Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

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The Same Old Binaries’
For some veterans of the Jackson beat, the more fruitful question isn’t whether the artist was a victim or a predator, but why it’s been so hard for some to accept the possibility that he was both.


I can ask those who believe these liars why is it so hard to see MJ was a victim and a target especially if you look all of the evidence, creditability, lies, story changing, running to lawyers and tabloids and getting PAID to lie and when investigators get involved, the same people CHANGE their stories. Bring this QUESTION as well. For me, I do NOT have a problem seeing if someone can be both but I look that the WHOLE case ever since 1993. And if you look at everything, MJ is the truthful one and everything backs him up. MJ, as the accused, is the one who NEVER LIED and NEVER CHANGE stories and was the one who COOPERATED with authorities. And He was the ACCUSED and guilty accused people do not do such a thing.
 
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This will keep popping up during the year while the Estate do nothing. As the Estate let somebody who is in love with Oprah, who doesn't understand Michael or his art and who believes he was a pedophile work on his official Broadway play. How many more times do the Estate have to prove it to us? They don't care about Michael Jackson the person. Never did.
 

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He got his additional evidence. Safeshmuck says he was molested in the train station. Train station did not exist! Just more proof of the lies.

I agree with you totally. At this point, you even believe MJ or the liars. End of story.
And do not forget James mother's comment of dancing when MJ died which is ALSO clearly a LIE? I keep saying, no one telling the truth will be doing this much lying. And this does not include Wade's lies. geez.
 

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This will keep popping up during the year while the Estate do nothing. As the Estate let somebody who is in love with Oprah, who doesn't understand Michael or his art and who believes he was a pedophile work on his official Broadway play. How many more times do the Estate have to prove it to us? They don't care about Michael Jackson the person. Never did.
I am starting to see why the family have issues with the Estate.
 

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Orth said w/j stories sound so SIMILAR to Jordan Chandler's story Did I read a post on here that wade looked up Jordan Chandler's testimony and emailed tit to himself. That is why they sound so SIMILAR.
 

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Orth said w/j stories sound so SIMILAR to Jordan Chandler's story Did I read a post on here that wade looked up Jordan Chandler's testimony and emailed tit to himself. That is why they sound so SIMILAR.
That woman is just a fool caught in lies about MJ so she can shut up. It is called READING. When I heard her say that I said fool, I read Jordan claims and if I wanted money, I will read his lie and add it to my lie. DUH. Same as her @$$ read it and all of us, Wade and James read it and took notes.
 

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And COURTTV, FIRED Diane Diamond for following her about the case. it was clearly a witch hunt. See, why can't these people tell these stories.
 

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Looks like J5 were included in "Motown's 60th" anniversary afterall. I watched the show and they included MJ in their memoriam, J.LO included J5 in her medley, they showed brief clips of MJ and his bros performing at "Motown 25" and Ne-Yo sang "I'll Be There" in his medley.

This will keep popping up during the year while the Estate do nothing. As the Estate let somebody who is in love with Oprah, who doesn't understand Michael or his art and who believes he was a pedophile work on his official Broadway play. How many more times do the Estate have to prove it to us? They don't care about Michael Jackson the person. Never did.

Sad but true
 

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Looks like J5 were included in "Motown's 60th" anniversary afterall. I watched the show and they included MJ in their memoriam, J.LO included J5 in her medley, they showed brief clips of MJ and his bros performing at "Motown 25" and Ne-Yo sang "I'll Be There" in his medley.



Sad but true

Another lie by the press... why do I get the feeling this keeps happening to make the fans look foolish when they complain?
 

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For some veterans of the Jackson beat, the more fruitful question isn’t whether the artist was a victim or a predator, but why it’s been so hard for some to accept the possibility that he was both.

“It’s more interesting to be trying to push on these things and not keep settling back into the same old binaries and defenses and self-righteousness,” said Margo Jefferson, the author of “On Michael Jackson” and a former Times critic who won the Pulitzer Prize for her book reviews. She is working on a new introduction to her book, inspired by “Leaving Neverland.”

“Can we get wiser about holding conflicting opinions, and feelings, and sets of information in our minds simultaneously?” she asked.

Ugh. Margo Jefferson was probably the biographer who irritated me the most. People like Dimond and Orth are just mouth-breathing knuckledraggers, but Jefferson was capable of much more, and she just threw up her hands and claimed that there was no way to know whether Michael was innocent or not. She much preferred her postmodern concept of him over the man himself. It sounds like she’s back at it, avoiding analyzing the facts in favor of her academic abstractions. I wonder if she can get wiser.
 

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And do not forget James mother's comment of dancing when MJ died which is ALSO clearly a LIE? I keep saying, no one telling the truth will be doing this much lying. And this does not include Wade's lies. geez.

