Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

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NatureCriminal7896 said:
What the point of this thread?

Most of my answer to this q is in your private message inbox, but basically, the whole thread represents an exercise in imagination. We have no way of knowing if Michael did, in fact, find that ultimate, surreal kind of love, but this tiny thread has been a good excuse for many romantic ladies (and the occasional brave brother that ventured in here) to share some truly wonderful songs, images, musings and reflections about love, romance and what they could entail.

And it is for this exact same reason that I posted the video for This is it when I did.

[video=youtube;W_SLU3m6uCA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_SLU3m6uCA[/video]

On July 13th 2009 Michael’s residency in London should have started. And as crazy a connection as it sounds, this particularly dark anniversary reminded me of the opening lyrics to Heartbreak hotel.

Ten years ago on this day
My heart was yearning
I promised I would never ever be returning
Where my baby broke my heart and left me yearning


I guess on that day in June he broke the hearts of all those of us who were supposed to see him on that opening night and left so much of the world yearning for his art and mourning his loss. I figured since it was a love song, it belonged in here more than in other threads.

Along the years, some have even speculated that this tune was actually very significant in this whole litd story because it represented his poetic way of letting the world know about her. While others yet, saw it simply as a convenient song to be dug up by the Estate from the vault just because, out of sheer coincidence, its title happened to mirror the name of Michael's would be-tour.

We cannot possibly know anything for sure. Let’s just settle for enjoying the sweet images and sounds of a man who gave his all for his art, his fans and the most vulnerable of the world, children in need.
 
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I guess on that day in June he broke the hearts of all those of us who were supposed to see him on that opening night and left so much of the world yearning for his art and mourning his loss. I figured since it was a love song, it belonged in here more than in other threads.

Along the years, some have even speculated that this tune was actually very significant in this whole litd story because it represented his poetic way of letting the world know about 'her'. While others yet, saw it simply as a convenient song to be dug up by the Estate from the vault, just because out of sheer coincidence, its title happened to mirror the name of Michael's would be-tour.

I guess we’ll never know. Let’s just settle for enjoying the sweet images and sounds of a man who gave his all for his art, his fans and the most vulnerable of the world, children in need.

Thx for posting. 10 years is some kind of anniversary. And I don't believe in coincidences. I somehow think that This is it song wouldn't appear to public if not the death.
 

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well ...if you weren't there at the time sweetie , you'd never know the feeling and well , how important this thread was to soooo many of us. it was a very special time:kissed: :mj5:


this thread is so special to some of us remember i used to post here all the time
 

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Given the longevity of this thread, I figured it was time to do a bit of a bumpity bump to it. After all, it is one of the more or less hidden gems of this place, having seen some lovely contributions over all the years.

8701girl;4272476 said:
this thread is so special to some of us remember i used to post here all the time

Indeed it is special. As I was thinking about its length in time, I also got to wonder if and when the basic premise for the thread – Michael’s quest for a divine kind of romance – even started. And I remembered some pictures I had saved quite a while ago. One of them is supposed to have Michael’s authentic handwriting.

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And it is said to be on the back of this next painting that was at Neverland/Hayvenhurst, not sure I remember.

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It does look like Michael’s handwriting and the words do seem to express a certain longing for love, an unfulfilled desire and a continuing search. There is also a continuation to this, but I can’t seem to find the picture anymore.

I still can feel you with me
Even though your [sic] far above
I love you so completely
You are my only love

– 2. 14. 1991
MJ


Seemingly unrelated, I also thought of a piece of fan fiction, which has some very sweet words and sentiments encapsulated into it.

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And since the quality of the picture isn’t exactly the greatest, I went ahead and transcribed it. The highlights are mine btw.


Dear You,
Have you ever noticed that every love song contains the word “You”? Like for example: “Oh, How Happy You Have Made me”, “Can I See You in the Morning?” or “The Love You Save”. So, that’s why I thought it would be allright to start this love letter to you with “Dear You”. If it works in songs of love it ought to be right on for letters of love also, don’t you agree?
Of course, there’s another reason, too. I don’t know your name. Chances are we have never met. And maybe you are just starting to really get to know me through the pages and pictures here in TcB/TeB[?/] You’re luckier than I am. I don’t even get to know the first thing about you, the girl I’m hoping to find someday…somehow, some way. I can’t even be sure you’re reading this. But I won’t lose hope. I will never stop looking for your face, in every audience I see before me, in every eager fan who waves and smiles at me. I’ll be waiting for you, baby. Will you wait, too?

