Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

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AllForMJ

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(Four-page post originally posted on 5/18/08. Updated to five pages today)

In 1995, he released “Stranger In Moscow.” It’s a song that describes how he felt after being betrayed in the worst way possible. The song begins with the sound of rain pouring down before he sings...

I was wandering in the rain
(Mask of life feelin' insane)
Swift and sudden fall from grace

(Sunny days seem far away)
Kremlin's shadow belittlin' me
(Stalin's tomb won't let me be)

On and on and on it came
(Wish the rain would just let me be)

(How does it feel)
How does it feel
(How does it feel)
(How does it feel)
When you're alone
And you're cold inside

Notice how he was wandering in the rain…how sunny days seemed far away…how he wished the rain would let him be…and how he felt alone and cold inside.

The rain signifies days of dreariness. It was the start of a storm. Feeling alone and cold inside means he felt deserted and unloved.

He released “Invincible” in 2001. It’s an album about people trying to break him; unfulfilling relationships; the desire to be intimate; being taken away from love; being stalked by those that write bad stories about him; feeling like his voice wasn’t being heard; his concern about missing children; his concern about the state of the world; and being unjustly viewed as a threat. But, within all of this, there was also a song about things eventually getting better.

In 2002, not long after he released “Invincible,” the ’93 court document describing the details of the lie that started his plight, surfaced out of thin air. It caused the media to behave like it had finally found a valid reason to attack him relentlessly. But at the same time, something else was taking place. He was starting to show he was no longer accepting mistreatment. He was engaged in a battle with the CEO of his record label. Something about him was different. He was no longer looking as weary as he did in ‘01. He even had a sweet smile on his face in a photo that was taken of him the day he spoke to an audience about the unfair treatment of recording artists. It’s like he was happy that he was in a fighting mood.

In early 2003, more misfortune came his way. Something that was meant to be informative, fun, and entertaining, turned into something grueling and malicious. It added to the pressure and pain that he had already endured for so long. It was the wickedly edited documentary that was given the title “Living With Michael Jackson.” Because of this sham of a documentary, the storm of ’93 was now starting to merge with a brand new storm.

He released “Number Ones” in October of the same year. On this album was a brand new love song entitled, “One More Chance.” It is one of 18 tracks. The song begins with him singing…

Uh-huh…alright
This time, I’m gonna do my best to make it right
Can't go on without you by my side, hold on
Shelter, come and rescue me out of this storm
To get out of this cold, I need some warmth

In the above verse, it seems like he had made a vow that he was going to strongly stand up for himself this time, which is why he had said, “This time, I’m gonna do my best to make it right.” But, he was also telling his lady confidant that he wanted her with him while he was doing it. Also, in the chorus he is plainly saying what he needed in order to do it. He was saying, "All I need is one more chance at love."

He was most likely asking for love because it's warm. Warmth combats cold. Love combats hate. Love provides strength. He told her, “To get out of this cold, I need some warmth.” It seems that he was still feeling cold inside from ’93, but he was now ready to break free of being publicly scorned, and was also ready to finally bring to an end what was causing his pain.

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After the sham of a documentary touched off a brand new media storm, I think he knew deep down inside things were going to get worse…like he felt he was going to have an even harder time trying to convince the public that he’s been innocent all along. The below verse shows he had a gut feeling things were going to get worse, but I don't think he was able to tell exactly when. And it sure doesn't seem like he was expecting anything like what happened the following month after he had released his new song and CD. There's no way he would have started shooting a video if he knew all hell was about to break loose in the manner that it did.

Searching for that one who’s gonna make me whole
Help me make these mysteries unfold, hold on
Lightning about to strike and rain only on me
It hurt so bad, sometimes it’s hard to breathe

Notice that he is saying he’s searching for her. But also notice that he’s searching for her at the same time he’s expecting more rain to come along with a lightning strike.

Because of what he says in this next verse, it seems like he had told himself he was going to pursue her love no matter what.

And I will walk around this world to find her
And I don’t care what it takes, no, why

Notice that he put emphasis on “And I don’t care what it takes…” Also notice that he ends the song singing the words, “I can’t stop loving you.” This shows his determination to persevere.

Not only did his new glow in 2002 give a hint that he was having feelings for someone, and not only did the words of “One More Chance” reveal he was in love before the trial that had put his inner strength to the test, but the way he laid out the tracks of his “Number Ones” CD also pointed to a clue that he was in love.

There are 18 tracks on the “Number Ones” CD. All of the tracks are in chronological order, except one. The song at the end of the CD should have been the first song listed. And notice that it followed "One More Chance." The last song listed is “Ben,” and it’s the version where he’s singing in his mature voice, not his kid voice.

Although "Ben" was originally about a pet, it is the only song on the CD that says, "I used to say, I and me, now it's us, now it's we." It also says, "The two of us need look no more. We both found what we were looking for." This is where he’s telling her she’s the one for him, and he’s the one for her.

Fortunately, his friend had come into in his life before the madness had reached its peak. He had already fallen in love with her as well. It’s being revealed at the end of “One More Chance.”

The late night comedians going full throttle with their twisted jokes about child molestation was a sign of the madness increasing. It was their ill-chosen way of taking advantage of the situation created by the wickedly edited documentary. It was comedy at its worst.

In addition to this, the world later witnessed a shameful press conference that was conducted like a Broadway show gone wrong. This bizarre press conference was the first of its kind. It was also the very first indicator that the DA’s case was bogus and built on multiple lies. What DA would laugh about being in pursuit of a so-called predator? Not the honorable DA’s. Not the upstanding ones. But still, the case went forward, bogus and all, even after the DA was advised to drop it.

In 2004, the year that MJ was hit with two different sets of counts after being unduly charged, another love song was released that mentioned his needs. This song that came out later that year was “Fall Again.” In this song, his needs were very specific.

* I need you around for every day to start
* I need your love in my life
* I need us to carry on

Notice that he said "us." Also notice that he says this…

There’s something about you
I stare in your eyes
Everything I’m looking for, I seem to find

He sings the word “something” in a way that shows he was beginning to really check her out. It’s like he started noticing things about her that he hadn’t noticed right away…like it was just starting to dawn on him.

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“One More Chance” and “Fall Again” are love songs that have a much softer tone to them than most of the love songs on the “Invincible” CD. Yet, these two love songs also have words that are applicable to the painful things that were playing out in his life before the eyes of the entire world.

“Beautiful Girl,” which was also released in 2004, is a very heartfelt and straightforward love song that came out at the same time as “Fall Again.” In it, he repeatedly says, “Can’t you see that I’m in love with you? I’m in love with you.” This shows someone was lingering in the back of his mind during the time that he was in a battle for his life. In “Fall Again,” he even mentions the word battle. In “Beautiful Girl,” he is openly professing his love in a way he’s never been heard before and he sounds very sincere.

