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I think it’s the worst. At least with 05 as had a fair trial and acquittal.

Moving back on topic: One of the things that’s been troubling me lately is understanding why Wade & James (and their families) would lie. I know we think it’s because of their lawsuit against the estate, which I can see why people would think may be motivation to do the doc. But the more...

The problem with social media is anything you post is public and you get bombarded with messages from people who you don’t wish to engage with. Some of us wish to limit our conversations to fans only so this is a good and safe place to do this. As you’ve been told many times if you dont...

Re: Asking ourselves tough questions. [Staff Reminder: Be Respectful!] He used the term sick because of a post that the mods have since deleted where a user said some very sick things to me accusing me of being a paedophile among other things.

I will not be posting at MJJC again, at least not for a while so we can please stop with all the arguing and name calling, I did not mean to instigate this. I thought this was thread was a safe place to express doubts and ask some questions that have been playing on my mind. I would like to...

I’m not advocating for anything. Merely stating an opinion and asking some questions which it is nice to see you have answered instead of just attacking me. Thanks for the detailed response and answers.

That’s ripe coming from someone who disrespects Michaels children at every opportunity. There’s nothing disrespectful about having doubts and concerns as long as they are communicated fairly and rationally, which I have done so.

I suppose I am doing that. In challenging what I feel before was a slightly one sided believe that Michael was innocent I am going for the things that challenge this the most as I feel like up until recently I have ignored facts that go against what I wanted to believe. Whereas all the stuff...

I honestly didn’t want to argue with anyone. I was careful to express myself in the appropriate place on here. I am all about love for Michael I am currently sat at my laptop listening to the masterpiece that is HIStory. Things get heated when people feel so passionately about something. Safe to...

~Quote of offensive post deleted~ Please stop with this insanity before you get yourself banned. I would highly suggest deleting this post because if I don't report it someone else probably will.

Thanks for this reply. You are right in that I do feel the need for information I am never going to get to fully feel like I can believe Michael is innocent. I am quite obsessive and thorough in things like this and to not have the information that could prove/disapprove either way. It's why I...

We aren't talking about the law though. Im talking about what I believe as an individual and as a fan. There are plenty of crimes that go unproven and un-prosecuted and there are plenty of wrongly convicted people. You're using the facts of the legal system to try and control the way people are...

I have made many valid points. You either disagree that they are valid (I am happy to accept that) or you have ignored them. I explained quite clearly what I had learnt about CSA, and about the Chandler case. You obviously feel you have successfully critiqued those points but for me it is not...

You called me a sheep and you implied I wasn’t a real fan. And you have now gone on to prove my point further by calling me more names and using foul language. I am also tired so may have missed some comments but I have answered your questions and on re-reading I can’t see anything I’ve...

Its disappointing you've resorted to behaving like a child and being rude and name calling as I felt like we were having an interesting and mature discussion. This thread is for people to express doubts and ask difficult questions. If everyone who does this is a 'fan' rather than a fan and a...

Fair point, I've made this argument myself when defending Michael. One false allegation opens the doors for more so its a waterfall affect. The counter point is purely that there is such a long list of liars and extortionists now that I do find myself questioning can they really ALL be lying...

In response to what has changed since '05 when I was convinced of his innocence. Firstly the most obvious, further allegations have been made. Secondly, I have done a lot more research on the Chandler case, I had relied purely on in the information circulating in the fan communities before...

No not the doc. What I have read extensively online due to 2 more accusers coming forward. The doc itself did not change my opinion as it didn’t provide any new evidence or facts that I wasn’t already aware of. I respect your opinion but I feel I am being more logical than most fans by...

Again, I won’t argue with anything you’ve said. I do find that all believable and a possible truth. But for me, it doesn’t explain everything enough for me to be 100% convinced any more. I said to everyone I knew after the ‘05 trial that if any one else accused him I would have to accept the...

Not because of LN specifically (I did watch the doc and had mixed reactions to it. Wade came across as the arrogant prick we all believe him to be. James was a lot more convincing and the final scenes with all their family members talking about the revelations and crying was probably the most...