Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

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Oh there were no experts in the documentary???
Only wade, james and their family members???

What a bad documentary!!! Experts
belong in every documantary in my opinion!

It's so clearly a mockumentary and I'm glad it was a flop for HBO, serves them right. Oprah did her have own little expert apparently, but so far I've heard very little about how all that went on. Hopefully some in the audience saw through it.

Dangerous Tour rehearsals shows how Michael treated his employees. He was incredibly nice and patient, and he didn't once raise his voice. And those rehearsal tapes were never meant to be released to the public, so it's not like Michael was just putting on an act to look good.

Exactly, good point there! Plus This is it, that shows how great he was with his people too.

So that was a pretty shitty interview. The interviewer clearly already believed them and kept talking about it as if it were face. Taj's segment was also pre recorded.

Wait, it wasn't a sit down with both Taj and Reed at the same time after all or is this a different one you speak of?
 
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This is thee same campaign like in the us with cbs.
They simply wanna sell LN and stories about it.
Everthing they care about are ratings and follwering MJ documentarys they can sell were they wanna use LN footage.

Was it relly allowed to show so much MJ footage in the documentary?
 

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myosotis;4245880 said:
Yikes! The second night of “Leaving Neverland” was worse than the first. Only 927.000 people watched. The audience didn’t break 1 million. Oprah’s “After Neverland” did worse–780,000.

An absolute flop in every sense of the word. I honestly expected 10 million viewers plus easily. But this? An absolute catastrophe on their part.
I hope Oprah feels mighty stupid right now. She went all in on this and it failed spectacularly.
 

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An absolute flop in every sense of the word. I honestly expected 10 million viewers plus easily. But this? An absolute catastrophe on their part.
I hope Oprah feels mighty stupid right now. She went all in on this and it failed spectacularly.

exactly!
 

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So, In Newsnight, Taj and Reed were interviewed separately.
Reed seemed to have more time (and Interviewer 'sympathy' ) to me. Interviewer said from the film, 'you get a sense of how devastating this has been to all their family relationships.' (Apparently they are 'all' in therapy).

Things that Reed said that sounded 'odd' to me were:
1. On grooming the families, and especially the mothers: 'Jackson was like a son to them ' (Really???)

2. (On Wade realising the so called abuse after he had children) : For Wade, Michael was like a father figure, and / as well as a former sexual partner (Not sure of his exact words, but putting the two things together sounded odd).

3. (On being asked why the Jackson family / Estate were not included in the film) : 'The lawyers appear in the film and rebut the allegations'.

(which of course they don't as these allegations were never made in MJ's lifetime. Reed sure has his lies 'off pat').

Taj seemed to cover all the bases (money, previous defence of MJ, security cameras at Neverland never picked up anything etc), but he was left with saying ' they have no evidence'. As the interviewer says, all of these allegations relate to times long past, so the interviewer implied that she wouldn't expect there to be any evidence. I don't think he was given enough time to say much / anything about the conflicts within the court case docs.

Taj also said he had only seen clips, and read the transcript of the film, because he'd been on a plane when it aired in the US.

Reed said that Robson had wanted his mother to watch the whole documentary, including the explicit parts, and Joy apparently did watch it all on TV on Sunday night. So nice of a son to put his mother through all that (especially since it is UNtrue!!)

Oh yes, I forgot to say that Reed denied that R or S were being paid anything for the film. He didn't respond to the part of the question that asked about money from the Estate.
 
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Exactly, good point there! Plus This is it, that shows how great he was with his people too.

When the band messes up a little at the end of TWYMMF, Michael just smiles and laughs a little and says ''That's why we rehearse. It's okay, it's okay'' - He must have been awful to work for lol
 

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where can i download LN part 2 crap and the oprah shit?

cansomeone send me links?

mega preferred :)
 

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The BBC2 interview was an outrage!!

Completely and utterly one sided. Reed gets such an easy time - literally no push back at all from the interviewer. She had clearly seen the documentary and was purely using this as her reference point. Quite frankly she was an utter cow. When asked if there was any financial gain from the documentary or estate he partially answered saying that he has made sure the men did not receieve payment - neglecting the fact that they have an outstanding lawsuit on appeal. And if anyone in their right mind believes that this doc is being sold to every major network around the world and W&S stand to receive nothing, then their in denial!

Reed is 100% using the Metoo movement to make this stick. He emphasised that in 2019 we should wholeheartedly accept reports of abuse without question. This is being sold as undeniable truth and the fact that people are confidently reaffirming this is terrifies me.

Taj, again - done his best. It's clear to see that he struggles when faced with difficult questions. He's often hesitant and his rebuttles aren't the strongest. He did throw in that he found it unusual that Wade would ask for an invitation to MJ's funeral, and continue to involve himself w/MJ tributes for years to follow. Despite his efforts the interviewer dimissed this stressing that victims often still have a strong affilation to their abusers after death. It was clear to see that the interviewer was not on his side and even questioned how he would feel if someone was to question the sexual abuse he suffered (he disclosed this during the interview).The more interviews I watch I'm getting a strong sense of snobbery, implying what would we know about the mind of a victim. It's like they are hiding behind complexities of phsychology to fill the wild inconsistencies.


I'm of the opinion that the family should avoid this subject now. I understand that Taj feels a duty to defend MJ but it's not having the desired effect as he's not considered impartial. We need someone representing who is unwaivering in their delivery, completely educated in the current case and is not directly linked to the family. I stress the importance of this as the family are simply not taken seriously as they are perceived to have an agenda to keep MJ's legacy intact.
 
