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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Korgnex said:
If it wasn't obvious, you just made it clear to everyone you think of your doing as some weird sort of d*ck-measuring-contest. Except there's no competition.

All this talk about collectors, gatekeeping and then look at you - a file trader - you just behave and act the same way that you and some of your pals are accusing and ridiculing serious collectors of. And they don't even do what you accuse them of.

It is just you doing all this nonsense:
- You're spreading (mostly) false and misleading info about unreleased work - from hearsay.
- You act like you are in possession of this material and make people anticipating a leak to follow. That's the worst thing you can actually do to a community because people often get very emotional when there's a carrot in front of their faces and they can't reach it.
People were expecting leaks for MJ's birthday this year. You made them wait and wait. That's not cool.
And here they are again. Waiting for Christmas this time? I dunno. Not cool, dude.

- You act like you know what other people have or don't have. As if any person on earth would be able to know such stuff.
- You are actually gatekeeping the snippets that are circulating for very obvious reasons. Gatekeeping snippets, think about it...
- Korg, Korg, Korg... Everything has to do with me. Whenever something leaks, whenever someone claims something, it has to do with Korg. It's all Korg's collection, it must be. Oh and his collection actually sucks, lmao.

You got some serious issues with me for no reason. You know zilch about me. I don't care about haters, they always exist and they always come up with crap.

You're different though, you keep on highlighting and feeding the most horrible aspect of this community. You give priority to jealousy, prejudice, greediness and abysmal hatred towards other individuals. And the development of this thread plus a minority of its readers acting like badly brought up children shows this.

So, as others have rightfully asked due to your continous trolling: Is gatekeeping and trolling the community WITH OBTAINED SNIPPETS the new standard? How more low can you go?


This is why I am calling you out for bullshitting & trolling with the community.
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Well said.

This thread is an absolute pot-hole because of the same 5 or 6 posters.
 
Korgnex said:
If it wasn't obvious, you just made it clear to everyone you think of your doing as some weird sort of d*ck-measuring-contest. Except there's no competition.

All this talk about collectors, gatekeeping and then look at you - a file trader - you just behave and act the same way that you and some of your pals are accusing and ridiculing serious collectors of. And they don't even do what you accuse them of.

It is just you doing all this nonsense:
- You're spreading (mostly) false and misleading info about unreleased work - from hearsay.
- You act like you are in possession of this material and make people anticipating a leak to follow. That's the worst thing you can actually do to a community because people often get very emotional when there's a carrot in front of their faces and they can't reach it.
People were expecting leaks for MJ's birthday this year. You made them wait and wait. That's not cool.
And here they are again. Waiting for Christmas this time? I dunno. Not cool, dude.

- You act like you know what other people have or don't have. As if any person on earth would be able to know such stuff.
- You are actually gatekeeping the snippets that are circulating for very obvious reasons. Gatekeeping snippets, think about it...
- Korg, Korg, Korg... Everything has to do with me. Whenever something leaks, whenever someone claims something, it has to do with Korg. It's all Korg's collection, it must be. Oh and his collection actually sucks, lmao.

You got some serious issues with me for no reason. You know zilch about me. I don't care about haters, they always exist and they always come up with crap.

You're different though, you keep on highlighting and feeding the most horrible aspect of this community. You give priority to jealousy, prejudice, greediness and abysmal hatred towards other individuals. And the development of this thread plus a minority of its readers acting like badly brought up children shows this.

So, as others have rightfully asked due to your continous trolling: Is gatekeeping and trolling the community WITH OBTAINED SNIPPETS the new standard? How more low can you go?


This is why I am calling you out for bullshitting & trolling with the community.
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Keep yapping and I’ll post more of your collection
 
Korgnex said:
If it wasn't obvious, you just made it clear to everyone you think of your doing as some weird sort of d*ck-measuring-contest. Except there's no competition.

All this talk about collectors, gatekeeping and then look at you - a file trader - you just behave and act the same way that you and some of your pals are accusing and ridiculing serious collectors of. And they don't even do what you accuse them of.

It is just you doing all this nonsense:
- You're spreading (mostly) false and misleading info about unreleased work - from hearsay.
- You act like you are in possession of this material and make people anticipating a leak to follow. That's the worst thing you can actually do to a community because people often get very emotional when there's a carrot in front of their faces and they can't reach it.
People were expecting leaks for MJ's birthday this year. You made them wait and wait. That's not cool.
And here they are again. Waiting for Christmas this time? I dunno. Not cool, dude.

- You act like you know what other people have or don't have. As if any person on earth would be able to know such stuff.
- You are actually gatekeeping the snippets that are circulating for very obvious reasons. Gatekeeping snippets, think about it...
- Korg, Korg, Korg... Everything has to do with me. Whenever something leaks, whenever someone claims something, it has to do with Korg. It's all Korg's collection, it must be. Oh and his collection actually sucks, lmao.

You got some serious issues with me for no reason. You know zilch about me. I don't care about haters, they always exist and they always come up with crap.