Then, there is “The Way You Love Me.” There are many things happening in this one song. He’s telling her about all the things she has done; the things she is doing that he likes; and where he was when she came to him while he was alone. He’s telling her what she said to him when she took his hand. He even told her why he was afraid. He told her he was afraid because he was hurt the last time. If we look back in time, we will see that the rain that started in ’93, started because of the way that he was hurt and he wasn’t given a fair chance to defend himself. This is what prolonged the rain. In 2003, something just as heartbreaking caused more rain to come and he was being attacked again. In “One More Chance,” he even went as far as saying, “It hurt so bad, sometimes it’s hard to breathe.” In “The Way You Love Me,” he said she took away the rain and brought the sunshine.

Also released in 2004 were two other songs that showed he had a loving friend by his side. These songs are “Someone In The Dark” which is about a friend finding him, and “Someone Put Your Hand Out” which is a song about someone taking hold of him in a divine way and loving him.

In early 2003, when I heard the song "You Are My Life" from his “Invincible” CD playing at the end of his "Private Home Movies," my first thought was that it was very sweet that it was chosen as the song to play while he was showing his children. I also felt it was very fitting. Yet, after the rest of the events played out in his life from there on up until the end of the trial, I noticed something else about the song and started seeing it in another way.

Many of the things mentioned in “You Are My Life” had come to fruition. In addition to this, I kept thinking back to what he said in March 2002 during his interview with Vibe Magazine:

Vibe: Are you ever lonely?

MJ: Of course. If I'm onstage, I'm fine there. But you can have a house full of people and still be lonely from within. I'm not complaining, because I think it's a good thing for my work.

What he said was fully understandable even if he is a parent that sincerely loves his children. I'm sure God already knew single parents would experience loneliness sometimes, even if they did have children living with them. The type of love that you receive from a devoted partner, is different from the type of love you receive from your children. If this were not true, God would not have instituted marriage. Marriage not only provides stability for a family, but it also eliminates the need for parents to search for a companion or lover while raising children. Notice how MJ likes the way that his friend is holding him, loving him, touching him, and kissing him as he says in “The Way You Love Me,” and that it doesn’t matter to him how she’s doing it.

See, Debbie had walked out on the entire family after convincing him to let her be the one to create one with him. When you are a true dedicated parent like he is, you're going to be very cautious while searching for someone new, and back tracking isn’t always a good idea. When you're a real parent and you’re putting forth your true effort, you know you've already been through a lot just helping the children adjust to the change that's taken place in their lives from the other parent not wholeheartedly being there for them, or you. Still, one strong parent is better than no parent at all, and strong and caring is something that MJ definitely is.

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When I now listen to “You Are My Life,” I see that it describes all the things he needed to get through a tough time that had not even occurred yet. This is why I now feel “You Are My Life” is prophetic. It is as equally prophetic as the song “Will You Be There.” The things about his friend comes through clearly as shown here in a summary of the lyrics of “You Are My Life.”

* He was once all alone
* He was lost in a world of strangers [If he was lost, he needed to be found as described in “Someone In The Dark”]
* There was no one to trust
* She suddenly appeared [In “The Way You Love Me” he said she came in time]
* She took away the fear [He had to be courageous to stand up for himself]
* She brought him back to the light [If she brought him back to the light, she came to him in the dark]
* She gave him strength [He needed strength to get through the trial]
* She gave him hope [He needed hope to get through the trial]
* He’s singing the words “I love you” near the end of the song. He’s singing these three words in a strong tone as if he’s trying to make sure she understands just how much. [There’s a correlation between this and the way he was releasing beautiful love songs while he was defending himself in real life]
* She opened his eyes when he couldn’t see that love was always here waiting for him. [He needed to know that he was not hated as much as he thought he was. A sign that his eyes have been opened can be found in the booklet of “Thriller 25”]

Notice in the song “You Are My Life,” he said she is the sun. He also said she is the moon. Well, the sun brings warmth, just like love brings warmth, and both combats cold. The moon shines light in the dark of night. If she is the moon, she is providing light at night. Also, notice that in “The Way You Love Me,” he said she took away the rain and brought the sunshine. Well, if she is the sun, as he says in “You Are My Life,” then she brought herself and whatever is within her to provide him with comfort and warmth. She is in this manner sharing her life. She’s been providing light as well as warmth. This falls in place with the words, “A light to keep you warm…” as he mentions in “Someone In The Dark.”

He’s been smiling more than he did in 2001; he doesn’t appear to be shedding tears as he once was; the look of pain has left his eyes; and one of his family members have said he’s happier than he’s ever been. These are things that were predicted in the song, “You Are My Life.” The words, “Now, I wake up everyday with this smile upon my face. No more tears, no more pain, ‘cause you love me” have come to pass.

“Thriller 25” has now been released with a new love song at the end of it. “For All Time,” which he worked on by himself, is the only new song on the CD that has a long pause between it and the song before it. This pause causes total silence to occur. As the soft music of “For All Time” begins, it slowly increases in volume before he begins to sing the lyrics that are summarized here:

* Sun comes up on a new morning
* He wants the words of the love song to keep her happy
* He’s offering intimacy and someone to lean on
* He makes reference to the soul mattering
* Two hearts belonging so well
* Moon shining down on a good evening
* A warm kiss in the cold night air
* Good love being received
* Telling her how long he will love her
* Quiet days and souls embracing silently
* Rain washing away
* Telling her how long he needs her [He puts emphasis on the words “I need you”]
* Asking her to say she’ll never go [This means she is still around]

In his love song “Beautiful Girl,” where his is professing his love for her he said, “She never knows.” But in “For All Time,” he’s repeatedly telling her, “Baby, you gotta know.”

And notice how many things in “Stranger In Moscow” that was released in 1995, have been undone in “For All Time” which was released in 2008. Even the shadow is doing something different. In “Stranger In Moscow,” a shadow was belittling him. In “For All Time,” shifting shadows made a songbird sing.

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If the sun is now coming up on a new morning, as he sings in “For All Time,” then sunny days are no longer far away as they were in “Stranger In Moscow.” And his prediction in “You Are My Life” where he says, “It was cloudy before, but now it’s all clear,” has come to fruition as well.

The clouds are gone. The sun is here. The rain has stopped. The sky is clear. The storms are over. This is why we are now experiencing quiet days as he sings in “For All Time.”

As for his lady friend opening his eyes so he could see that love has always been here waiting for him...the bolded words below from his “Thriller 25” booklet reveals this has happened.

To all my fans and friends around the world who love and support me, and who have always been there for me and my family, throughout my entire career, I thank you and I love you, from the bottom of my heart.

