Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

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The letter from the Estate is great, hopefully just a beginning of their figth.

BTW it should get a extra thread, so that you don`have to search for it in this long thread.
 

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Just listened to the HIStory album all the way through for the first time in years.
The lyrics for Smile are supposed to be uplifting but it's such a sad song.:boohoo

I'm sorry this is happening MJ. We're trying to help out but the odds are stacked against us. They won't listen. They don't care.
 

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I am so tired of fan petitions and Estate letters! This has nothing to do with resistance and these things will not bring about any change whatsoever, or at least not to an extent that other activites would. So why bother with them?

Only two brave fans showed up to protest at Sundance. Bless them! But I was so disappointed that there were more police than fans there.

In my opinion there should be real action now:
1. The Michael Jackson Estate must fund and oversee a high quality film or series focused on the rumors that Michael Jackson was sexually interested in children
2. The Michael Jackson Estate should also fund and oversee a film or series highlighting the HUMANITARIAN that Michael Jackson was
3. Fans must cancel their HBO subcriptions
4. Fans should gather outside HBO headquarters and protest
5. Fans should stop arguing with haters (for their own sanity and well being!). Instead ridicule people for wanting desperately to believe that Michael would harm children. Write things like 'lol', 'fake news', 'media propaganda', 'facts matter', 'Go and Research'; use hashtags; share videos and links with information.

Now, of course, every fan does whatever they want to do and think is best. Of course! These are just my convictions and suggestions. But I feel that as fans we could be doing so much more and to better results than bickering with online trolls.

The action from now on must be much more strategic.
 

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I am so tired of fan petitions and Estate letters! This has nothing to do with resistance and these things will not bring about any change whatsoever, or at least not to an extent that other activites would. So why bother with them?

Only two brave fans showed up to protest at Sundance. Bless them! But I was so disappointed that there were more police than fans there.

In my opinion there should be real action now:
1. The Michael Jackson Estate must fund and oversee a high quality film or series focused on the rumors that Michael Jackson was sexually interested in children
2. The Michael Jackson Estate should also fund and oversee a film or series highlighting the HUMANITARIAN that Michael Jackson was
3. Fans must cancel their HBO subcriptions
4. Fans should gather outside HBO headquarters and protest
5. Fans should stop arguing with haters (for their own sanity and well being!). Instead ridicule people for wanting desperately to believe that Michael would harm children. Write things like 'lol', 'fake news', 'media propaganda', 'facts matter', 'Go and Research'; use hashtags; share videos and links with information.

Now, of course, every fan does whatever they want to do and think is best. Of course! These are just my convictions and suggestions. But I feel that as fans we could be doing so much more and to better results than bickering with online trolls.

The action from now on must be much more strategic.

I agree with you.

BUT I have to say that I can't see any network broadcasting a rebuttal video after LeavingNeverland has shown. NO network would want to look they're defending a paedophile. None.
Sadly this show is convincing people beyond doubt that MJ was guilty. They're not interested in the information we have, and unless there is some bombshell nothing will change that.

I actually think that this show is getting so much traction and not being questioned because the foundations have been laid over the last 25 years. The people in charge ALREADY thought MJ was a paedo and they see this documentary as a way to finally prove it. They want the kudos for doing so.

They think MJ paid off victims.
They think he got them drunk.
They think he had child porn on his computers.
They think witnesses have come forward (McManus) telling what they really saw at Neverland.
They think he beat Bubbles.
They think he secret rooms and alarms to prevent being caught.
They think he had sex videos

To be honest I can see exactly WHY these people want to bring MJ down if they believe those stories.

MJ, the Jackson family, and the MJ Estate should have taken definitive action against these stories years ago.

The press are disgusting for what they have done and for what the continue to do, but I and others have crusaded for over 20 years against the media and nothing has changed. They do and say whatever they like with repercussion.
 

