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I just wanted to throw out there that my first impression of why there was a weight difference was hydration state... upon autopsy he was likely VERY hydrated, given the amount of fluids CM allegedly gave him, and backed up by the 500 mL of urine present (which itself would weigh over a...

Re: Let's send a big thank you to David Walgren and ms Brazil {DONATIONS ASKED} Thanks for calling the new york number... it appears to be accurate since that's the number w/his journal Anesthesia & Analgesia and Columbia university... this is the only info columbia seemed to have: Title...

Re: MSNBC to air Conrad Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor" at 10 p.m. ET Friday Nov I can't believe this... media & haters have me once again losing so much faith in humanity :no: I just hope many people don't actually watch this travesty of lies/hate... I honestly can't see...

Re: Let's send a big thank you to David Walgren and ms Brazil {DONATIONS ASKED} Done! :D Also voted for sending some to the wonderful Dr. Shafer :wub:

thank you guys so much :hug: :flowers:

i was under the impression the fingerprint stipulation the defense & pros agreed to stated that the lack of fingerprints specifically did not mean a person did not touch something... :unsure: so that they cannot use the lack of fingerprints as evidence???

first off, thank you to everyone who has posted updates for the past week!!! i have had exams these two weeks and have been unable to watch the trial, but have read on here so again, thanks :flowers: i am at a complete loss as to why white says that lorazepam can't get into the stomach via...

Interesting (& not at all surprising) things I found about Dr. Shafer vs. Dr. White... Dr. Shafer: Just like how he refuses to take money for testimony, he refuses to take money from Big Pharma, in spite of his major interests being in pharmacology! (such a good doc! :wub:)...

good question. if that's true, how is he supposed to fully explain his theories? this is crap that they can't just make murray testify as to what he did and then go off that.

are you talking about Dr. White?

yes, i kind of summarized it in my post: basically, drop in blood pressure is the main cardiovascular effect, in addition a decrease in the force of the heart muscle can happen. these effects can indirectly lead to an increase in heart rate to compensate (but it also said or maybe a decrease...

i just posted a partial answer in the day 15 thread, sorry i didnt see it here :( i could move it here if you'd like? am i allowed to answer a question in here, i don't really think i'm a medical "expert"? i am a 2nd year medical student, but the info i got was from an anesthesiology textbook...

i hope this helps (sorry this is going to be long, I'd rather not interpret the text so I will just copy)... it's from Miller's Anesthesia, 7th edition... the major cardiovascular effect is a drop in blood pressure, and if you have pre-existing cardiac problems, this can lead to bad stuff...

i agree, especially if the insurance company wanted records of care he surely couldn't show them what he was doing! although i think he could have also destroyed the records after the fact too to conceal it, since before he probably didn't think he'd get caught. does anyone know if it is...

which would be 16 mL based on michael's weight at 2.5 mg/kg, still not possible. besides, this is not a "study", it is a case report from 2001 where the authors (doctors? ph.ds? toxicologists? undergrads?) make their best guess based on their clinical expertise and the evidence as to what...

i didn't find my answer the nvm was a wrong post in reply to something else, sorry. in the case here they said he administered 2.5 mg/kg, which = 230 mg right? is that really applicable in this case?

yes, true... so easy to lose sight of these things! let's hope walgren emphasizes this on redirect as that point wasn't explicitly made yet. i really hope walgren addresses all the answers chernoff did not allow Dr. Shafer to give (except for yes/no) today, as there was so much relevant...

oooops nvm

please enlighten me as to how this disproves what Dr. Shafer said, as I am apparently not seeing it... the article says that death occured due to apnea, but then doesn't account for any metabolism after the decedent stopped breathing, right? it says the decedent died "immediately...

can you please link the study again? i can't find it :( also, could you explain the relevance of this study to this case, or show me where you have previously posted, sorry i just can't find it somehow