He can now tell just how much he is loved, how long he’s been loved, how far back the love goes, and that the love never left. This is another prediction from “You Are My Life” that has come to fruition. So now, we wait to see what he will do with his new feeling of joy that was brought to him with the help of God.

While we are waiting, there is something special to keep in mind that shows he is happy about this feeling. When he called the fans in Devon, he let them know he was calling from Las Vegas. It’s a place that is located in the desert. His phone call was made during the summer, and instead of using the word hot to describe the temperature of where he is, he chose to use the word “warm.” He mentioned it twice and said it is very nice. The word warm was later followed by his gleeful laughter. He was in a playful and upbeat mood.

To get out of the cold, he needed some warmth. He has received that warmth. It came to him in the form of love which is what he was hoping for. The word he’s using in “For All Time” to describe the love he’s receiving is the word “good.” He even used the word warm to describe a kiss in this song.

He is very romantic and he serenades very well. We’ve been listening to the sound of amor…the sound of love…the way he sounds when he’s following what’s in his heart.

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Ape

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Wow it feels like Christmas morning with all these surprises to open this morning. You can now add the song "Hold my Hand" to this evolving love story. The intro sounds like a beautiful new beginning getting the listener into a romantic mood. Interesting too that it is Michael who leads the first verse in Akons song.

This life don't last forever
So tell me what we're waiting for?
We're better off being together,
Than being miserable alone.


Sounds like the both have been through a lot and could be so much better together, no longer fighting love, no longer lonely. With a peaceful romantic sound... and just when you think the song is over, it gives the final note to perfect it, making it resonate in your mind, making you feel like you've just been given a nice warm lasting hug.
 

Pua

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This life don't last forever
So tell me what we're waiting for?
We're better off being together,
Than being miserable alone.


I can relate:yes:...........
 

summer

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I was just gonna write "Yeah, what about "Hold My Hand"...?! nd see what new theories I could find on this thread! :lol: But you guys were quicker!!

This life don't last forever
So tell me what we're waiting for?
We're better off being together,
Than being miserable alone.


I can relate:yes:...........

ME TOO!!!! If you ONLY knew...!!! :scratch:
 
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"Hold My Hand" sure was a pleasant surprise! It was a beautiful way to start the day. I am so glad I followed my mind last night. Something had said repost this thread. See that? Divine time is always ON time! Things fell into place nicely.

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Did MJ write Hold My Hand?
Don't know if he wrote it, but the beautiful thing is his heart is in it while he is singing it.

What's also interesting is, it mentions the dark and the cold, as well as what to do to keep warm.
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Wow it feels like Christmas morning with all these surprises to open this morning. You can now add the song "Hold my Hand" to this evolving love story. The intro sounds like a beautiful new beginning getting the listener into a romantic mood. Interesting too that it is Michael who leads the first verse in Akons song.

This life don't last forever
So tell me what we're waiting for?
We're better off being together,
Than being miserable alone.


Sounds like the both have been through a lot and could be so much better together, no longer fighting love, no longer lonely. With a peaceful romantic sound... and just when you think the song is over, it gives the final note to perfect it, making it resonate in your mind, making you feel like you've just been given a nice warm lasting hug.
Last night, I added some new things that had come to mind. You will surely miss it if you don't read every line. The post is lengthy, but it won't take too much time.
:flowers:
 
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Ape

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I read it all the way through first thing this morning :) but maybe for a nice little bedtime reading I can read it through again slower this time.

Here's to Romance :flowers:

The original post was May 18th? wow my daughters birthday. I hadn't noticed that before.
 
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Ape

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"Notice how MJ likes the way that his friend is holding him, loving him, touching him, and kissing him as he says in “The Way You Love Me,” and that it doesn’t matter to him how she’s doing it."

This is interesting (well lots was but since I am in bed almost asleep I thought one thing to point out will be enough). See how he says he likes the way that she does these things, yet it doesn't matter how she is doing them. It SOUNDS like a contradiction, but it isn't is it? I would like to hear your interpretation of that.
 
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It doesn't matterif it's done mentally, physically or spiritually. He can feel it.
 
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Sdeidjs

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If the sun is now coming up on a new morning, as he sings in “For All Time,” then sunny days are no longer far away as they were in “Stranger In Moscow.” And his prediction in “You Are My Life” where he says, “It was cloudy before, but now it’s all clear,” has come to fruition as well.

The clouds are gone. The sun is here. The rain has stopped. The sky is clear. The storms are over. This is why we are now experiencing quiet days as he sings in “For All Time.”

As for his lady friend opening his eyes so he could see that love has always been here waiting for him...the bolded words below from his “Thriller 25” booklet reveals this has happened.

To all my fans and friends around the world who love and support me, and who have always been there for me and my family, throughout my entire career, I thank you and I love you, from the bottom of my heart.

He can now tell just how much he is loved, how long he’s been loved, how far back the love goes, and that the love never left. This is another prediction from “You Are My Life” that has come to fruition. So now, we wait to see what he will do with his new feeling of joy that was brought to him with the help of God.

While we are waiting, there is something special to keep in mind that shows he is happy about this feeling. When he called the fans in Devon, he let them know he was calling from Las Vegas. It’s a place that is located in the desert. His phone call was made during the summer, and instead of using the word hot to describe the temperature of where he is, he chose to use the word “warm.” He mentioned it twice and said it is very nice. The word warm was later followed by his gleeful laughter. He was in a playful and upbeat mood.

To get out of the cold, he needed some warmth. He has received that warmth. It came to him in the form of love which is what he was hoping for. The word he’s using in “For All Time” to describe the love he’s receiving is the word “good.” He even used the word warm to describe a kiss in this song.

He is very romantic and he serenades very well. We’ve been listening to the sound of amor…the sound of love…the way he sounds when he’s following what’s in his heart.

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We are pleased you brought this thread back...Many enjoy reading it...Mr. Jackson is a true romantic...I think all the love songs are sooo very beautiful...He certainly knows how to woo his friend...

Do you think his friend understands, knows what he is saying...?
 
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SoS

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:timer: wow this interesting thread would be resurrected during the busiest period of my life

maybe it'll be up a while :popcorn:
 

mystygrl

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Don't know if he wrote it, but the beautiful thing is his heart is in it while he is singing it.

What's also interesting is, it mentions the dark and the cold, as well as what to do to keep warm.
:D

:clapping:Awww, welcome back, AllForMJ! I have been blessed twice with the sight of this thread and MJ’s added vocals to ‘Hold My Hand’!! I am overwhelmed with so much joy, right now!!! This is one of the ‘happiest days’ in my life!
 
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Ape

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Lots of sense. Maybe (if we are to take AllforMJ's interpretation of it to be true) he did find her, like what was said, but maybe they aren't together. Maybe this is a song asking for them to be together and that life will be better for them both once they are together. Maybe they both fought the love they felt and so they didn't get together and both were miserable apart from each other and they just need to stop fighting it and give it a chance. As scary as giving a chance at love is, it is so much worse alone and apart from the one you love. Once they were together they really could see that if they just were there to give each other support and comfort that nothing could come between them...NOTHING. They take care of each others problems instead of trying to take care of their own alone. Beautiful.