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Speaking as a British resident, I thought I would offer a little reassurance about Channel 4. It is not considered one of the primary channels in the same way that BBC1 or ITV is. The most popular programme that the channel hosts is The Great British Bake Off which has a huge following because it has become something of an institution. It usually has around 10 million viewers. Most other programmes struggle to get half that figure. Unless the media really decide to push this heavily before it airs, I can't see it getting that many viewers, apart from those who are particularly interested or have a vested interest. I think alot of people might look at this in their TV guide and feel they have heard it all before.

Having said that, I definitely agree that the estate / family really need to tackle this head in.
 

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The letter from the Estate is great, hopefully just a beginning of their figth.

BTW it should get a extra thread, so that you don`have to search for it in this long thread.

There is a 'Legal cases' Resources thread in Trials and Tribs. It's under there, with other resources relating to the R and S ( and historic) cases

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...-discussion)-Chandler-Arvizo-Robson-Safechuck
 

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MJTruth;4240410 said:
I agree with you.

BUT I have to say that I can't see any network broadcasting a rebuttal video after LeavingNeverland has shown. NO network would want to look they're defending a paedophile. None.
Sadly this show is convincing people beyond doubt that MJ was guilty. They're not interested in the information we have, and unless there is some bombshell nothing will change that.

I actually think that this show is getting so much traction and not being questioned because the foundations have been laid over the last 25 years. The people in charge ALREADY thought MJ was a paedo and they see this documentary as a way to finally prove it. They want the kudos for doing so.

They think MJ paid off victims.
They think he got them drunk.
They think he had child porn on his computers.
They think witnesses have come forward (McManus) telling what they really saw at Neverland.
They think he beat Bubbles.
They think he secret rooms and alarms to prevent being caught.
They think he had sex videos

To be honest I can see exactly WHY these people want to bring MJ down if they believe those stories.

MJ, the Jackson family, and the MJ Estate should have taken definitive action against these stories years ago.

The press are disgusting for what they have done and for what the continue to do, but I and others have crusaded for over 20 years against the media and nothing has changed. They do and say whatever they like with repercussion.
The question is do they really think that. If so maybe it could be an idea to send them this, I think it’s good.


http://reasonbound.libsyn.com/pirat...chael-jackson-allegations#Jv4hl8pYTgF8TDw4.03

But do they really or are they just doing it anyway for money. If so will they really end up making money on that...
 
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MJTruth;4240410 said:
I agree with you.

BUT I have to say that I can't see any network broadcasting a rebuttal video after LeavingNeverland has shown. NO network would want to look they're defending a paedophile. None.
Sadly this show is convincing people beyond doubt that MJ was guilty. They're not interested in the information we have, and unless there is some bombshell nothing will change that.

I actually think that this show is getting so much traction and not being questioned because the foundations have been laid over the last 25 years. The people in charge ALREADY thought MJ was a paedo and they see this documentary as a way to finally prove it. They want the kudos for doing so.

They think MJ paid off victims.
They think he got them drunk.
They think he had child porn on his computers.
They think witnesses have come forward (McManus) telling what they really saw at Neverland.
They think he beat Bubbles.
They think he secret rooms and alarms to prevent being caught.
They think he had sex videos

To be honest I can see exactly WHY these people want to bring MJ down if they believe those stories.

MJ, the Jackson family, and the MJ Estate should have taken definitive action against these stories years ago.

The press are disgusting for what they have done and for what the continue to do, but I and others have crusaded for over 20 years against the media and nothing has changed. They do and say whatever they like with repercussion.

It’s incredibly difficult to respond to every false tabloid story out there. They will continue regardless and all you end up doing is drawing more attention to it, if the Estate or his family responded to them.

The documentary is different and needs a robust response, but each and every tabloid myth cannot have an official response.
 
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Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

So Roger was not telling the truth or he was but HBO just decided to air it anyway. I guess that whole AT&T thing was nothing then.
 

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I think it's time for us to do an organized campaign. Set a time and a date when we will all go on twitter and tweet #BoycottHBO and include that we want fair and factual journalism, not tabloid television. And add #JusticeForMichaelJackson too. Let's make #BoycottHBO TREND!!!!!!!!!!!! Any suggestiions on date and time? We need EVERYONE on board WORLD WIDE tweeting!!!