Charles T. Explained it very well how James story when he first realized he was abused developed over the years in the last great episode from the MJcast.
In his very first document he told very interestingly both storys.
He said there that he told his mother in 2005 he was abused plus that MJ was a bad man AND that he first realized he was abused when he saw Wade on the TV.
Then he realized the "mistake" and wrote something like a correction for this document where he ERASED the word "abused" from the 2005 story and went further with this version.

Another lie by the press... why do I get the feeling this keeps happening to make the fans look foolish when they complain?

It's all about Money. They know they get the clicks from MJfans and others with those headlines and I think they were sucessful!

Thats why it is important to always copy a negative article in this or anouther fan forum that everyone can read it there and they don't get their clicks.

When they get their clicks they will continue to whrite and sell crap about MJ cause their ratings tell them that this is sucessful and the people want read and support.

We can't lay trust in what the media wrotes about MJ.
We know from Charles T. that their is a conspiricy against MJ in the media from the 80ies til today.
 
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Charles T. Explained it very well how James story when he first realized he was abused developed over the years in the last great episode from the MJcast.
In his very first document he told very interestingly both storys.
He said there that he told his mother in 2005 he was abused plus that MJ was a bad man AND that he first realized he was abused when he saw Wade on the TV.
Then he realized the "mistake" and wrote something like a correction for this document where he ERASED the word "abused" from the 2005 story and went further with this version.
Yeah. And even if you, for the sake of argument, ignore the first version, the second version still makes no sense. To buy that version, you'd have to believe that:

a. James knew MJ was 'a bad man' but somehow still did not understand he was abused until he saw Wade on tv in 2013. If he did not understand that he was abused, why did he think MJ was a bad man then? And why did Wade's story magically give him this awareness, while Gavin and Jordie's stories didn't?

b. Stephanie Safechuck never bothered to ask her son for clarification about this. So we are to believe that she did not care to know exactly what her son meant. If she inferred what it was, then why didn't she feel a need to hear exactly what happened, or a desire to go to the authorities (beyond her asking James once whether to 'get help')? What kind of parent would react like this?

c. Even though Stephanie was only told MJ was 'a bad man' without further specification, she danced around the room when she heard he died because now he would 'never abuse any other kids'. If James only told her that MJ was ''a bad man' and she never asked for clarification, then how did she know MJ was an abuser? Again, if she inferred he was, why did she never ask James to clarify what happened or go to authorities? Even if she genuinely believed MJ was an abuser, going into party mode and dancing around the room is a bizarre reaction to the news of his death - a sigh of relief, whilst reflecting on everything that had happened, seems much more appropriate.