On another level this song could be about peace as well for more than just the two of them. Woooooohooooooo (oh I just heard that in the song and wow... shivers. I love it)
 

LindaC781

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I think MJ wants to find love. He wants that "stranger to be his friend"...for example

All alone wishing on stars
Waiting for you to find me
One sweet night I knew I would see
A stranger who'd be my friend

When someone in the dark reaches out to you
And touches off a spark that
comes shining through
It tells you never be afraid
Then somewhere in your heart
you can feel the glow
A light to keep you warm when
the night winds blow
Like it was written in the stars I knew
My friend, my someone in the dark was you

Promise me we'll always be
Walking the world together
Hand in hand where dreams never end
My star secret friend and me

When someone in the dark reaches out to you
And touches off a spark that
comes shining through
It tells you never be afraid
Then somewhere in your heart
you can feel the glow
[ Find more Lyrics at www.mp3lyrics.org/8e13 ]
A light to keep you warm when
the night winds blow
Look for the rainbow in the sky
I believe you and I
Could never really say goodbye
Wherever you may be
I'll look up and see
Someone in the dark for me
Wherever you may be
I'll look up and see
Someone in the dark for me

Though you're gone star far away
Each time I see a rainbow
I'll remember being with you
Smiles coming through my tears

When someone in the dark reaches out for you
And touches off a spark that
comes shining through
It tells you never be afraid
Then somewhere in your heart
you can feel the glow
A light to keep you warm when
the night winds blow
Look for the rainbow in the sky
I believe you and I
Could never really say goodbye
Wherever you may be
I'll look up and see
Someone in the dark for me
Wherever you may be
I'll look up and see
Someone in the dark for me!

I wonder if he actually did find love in the dark....that that darkness that shrouds his moods is lifted by this new-found love. I hope so...
 

Moddie777

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Thanks for this Thread! Wow!!!!AllforMJ, I remember the original thread linked on another forum and I read it all! Since another fan a few years ago pointed out to me the fact that in the song "One more Chance", Michael references, "I just cab't stop loving you"(87 Bad Album), then again in 2001 with, "Break of Dawn"(2001 Invincible), I have been convinced, he has a relationship or very close friendship with someone of whom he has a history with. Michael Jackson can very easily release any uptempo, club knocking monster
jam on the planet but he doesn't! He choses to release or work on very romantic and meaningful songs that paint a picture and tells a story. Michael Jackson is in love and this lady is someone of whom he has gone through a great deal with. his songs and lyrics suggest this is it for him. He recognizes what they have and what he must do in order to keep it this time.
 
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In "Fall Again" he had said, "It feels like a fire that burns in my heart every single moment that we spend apart." He also said, "All this time away is killing me inside."

In "Hold My Hand" he's asking her, "What are they waiting for?" He's saying they are going to be okay together because they already know what to do when it gets dark and cold. They've done it. And he's saying they've been through things separately, but that they can fix that. He's also saying she doesn't have to be lonely anymore because she can have him. He wants to be her man. He's letting her know that no one will be able to take him from her, or her from him.
 

DMGJACKSON

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Wow !! lovely to see you and this wonderful thread back AllforMJ, your expression of ''Hold my Hand '' Is enough to make my heart beat wild'' giggles !!!!!
I'm speechless now *smile*...
 

ruchie

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If he hasn't found love yet,He's still looking.Sometimes songs will give you a clue and sometimes not like in the songs "One More Chance" His version from the Number 1's album ," The Way You Love Me" and "You Rock My World" and "You are my life"," I Can't Let Her Get Away", "Will You Be There" "but who knows until he is seen with this person.There were a couple of events that where he was seen in the Dark, Maybe he saw the person and then the person was never seen again until there is a chance meeting somewhere.Maybe he's reaching out to this person. I was at one event years ago but I ain't saying it's me or could it be ? I won't know that until we meet face to face this time instead of afar. LOL
You say it's only in my dreams,Don't be so sure. LoL
 

mystygrl

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Lots of sense. Maybe (if we are to take AllforMJ's interpretation of it to be true) he did find her, like what was said, but maybe they aren't together. Maybe this is a song asking for them to be together and that life will be better for them both once they are together. Maybe they both fought the love they felt and so they didn't get together and both were miserable apart from each other and they just need to stop fighting it and give it a chance. As scary as giving a chance at love is, it is so much worse alone and apart from the one you love. Once they were together they really could see that if they just were there to give each other support and comfort that nothing could come between them...NOTHING. They take care of each others problems instead of trying to take care of their own alone. Beautiful.

On another level this song could be about peace as well for more than just the two of them. Woooooohooooooo (oh I just heard that in the song and wow... shivers. I love it)

Cool! I am glad to be understood. So, what I am concluding now based upon your thoughts is that if I were to follow AllForMJ’s interpretation it should be apparent to me that he knows who she is but, they are not physically together at this time. Also, as you mentioned, Ape, this song is a request for their togetherness and their joy will heightened once they are in each other’s presence because they could freely express their feelings which they held back, originally, for whatever reason/s. Finally, this time around there won’t be “ANYTHING” or “ANYONE” to pull them apart. They are going to be just fine! Wow, that is lovely, Ape! Thanks a lot!!!

Oh, you too getting shivers hearing him sing, Woooooohooooooo?:yes: In addition, I can feel his spit from the letter “t” when he sings “If you jusssT”…:hysterical:
 
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AllforMJ I wondered something. Is it not a sort of dangerous way of doing things (if this is how you see it, I may have misunderstood..and if it is in fact what he is doing) for him to be singing to "someone" out there but not being clear to her, and not being clear in the songs that it is to a particular person? By being vague about who it is directed to or IF it is directed to someone, doesn't it make many women wonder about it being them he is talking to or about? I am sure he has met many many women in his life and maybe even got close to quite a few either as a friend or dating. "I just can't stop loving you" would probably make any of those women wonder if he means her, wouldn't it? Of course they wouldn't want to presume, I am sure, but they might wonder, as someone in this thread had admitted to (quite bravely I might add) already.

Does it seem to you that the wait for this album is any different than any of the other ones? I have never been a fan of anyone before and I wasn't around for any of the other album releases to know how it gets but does it seem the expectancies and hopes from the fans are any different this time around?

I also get the feeling you have someone in mind you think it is directed to. No one needs to know who but I wondered if I am correct in that assumption.

Thank you for your insight. :flowers: These were just some things I was thinking about.
 