And since AT & T now owns HBO....we need to start writing letters of complaint to At & T and put pressure on them too!!
 

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So Roger was not telling the truth or he was but HBO just decided to air it anyway. I guess that whole AT&T thing was nothing then.
I think he was telling the truth but they desided to air it anyway.
 

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Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

On the sky news website it states that during a Q and A "Mr Safechuck added that they were not offered any money to take part in the documentary" is this correct?
https://news.sky.com/story/michael-...nd-documentary-with-new-abuse-claims-11618946

Channel 4 'Factual' film makers are not supposed to offer money to anyone who is in the middle of legal proceedings. However, since Channel 4 are not complying with ANY of their own guidance, I suppose it is anyone's guess whether HBO/ Channel 4 paid them, their families and / or their lawyers.
 

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why media describes it " new abuse claims " ?
As I know it's not new.
 

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All of this bullshit has made me dig up all of my old MJ stuff again and look at all the old memories that I put away in storage after MJ died because it was too painful to have them out and be reminded of him being gone. And I shouldn't have done it. All the happy memories just remind me even more that MJ is gone and will never come back and I've just been crying for a day because I miss him SO MUCH. I just wish I could go back to like 1999 or even March 2009 when everything was alright, and just have one of those days be my "Groundhog Day" that I will live again and again for the rest of my life. You know....just keep re-living that again and again until I die and just be happy. This current world is a shitty place to live in. Just mean, money hungry people who dont care about anyone else who have no ethics or morals or digniity or class left. I want a time machine to take me back to when MJ was alive and everything was okay. The only thing I'm glad about is the fact that Michael doesn't have to experience this latest shitstorm by these evil back stabbing idiots. At least he is safe now. I just feel so sorry for his children. It breaks my heart that they have to go through this. But God is watching and one day Wade, James and Dan and those at HBO and Channel 4 and Sundance who participate in this witch hunt, as well as the tabloid writers.....one day they will all get what they deserve and a taste of their own medicine. Trust me, they will. The truth WILL triumph and justice WILL prevail. One way or the other, karma WILL come back to bite them!
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don't understand why the media can't resist making up disgusting lies about Michael Jackson for ratings. The injustices this innocent black man cont to face is heartbreaking. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJIsInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJIsInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/tFqXzns1CC">https://t.co/tFqXzns1CC</a></p>&mdash; Mike Maclean (@Bazukamike) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bazukamike/status/1094166049136742401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lights, Camera, Action. That's all this is bcz James Safechuck &amp; Wade Robson had their day in court. Except Michael Jackson was able 2 tell his details. This is only lies put 2 a production. About as believeable as Star Wars. When you leave the theater remember it's just a movie</p>&mdash; Phillip Corley (@2bphilco) <a href="https://twitter.com/2bphilco/status/1094178424204218369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1) It’s not a film. It’s a two-part reality TV show. Should’ve called it Keeping Up With The Perjurers. <br><br>2) People should not watch it, full stop. It’s the worst form of gutter journalism; four hours of fanciful allegations by documented perjurers, with zero supporting evidence. <a href="https://t.co/Mc1w9rScHX">https://t.co/Mc1w9rScHX</a></p>&mdash; Charles Thomson (@CEThomson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson/status/1094050422128627712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">200,000 views and counting...<br>In a climate of clickbait, sensationalism, and copy-paste journalism, it’s good to see many people still care about facts, research and context. <a href="https://t.co/WpuIEZTm9Z">https://t.co/WpuIEZTm9Z</a></p>&mdash; Joe Vogel (@JoeVogel1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeVogel1/status/1093874520300113927?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, I see it all. &#128591;&#127997; And I have tried to read every message sent. I am truly thankful for the fans. Just know, I am working equally hard to put an end to all this nonsense, once and for all. His legacy will prevail. <a href="https://t.co/hGEmFVr6Li">https://t.co/hGEmFVr6Li</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1093955229748318209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He was the first person I asked. &#128591;&#127997;. Totally agree. <a href="https://t.co/hjZ9fbcnMt">https://t.co/hjZ9fbcnMt</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1093949619820609537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Well, one UK tabloid (the Mirror) is tired of the R/S story already. They've got a new MJ headline today:

Are La Toya and Michael Jackson the SAME PERSON? Conspiracy theory suggests dark sibling secret.

