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  1. troubleman84

    Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    Am I reading things or are some people willing to believe Michael had a drug problem over a sleeping problem or...? This is just hypothetical here, not trying to accuse anyone of anything. I think both sides are responsible for this confusion. How would anyone if once Putnam presents his case...
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    Paris Jackson Rushed to Hospital After Possible Suicide Attempt

    Re: Paris Jackson Possible Suicide Attempt Rushed to Hospital SHE IS OK She's hanging out with snakes, what she expect? For fans to shut up and just ignore it? This is exactly my problem. And why I finally said what I said today. People are wanting to pick sides. This is all about Paris...
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    Paris Jackson Rushed to Hospital After Possible Suicide Attempt

    Re: Paris Jackson Possible Suicide Attempt Rushed to Hospital SHE IS OK I just like to thank TMZ for being the creeping douchebags that they are making up a story just so they can get hits on their pages and posts from MJ fans who just happen to be messengers. But I'll tell you, the TONE...
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    It may take a while... I find something real interesting, if you counted shipments (thanks for the correction by the way, I admit I was off base with that) on albums by MJ, Elvis and the Beatles, all of their numbers appear much lower. The Beatles (136 million, roughly) and Elvis (112 million)...
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    One guy on UK Mix argued that Sony is being lazy with some figures. :mellow:
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    OK, I found this info from MJDangerous on UK Mix (this was around 2009-ish): ---- So before he eventually reached 69.25 album shipments, the shipment total was 65 million. As you can see, the Motown album sales weren't much (sadly) to brag about.
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    That's confusing because there's no telling how much Elvis' albums really sold (if we're gonna go with that theory). It only went platinum two years ago. So we don't know how much it sold. It probably only did sold just a million. Rock albums weren't selling like jazz/standard albums. Shoot...
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    Going back... The RIAA only certified gold for albums that sold over a million units back in the late 1950s. Elvis' first several albums weren't giving its certs until after 1966 and even then it was only "gold". They updated to "platinum" over 45 years later (2011). By the time Michael...
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    Belafonte's album was the top-selling album of 1956 according to Billboard. Elvis' albums got the gold cert in 1966 and platinum in 2011.
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    I'm gonna have to re-check those Beatles and Elvis figures then to see if someone edited them, if so I'll edit them back because you can edit anything on Wikipedia (which is a blessing and a curse lol). OK, so it's 69 million for MJ but of course the RIAA credited 75 million units. That's why...
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    Also, like I said, going back on topic, Epic had a demand in shipments for Michael's albums, therefore his albums shipped more than his predecessors.
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    MTV only had one type of set list. CBS kinda forced their hand to play it due to its popularity. I don't know how MTV made any artist popular. Like take Hall & Oates for instance. They were considered one of the early faces of MTV but like MJ, they obviously didn't need them. Their videos...
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    Like I said, Michael was in a label (Motown) that prior to the arrival of "the album" sold on how catchy their songs were with everybody. When you're marketable and good looking, you'll get coverage. Considering the J5 got their own cartoon show and appeared in their own commercials, I say that...
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    Of course Elvis got it easier than MJ in the regards of the industry but don't think it was all that easy, he was good looking and marketable in the same way Harry Belafonte was good looking and marketable (his "Calypso" album was actually the best-selling album of 1956, not any of Elvis'...
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    I meant "lucky" in terms of the exposure he got on TV. MTV wasn't even a big channel. They still dealt with racism after Michael got his videos on there. Rick James brought it up in 1983, a few months after "Beat It" and "Billie Jean" got on the channel and Prince got on. But according to Rick...
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    NOTE, FOLKS: The United States certifies albums on SHIPMENTS (and units maybe in the case of "double, triple, quadruple-set albums"), not actual sales. SO stop saying Elvis or Michael "sold" that much. This is coming from their record labels. And Sony owns RCA and Epic so Sony played a hand in...
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    ^ Because they update the numbers of shipments for Elvis. It's not unusual.
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    Well actually, what worked in Michael's favor was MTV. MTV wasn't that popular when Michael's videos started getting popular. Like I said, Michael benefited more than Elvis and the Beatles did. Elvis went through barriers though: being a "hillbilly" doing rhythm and blues music (rockabilly) was...
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    Of course. That's what I was trying to point out when compared to Michael. MJ sold a lot on less than Elvis did considering how much stuff they put out on him.
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    Michael is certified as the 7th best selling artist in the United States by the RIAA

    And worldwide, of course, there were fewer markets when Elvis and the Beatles were popular because only a handful (in only the Western world) sold music (U.S., Canada, UK, West Germany, Italy and Australia). Other countries slowly jumped to take part by the late 1960s. Anyway, here's the...
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