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It's good that he was singing and releasing love songs and openly expressing his feelings. Because he did that, we can now look back and see what was on his mind in '04. In the midst of all the turmoil, love was on his mind. It still is. Love is what makes him who he is. Women can see this in him. It's always been that way, and will always be that way, because he is a genuine loving person.

He'll make it clear as to who it's directed to. That's for him to do.
 
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It's deep because Michael is deep. He's so many things. It's kinda hard to have discussions about him and leave out love and spirituality and how it aligns itself with his music.
 
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Yes that makes sense AllforMJ. Thank you for your reply.

So....who wants to do some more lyric interpretation? :wild: ??

Do you also think there is a bigger purpose to them coming together than just for each other? The holding hands (or reaching out), and finding someone in the dark, and can't stop loving her are not the only common threads throughout his songs.

Oh here is something interesting I just thought of.
In the past the songs were about reaching out and someone reach your hand out, and waiting to be found and searching.
This one is not about reaching anymore or searching anymore, he is asking her to hold his hand. The search seems to be over. Now it is a matter of coming together. They are better off together. Whether he wrote the song or not, he is singing it. He wouldn't sing about something he doesn't believe in. Not in his nature.
 

TialovesMJ

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Yes that makes sense AllforMJ. Thank you for your reply.

So....who wants to do some more lyric interpretation? :wild: ??

Do you also think there is a bigger purpose to them coming together than just for each other? The holding hands (or reaching out), and finding someone in the dark, and can't stop loving her are not the only common threads throughout his songs.

Oh here is something interesting I just thought of.
In the past the songs were about reaching out and someone reach your hand out, and waiting to be found and searching.
This one is not about reaching anymore or searching anymore, he is asking her to hold his hand. The search seems to be over. Now it is a matter of coming together. They are better off together. Whether he wrote the song or not, he is singing it. He wouldn't sing about something he doesn't believe in. Not in his nature.


I wouldn't dare to try..ahh!!you guys are good at these things :)
 
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Got the tears flowin', huh you guys? He went through a lot, but he was holding on. Everything he was doing shows how much he was holding on.

Yes that makes sense AllforMJ. Thank you for your reply.

So....who wants to do some more lyric interpretation? :wild: ??

Do you also think there is a bigger purpose to them coming together than just for each other? The holding hands (or reaching out), and finding someone in the dark, and can't stop loving her are not the only common threads throughout his songs.

Oh here is something interesting I just thought of.
In the past the songs were about reaching out and someone reach your hand out, and waiting to be found and searching.
This one is not about reaching anymore or searching anymore, he is asking her to hold his hand. The search seems to be over. Now it is a matter of coming together. They are better off together.
Whether he wrote the song or not, he is singing it. He wouldn't sing about something he doesn't believe in. Not in his nature.
Good point, Ape!

Also, when "One More Chance" came out he was saying, "If you see her, tell her this for me" as if he wanted someone else to tell her...for him...that he needed one more chance at love. But then by the time he got to the end of the song, he started saying, "I can't stop lovin' you."

Now, he's cut out the middle man and is saying directly to her...at the beginning of the song..."So tell me, what we're waiting for?"

He's got her under the microscope too. Notice there's a line that says, "I can tell that you're tired of being lonely."
 
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I loved that line. Right there (if it's his feelings and not Akons ..lol) you can tell how much he cares about her. He pays attention to her and can see (whether she is hiding it or not) and he knows her so well that he can see when she is feeling lonely and lets her know that he will make it better, and not only that but he will do all he can to make it better. No more loneliness for either of them :) .

So if he is asking her to tell him what they are waiting for, she must know by now it is her? Just trying some deductive reasoning. :p
 

Moddie777

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There is no doubt this woman know these songs are about her. They are in this together and have been for a very long time. This relationship has gone through many cycles, ups and downs. They have been together, apart for whatever the reason then found eachother again. The recent songs he has released or taken part in make this very apparent. They are very much together now.
Also, The phrase, "hold my hand" isn't just about the physical act of touching ones hand. To hold ones hand is to take ones hand and to "Take" the hand of the one you love is to take it in holy matrimony. Marriage is what is ultimately on Michael's mind and he knows specifically with whom.
 
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There is no doubt this woman know these songs are about her. They are in this together and have been for a very long time. This relationship has gone through many cycles, ups and downs. They have been together, apart for whatever the reason then found eachother again. The recent songs he has released or taken part in make this very apparent. They are very much together now.
Also, The phrase, "hold my hand" isn't just about the physical act of touching ones hand. To hold ones hand is to take ones hand and to "Take" the hand of the one you love is to take it in holy matrimony. Marriage is what is ultimately on Michael's mind and he knows specifically with whom.

Interesting that you mention marriage. I was actually thinking while listening to "Hold my Hand" that it would be the perfect song to walk down the isle to. Perfect. I imagine that it is going to be used for that by some people. Listen to the start of it. You can practically feel the love and heart flutters of a bride walking down towards her true love, only him in her sights. His eyes on hers through the veil. It's beautiful isn't it?
 

TialovesMJ

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Interesting that you mention marriage. I was actually thinking while listening to "Hold my Hand" that it would be the perfect song to walk down the isle to. Perfect. I imagine that it is going to be used for that by some people. Listen to the start of it. You can practically feel the love and heart flutters of a bride walking down towards her true love, only him in her sights. His eyes on hers through the veil. It's beautiful isn't it?


I was thinking the same thing as well :).. yes its beautiful!!!
 
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Do you all think this is something he doesn't mind people speculating on then? If it actually could be about what we are talking about could it be something he would want quiet since it was a leaked song. Maybe that was the reason for the song and maybe this wasn't supposed to be for fans to hear... or at least for the world to hear yet? Maybe it is fine though since we all would be thrilled to see him happy with someone :) and this thread just shows that.
 

Moddie777

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Yes, Ape, I love the opening music of the song. It is a slow, sweet and romantic build up of something very permanent and solid.
I believe MJ won't mind one bit about us figuring this out. He knows we pay attention, lol.
 

mystygrl

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In "Fall Again" he had said, "It feels like a fire that burns in my heart every single moment that we spend apart." He also said, "All this time away is killing me inside."

In "Hold My Hand" he's asking her, "What are they waiting for?" He's saying they are going to be okay together because they already know what to do when it gets dark and cold. They've done it. And he's saying they've been through things separately, but that they can fix that. He's also saying she doesn't have to be lonely anymore because she can have him. He wants to be her man. He's letting her know that no one will be able to take him from her, or her from him.

^ Michael’s angel :angel: has spoken! Every time I read your thoughts you remind me of the fact that music is Michael, Michael is music. In other words, Michael and his music are one. So, if we understand the message that he shares through music then, we are getting to know him better as a person. Your topic is a wonderful thing! I am a huge fan of yours, AllForMJ, so if you hear someone chasing behind you and screaming, it will be mwah, wanting an autograph.

