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Is this information about the unreleased songs true?

Arif Emirhan Alkan

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Because It Has Some Really İnteresting İnformation Like:1:She's Not It:Written and Recorded in 2002. Reworking of "Billie Jean".Complete Vocals known to exist.
2:Rocker:Similar to Queen's "We Will Rock You" and Jackson's earlier"They Don't Care About Us"; reportedly has finished vocals.Alternatively known as "Rock Tonight".
3:A Baby Smiles:Written and recorded in 1979.
Btw I can't put Link for some reason it says waiting for approval.
There's a lot of information like that on that site.
 
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“She’s Not It”: Not true.

“Rocker”: True. Not sure about the Queen comparison.

“A Baby Smiles”: Real song, but the 1979 date is unconfirmed.
 
There's like 10-20 songs like that on that website should I post them all?Also Thank You for the answer.So Does Rocker Have finished vocals really?
 
Yes, that's why we're here, to discuss.
 
Wasn't it posted before that Rocker's lyrics don't fully make sense? Sounds to me like there's full vocals but the lyrics may not be finished. Still would be super interested to hear that one. (And anything else from around that time lol)
 
Thanks For All of your answers.I was really excited about She's Not It because Billie Jean is my favorite song of all time.Here's the other interesting information:
TitleWriterMethod of acknowledgementNotes
A Pretty Face Is
Stevie Wonder
Unknown
Written circa 1974; intended as a duet with the Jackson 5; reportedly recorded for Wonder's 1987 album Characters.
Adore You
Michael Jackson, Brad Buxer
Title listed on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Written and recorded in 2009 during the This is It sessions.
Alright Now
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded in 1985 as a demo for Ralph Tresvant; Tresvant's version was released on his eponymous debut album.
All The Truth You Need
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded during the Dangerous sessions; possibly identical to "The Truth On Youth."
Angel
Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds
Unknown
Recorded around 1998 for a shelved greatest hits compilation. Several purported snippets of the song have surfaced on the Internet, although their authenticity remains in doubt. Fully complete version is known to exist.
Angel in Disguise
Lashawn Daniels, Rodney Jerkins, Fred Jerkins III
Snippet played by Jerkins during an Instagram Live session in 2020
Recorded in 1998 during the Invincible sessions as a writer's demo for R&B artist Brandy Norwood. Norwood version released in 1999.
Attitude
Michael Jackson, Kathy Wakefield, Michael Pierre
Registered with EMI Music Publishing.
Recorded during the Thriller sessions. Fully complete version is known to exist.
Bassouille
Michael Jackson, Bruce Swedien
Unknown
Written in 1994 during the HIStory sessions; alternatively known as "Basszouille"; Fully complete version is known to exist.
Beautiful Girl
Michael Jackson, Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins (possibly)
Song title listed on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Written and produced between 1998 and 2004; later Jackson would rework it between 2007 and 2009 to an advanced state of production for an unknown future project that would ultimately be cancelled due to his death. Listed among certain songs that he had wanted to finish.
Behind the Mask
Ryuichi Sakamoto, Chris Mosdell, Michael Jackson
Existence revealed by Sony to promote Michael.
Recorded in 1982 during the Thriller sessions; cover of an instrumental track by Yellow Magic Orchestra; planned for inclusion on Thriller, but cut due to royalty issues with YMO; Jackson version covered by Eric Clapton and included on his 1987 album August, 23 years prior to the Jackson version's official release, A remix of the original demo was released in Michael in 2010.
Be Me 4 a Day
Michael Jackson, Gray Calix Days
Registered with Broadcast Music Incorporated.
Written and Recorded in 1987 and 2000; also known as "Be Me for a Day", "Just for One Day Be Michael", "Just for a Day", "Me 4 a Day", or "Be Michael". Vocally Complete and ready for release
Belong 2
Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley
Unknown
Written in 1999 during the Invincible sessions. Fully complete version is known to exist.
Best of Joy
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded in 2009 during the This is It sessions; one of the final tracks recorded by Jackson before his death.
The Best Thing
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and Recorded during the HIStory sessions. Vocally Complete and ready for release
Blue Powder
Michael Jackson, Brad Buxer
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2000 during the Invincible sessions; among certain demos auctioned to a private collector in 2018.
Bottle of Smoke
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 1991 during the Dangerous sessions.
Breathe
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2009 during the This is It sessions; notable for being one of the last songs recorded by Jackson during his lifetime.
Buffalo Bill
Michael Jackson
Listed during the 1993 deposition.
Written and recorded in 1983 during the Victory sessions.
California Grass
Michael Jackson
Listed during the 1993 deposition.
Initially written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions; completed in 1993.
Call It Off
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Produced during the Dangerous sessions.
Can You
Michael Jackson, will.i.am
Unknown
Likely worked on between 2005 and 2009; a verified source claims that the vocals for the track were recorded, but the song had not been finished by the time of Jackson's death.