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So apparently three Canadian radio stations dropped Michael's music.

As did one New Zealand station.

I'm starting to get worried, folks.
 

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Oh it's Roger Friedman claiming that about his employees, really how would he even know that? I can never tell really what Roger's goal is. He talked a lot of shit when Mike was alive. But I've now seen several positive pieces by him lately.




That makes a lot of sense yeah. Quite curious that Roger has to bring that up.

Maybe he is referring to when it was stated the employees were not paid for quite sometime and stuck around and worked. I remember this being mentioned back in the day
 

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So apparently three Canadian radio stations dropped Michael's music.

As did one New Zealand station.

I'm starting to get worried, folks.

It's a bandwagon thing. They have legit no basis for doing it. I expect it to be reversed at some point.
 

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Don't watch any media expecting it to be fair, it's not going to be.
I've told you, guilty Michael is a profitable Michael for the tabloids, that's the agenda they've been told to push. Right now we should be celebrating the documentary completely bombing, this is good news that we never could've expected. Tomorrow night it all starts again, but for tonight relax and realise that we got a major victory today.
 
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So I was on Xbox Live and someone joined the party, a person I didn't know but a buddy of a buddy of mine. At that moment I was discussing all this with my friend who's also a huge fan and supporter.

This guy got into the discussion and to make a long story short he said

"I heard you guys mentioning that he was not guilty in 2005. But I did read that a few days after that verdict two jurors started claiming that they regretted the decision and that they weren't so sure they would have decided this again."

And I do recall something along the lines of that but wasn't that just a ridiculous fabricated tabloid story? Didn't the jury members not too long ago say they'd make the exact decision today?
 

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Speed_Demon87;4245930 said:
Heart 80’s U.K. have stopped playing MJ it seems. I’ve heard MJ 3-4 times a day on that station up until Sunday.... then nothing since.
Theres no way that lasts, their whole station is dedicated to 80's. He WAS the 80's.

If any stations do stop playing him it'll be temporary, cant imagine it lasting more than 2 weeks after the documentary has aired all over the world.
 

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Speed_Demon87;4245930 said:
Heart 80&#8217;s U.K. have stopped playing MJ it seems. I&#8217;ve heard MJ 3-4 times a day on that station up until Sunday.... then nothing since.
Ha. Good luck with that. Michael Jackson was the 80's.
I haven't seen any public outcry demanding this, so it seems kinda silly. Again, lets see if this is still the case in a couple of weeks. I'd wager that it won't be.
 

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So sad this TV release was timed for the week of the 10th anniversary of MJ's TII announcement. Not by accident, I'm sure.
 

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So apparently three Canadian radio stations dropped Michael's music.

As did one New Zealand station.

I'm starting to get worried, folks.
Thats nothing compared to what could have happened. This has aired in the US already. No major fallout

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Really? So they are jumping on board now too, showing it on their Amazon Prime service?

Someone please just tell me, how is this possible? The biggest star ever really and his estate who you'd think is very powerful can't do something about this? How's this gonna end? I did my best to remain positive and I'll continue to do so, fear mongering and panic doesn't get you anywhere but.... sigh.

I'll definitely do that. I also took a quick glance at the reviews. I saw things like "the accusers appear very credible and believeable".....right. Majority of reviews had a high star rating there, real sad.

Amazon tends to have fake/paid reviews on many of the items they sell. It wouldn't surprise me if some of those reviews are like that.

Also, you need an HBO subscription to watch it on Prime, so it's behind a hefty paywall.

So that was a pretty shitty interview. The interviewer clearly already believed them and kept talking about it as if it were face. Taj's segment was also pre recorded.

Deliberate media bias, once again... I wish they brought in Charles Thomson or that Danny Oliver guy from earlier.
 

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Have any radio stations made any official announcements that they will/won't be dropping Michael music?
 

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It seems Robson has changed his 'Family Fund' page to reflect the direction his future career appears to be going (now that he's 'relatable and relevant'):


Wade Robson Changes Donation Page After Backlash From Michael Jackson Supporters
Wade Robson has changed the name of a fund set up to collect donations in the wake of HBO airing &#8220;Leaving Neverland.&#8221;

The recently established fund, set up through Hawaii Community Foundation, was originally named &#8220;Robson Family Fund,&#8221; and &#8220;created a powerful way to contribute towards the healing from and prevention of child abuse.&#8221;

Donations started at $250, but the charity did not specifically say where the money would go. Robson and his wife, Amanda, began taking heat online from people suggesting they were trying to cash in on the controversy from &#8220;Leaving Neverland.&#8221;

Tuesday morning, the &#8220;Robson Family Fund&#8221; page was removed and replaced with the &#8220;Robson Child Abuse Healing and Prevention Fund.&#8221; Along with the new name, the page also touts a personal donation from Robson of $10,000.

The charity page also links out to Robson&#8217;s website, which now features lots of resources for sexual abuse survivors, including books, therapy information and tips on meditation.

As we reported, sources close to the estate and family of Michael Jackson believe Robson only participated in the HBO documentary to boost his own fame, and have pointed out inconsistencies over the years in his allegations of abuse regarding the late singer.

https://theblast.com/wade-robson-donation-page-switch-michael-jackson-leaving-neverland/
 
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