Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

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I've read the last few pages here especially Lightbringers comments. From what I gather here. It is possible that those two are actually speaking the truth... We have zero ammunition to fire back so it could be true.
I've said this before but if others come forward now, there is no going back. The key is in what other guys who spend weeks and months with MJ do now. If something happened there is no more reason to stay silent. So if they stay silent...nothing happened... I think.

No it is not possible because their replacements had the exact same experience they had with mj except for the abuse. they are liars
 

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I've been a MJ fan for over 30 years now and since the 90s have been fed up with these accusations. The Estate should do everything they can to clear things up to the general public and the media or these accusations will fire back every once in awhile. The mistake was made in 1992/1993 with the Chandlers. That's where it all started, that's where it should end by making Chandler talk. They should involve FBI in the rebuttal.
 

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terrell;4245172 said:
Also, I am at work today so I can not talk to certain sites but if anyone can facebook
<cite>https://www.facebook.com/rickandsasha</cite>
they want to know if any money will be given to these guys to do this. They love MJ and they want more info.

I just sent them this list of pages:

here you can find the facts, many of the haters are desperately scared of finding out the reality, they do not want to know the reality, they deny to see the facts, call the fans "truthers" but everything has been said and presented, its like 1993/2005, so here you are:

Michael Jackson - FBI Investigative Files Released
1/ https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2009/december/jackson_122209
2/ https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael Jackson

By https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com:
The Wade Robson Allegations (summary version)
https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2018/09/23/the-wade-robson-allegations/

The 1993 Chandler Allegations (summary version)
https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2018/09/23/the-1993-chandler-allegations-summary-version/

The 2005 Arvizo Allegations (summary version)
https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2018/09/23/the-2005-arvizo-allegations/

Jason Francia (summary version)
https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2018/09/23/jason-francia-summary-version/

By MJJR.net archives – direct veritas project - https://web.archive.org/web/20161028185518/http://mjjr.net:80/content/mjcase/index2.html

By DAILY MICHAEL : http://dailymichael.com/lawsuits/robson-v-estate

By VINDICATING MICHAEL: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com +
VERITAS PROJECT: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/veritas-project/
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https://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/

By MJ TRUTH NOW: https://mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com

By CHARLES THOMSON: https://twitter.com/CEThomson + http://www.charles-thomson.net/index.html

By MJJ JUSTICE PROJECT: https://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress.com

ABOUT THE CHANDLERS by - https://turningthetableonthechandlerallegations.wordpress.com

TWITTER sources:
https://twitter.com/JuliaBerkowitz1
https://twitter.com/andjustice4some
https://twitter.com/Hammertonhal
https://mobile.twitter.com/sanemjfan
https://twitter.com/vindicatemj

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ivy_4MJ
https://twitter.com/TheMJAP
https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts
https://twitter.com/MJJRepository
https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct
https://twitter.com/MJJNews

https://twitter.com/Pezjax
https://twitter.com/damienshields
https://twitter.com/emailraven
https://twitter.com/MJJLegion

https://twitter.com/JoeVogel1&#65279;
 

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BUMPER SNIPPET;4245193 said:
I've been a MJ fan for over 30 years now and since the 90s have been fed up with these accusations. The Estate should do everything they can to clear things up to the general public and the media or these accusations will fire back every once in awhile. The mistake was made in 1992/1993 with the Chandlers. That's where it all started, that's where it should end by making Chandler talk. They should involve FBI in the rebuttal.


I agree. Although Chandler hasn’t wanted to talk, this has gone beyond far enough. 26+ years of constant bullcrap. And the FBI has been accused of covering up for Michael. So yes. They need to be in on the rebuttal also.
 
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If this is not thoroughly and unequivocally rebuked, this will be the final word on MJ's relationships with children.
I think Brett Barnes lawsuit against HBO is a clear rebuke against these claims. If he was also a some kind of "lover" to Michael, shouldn't he also collaborate with W&S? Remember, Safechuck claimed he realize about abuse AFTER learning about Wades lawsuit and also through being a father to his son, SAME as Wade claimed in his lawsuit.
 