Can't Get Your Weight Off of Me
Michael Jackson, Bruce Swedien
UnknownOne of the songs Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins produced for the "Invincible" recording sessions in 1999-2001 but the song failed to make it on the album.
The song is completely finished and has full vocals by Michael Jackson, full verses, chorus, climax and lots of ad-libs. Mastered on June 20th, 2004 for "The Ultimate Collection" but again, the song failed to gain a release on that box set. The runtime is 5 minutes and 17 seconds with a BPM of 85. Considered for "Xscape" but never selected. The song was last discussed during a Sony UK meeting before the release of the "Xscape" album. Attempted to be sold on an auction with the minimal bid of $100K in 2018, but no one bidded. The same copy was up for sale on Ebay the same for $500K, but no one bought it. An UK MJ collector bought the 2004 master of the song in 2021 for £1K. Many snippets of the song are circulating on the internet since 2010. The song is also known by the fans as "Can't Get Your Weight Off Of Me", "Get Your Weight Off Me", "Can't Get Your Weight Off Me", "GYWOOM", "CGWOOM", "GYWOM", "CGYWOM" and "Weight Off Of Me"
Can't Stop Loving You
Michael Jackson
Song title found on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Recorded in 1985; Unrelated to "I Just Can't Stop Loving You", which was officially released.
Cheater
Michael Jackson, Greg Phillinganes, Quincy Jones (possibly)
Song title found on a note in Jackson's bedroom
Likely written and recorded around 1985-87 during the Bad sessions and left off the album; reworked between 1997-1999 during the Invincible sessions into a version that would feature rapper Fats, and worked on again in 2009 before his death.
Cheater (Ft. Fats)
Michael Jackson, Fats
Song title found on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Reworking of 1985-87 original, produced during the Invincible sessions; features additions by Fats.
Cheater (2009)
Michael Jackson
Song title found on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
A second reworking of the 1985-87 original, produced during the This Is It sessions; whether it features the additions that were made by Fats during the Invincible sessions is unknown. Listed among certain songs that he had desired to finish.
Chicago 1945
Steve Porcaro
Unknown
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions; reworked during the Invincible sessions; unrelated to "Al Capone", which was originally titled "Chicago 1945"; considered for inclusion on Xscape, but rejected by Pocaro.
The Children's Hour
Michael Jackson
Listed during the 1993 deposition.
Recorded as a demo for the Japanese charity group J-Friends; Japanese version released in 1998.
Color of My Soul
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written in 2000; possibly recorded in 2006 with Whitney Houston on backing vocals.
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I had hoped for more information about H20 dark lady. Encouraging news on "adore you" and "rocker" which are also high on my wanted list.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Wasn't it posted before that Rocker's lyrics don't fully make sense? Sounds to me like there's full vocals but the lyrics may not be finished. Still would be super interested to hear that one. (And anything else from around that time lol)
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That’s what I was told. Full vocal performance, but the lyrics sort of don’t make sense.
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
Alright Now was recorded in 1985, confirmed by John Barnes.
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Thanks I Am fixing it right now.Well I told you it was to be continued so here it is (after nearly 6 months lol) .Btw this is from a site called:"The Lost Media Wiki" if you type to google michael jackson unreleased songs you should see it.I am taking the ones that says recorded.Also @AlwaysThere can you look at this charts and tell if there is any misinformation so I can correct it:
TitleWriterMethod Of AcknowledgementNotes
Crack Kills
Michael Jackson
Listed during the 1993 deposition.
Recorded in 1986; planned to have featured rappers Run-DMC; allegedly shelved due to an incident where Jackson's chimpanzee Bubbles accidentally bit Jam Master Jay, though the overall recording experience was still described as a positive one; Run-DMC's verse was reworked for their album Tougher Than Leather.
Craze
Michael Jackson
Mentioned by Michael Prince in a March 2017 episode of The MJCast.
Written and recorded in 1998 during the Invincible sessions; Fully complete version is known to exist; reportedly at least six minutes in duration.
Days in Gloucestershire
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham, Brad Buxer
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2004; alternatively known as "Gloucestershire".
Dead or Alive
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2004.
Deep in the Night
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written in 1987 and Recorded in 1989
Destruction
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2005 as a sequel to 1995's "Scream" as a duet with Janet Jackson; planned to be included on Janet's 2015 album Unbreakable, but was cut.
Dig It
John Lennon
Unknown
Lyrics sung during studio sessions, possibly recorded.
Don't Walk Away (2009)
Rod Michael, Corey Rooney, Michael Jackson
Song title listed on a note in Jackson's bedroom; existence confirmed by Rod Michael in 2018.
Written in 2005 and submitted to Jackson as a writer's demo. Jackson would record his own version at some point before his death.
Do You Love Me
Michael Jackson, Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds
Unknown
Written and recorded in 1998.