Honestly, I believe we are all on track in discussing this topic and please, please, PLEASE, everyone KEEP IT COMING!!! We cannot afford to stop relating our ideas because I feel that we are headed for a surprising finale regarding him and his lady friend. What do you think?

Last but not least, MJbabe21, thanks for the compliment regarding my post. I am sure that I am not the only one who wishes to hear your brilliant views. So, please share.

[FONT=border=]Kisses and hugs to ALL of you! MJ really does have the best fans in the world who are one big loving family! :wub:
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TialovesMJ

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^ Michael’s angel :angel: has spoken! Every time I read your thoughts you remind me of the fact that music is Michael, Michael is music. In other words, Michael and his music are one. So, if we understand the message that he shares through music then, we are getting to know him better as a person. Your topic is a wonderful thing! I am a huge fan of yours, AllForMJ, so if you hear someone chasing behind you and screaming, it will be mwah, wanting an autograph.

Honestly, I believe we are all on track in discussing this topic and please, please, PLEASE, everyone KEEP IT COMING!!! We cannot afford to stop relating our ideas because I feel that we are headed for a surprising finale regarding him and his lady friend. What do you think?
 
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From the 5-page post on page 1 of this thread about the "Number Ones" CD:

The song at the end of the CD should have been the first song listed. And notice that it followed "One More Chance." The last song listed is “Ben,” and it’s the version where he’s singing in his mature voice, not his kid voice.

Although "Ben" was originally about a pet, it is the only song on the CD that says, "I used to say, I and me, now it's us, now it's we."

First two verses of "Hold My Hand"

This life don't last forever
(Hold my hand)
So tell me what we're waitin' for
(Hold my hand)
We're better off being together
(Hold my hand)
Than being miserable alone
(Hold my hand)

'Cause I've been there before
And you've been there before
But together we can be all right
'Cause when it gets dark
And when it gets cold
We hold each other till we see the sunlight

Although he mentions the dark and cold in "Hold My Hand," he's not singing about it in a way that makes it seem like it's still unbearable for him. He's found a way to withstand it. He holds her as she's holding him.

In the song "The Way You Love Me" he said, "I like the way how you're holding me." Now in "Hold My Hand" he's revealing that he's holding her too. It's in the last line of the second verse.

How affectionate...
 
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SoS

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Although he mentions the dark and cold in "Hold My Hand," he's not singing about it in a way that makes it seem like it's still unbearable for him. He's found a way to withstand it. He holds her as she's holding him..

I feel the most wonderful thing is that this is such a happy sounding song, and has such a wonderful sense of hopefulness, almost like an 'invitation' to love :wub:

In keeping with the theme of the topic, its interesting that the spirit of the lyrics, "the nights are getting darker and there's no peace inside" are not referring to a mood or state of mind but rather, time passing without eachother. I find that very sweet :wub:
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...and its in keeping with the thought in the lyrics which say, "better off being together, than being miserable alone" the word 'miserable' is again, not an indication of a state of being but rather, an indication of that constant 'agitation' of incompleteness, whereas, two hands interlaced, is completion of two 'parts' making a whole and whereupon 'things will get better' or be better for both.

The song at the end of the CD should have been the first song listed. And notice that it followed "One More Chance." The last song listed is “Ben,” and it’s the version where he’s singing in his mature voice, not his kid voice

:giggle: what an amazing observation and very significant I'm quite sure :yes:
would seem so anyway :brow:

I hate to be the one to remind us though, HMH is Akon's song :giggle: it hard not to miss how much MJ stands out in it though

and this is so much fun
 
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Moddie777

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AllforMJ your observation of the adult version of "Ben" and its lyrics remind me of the original poem by Michael, "I YOU WE' from dancing the dream (1992). Same love, same woman.
Also, I believe Michael, literally "willed", her back to him. Proof? He himself sing about it in "Butterflies". He sings:" but I can will you back to me", right before the verse," I caress you let you taste us, just so blissful, I will give you anything baby, just make my dreams come true". You have to listen very closely to hear the "WILL", word. Had it not been pointed out to me, I would have never heard it.
Michael wanted her back in his life, right before the storm would come he knew he needed her back and he knew what to set into motion to make that a reality.
This is a profound and deep spiritually connected union between two people. Now that he has her back, he is not going to let her get away this time. How I know this? He made that clear in many songs through the years.
From memory: "will you be there"- he sings, "I'll never let you part, for you are always in my heart".
"you are not alone"-the endning, he sings, "you are always in my heart".
"can't let her get away", adlib at very end, he sings-"get her back".
"break of dawn", he sings, "I'll never let you go".
God must have blessed this union a long time ago. A new Michael will emerge because of it.
 

SoS

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after recently listening to all these songs you've mentioned i do agree

AllforMJ your observation of the adult version of "Ben" and its lyrics remind me of the original poem by Michael, "I YOU WE' from dancing the dream (1992). Same love, same woman.
Also, I believe Michael, literally "willed", her back to him. Proof? He himself sing about it in "Butterflies". He sings:" but I can will you back to me", right before the verse," I caress you let you taste us, just so blissful, I will give you anything baby, just make my dreams come true". You have to listen very closely to hear the "WILL", word. Had it not been pointed out to me, I would have never heard it.
Michael wanted her back in his life, right before the storm would come he knew he needed her back and he knew what to set into motion to make that a reality.
This is a profound and deep spiritually connected union between two people. Now that he has her back, he is not going to let her get away this time. How I know this? He made that clear in many songs through the years.
From memory: "will you be there"- he sings, "I'll never let you part, for you are always in my heart".
"you are not alone"-the endning, he sings, "you are always in my heart".
"can't let her get away", adlib at very end, he sings-"get her back".
"break of dawn", he sings, "I'll never let you go".
God must have blessed this union a long time ago. A new Michael will emerge because of it.


except there is one lyric i hear differently,

"but I can will you back to me"
sorry i hear a different lyric there, where he has said, "you're not here with me" - then i hear, "see but i can feel you near to me" then goes on to talk about the 'feeling' , i caress and ...

your point is still very well taken because i do agree with what you're saying, even based on this lyric i have pointed out as well
 
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...two hands interlaced, is completion of two 'parts' making a whole...

AllforMJ your observation of the adult version of "Ben" and its lyrics remind me of the original poem by Michael, "I YOU WE'
What the two of you are saying goes straight to this verse in "One More Chance."

Searchin' for that one who's gonna make me whole
Help me make these mysteries unfold

Excerpt from "I You We"

How I love this mystery called We! Where does it come from, out of thin air? I thought about this mystery, and I realized something : We must be love's favorite child, because until I reach out for you, We is not even there.

And again, the song "Ben" follows the song "One More Chance" on the "Number Ones" CD.
 