You're different though, you keep on highlighting and feeding the most horrible aspect of this community. You give priority to jealousy, prejudice, greediness and abysmal hatred towards other individuals. And the development of this thread plus a minority of its readers acting like badly brought up children shows this.

So, as others have rightfully asked due to your continous trolling: Is gatekeeping and trolling the community WITH OBTAINED SNIPPETS the new standard? How more low can you go?


This is why I am calling you out for bullshitting & trolling with the community.
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This is equal parts hypocritical....and equal parts completely right.

Can't believe I'm agreeing with you for once.
 
Alright. I think it's time to go back to what this thread is really about - unreleased songs.

We've already heard that "Ask Rene 3" is an early version of 2 Bad. Could "Ask Rene" from the handwritten '91 Dangerous to-do list refer to Time Marches On? We all know that the track was created by Bruce and Rene Moore.
 
ToMi said:
Alright. I think it's time to go back to what this thread is really about - unreleased songs.

We've already heard that "Ask Rene 3" is an early version of 2 Bad. Could "Ask Rene" from the handwritten '91 Dangerous to-do list refer to Time Marches On? We all know that the track was created by Bruce and Rene Moore.
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It's likely that's the case.
 
Pentum said:
I prefer "melting pot of lies", more fitting 🤗

Strongest unleaked song IMO.
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rocker is a strong track i can't lie, just judging by the amount of vocals included. it's also impressive it's that complete for an early 2000's track after invincible.
i hope it leaks......
 
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Tyler446 said:
rocker is a strong track i can't lie, just judging by the amount of vocals included. it's also impressive it's that complete for an early 2000's track after invincible.
i hope it leaks......
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I really wish someone who worked with Michael would talk about the creative process behind this track, what his idea was, any anecdotes, or what he thought and wanted to do with it, etc.

I love Damien's articles on Blue Gangsta, I Am A Loser, DIG, that She Was Loving Me one was incredible too. It'd be amazing if he did the same for these "new" tracks that are coming out now…
 
Beano Wild said:
While I agree with korg to an extent,

Motif in response leaked the vocals korg put a price tag of 200,000 dollars on

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...Nah Motif you can keep this one

@GYWOOM Do you have the Heartbreaker mix from that tape? Can you point out if there's any differences between the released version?
 
ChanceToDance said:
...Nah Motif you can keep this one

@GYWOOM Do you have the Heartbreaker mix from that tape? Can you point out if there's any differences between the released version?
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The main difference (which you or anyone here won't care about lol) is the fact that the entire DAT has way more dynamic range than the officially released album

Which in simpler terms, just means it sounds objectively better and more pleasant than the loud mess we got officially, but other than that... it should be the same (ignoring the obvious extra adlibs which you just heard)
 
Saka21 said:
I love Damien's articles on Blue Gangsta, I Am A Loser, DIG, that She Was Loving Me one was incredible too. It'd be amazing if he did the same for these "new" tracks that are coming out now…
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Agreed. IIRC he was gonna write a book about the songs in the vault (not just the ones that were released on "Xscape") but then he focused on the "Faking Michael" podcast instead. I hope he eventually does something with the notes he has, back when "The Toy" was revealed to be included on Thriller 40 he made a whole thread on Twitter about the backstory of the song down to it's first demo to the 2008 re-recording and it was a fascinating read. It'll be a waste if he never does anything with his research.
 
Beano Wild said:
While I agree with korg to an extent,

Motif in response leaked the vocals korg put a price tag of 200,000 dollars on

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Yeah, this furthers my argument that “Heaven Can Wait” features some of MJ’s worst vocals. This sounds painful.
 
ChanceToDance said:
Agreed. IIRC he was gonna write a book about the songs in the vault (not just the ones that were released on "Xscape") but then he focused on the "Faking Michael" podcast instead. I hope he eventually does something with the notes he has, back when "The Toy" was revealed to be included on Thriller 40 he made a whole thread on Twitter about the backstory of the song down to it's first demo to the 2008 re-recording and it was a fascinating read. It'll be a waste if he never does anything with his research.
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I hope he at least does articles for songs in the vault he’s heard with history of them and interviews with collaborators. The casio tracks is done, the series is out and the songs don’t exist anymore. Move on to actual material and use his resources to detail the vault.
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
The main difference (which you or anyone here won't care about lol) is the fact that the entire DAT has way more dynamic range than the officially released album

Which in simpler terms, just means it sounds objectively better and more pleasant than the loud mess we got officially, but other than that... it should be the same (ignoring the obvious extra adlibs which you just heard)
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I was just about to say that, the mix is so much better
 
threepea11 said:
H u h. It seems like Brad had a different selection of songs from his seminars 10-13 years ago compared to the last 5 years. Or it’s just that Time Marches On is on the 2nd laptop
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Actually everything I've heard from his seminars (I've been to more than one) has leaked HQ except the vocally complete TYLA and Jane is a Groupie.
 
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