I’ll be there, Michael


Most probably, it was written by some ladies on some fanfic site, but the idea is quite sweet, I reckon. And, funnily enough, some of the words in it, did remind me of some of Michael’s tunes. The whole reference to the myriad of fans instantly made me of Dear Michael.

[video=youtube;bz7MSnwzBYY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz7MSnwzBYY [/video]

And to keep up with the deer connection, there is also Darling Dear.

[video=youtube;5toMrobT2GM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5toMrobT2GM[/video]

Not only that, but the whole I don’t even get to know the first thing about you phrasing reminded me of the words in This is it – I never heard a single word about you. But then, the song continues……falling in love wasn’t my plan, which would actually contradict the earlier idea that Michael had been longing and searching for a divine kind of love for a really long time.

There are those who have the theory that singing love songs from such an young age and being exposed to promiscuity since early on in his life, may have actually desensitized him from the wholesome reality of love and romance. He may also have been one of those negative materialists, the type of people that focus mostly on the ‘higher’ values of the intellectual and spiritual realm and look upon the body and its needs with utter contempt.

But that would have made him a singing robot, considering the numerous romantic numbers he went on to record, not to mention his dancing style which could be anything but shy and rather sensual. Furthermore, his real life connections with several ladies, further proved that the man wasn’t just a theoretician of lust, but also a practitioner. The exact number of ladies and the nature of all the connections would, of course, be known only to Michael and rightfully so.

The question that remains however, is whether (or not) Michael ever found the divine kind of love that he was singing about in Someone put your hand out.

I believe the lyrics to this song actually reflect the same thoughts spelled out on the back of that painting and although co-written by Teddy Riley, I do believe them to be autobiographical. After all, love is defined as the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired. I’ve actually seen this quote also attributed to Mark Twain. But irrespective of its true author, the beauty of the words remains.

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I suppose we all have that need, even global megastars. And although Michael was irresistibly desired by countless women all over the world, all across the decades, the true question that counts is whether or not he ever found someone that he irresistibly desired, someone that could have the magnetism and the strength to attract him right next to her and not just reach him in his dreams as a mere inspiration. Someone to hold him there, by her side, not just for a season or a few, but until death would part them. That is the true question, one that cannot possibly be answered, but only pondered upon.

But then again, can one truly believe that Michael could have had a thriving, successful relationship, taken even to the level of marriage (if it was truly divine), for decades, in front of the world? Something tells me that neither the fury of hell, nor the jealousy of people would allow such a miracle. One can only hope that Michael did find someone truly special that he could count on, whether the world knew it or not, someone that could take him beyond the planets and the stars for as long as either of them was alive.
 
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Indeed it is special. As I was thinking about its length in time, I also got to wonder if and when the basic premise for the thread – Michael’s quest for a divine kind of romance – even started. And I remembered some pictures I had saved quite a while ago. One of them is supposed to have Michael’s authentic handwriting.

That picture is beautiful btw i miss chatting with u
 

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8701girl;4277663 said:
That picture is beautiful btw i miss chatting with u

The picture is indeed beautiful. I also miss talkin' to ya; I was actually thinking about a convo of ours at the start of the year, but more on that in your inbox.

Listening to the radio, also got me thinking further about this lovely, ole thread of ours. One song that came to mind and is somewhat related to what I was writing yesterday, about needing someone truly special, is the lovely tune from 3T - I need you.


Checking their Vevo account I actually got a confirmation of a long-held hunch of mine. I could have sworn that those bells we hear all throughout the song, weren't on the original version of the album. I still remember buying Brotherhood back in 1997 in k7 format. Hard to believe we used to use those and a walk-man to listen to music in the previous century, right? lol

Well, I guess I'm not entirely insane and hear things that aren't/weren't there. I think it was in late 2009/2010 when I first heard this Christmas mix of the tune, as described on the 3T Vevo. I couldn't call it better even if I tried, lame pun very much intended. I, personally love bells as a musical instrument, they are among my favorite ones. That's why probably I also love tremendously the start to MITM. I wonder if it's really true that they used cow bells for it; I'd actually find that absolutely brilliant. The sound of bells evokes certain imagery in my mind ; the gorgeous serenity of Alpine villages, folks being called out to church, beautiful weddings and midnight masses for Christmas and Easter.