His story is just such a blatant attempt to get past the statute of limitations. And of course, this is just one of the many red flags.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OMG! I love this! OTW is 40 years old and these guys are jammin' to it. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CelebrateMJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cel ebrateMJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/2Wlf1WVf1y">https://t.co/2Wlf1WVf1y</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1119682084002357248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you want to know about the media&#8216;s mistreatment of Michael Jackson you just have to watch this and keep in mind that they collectively reported that he was booed off stage afterwards. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FactsMatter?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Fac tsMatter</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJinnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJin nocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/nxtNkw0hpT">https://t.co/nxtNkw0hpT</a></p>&mdash; ThePalePrinceOfPeculiarity (@JanaElena27) <a href="https://twitter.com/JanaElena27/status/1119896427134705664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">HBO wants to quietly slip in the word &#8220;alleged&#8221; after NUMEROUS LIES have been widely exposed worldwide about Leaving Neverland. Too late HBO. We warned you about the two men&#8217;s past lies before LN even aired and you gave us the middle finger. We WILL hold you accountable. <a href="https://t.co/eET6v6VCJX">pic.twitter.com/eET6v6VCJX</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1120052690585698305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can&#8217;t wait to read it. <a href="https://t.co/JYGSppAdtx">https://t.co/JYGSppAdtx</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1120217101719855104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I watched the Mowtown 60 special. I was sad to see how MJ wasn't mentioned in their great success. I took this screenshot of when they gave MJ a shout out unfortunately it was only a photo displayed with others who past away while Stevie Wonder sang. &#55357;&#56862; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"># MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjfam</a> <a href="https://t.co/POf6zCHJG6">pic.twitter.com/POf6zCHJG6</a></p>&mdash; MJ-Upbeat (@BonnieLamrock) <a href="https://twitter.com/BonnieLamrock/status/1120163550402613249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We are honored to host Yuko Sumida Jackson tonight in Beijing. She told us Michael Jackson is all about love, and unite us in music and through his big heart, and thus he can't be destroyed by some powers. He lives forever. <a href="https://t.co/eGEnDvBk29">pic.twitter.com/eGEnDvBk29</a></p>&mdash; Keen Zhang (@mkgenie) <a href="https://twitter.com/mkgenie/status/1120008310663471116?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson Forever &#10084;&#65039; <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackso n</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJ58_777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJ58_777</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJFanClub?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJFanClub</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJfan23?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJfan23</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/lolaloulotte1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@lolaloulotte1</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mj?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mj</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Michaeljackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"># Michaeljackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/6iUtRk67mi">pic.twitter.com/6iUtRk67mi</a></p>&mdash; shraey khanna (@shraeyofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/shraeyofficial/status/1119305586900733952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am showing my daughter all of the great Michael Jackson videos. Today she must learn history proper.</p>&mdash; Godfred Akoto Boafo (@eastsportsman) <a href="https://twitter.com/eastsportsman/status/1119629086161276928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you're too young to appreciate Michael Jackson's music, I understand. <br><br>However, it doesn't excuse ignorance. There are tons of documentaries and material about Micheal's life and work. <br><br>Do your studies. You should be able to make informed judgements then.</p>&mdash; FOLA (@TheFavoredWoman) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheFavoredWoman/status/1119531200488648704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">HAPPENING NOW: I love you Michael! After My God, my Jesus, my parents and my children, NO ONE gave me as much joy in life as you. I kissed your statue in Vienna a few minutes ago and the large crowd that gathered applauded. You are still loved. No one can dethrone you! <a href="https://t.co/AuOwHsphwF">pic.twitter.com/AuOwHsphwF</a></p>&mdash; Reno Omokri (@renoomokri) <a href="https://twitter.com/renoomokri/status/1119602929047150593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson is innocent..</p>&mdash; Paul Mooney (@PaulEalyMooney) <a href="https://twitter.com/PaulEalyMooney/status/1119931427313864705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Without <a href="https://twitter.com/iTunes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iTunes</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/Twitter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Twitter</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/facebook?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Facebook</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/instagram?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Instagram</a>, Michael Jackson dominated pop music and reached the most remote villages of the world. With all these devices, <a href="https://twitter.com/Beyonce?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Beyonce</a> hasn&#8217;t replicated the same impact. Only a child sees medicinal herbs and calls it vegetables! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RenosNuggets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Re nosNuggets</a> <a href="https://t.co/WUnBaD1Lic">pic.twitter.com/WUnBaD1Lic</a></p>&mdash; Reno Omokri (@renoomokri) <a href="https://twitter.com/renoomokri/status/1119698774283235331?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Beyonce has sold 17.2 million albums [in internet age]. Michael Jackson sold over 750 million albums. MJ's Thriller alone sold 66 million copies. No one is yet to dethrone King Michael, even in death.</p>&mdash; Ediong (@Ediong) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ediong/status/1119515656649682944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ne-Yo also performed the Jackson 5&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;ll Be There.&#8221; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Motown60?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Motown 60</a> <a href="https://t.co/pEWQjyvUZM">pic.twitter.com/pEWQjyvUZM</a></p>&mdash; No Hipsters Allowed (@nohipstersblog) <a href="https://twitter.com/nohipstersblog/status/1120139869022498816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shit.. Pon further review.. the commitee has decided to cancel it's earlier mis yarn.. MJ the imperial GOAT <a href="https://t.co/aFtMuHP67S">https://t.co/aFtMuHP67S</a></p>&mdash; Yung denzL (@MI_Abaga) <a href="https://twitter.com/MI_Abaga/status/1119875492281294848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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You have to wonder how in the world it's possible that this biographer went from "innocent" to "guilty" all because of LN. All it takes is a few minutes of your time to read up on these two men and how easily it can all be discredited. The logic of some people is just mindblowing in a bad way.
 

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And COURTTV, FIRED Diane Diamond for following her about the case. it was clearly a witch hunt. See, why can't these people tell these stories.

so courttv actually fired her? i didnt know that i thought she quit
 
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Yeah. And even if you, for the sake of argument, ignore the first version, the second version still makes no sense. To buy that version, you'd have to believe that:

a. James knew MJ was 'a bad man' but somehow still did not understand he was abused until he saw Wade on tv in 2013. If he did not understand that he was abused, why did he think MJ was a bad man then? And why did Wade's story magically give him this awareness, while Gavin and Jordie's stories didn't?

b. Stephanie Safechuck never bothered to ask her son for clarification about this. So we are to believe that she did not care to know exactly what her son meant. If she inferred what it was, then why didn't she feel a need to hear exactly what happened, or a desire to go to the authorities (beyond her asking James once whether to 'get help')? What kind of parent would react like this?

c. Even though Stephanie was only told MJ was 'a bad man' without further specification, she danced around the room when she heard he died because now he would 'never abuse any other kids'. If James only told her that MJ was ''a bad man' and she never asked for clarification, then how did she know MJ was an abuser? Again, if she inferred he was, why did she never ask James to clarify what happened or go to authorities? Even if she genuinely believed MJ was an abuser, going into party mode and dancing around the room is a bizarre reaction to the news of his death - a sigh of relief, whilst reflecting on everything that had happened, seems much more appropriate.