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Actually, I believe, AllforMJ, the lyrics there are:

Searchin' for that one who's gonna make me hold.
Help me make these mysteries unfold.

Hold rhymes with unfold, you see, and this song speaks of the storm hitting him; and the word "hold" is meaning: to keep standing strong in the storm. She will be his anchor that will help him hold.
Hmmmm. Okay. That makes sense.
:yes:
 

SoS

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:brow:

sorry i still go with the original "whole" and i believe in songs; "sound-alikes" are more important than exact rhymes...at any rate...6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other

as for Butterflies, I hear the exact lyrics being, "can't be real - you're not here with me - see - but I can feel you near to me"

as for the end of Can't Let Her Get Away, he sounds angry and even though he sings, "can't let go" in the chorus throughout the song, and even though he repeatedly says, "i can't let her get away" and he says, "i'll never let her be",

it also to me does not sound at the end like he's saying 'get her back' - i hesistate to say what i think he's saying lol but let me put it this way, he's very angry and it sounds to me like something said in anger just like the other couple of times he cusses in this song.
 
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SoS

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^ :lol: why suuuure! and as AllforMJ said, it makes sense and I'll 'give you' that he does repeat the phrase 'hold on' so...maybe therein lies the answer

*ding ding* !

and the winner IS!!

the queen of all geeeeeeeees :D

(i'm embarrased anyway cause u know i said i wasn't going to get addicted to this topic ... thank God for long weekends :lol: )
 

cleopatra1975

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i think every idea in here is great and I want to like to tell what i think...I think Michael did and does mean it spiritually. He loves someone ( imaginary) but first of all does not know her...but after years and in the time 1998-1999 something must have happened in his life..cause after this time he divorced and than he released an album than in 2003 he released one more chance...pls correct me if I m wrong but beautiful girl was written in 1998-99.so maybe that was the reason for his divorce. maybe he saw a lady somewhere and fell in love with her but he never told her this. Its somekind of platonic love..but he kept an eye on her..maybe this girl married in that time and divorced..and he still had an eye on her. and he thinks she is the right one.. I still believe this lady does not know that michael loves her. all those songs are spiritually , there is no real touch and relationship..it coulld be that this lady loves him too( maybe a michael jackson fan :)) but dont know that he is interested on her. maybe he wants to reveal his love .who knows.thats what i think...


huggs cleo
 
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Moddie777

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We are definately on the right track. I'll need to clean out my ears and improve my memory or better yet, relisten to, "butterflies", lol. I think he only say the word "will" one time in the entire song. I do however know he sings, "i can feel you near to me". He repeats this line.
Something elese; in relation to the "hold my hand" theory. In, "You are not alone", Michael sings, "first I need you hand then forever will begin". He is already married but drawn to the lyrics(song written by R. Kelly) of a song about reassuring a lost love of his committment to her and wanting to join hands with her in order for the rest of his life to begin.
Think about that.
 

SoS

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We are definately on the right track. I'll need to clean out my ears and improve my memory or better yet, relisten to, "butterflies", lol. I think he only say the word "will" one time in the entire song. I do however know he sings, "i can feel you near to me". He repeats this line.
Something elese; in relation to the "hold my hand" theory. In, "You are not alone", Michael sings, "first I need you hand then forever will begin". He is already married but drawn to the lyrics(song written by R. Kelly) of a song about reassuring a lost love of his committment to her and wanting to join hands with her in order for the rest of his life to begin.
Think about that.
That's true and reminds me of another 'hand' song, "whatever happens, don't let go of my hand" which could explain in part how it is that although he went through a couple of "so-called" (sorry lol) "marraiges" we all know that both were very 'unique' situations for him and that in either case it was a far cry from the spiritual union he sings about, thus possibly explaining doing it a zillion miles from his home turf without his family present, and wearing his ring on his right hand both times...

or not...just a theory :brow: but yeh, "what ever" happens, "don't let go of my hand" definitely comes to mind.
 
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In the "Ultimate Collections" booklet, the recorded date for "Beautiful Girl" is 1998-2004. Looks like he started on it in '98 and then put it away. Then, in 2004 he decided to record some more and release it.
 

cleopatra1975

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thank you queen g...i m not well in explaining.i mean he was 2 times married but still said he is alone and directed songs to someone. i mean he still felt alone cause in both marriages he did not found someone who made him whole. than apparently he talked about a beautiful girl...that was before 2001. he saw this lady and watched her and dreamed about her. and saw her sad in her marriage etc... that why he said he and she went trough hard times separetely..now he is sure that she probably loves him too...that why he is singing hold my hand... like believe me and everything will be fine...


hugggs
 

SoS

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The timing of these conversations is interesting to me....did no one feel these songs were directed to anyone before? :brow: I've never heard these discussions brought up before...many of these songs discussed have been out for years

how about anyone else...ever heard of all this song analysis before now?
 
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Moddie777

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queen, It was God's intervening that lead Michael to, "will', her back to him in the first place. Michael must've looked to God for guidance and direction long before he set things in motion. You can do very little in life without prayer and believing. Michael knows this. He knows about the power of God. His written/composed songs about the Earth and World Plight tells us this about him.
 

cleopatra1975

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state of shock its interesting to me too. maybe the time is right that michael gets his true love thats why we are discussing it...i guess many people thought this before but left it unspoken...
 

cleopatra1975

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one thing more. if he would know this person before why wouldnt he married her. he wouldnt wait that long...she must had something in her life why he cant get her so easly...

:)
 

TialovesMJ

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AllforMJ your observation of the adult version of "Ben" and its lyrics remind me of the original poem by Michael, "I YOU WE' from dancing the dream (1992). Same love, same woman.
Also, I believe Michael, literally "willed", her back to him. Proof? He himself sing about it in "Butterflies". He sings:" but I can will you back to me", right before the verse," I caress you let you taste us, just so blissful, I will give you anything baby, just make my dreams come true". You have to listen very closely to hear the "WILL", word. Had it not been pointed out to me, I would have never heard it.
Michael wanted her back in his life, right before the storm would come he knew he needed her back and he knew what to set into motion to make that a reality.
This is a profound and deep spiritually connected union between two people. Now that he has her back, he is not going to let her get away this time. How I know this? He made that clear in many songs through the years.
From memory: "will you be there"- he sings, "I'll never let you part, for you are always in my heart".
"you are not alone"-the endning, he sings, "you are always in my heart".
"can't let her get away", adlib at very end, he sings-"get her back".
"break of dawn", he sings, "I'll never let you go".
God must have blessed this union a long time ago. A new Michael will emerge because of it.