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MJJ2theMAX;4245184 said:
Looking online, the general public is far more intelligent than I gave them credit for

Loads of people are sceptical and seeing this as a potential money grab even despite two weeks of intensive press telling us all that there is no longer any doubt as to MJs guilt. People aren&#8217;t buying it

I personally wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if more children came forward now. It&#8217;s irrelevant to me really. The tabloids will pay thousands for a story- all you need to do is say you were abused and no defamation risk as Mj dead. Unless someone highly credible came forward now (with evidence), I think cash grabbers will be discredited
The difference this time is that adult men age 37 and 41 are accusing a dead man. Many people will not just accept that.
 

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In short, they can get away with all the lying under oath, because they claim they protected Michael by lying. And they did so because they were in love with Michael, had a great sex life wih him and were crazy about him and did not realize that there was anything wrong with the relationship. They then did everything to protect him because they loved him so much. They were traumatized when MJ moven on to Culkin and Jordan Chandler, heartbroken. But they still LOVED Michael and thats why they went on to lie about it all these years. Thats what they are arguing and thats what the media is buying and writing about.

This makes the public accept them as credible because they have explained why they lied under oath and lied about everything during all these years. Thats the key here!
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By saying the enjoyed the sex, they can sell the story that the love Michael and protected him because of that. If thee sex was a disaster and violent, they would not be credible in saying they were protecting him all these years.

See where I am coming from?
If they mention Culkins name maybe he will sue as well.
 

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So Robson and Safechuck say that MJ moved on to other kids and that they were jealous. Regardless of actual abuse taking place or not is this true? Did MJ stop giving attention to some boys when they grew older? or is this made up?

I know he still had contact with Culkin even when he was an adult, what about the other kids, did they still have contact with MJ after they became adults?

It's pretty important to know
 

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@Lightbringer I know you don't believe them and I'm aware of the NAMBLA thing but this has so far never been brought up in the press, I don't see why that would change after the doc aired... But it looks like the only piece of defense left for MJ.
 

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marc_vivien;4245204 said:
Event Wendy williams dont believe this doc. Not good for real victims

Wait! Hold up! Wendy Williams is on Michael’s side? You’re joking, right?
 

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KEW MEDIA DISTRIBUTION RECEIVES UNPRECEDENTED GLOBAL BROADCASTER INTEREST IN CHANNEL 4/HBO&#8217;S COMPELLING DOCUMENTARY LEAVING NEVERLAND

[...] Among the line-up of channels which have already acquired the documentary are ProSiebenSAT.1 Group, Network 10 Australia, HBO Latin America, DR Denmark, VPRO Netherlands, SVT Sweden, Channel One Russia, VRT Belgium, TVNZ New Zealand, yes Israel, Amedia TV Russia, YLE Finland, FOX Networks Group Asia, Front Row Filmed Entertainment in the Middle East, RUV Iceland, M6 France, Movistar+ Spain and HBO Europe operating in Central Europe. Additionally, there are a considerable number of deals which are currently in the final stages of negotiation. [...]
 

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Norway's biggest channel (TV and radio) are shutting down MJs music for 2 weeks due to the documentary. Enormous powers behind all of this
 

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Carmour260;4245205 said:
Wait! Hold up! Wendy Williams is on Michael&#8217;s side? You&#8217;re joking, right?
I am not surprise. I told someone that when they posted she would not be. And even what we are going through now, some people are just in shock in what they saw but in a few days they will say 'wait a minute" something is not right".
 