His story is just such a blatant attempt to get past the statute of limitations. And of course, this is just one of the many red flags.

You got it.

This one story alone showes that he is not credible and a liar for me.
I also heard the story that Wade reached out to many people who MJ had befriended as children includuing Jordan, Gavin and James to sue the estate together BEFORE he even went on the today show.
So when this is true James would have known about Wades story and that he want to sue the estate for money before he could see him on the Today show.

But I only heard that once somewhere and saw no proof if this is true.
 

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Just heard the gymnist who removed her Michael Jackson routine and song DID NOT get her ususal perfect 10 and her team came in 3rd place. When she did Michael, she always got PERFECT 10. I guess she got boycott for not doing MJ. LOL.
 
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Does someone know or find out since when the carussel with the horses stands in Neverland?

I want to know from when the footage were James is running around in front of it can be.
I think it is from a early date were the carussel stands in neverland cause you can see brown benches in the footage with James I cound not find anywhere in pictures of neverland near the carussel.

You can see the footage with James and the carussel in the LN trailer.
 

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so courttv actually fired her? i didnt know that i thought she quit

Yes, she was FIRED. Also, I missed the Motown 60 anniversary show (fell asleep) but I am curious to see the ratings. If MJ was alive, that ratings would been through the roof for him to show up and we would not be going through this trash right now. If MJ was alive, Wade and James would have never did this nonsense.
 
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Yes, she was FIRED. Also, I missed the Motown 60 anniversary show (fell asleep) but I am curious to see the ratings. If MJ was alive, that ratings would been through the roof for him to show up and we would not be going through this trash right now. If MJ was alive, Wade and James would have never did this nonsense.

Yeah MJ would have made filmes with them as he said it (BUT could not realized it after LWMJ) and the trail and they would be happy, rich and sadified enough.

I think they would have been in a filmproject with them in 2004/05 when the trail would not have happened.

MJ had everthing planned in 2003 in the movie direction and already bought small candian film company in this year and tried to bought marvel again in 2008/09 when youm now the storys from Dieter Weisner.
 
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Does someone know or find out since when the carussel with the horses stands in Neverland?

I want to know from when the footage were James is running around in front of it can be.
I think it is from a early date were the carussel stands in neverland cause you can see brown benches in the footage with James I cound not find anywhere in pictures of neverland near the carussel.

You can see the footage with James and the carussel in the LN trailer.

I think the footage is from 1991 or the years after cause the carussel and the yellow flowers look the same and the beches were near to the castl in the part of the Privat home movies from the Joe Jackson day and the farrys wheel was not build there in the backround of the carussel.
So MJ seamed to get the ferrys wheel after summer 1991.
 

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terrell;4255841 said:
Steve Knopper, author of &#8220;MJ: The Genius of Michael Jackson,&#8221; said the film left him regretting some of his own blind spots. His book, which came out shortly after Robson and Safechuck jointly sued the Jackson estate in 2013, expressed skepticism of their claims and defended Jackson against the allegations from 1993 and 2005.

&#8220;I found it pretty devastating,&#8221; Knopper said of &#8220;Leaving Neverland.&#8221;

He now believes that Jackson was guilty. Or, that is, mostly believes it: &#8220;There is a small part of me that says, &#8216;I still want more evidence.&#8217;&#8221;


This guy is crazy. You followed the 1993 and the 2005 YET he see a doc that is edit, two liars who clearly caught in lies even the mothers, and now u want to think otherwise based on guys who are lying in hopes to get millions that they LOST over the past year even the Judge called out their lies. What is with these people? More evidence? of what? Everything has been done in court and MJ was given no special treatment and now 2 liars out to trash MJ for money after defending him over 20 years you want more evidence? Give me a break. At this point, you even believe MJ or the liars. End of story.

source?

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They eliminated the part where Stevie Wonder paid tribute to MJ in Motown anniversary, they didn't broadcast it ?
 

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Terrell is correct. Dian DEMONd was FIRED!!
I remember when a female lawyer burst her out with being fired on Larry King. She tried to down play it but she could not deny it and tried to move on to something else. Maureen oath is another liar who has been caught in many lies about MJ. As I keep saying, these accusers and people who supports them are always LYING.
 
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