Do they mean it was LaToya doing all those great videos? LOL.

(The Mirror pays money for stories. Wonder who they paid for this one?)

It just shows how desperate these rags are for ANYTHING to write.

Let me think....MJ designed the moon-lander? (Secret inside source says).
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you think you can win, you can win. Faith is necessary to victory. - William Hazlitt <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/quote?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#quote</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WeekendWisdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WeekendWisdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/1cJf491e3a">pic.twitter.com/1cJf491e3a</a></p>&mdash; Tim Fargo &#10084; (@tim_fargo) <a href="https://twitter.com/tim_fargo/status/1093972295205441537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MichaelJackson</a> wasn’t called the “King Of Pop” for nothing. <a href="https://t.co/aym2qvSDGS">https://t.co/aym2qvSDGS</a></p>&mdash; 106 KMEL (@106KMEL) <a href="https://twitter.com/106KMEL/status/1094030645259575298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;We know that HBO is facing serious competitive pressures from Netflix, Amazon and other more modern content providers...&quot; Wow, Michael Jackson's lawyers really know how to annoy HBO... <a href="https://t.co/GTAKAXIKc6">https://t.co/GTAKAXIKc6</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Belloni (@THRMattBelloni) <a href="https://twitter.com/THRMattBelloni/status/1094035231370141696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What's happening to Michael Jackson at the moment is a trial by Social Media. He was acquitted in a court of law, but this is being ignored by people who would rather be a social media prosecutor. I decided to speak about it:<a href="https://t.co/Q21FyfoEqB">https://t.co/Q21FyfoEqB</a></p>&mdash; Pez Jax (@Pezjax) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pezjax/status/1093891364327174151?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson's estate wants HBO to further investigate the two men who accuse the pop singer of molesting them when they were boys in the documentary <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a>. The network says its plans remain unchanged. <a href="https://t.co/HdPokcSxOG">https://t.co/HdPokcSxOG</a></p>&mdash; AP Entertainment (@APEntertainment) <a href="https://twitter.com/APEntertainment/status/1094131297914707968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/JIw83YGixk">pic.twitter.com/JIw83YGixk</a></p>&mdash; Susie (@FreeAtLiberty) <a href="https://twitter.com/FreeAtLiberty/status/1094195113117581313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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1nn5;4240438 said:
why media describes it " new abuse claims " ?
As I know it's not new.

Makes it sound more credible if it&#8217;s new. If they said &#8220;these are 6 year old allegations that have been dismissed in court&#8221; it wouldn&#8217;t sound as good would it?
 
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Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Well, one UK tabloid (the Mirror) is tired of the R/S story already. They've got a new MJ headline today:

Are La Toya and Michael Jackson the SAME PERSON? Conspiracy theory suggests dark sibling secret.

Do they mean it was LaToya doing all those great videos? LOL.

(The Mirror pays money for stories. Wonder who they paid for this one?)

It just shows how desperate these rags are for ANYTHING to write.

Let me think....MJ designed the moon-lander? (Secret inside source says).

Ok thanks for the laugh, I truly needed that.

To think that people actually pay to read this kind of...... where to find the right words.
 

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myosotis;4240444 said:
Well, one UK tabloid (the Mirror) is tired of the R/S story already. They've got a new MJ headline today:

Are La Toya and Michael Jackson the SAME PERSON? Conspiracy theory suggests dark sibling secret.

Do they mean it was LaToya doing all those great videos? LOL.

(The Mirror pays money for stories. Wonder who they paid for this one?)

It just shows how desperate these rags are for ANYTHING to write.

Let me think....MJ designed the moon-lander? (Secret inside source says).

Actually don’t mind this sort of story being printed. It’s so ludicrous that it proves tabloids will literally print anything to get clicks.
 
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