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Dudex;4245206 said:
KEW MEDIA DISTRIBUTION RECEIVES UNPRECEDENTED GLOBAL BROADCASTER INTEREST IN CHANNEL 4/HBO&#8217;S COMPELLING DOCUMENTARY LEAVING NEVERLAND

[...] Among the line-up of channels which have already acquired the documentary are ProSiebenSAT.1 Group, Network 10 Australia, HBO Latin America, DR Denmark, VPRO Netherlands, SVT Sweden, Channel One Russia, VRT Belgium, TVNZ New Zealand, yes Israel, Amedia TV Russia, YLE Finland, FOX Networks Group Asia, Front Row Filmed Entertainment in the Middle East, RUV Iceland, M6 France, Movistar+ Spain and HBO Europe operating in Central Europe. Additionally, there are a considerable number of deals which are currently in the final stages of negotiation. [...]

So basically the entire world is going to air it.
 

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I know part 2 hasn't aired yet, but it is available to download. And I hate to use the buzz word that the media have used, but it is indeed more "powerful" than part 1. This is going to be a problem. The story seems credible in part 2. There needs to be a strong rebuttal.
 

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This is what I find to be more than a coincidence:

1. When the allegations against Harvey Weinstein started to emerge, it was found that he deliberately sent spurious stories about MJ to the press in order to deflect attention from his crimes.

2. The Sundance film festival also showed a documentary about Weinstein's alleged crimes. However no one has been talking about this because they have been concentrating on a one sided character assassination of a dead man.

3. Leaving Neverland is being broadcast in the same week that Weinstein's trial was due to start. I assume when it does actually start we should expect some more disgusting stories about MJ.

4. Weinstein's bff, Oprah has interviewed the protagonists and condemned MJ, but has not presented a similar show related to Weinstein's countless victims.
 

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Thank you. Good lord, and what year('s) does he claim these encounters occurred? I didn't watch LN.

Clearly he was very young, let's for now leave it at that. A 23 year old man STILL believes that it was normal for a grown ass man to act that way with a young boy?

Pause! This is what the doubters and believers need to know. Or well, it seems they know but they believe Wade.

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Really, the fact that he did those complete 360 when the loser didn't get the job says it all. In my book it debunks it all.
You said it right there everything that I want to say about this documentary! Perfect. I think those are all evidence that ppl should know. Or either Wade is retarded. 23 years old man by then should know what is good and what is bad. I will never believe the otherway.
 

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So Robson and Safechuck say that MJ moved on to other kids and that they were jealous. Regardless of actual abuse taking place or not is this true? Did MJ stop giving attention to some boys when they grew older? or is this made up?

I know he still had contact with Culkin even when he was an adult, what about the other kids, did they still have contact with MJ after they became adults?

It's pretty important to know

Why is that so important? People change, friends come and go. We all have had people in our lives who, now, don't play any role anymore in it...

But, for your info, Wade has stated that he was bbq-ing with MJ around 2008, right, guys?!

On a sadder note: the lead vocal of Prodigy (a band I was fond of as an youngster) was found dead today. That is making headlines everywhere. There have been only a couple of articles about LN, but I take it, they have been easily overlooked on this day.
 

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WildStyle;4245211 said:
IThere needs to be a strong rebuttal.
I don’t think people wanna entertain the idea that he was innocent though. They made up their minds in ‘93 and never changed, even when he was as found not guilty on all counts in 2005, they just brushed it off and carried on. Also, God bless Taj for all that he is doing, but I think a relative of MJ making a rebuttal doc is gonna raise people’s eyebrows about its bias.

This thing is massive right now, but this is the eye of the storm, it will blow over eventually. The people who thought he was guilty will keep thinking he was guilty and the people who thought he was innocent will keep thinking he was innocent. And everything will be as it was.
 
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I know part 2 hasn't aired yet, but it is available to download. And I hate to use the buzz word that the media have used, but it is indeed more "powerful" than part 1. This is going to be a problem. The story seems credible in part 2. There needs to be a strong rebuttal.

That's the part where they explain why they always defended him because they were so in love and all that crap? Or has this part not been discussed here yet?
 
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