forgotten. Murray apparently will have his own supporters there this next time. He & his defense must think that is important PR. The candle is just a gesture & I'm sure will only be lit when it is appropriate.

Eddie & his followers are local, hopefully he can help get more fans there this time. It is way easier to get local fans to come - they don't have to pay airfare, hotel etc. - find time to get off work, arrange for childcare, except for the day - things like that.

I think lighting a candle is a lovely idea.
 
While I agree that BO is not a reliable source of information, that also doesn't mean that everything he has said is untruthful.
It is unfortunate that everyone that has, or ever had anything to do with Michael, can't be counted on to be honest about anything. It isn't just BO! It is everyone in his life! How sad and no wonder he couldn't trust anyone! Who ever is really behind this murder has been working over time to try to muddy the waters, until no one knows what to believe anymore.
I am still of the mind set, who had the most to gain? That answer is obvious if you look with out blinders on.
 
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While I agree that BO is not a reliable source of information, that also doesn't mean that everything he has said is untruthful.
It is unfortunate that everyone that has, or ever had anything to do with Michael, can't be counted on to be honest about anything. It isn't just BO! It is everyone in his life! How sad and no wonder he couldn't trust anyone! Who ever is really behind this murder has been working over time to try to muddy the waters, until no one knows what to believe anymore.
I am still of the mind set, who had the most to gain? That answer is obvious if you look with out blinders on.

Who is that?

I keep reminding myself that in one of the most greatly documented murders in history, there seemed to be no clues, and no apparent motivation for the murder.

So motivation can very well be hidden.

And remember, there is not only murder for gain, like money and stuff. Murderers exist for thrill, hatred, jealousy, pleasure etc.
 
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I think lighting a candle is a lovely idea.

I think it will be a good thing. I do hope lots of fans are able to come.

Justice4mj has this vid up of the last court date. They have new tshirts btw & they are cute, but I liked the old ones better. Too bad for the cease & desist letter. I think I will order the L.O.V.E one though.




 
Who is that?

I keep reminding myself that in one of the most greatly documented murders in history, there seemed to be no clues, and no apparent motivation for the murder.

So motivation can very well be hidden.

And remember, there is not only murder for gain, like money and stuff. Murderers exist for thrill, hatred, jealousy, pleasure etc.

In my eyes, this was murder for money. Follow the money and connections between the people making it. They have hidden all the clues and shut up the people with answers.
In the end, I still believe good will prevail! The truth will come out. It will just take persistence and time.
 
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