And btw of Christmas, anyone that knows anything worthwhile about me, knows that I am a complete Christmas addict, so to hear this already gorgeous tune further enhanced by the bell sounds in the Christmas mix was simply sublime a decade ago and still is today. I should probably thank Michael's nephews for this tiny, but significant change in the song; surely they did it knowing all of the above. Only kiddin' & just jokin', folks.

Leaving highly irrelevant and irreverent me aside, I was actually wondering if the lyrics to this song and all other similar messages were ever completely true for Michael. In I need you, not to be mistaken with Erms' solo number, they all sing couldn't live a day without you. Baby be mine has the I need you night and day line. In Thriller's origins he goes I need you by my side to give me starlight. In One More Chance, the 2003 song, he sings Can't go on without by my side. In IJCSLY he even goes as far as claiming that life isn't worth living without love, whilst in Another Day he screams out that he can't live another day without her love. And throughout Will you be there he seems to be requesting the special and enduring assistance of someone.

I think it was in this thread a while back that people were speculating that although he may have needed her support at a certain level, probably from afar, in a spiritual kind of way, he may have also kept his physical distance from her out of fear of burdening her with his deep troubles. We are all unfortunately quite aware of the gravest of those and this year we've had an awful reminder of the whole, sordid lie with which they've been trying to tarnish Michael's good name.

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After all, we are talking about someone who has been the biggest wage earner in a large family from his very childhood, a man with an unprecedented degree of fame for an insanely long amount of time, accustomed more to mass hysteria and adulation than simple social interaction, a man who was later visited by terrible physical and emotional pain and confusion due to scalp surgery, vitiligo and lupus, all of it deepened by the entire drama which started in Aug. 1993.

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This quote above sadly captures to a great extent the inhumane amount of suffering that sweet, dear man went through. Unfortunately, he was a man well acquainted with sorrow and grief of the deepest kind, on top of his sensibility for the plight of the vulnerable and downtrodden and his sincere care and respect for all of God's beautiful creation.

One may appreciate as selfless Michael's reluctance to burden any one woman with that amount of pressure and suffering. And indeed, that would have been cavalier of him to do, if that hypothetical chick of his wouldn't have been affected in any major way by his absence. If she led a carefree existence while waiting for him to sort his issues out, then it would have been great. But what if being apart from him made her more miserable than we can possibly imagine, what then?

Perhaps he wasn't even meant to take on all those dreadful burdens and challenges all by himself. He certainly wasn't alone in his battles and he had quite the support system; the kids that provided his strongest motivation, the united front made by the family, a great team of lawyers and the loyalty of fans all across the world. But still, I can't help but doubt that he didn't need the loving presence of a woman to kiss his outer scars and try to heal some of his inner ones. As a Christian, I know that complete healing of pain and explanations about the perplexities of life on earth can only be found on the other side of existence. But still, Michael was only human (contrary to the opinion of both detractors and some fans) and, as such, he must have had that need for understanding, passion and compassion which is inherent in most of us, earthlings.

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Another question that arises is what if he misjudged the whole situation and wrongfully waited to sort out his financial and legal issues before engaging in any significant type of romance, not realizing that some burdens would continue anyhow, in one form or another. This year has been an awful reminder of the relentless attacks by Michael's enemies, even now, a decade after he has been gone. In that case, it may have been completely counter productive for him to put on hold any chance at true romance because of issues which were far too complex to be solved in any reasonable amount of time. And who knows, maybe if he actually had someone by his side who truly put his best interests ahead of just about anything else, maybe he could have seen an even quicker resolution to some of his (public) troubles, who knows? Usually, a burden shared by two is much easier to carry than all alone. We can't actually know just about anything for sure. All we can do really is speculate and wonder about what might/could have been.