Nice Insight :clap: woooo I love reading thes. you guys really do a good job at these :clap!!!!:)
 

Moddie777

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stateofshock, this analysis has been done before but I don't believe with so much depth. I remember it being done many times in the sony chatroom years ago.
Cleo, I do feel, during the first stage of this relationship (remember there are different stages and with a long history, or at least thats our theory), marriage and committment was going to be a major facture but something happened, causing them to be apart which is why we heard so many songs from Michael of him yearning and longing to be with the one he loved. He often sang about not being able to touch her, so many of his songs have this theme to reoccur. What ever happened between them, they were apart for a while but Michael couldn't forget what was in his heart. Not only was she forever in his heart, she apparently holds it.
 

TialovesMJ

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stateofshock, this analysis has been done before but I don't believe with so much depth. I remember it being done many times in the sony chatroom years ago.
Cleo, I do feel, during the first stage of this relationship (remember there are different stages and with a long history, or at least thats our theory), marriage and committment was going to be a major facture but something happened, causing them to be apart which is why we heard so many songs from Michael of him yearning and longing to be with the one he loved. He often sang about not being able to touch her, so many of his songs have this theme to reoccur. What ever happened between them, they were apart for a while but Michael couldn't forget what was in his heart. Not only was she forever in his heart, she apparently holds it.


^^ this is gonna sound stupid, IDK if you can actually answer my question, or if it wrong to even ask this :blush: here it goes, umm well do you think MJ and this lady known each other before, but then they went their seperate ways???
 

Pua

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You all do know some of these songs were written by other people? It was those songwriters emotions and feelings that Michael brought to life. Not saying he doesn't have these feelings but analyzing them as if they came from within him I don't see as being the correct analysis. He puts the emotions into them when he sings them but the words are someone elses. Just as an actor gets a script written by someone else, they in turn bring that persons script to life. Oh well, that just my take on it.:)

Romance is beautiful and I hope he does find his one true love. It's something we all should be so lucky enough to experience once in our life.:)
 

Moddie777

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MJbabe21, its not wrong to ask and its not a stupid question at all. ALLforMJ or anyone elese who would like to give their insight please do.
But here goes my analysis( taken from Michael's own songs or songs he released). Yes, he and this lady have a significant history together. She is not random at all. He knows who she is and what they have been through both together and separately. They didn't just go their separate ways, something happened that sent Michael in a very depressed and dark phase, During this time he made very bad business decisions and had some very unsavory characters close to him. Also around this time we begun to hear about the "blocking", in his camp. This has been an ongoing thing for years. I first remember hearing it in the 90's.
On his own he would have never just let her get away. Something happened and it stayed with Michael for many many years thereafter, which is why we have so many angry songs, songs that reference how he feels about the industry and his record label.
 

TialovesMJ

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MJbabe21, its not wrong to ask and its not a stupid question at all. ALLforMJ or anyone elese who would like to give their insight please do.
But here goes my analysis( taken from Michael's own songs or songs he released). Yes, he and this lady have a significant history together. She is not random at all. He knows who she is and what they have been through both together and separately. They didn't just go their separate ways, something happened that sent Michael in a very depressed and dark phase, During this time he made very bad business decisions and had some very unsavory characters close to him. Also around this time we begun to hear about the "blocking", in his camp. This has been an ongoing thing for years. I first remember hearing it in the 90's.
On his own he would have never just let her get away. Something happened and it stayed with Michael for many many years thereafter, which is why we have so many angry songs, songs that reference how he feels about the industry and his record label.

Thanks for answering my question :).... ok i am just wondering, I am on the right track as you guys!!!This is sweet.
 
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Ape

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AllforMJ your observation of the adult version of "Ben" and its lyrics remind me of the original poem by Michael, "I YOU WE' from dancing the dream (1992). Same love, same woman.
Also, I believe Michael, literally "willed", her back to him. Proof? He himself sing about it in "Butterflies". He sings:" but I can will you back to me", right before the verse," I caress you let you taste us, just so blissful, I will give you anything baby, just make my dreams come true". You have to listen very closely to hear the "WILL", word. Had it not been pointed out to me, I would have never heard it.
Michael wanted her back in his life, right before the storm would come he knew he needed her back and he knew what to set into motion to make that a reality.
This is a profound and deep spiritually connected union between two people. Now that he has her back, he is not going to let her get away this time. How I know this? He made that clear in many songs through the years.
From memory: "will you be there"- he sings, "I'll never let you part, for you are always in my heart".
"you are not alone"-the endning, he sings, "you are always in my heart".
"can't let her get away", adlib at very end, he sings-"get her back".
"break of dawn", he sings, "I'll never let you go".
God must have blessed this union a long time ago. A new Michael will emerge because of it.
wow.. I always thought he said "still I can feel you near to me" hmm ... wow. (ok I haven't read the rest yet. I'm back to reading)
 

SoS

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MJbabe21, its not wrong to ask and its not a stupid question at all. ALLforMJ or anyone elese who would like to give their insight please do.
But here goes my analysis( taken from Michael's own songs or songs he released). Yes, he and this lady have a significant history together. She is not random at all. He knows who she is and what they have been through both together and separately. They didn't just go their separate ways, something happened that sent Michael in a very depressed and dark phase, During this time he made very bad business decisions and had some very unsavory characters close to him. Also around this time we begun to hear about the "blocking", in his camp. This has been an ongoing thing for years. I first remember hearing it in the 90's.
On his own he would have never just let her get away. Something happened and it stayed with Michael for many many years thereafter, which is why we have so many angry songs, songs that reference how he feels about the industry and his record label.

There are more than a couple of females that would have the public to believe that Sony/"his camp" etc. have been the reason MJ and "she" are not together. I for one do not buy that aspect for a secondt.

Ape, we covered that a few posts back and you were basically correct the first time.

Pua I understand what you are saying, and have felt that way a great deal myself. The interesting thing about the songs he didn't write is that they correlate/correspond with the ones he did write, which I do indeed find interesting.
 
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Ape

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^I think if God is involved then it wouldn't matter who wrote it as long as it did the job and spoke to the parties it mattered to. He (God) wouldn't use ONLY the words from one to the other... He could speak in all kinds of situations in their lives, even plays they see, or experiences in their lives or dreams or movies or books they read or people they talk with saying things that spark a memory or thought that leads somewhere. God talks to us in all kinds of ways I have found :) (and you ladies know that too. I knew that from speaking with you)

About the "see that I can will ya near to me" at 1:39-1:43 he does say this. It isn't feel in this spot if you listen closely.
 

SoS

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i'm listening to it now and..mmm i dunno i think i'm gonna have to stay with feel, the 'f' isn't very sharp but it seems to be there along with the rest of the sound, to me sounds more like eeeeel than illlll :lol: so funny explaining these things in text.....i'll listen some more though just to see (not that it matters a lot...as i may have said in the earlier post...the point is well taken...)
 

SoS

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^ why does it? I can feel you mean's I can feel you...I can will you means I can feel ya :lol:
 
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