Doing Dirty
Michael and Marlon Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 1983 during the Victory sessions.
Don't Be Messin' 'Round
Michael Jackson
Prematurely announced in 2012, one month before the Jackson Estate's official announcement.
Written and Recorded in 1978 during Off The Wall sessions, in 1982 during the Thriller sessions, from 1986-1987 during the Bad sessions, in 1990 during the Dangerous sessions, in 1995 during the HIStory sessions, in 1999 during Invincible sessions and from 2003 - 2009.
Don't Matter To Me
Michael Jackson, Paul Anka
Vocals released in 2018.
Recorded in 1983, vocals used in Drake's Scorpion album in 2018.
Don't Walk Away
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded in 2009; unrelated to the identically-named song from Invincible.
Do You Know Where Your Children Are
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded in 1987 during the Bad sessions and from 1990-1991 during the Dangerous sessions.
Dreams
Michael Jackson
Registered with Broadcast Music Incorporated.
Recorded in 1993. Planned to be on The Pepsi Commercial of The Same Name; Fully complete version is known to exist.
Easy
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded in 1993 for an album that was shelved due to contractual difficulties.
Eaten Alive
Maurice and Barry Gibb, Michael Jackson
Unknown
Original version written by the Gibb brothers, reworked by Jackson; later recorded by Diana Ross and released on her Eaten Alive album in 1985.
Ekam Satyam
A.R. Rahman, A.R. Parthasarathi, Kanika Myer, Bharat
Mentioned by Rod Michael in 2017
Recorded circa 1999 as a duet between Jackson (singing in English) and Rahman (singing in Sanskrit); intended to be on a planned 2003 album but shelved due to the album's cancellation; title is Sanskrit for "The One Truth".
Elizabeth, I Love You
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 1997 as a tribute to Jackson's friend Elizabeth Taylor, 1 minute and 30 seconds of the studio version has leaked.
End It
Michael Jackson
Catalogued in the ASCAP Repertory.
Written and recorded in 2002; This song was considered too dark with suicidal undertones.
Faces
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded during the HIStory sessions; would have featured an introduction performed by Nelson Mandela and percussion by STOMP; was cancelled after the 1993 child molestation charges motivated Mandela's advisors to prohibit him from recording; alternatively known as "Face".
Family Thing
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded in 1993 for Addams Family Values but cancelled due to contractual difficulties with Paramount Pictures; alternatively known as "Addams Groove", "Family Values", or "Family Morales".
Fanfare Transition
Michael Jackson
Registered with the U.S. Copyright Office in 1992.
Written and recorded in 1992; alternatively known as "Fanfare 1992". A fully complete version is known to exist.
Fantasy
Michael Jackson, Jermaine Jackson
Listed during the 1993 deposition.
Recorded in 1983.
Far, Far Away
Michael Jackson
Listed during the 1993 deposition.
Recorded in 1983.
Fear
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded in 1989 during the Dangerous sessions; Evolved into Is It Scary
Fever
Michael Jackson, Bryan Loren
Unknown
Recorded in 1991 during the Dangerous sessions; Reworking of Hot Fever
Fly Girl
Michael Jackson, will.i.am
Demo snippet played during a 2006 Hollywood Access interview.
Recorded circa 2006 in collaboration with William "will.i.am" Adams, reworked into the identically-named track on Adam's 2007 album Songs About Girls. Jackson version lost.
Friend
Michael Jackson.
Existence confirmed by Matt Forger
Written in 1985 during the Bad sessions; Evolved into Will You Be There. Fully complete version is known to exist.
To be continued....
 
