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  1. Black Orchid

    Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Exactly my thoughts. I mean, he was no little kid back then, he visited Neverland at the age of 10, 11...14 (by the way, was this confirmed by anyone?). How is it possible, that he couldn't remember that the train station did not exist for all these years? And his family (and he surely had...
  2. Black Orchid

    Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Thats what I feared...we need an official statement by Urquidez Construction.
  3. Black Orchid

    Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Could you please share the concerned articles? I just saw images here in this thread - and those pics are simply not enough evidence (and also wouldn't be in court, as pictures can be easily manipulated, especially nowadays). And to your second question: As I had written in a previous post...
  4. Black Orchid

    Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    As I said before, pictures are not enough to prove this claim, as you could easily take a picture from 1988 and write "1993" on it.
  5. Black Orchid

    Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    The train station thing could really be a turning point in this whole case! But we need absolute proof. No "I believe it was built then or then..." from some visitors and no pictures, that's not enough, because we should present it to non-fans and the press as an undeniable fact. A written...
  6. Black Orchid

    Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    No. I actually don't see anyone who had seen the doc talking about enjoyable sexual relationships between a grown men and a child at all, except some fans and pedophiles. Thats what I meant with conspiracy theories. People who saw LN are disgusted by it, they don't go "Oh, well, it seemed they...
  7. Black Orchid

    Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    I don't get what you're trying to say here. Coincidence or not, what has that to do with racism or trying to normalize pedophila? I didn't say that that there's no bigger picture behind this, like, for example, trying to distract from Weinstein. Could be (but the pictures wih Oprah and...
  8. Black Orchid

    Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    I don't believe in this "normalizing paedophilia agenda" thing. Its of course a goal of some paedophiles (not all of them!), but I consider it way too far-fetched to believe that normal people support that or are even aware that some stuff Reed said is very similar to what NAMBLA members say. It...
  9. Black Orchid

    Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Thanks to both of you, couldn't find anything an twitter and instagram about this. I am a fan of her music, but, besides believing their story, its very strange to say that it did not kill them...I mean, most victims of child abuse survive and marry and have a family later in their life, thats...
  10. Black Orchid

    MJ as the 3rd best selling artist of all time?

    Re: Garth Yep. 98 % of Europe don't know who that guy is and never heard of him. Same I guess with Asia and Africa.
  11. Black Orchid

    MJ as the 3rd best selling artist of all time?

    I don't know any exact numbers, but Michael's music catalogue is much smaller in comparison to both of them (e.g., the Beatles released 13 successful albums between 1963 and 1970!). And although Elvis died so many years ago, they constantly release new material or compilations. So that...
  12. Black Orchid

    MJ as the 3rd best selling artist of all time?

    As far as I know, Elvis and the Beatles sold more than Michael (with over 1 billion for Elvis). But these are older estimates from the time when Michael was still alive, so the order may have changed since then. Keep in mind that Elvis and the Beatles were also global superstars, and they were...
  13. Black Orchid

    Much Too Soon - Discussion

    I can't find it on YouTube. :( Please, can someone pm me?
  14. Black Orchid

    Much Too Soon - Discussion

    Re: Much Too Soon - full version leaked Could someone send me this song, please?
  15. Black Orchid

    Do you believe in life after death?

    Yes, I do believe!
  16. Black Orchid

    Keep Your Head Up( from the new album)

    Completely agree with this. :yes:
  17. Black Orchid

    Keep Your Head Up( from the new album)

    It absolutely sounds far more 'michaelish' than BN. :yes: But I'm still not completely convinced it's really MJ. There are some moments where I go "Yeah, it sounds very much like him". But then there are parts where the voice sounds a little strange, with a certain tone that I've never heard...
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