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Arif Emirhan Alkan said:
Thanks For All of your answers.I was really excited about She's Not It because Billie Jean is my favorite song of all time.Here's the other interesting information:
TitleWriterMethod of acknowledgementNotes
A Pretty Face Is
Stevie Wonder
Unknown
Written circa 1974; intended as a duet with the Jackson 5; reportedly recorded for Wonder's 1987 album Characters.
Adore You
Michael Jackson, Brad Buxer
Title listed on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Written and recorded in 2009 during the This is It sessions.
Alright Now
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded in 1985 as a demo for Ralph Tresvant; Tresvant's version was released on his eponymous debut album.
All The Truth You Need
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded during the Dangerous sessions; possibly identical to "The Truth On Youth."
Angel
Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds
Unknown
Recorded around 1998 for a shelved greatest hits compilation. Several purported snippets of the song have surfaced on the Internet, although their authenticity remains in doubt. Fully complete version is known to exist.
Angel in Disguise
Lashawn Daniels, Rodney Jerkins, Fred Jerkins III
Snippet played by Jerkins during an Instagram Live session in 2020
Recorded in 1998 during the Invincible sessions as a writer's demo for R&B artist Brandy Norwood. Norwood version released in 1999.
Attitude
Michael Jackson, Kathy Wakefield, Michael Pierre
Registered with EMI Music Publishing.
Recorded during the Thriller sessions. Fully complete version is known to exist.
Bassouille
Michael Jackson, Bruce Swedien
Unknown
Written in 1994 during the HIStory sessions; alternatively known as "Basszouille"; Fully complete version is known to exist.
Beautiful Girl
Michael Jackson, Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins (possibly)
Song title listed on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Written and produced between 1998 and 2004; later Jackson would rework it between 2007 and 2009 to an advanced state of production for an unknown future project that would ultimately be cancelled due to his death. Listed among certain songs that he had wanted to finish.
Behind the Mask
Ryuichi Sakamoto, Chris Mosdell, Michael Jackson
Existence revealed by Sony to promote Michael.
Recorded in 1982 during the Thriller sessions; cover of an instrumental track by Yellow Magic Orchestra; planned for inclusion on Thriller, but cut due to royalty issues with YMO; Jackson version covered by Eric Clapton and included on his 1987 album August, 23 years prior to the Jackson version's official release, A remix of the original demo was released in Michael in 2010.
Be Me 4 a Day
Michael Jackson, Gray Calix Days
Registered with Broadcast Music Incorporated.
Written and Recorded in 1987 and 2000; also known as "Be Me for a Day", "Just for One Day Be Michael", "Just for a Day", "Me 4 a Day", or "Be Michael". Vocally Complete and ready for release
Belong 2
Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley
Unknown
Written in 1999 during the Invincible sessions. Fully complete version is known to exist.
Best of Joy
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded in 2009 during the This is It sessions; one of the final tracks recorded by Jackson before his death.
The Best Thing
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and Recorded during the HIStory sessions. Vocally Complete and ready for release
Blue Powder
Michael Jackson, Brad Buxer
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2000 during the Invincible sessions; among certain demos auctioned to a private collector in 2018.
Bottle of Smoke
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 1991 during the Dangerous sessions.
Breathe
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2009 during the This is It sessions; notable for being one of the last songs recorded by Jackson during his lifetime.
Buffalo Bill
Michael Jackson
Listed during the 1993 deposition.
Written and recorded in 1983 during the Victory sessions.
California Grass
Michael Jackson
Listed during the 1993 deposition.
Initially written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions; completed in 1993.
Call It Off
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Produced during the Dangerous sessions.
Can You
Michael Jackson, will.i.am
Unknown
Likely worked on between 2005 and 2009; a verified source claims that the vocals for the track were recorded, but the song had not been finished by the time of Jackson's death.
Can't Get Your Weight Off of Me
Michael Jackson, Bruce Swedien
UnknownOne of the songs Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins produced for the "Invincible" recording sessions in 1999-2001 but the song failed to make it on the album.
The song is completely finished and has full vocals by Michael Jackson, full verses, chorus, climax and lots of ad-libs. Mastered on June 20th, 2004 for "The Ultimate Collection" but again, the song failed to gain a release on that box set. The runtime is 5 minutes and 17 seconds with a BPM of 85. Considered for "Xscape" but never selected. The song was last discussed during a Sony UK meeting before the release of the "Xscape" album. Attempted to be sold on an auction with the minimal bid of $100K in 2018, but no one bidded. The same copy was up for sale on Ebay the same for $500K, but no one bought it. An UK MJ collector bought the 2004 master of the song in 2021 for £1K. Many snippets of the song are circulating on the internet since 2010. The song is also known by the fans as "Can't Get Your Weight Off Of Me", "Get Your Weight Off Me", "Can't Get Your Weight Off Me", "GYWOOM", "CGWOOM", "GYWOM", "CGYWOM" and "Weight Off Of Me"
Can't Stop Loving You
Michael Jackson
Song title found on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Recorded in 1985; Unrelated to "I Just Can't Stop Loving You", which was officially released.
Cheater
Michael Jackson, Greg Phillinganes, Quincy Jones (possibly)
Song title found on a note in Jackson's bedroom
Likely written and recorded around 1985-87 during the Bad sessions and left off the album; reworked between 1997-1999 during the Invincible sessions into a version that would feature rapper Fats, and worked on again in 2009 before his death.
Cheater (Ft. Fats)
Michael Jackson, Fats
Song title found on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Reworking of 1985-87 original, produced during the Invincible sessions; features additions by Fats.
Cheater (2009)
Michael Jackson
Song title found on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
A second reworking of the 1985-87 original, produced during the This Is It sessions; whether it features the additions that were made by Fats during the Invincible sessions is unknown. Listed among certain songs that he had desired to finish.
Chicago 1945
Steve Porcaro
Unknown
Written and recorded during the Bad sessions; reworked during the Invincible sessions; unrelated to "Al Capone", which was originally titled "Chicago 1945"; considered for inclusion on Xscape, but rejected by Pocaro.
The Children's Hour
Michael Jackson
Listed during the 1993 deposition.
Recorded as a demo for the Japanese charity group J-Friends; Japanese version released in 1998.
Color of My Soul
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written in 2000; possibly recorded in 2006 with Whitney Houston on backing vocals.
To Be Contunied...
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id love to know where this info is from like how would anyone know if CGYWOOM was discussed in a sony meeting...weirdly specific piece of info right?

also how is it legal to auction songs off? aren't the only people who hold the copyright to sell these songs are the estate the writers and producers? and all it takes is just one of those people to say no and it doesn't happen but somehow these tracks are being publicly sold to private collectors left right and center, i remember hearing about a track with Michael and Pavarotti being sold at one auction like how the F does that make sense...


also is brad the last kind of the last on hand producer in 2009 for mj? i wonder why no one sat down with him and asked him about the last songs he and mike worked on he must remember them well

ALSO ALSO lots of conflicting accounts on songs that feature Whitney and Mariah as duets or BGS, some say these exist some say they don't, don't know who to believe but i sure would love for that to happen, i think Mariah actually said in an interview once that they did a song together(not the WMCIG feature) but people said she might be remembering wrong IDK at this point
 
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rolerprod said:
also how is it legal to auction songs off? aren't the only people who hold the copyright to sell these songs are the estate the writers and producers?
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I'm confused. Am I right in thinking that Michael had his own music publishing company? And therefore owned the publishing rights to his own songs? Not the recording rights, obvs, they belong to Sony. But the publishing rights? I thought that Michael had that all sorted. Which means, as you say here, that the estate presumably now owns them along with any other credited writers and whichever relevant producer was involved.

rolerprod said:
and all it takes is just one of those people to say no and it doesn't happen but somehow these tracks are being publicly sold to private collectors left right and center,
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Has everyone with a legal connection to any particular song really agreed to sell it off? How does that help the estate with future releases? I am SO confused. I must be missing something really obvious here. I'm not a lawyer or a musician so I don't know at what point in its life cycle a song becomes the legal property of a music publishing company.

If the estate wanted a particular song for a future project, why would they put themselves in a position where they have to negotiate with a private collector? That sounds like madness.

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i remember hearing about a track with Michael and Pavarotti being sold at one auction like how the F does that make sense...
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It doesn't make sense. Not to me, anyway. Is it because the estate thinks it can make loads more money off a particular song by selling it at auction vs. however much they think that particular song could contribute to any future project?

However many songs are left in the vault, how can it make any sense to break up that collection? Regardless of whether any of the songs are complete or not, I don't understand why you'd do that.
 
zinniabooklover said:
I'm confused. Am I right in thinking that Michael had his own music publishing company? And therefore owned the publishing rights to his own songs? Not the recording rights, obvs, they belong to Sony. But the publishing rights? I thought that Michael had that all sorted. Which means, as you say here, that the estate presumably now owns them along with any other credited writers and whichever relevant producer was involved.


Has everyone with a legal connection to any particular song really agreed to sell it off? How does that help the estate with future releases? I am SO confused. I must be missing something really obvious here. I'm not a lawyer or a musician so I don't know at what point in its life cycle a song becomes the legal property of a music publishing company.

If the estate wanted a particular song for a future project, why would they put themselves in a position where they have to negotiate with a private collector? That sounds like madness.


It doesn't make sense. Not to me, anyway. Is it because the estate thinks it can make loads more money off a particular song by selling it at auction vs. however much they think that particular song could contribute to any future project?

However many songs are left in the vault, how can it make any sense to break up that collection? Regardless of whether any of the songs are complete or not, I don't understand why you'd do that.
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the only logical answer is that this is done in a pirated illegal way but its so public that the estate must know this is happening so its weird how they just let it happen and not sue people left and right.

im pretty sure that the pav&mj song was fake and i know they sold the bible jason malachi album in an auction and that makes sense for the estate to not act on but CGYWOOM is 100 precent mj singing how did that even go up on sale? crazy..
 
AlwaysThere said:
“Smooth Criminal” too, for the average fan lol
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Fun fact, "Annie" in "Smooth Criminal" refers to a dummy which is used by the lifeguards during their training. Once they "save" the dummy from drowning during the training, it's a kind of a protocol to ask "Annie, are you ok?".

Now how does this relate to Smooth Criminal? I have no idea, but from what I have read here and there, apparently Mike liked the sound of it. It fits the rhythm of Smooth Criminal. Of course, a part from that rhythmic sentence, there may be other things behind the lyrics too.
 
rolerprod said:
the only logical answer is that this is done in a pirated illegal way but its so public that the estate must know this is happening so its weird how they just let it happen and not sue people left and right.
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I didn't even think of that. That is how naive - and honest - I am. But if it is illegal stuff happening in plain sight, I agree, how can the estate just stand aside and let it happen? I get that they have a lot of stuff to deal with but you surely can't let something like this go? Surely you step in and challenge it? You'd have the law on your side. Either it's happening legally, in which case they are all mad, or it is all illegal in which case they are being derelict in their duty of care towards Michael's estate.

rolerprod said:
im pretty sure that the pav&mj song was fake and i know they sold the bible jason malachi album in an auction and that makes sense for the estate to not act on
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Yes, this is does make more sense.

rolerprod said:
but CGYWOOM is 100 precent mj singing how did that even go up on sale? crazy..
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I'm just 🤔 perhaps with a side order of 😨
 
zinniabooklover said:
I didn't even think of that. That is how naive - and honest - I am. But if it is illegal stuff happening in plain sight, I agree, how can the estate just stand aside and let it happen? I get that they have a lot of stuff to deal with but you surely can't let something like this go? Surely you step in and challenge it? You'd have the law on your side. Either it's happening legally, in which case they are all mad, or it is all illegal in which case they are being derelict in their duty of care towards Michael's estate.


Yes, this is does make more sense.


I'm just 🤔 perhaps with a side order of 😨
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problem with the illegal theory is that if these songs are auctioned at legit places they need to supply the buyer with certificates and shit to let them know its legit, don't think you'd print out certificates for something you sell on the DL so again more confusion hopefully someone here knows a bit more on whats actually going on
 
rolerprod said:
problem with the illegal theory is that if these songs are auctioned at legit places they need to supply the buyer with certificates and shit to let them know its legit,
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That's a good point. Something else I didn't think about. No legit auction house is gonna take any item if the seller can't show the provenance and legal ownership. We're not talking about a dodgy chancer flogging stuff out of a suitcase round the back of a pub, lol.

rolerprod said:
don't think you'd print out certificates for something you sell on the DL so again more confusion
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You totally would do that, wouldn't you?

rolerprod said:
hopefully someone here knows a bit more on whats actually going on
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oh god, I really hope someone will come along who can shed some light on this or suggest a plausible theory of what might actually be going on here. I'm still SO confused.
 
Fuzball said:
Well, only the physical item's been auctioned. No transfer of any copyright included.
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what do you mean, it says here it was auctioned but not sold they still have to verify its legitimacy and make sure they can sell it in the first place and by the way thats not the only unreleased ive heard been sold in an auction
 
filmandmusic said:
Don't be messing round is supposedly reworked for each studio album since off the wall. This would be very interesting to hear chronologically
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Yeah I really wonder It too.We only have Thriller And Bad Era versions:
Thriller Version(Ignore that it says Bad Era)
Bad Version
Alright so I will continue this list:
TitleWriterMethod Of AcknowledgementNotes
Get To Know You
Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins
Existence Confirmed by Rod Michael
Worked on between 1999 and '2007 during the Invincible sessions. Track given to Ledisi on her Lost & Found album; Fully complete version known to exist.
Ghost of Another Lover
Michael Jackson
Song title listed on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Written and recorded in 1989 during the Dangerous sessions and 1993-4 during HIStory sessions. Fully complete versions for both sessions are known to exist.
Hanson
Michael Jackson
Mentioned by Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead in their 2007 book.
Produced in mid-1998 and considered for Invincible; early demo of "(I Like) The Way You Love Me". Possibly among certain demos auctioned to a private collector in 2018.
Heaven Is There
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 1991. Also known as "Heaven Is Here".
He Who Makes the Sky Grey
Jermaine Jackson, Sheik Abdullah of Bahrain
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2005
Higher Ground
Stevie Wonder
Existence confirmed by Donny Osmond in a 2003 interview.
Recorded in 2003.
Hot Fun in the Summertime
Sly Stone
Unknown
Cover of Sly Stone song, recorded in 1993 with Mary J. Blige and D. Angelo; a new version made in 2012 was planned to appear on Xscape but was ultimately cut.
I Am a Loser
Michael Jackson, Brad Buxer
Song title listed on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Written and recorded in 2003; early version of "I Was the Loser"; alternatively known as "The Loser".
I Can't Get You Off My Mind
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded sometime in the early 1970s; an acetate demo recording is known to exist.
Is She Coming Back
Michael Jackson
Song title listed on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Recorded in 2001. A fully complete version is known to exist. Features Michael on Piano
It Doesn't Really Matter
Michael Jackson, Bill Bottrell
Unknown
Written and recorded in 1989 for a shelved greatest hits compilation entitled Decade. Early version of "Who Is It".
It's Not Worth It
Lawshawn Daniels, Fred Jerkins III, Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins
Snippet played during an Instagram Live video by Rodney Jerkins in March 2020.
Recorded around 2000 during the Invincible sessions but shelved; the song would later be given to Brandy Norwood for her upcoming album Full Moon, on which Jackson would sing backing vocals. It is known that the Jackson version was not a writer's demo but a full-fledged song in its own right.
It Was A Very Good Year
Ervin Drake, Michael Jackson
Mentioned by Cadman and Halstead in their 2007 book.
Likely a studio version of the same cover that Jackson sang live in 1971 on Diana Ross' ABC Diana! television special. While the live version can still be found on various websites, this version remains lost.
I Was the Loser
Michael Jackson
Song title listed on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Alternatively known as "The Loser", as is its earlier version, "I Am a Loser" (mentioned above).
In the Valley
Michael Jackson
Listed during the 1993 deposition.
Written sometime between 1990 and 1993; recorded with Tyrese Gibson in 2000 during the Invincible sessions; while working on this song, Jackson found the song "2000 Watts" and included it instead on Invincible.
Innocent Man
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 1993 during the HIStory sessions as a commentary on Jackson's child molestation charges.
Iowa
Michael Jackson
Mentioned by Janet Jackson in an interview.
Recorded in 1977; stated by Janet to exist as a tape recording in the Jackson parents' house.
Jane Is a Groupie
Unknown
Heard in Brad's "In The Studio with MJ", leaked in 2018.
Recorded in 1989; Early version of "Give In To Me".
Joy
Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley
Mentioned by Riley in an interview.
Written and recorded in 1991 during the Dangerous sessions; later re-recorded by Blackstreet for their 1994 debut album.
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Also does anyone have this list of songs that found on Michael's bedroom photo or list would be great:)
 
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Arif Emirhan Alkan said:
Yeah I really wonder It too.We only have Thriller And Bad Era versions:
Thriller Version(Ignore that it says Bad Era)
Bad Version
Alright so I will continue this list:
TitleWriterMethod Of AcknowledgementNotes
Get To Know You
Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins
Existence Confirmed by Rod Michael
Worked on between 1999 and '2007 during the Invincible sessions. Track given to Ledisi on her Lost & Found album; Fully complete version known to exist.
Ghost of Another Lover
Michael Jackson
Song title listed on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Written and recorded in 1989 during the Dangerous sessions and 1993-4 during HIStory sessions. Fully complete versions for both sessions are known to exist.
Halloween Night
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2004; features a guitar solo by Slash.
Hanson
Michael Jackson
Mentioned by Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead in their 2007 book.
Produced in mid-1998 and considered for Invincible; early demo of "(I Like) The Way You Love Me". Possibly among certain demos auctioned to a private collector in 2018.
Heaven Is There
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 1991. Also known as "Heaven Is Here".
He Who Makes the Sky Grey
Jermaine Jackson, Sheik Abdullah of Bahrain
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2005.
Higher Ground
Stevie Wonder
Existence confirmed by Donny Osmond in a 2003 interview.
Recorded in 2003.
Holiday Inn
Michael Jackson
Registered with U.S. Copyright Office in 1984.
Written in 1976 and recorded in 1984.
Hollywood
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2000, reworked in 2006; unrelated to "Hollywood Tonight".
Hot Fever
Michael Jackson
Registered with U.S. Copyright Office in 1985.
Written and recorded in 1985; early version of "The Way You Make Me Feel". Melody is identical to Hot Street
Hot Fun in the Summertime
Sly Stone
Unknown
Cover of Sly Stone song, recorded in 1993 with Mary J. Blige and D. Angelo; a new version made in 2012 was planned to appear on Xscape but was ultimately cut.
House of Style
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded in 2002.
I Am Forever
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and recorded in 2009; early version of "Best of Joy".
I Can't Get You Off My Mind
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Recorded sometime in the early 1970s; an acetate demo recording is known to exist.
I Don't Live Here Anymore
Michael Jackson
Unknown
Written and Recorded circa 2001 as a promo for a shelved 2002 album; alternatively known as "I Don't Live Anymore".
I Forgive You
Michael Jackson
Listed during the 1993 deposition.
Written sometime prior to 1993 and recorded in 2007, possibly with will.i.am.
I Love You
Michael Jackson
Mentioned by Jackson.
Written and recorded in 2004; stated to be Jackson's personal favorite song about love.
I Love You More
Michael Jackson
Mentioned by Jackson.
Written and recorded in 2005 as a continuation of "I Love You"; features Britney Spears; alternatively known as "I Love You Too".
Is She Coming Back
Michael Jackson
Song title listed on a note in Jackson's bedroom.
Recorded in 2001. A fully complete version is known to exist. Features Michael on Piano
To Be Continued...
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A good chunk of that is fake, the info on Is She Coming Back is unknown. Hollywood is really just an alternative title of Hollywood Tonight. I Love You, I Love You More, I Forgive You, I Don't Live Here Anymore, House Of Style, Halloween Night, I Am Forever are fake and Hot Fever is really just the working title of TWYMMF.

Arif Emirhan Alkan said:
Also does anyone have this list of songs that found on Michael's bedroom photo or list would be great:)
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Ways You Love Me
The Loser
Lady Of Summer
Is She Coming Back
D.I.E
Dark Lady/H2O
Bottom Of My Heart
Hold My Hand
Remember What I Told You
Can't Stop Lovin' You
Silent Spring
You Were There
Hollywood Tonight
Shut Up And Dance
Rock Tonight
Too Late To Turn Back Now
Adore You
Breath
I Am That One
Everybody Wants To Be A Movie Star
Beautiful Girl
Don't Walk Away
Melodie Now (?)
MJ Barry Gibb song
Coco Butter
Scared Of The Moon
Cheater
Ghost Of Another Lover
Thank Heaven
Gloucestershire
Lonely Bird
Broken Chair
Red Eye
Best Of Joy
Throwing Your Life Away
Leaving Today To Behind
 
filmandmusic said:
I also still have hopes for more finished versions of in the back and beautiful girl
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In The Back is always one I've hoped there was a more complete version. When taking into account that they picked what they considered to be the best version of each song to go on The Ultimate Collection that reality doesn't seem likely.
 
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