Let us hope that he did end up living out the lyrics to the brightest of his love songs and not just for a season or two. Loving you is actually a great choice, with a gorgeous little fan-made video I found :D


Isn't he simply adorable chewing on the cord of the headphones and there at the end, with that strategicaly-placed curl, smack down in the middle of that gorgeous face of his? That was a rhetorical question, of course. :love: I was actually surprised to see so many studio scenes. Are they taken from the Spike Lee documentary made for Bad25? If so, I must confess that I have yet to see it. I'm a horrible fan, I know.

And btw of Loving You, there goes that most generalistic and all-encompassing you word referenced in that letter yesterday. I wonder if Mike even got to know her name, let alone her. If she exists, of course.
 
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Happy New Year! (as “happy” as it can be minus MJ)!

Wishing prosperity and peace upon LITD lovers old and new,,participants and lurkers alike!

Thanks Girl for bumping this unique thread! We have been needing an uplift with all the crazies out there.

It’s been forever since I wrote here, one reason being that once I get started it’s hard to stop and I too easily lose complete track of time as I imagine others have.

My experience of this lovely thread is like a continuously unfolding tapestry of revelation, especially whist posting which spontaneously makes for more...and more....in the moment as discovery occurs.

I will attempt to post some thoughts here that may keep the litders occupied another year. Some of these popped out at me out of the blue, hearing anew the contents in songs I had played countless times in the past. It reminds me of how Michael said years ago in an Ebony or Jet article that he writes in “layers” like an onion. I have discovered that after the dominant sounds become like, “white noise” that s when the sounds, words, stories ‘underneath’ come ‘forward’ sonically speaking and the other sounds are revealed.

I learned it quite ‘accidentally’ whether it was by replaying the same song in a loop by literally forgetting the music was on, or playing a song in another room where the walls serve as a filter of sorts (muting the dominant sounds) or playing a song on slow or faster than normal playback speed which since a child me and my brother often did for fun. As AllForMJ said once, that MJ is so “slick” the way he put messages in his music.

Since of course nobody agrees with everything and, if this post raises discussion questions — of course I will make time to respond to anything asked of me. I realize some of my thoughts might need supporting with more detailed clarity or may need to be dismissed for same.

You all have really been busy choosing great new reflections in the music, poems and images just like old times.

To add to the questions of what this threads about, there’s something about it’s an uplifter - all about “God-Love” MJ May have had in “secret so untold” except through his music who presumably “gets” the messages through spiritual connection as
MJ always said of his music that , “it comes from above.”

A little history: I remember when this thread first began. with the thread starter, AllForMJ, asking the question in the title, Did MJ Find Love In The Dark? — with the song, Someone In The Dark as the musical catalyst for what ultimately became a very enchanting thread. AllForMJ really taught us how to listen. The original thread was removed during a massive
hack of some sort, so this thread started over.

It was a long time before it made the fan “fiction” section even after 6/25/09, I guess because it all seemed so palpably “real” for so long.

Speaking of “real” and speaking of the song This Is It as Girl posted above, there’s a line where he sings, ‘I’m the light of the world gonna make—- make her feel — this is real — every time I’m in love they don’t feel [it].”

Also, speaking of the word “dear” there is a line also in, This Is It where toward the end of the song, (just before his angelic falsetto adlib) he sings. “come on please dear understand.”

Before we know it, a lot of times songs tie togetheIr like a puzzle.

These examples I give below are sort of like puzzle pieces scattered.

Personally I had originally felt that a song is just a song. My realistic nature tells me that in real life it’s all really done to have his fans/customers on fan forums talking about his music forevermore, and for “escapism” to use MJ’s word but sorry I temporarily digress.

Back to “escapism”:

Some have wondered if many of the songs we discussed could be inspired by his public companions as well.

After the last few years of listening to his music and pondering this thread in back of my mind, I still have to stay with the thread theory on account of certain songs out-ruling the spirit of certain loves we already know about that he (at least publicly) had — although even those famous relationships of his (without naming names so as not to invite endless debates) speak for themselves in terms of the nature of them, many of which seem to belong in the category of, “every time I’m in love they don’t feel [it]”.

Some of us who are unsettled about the evidence of the death also have held out hope that he strategically found a way to make his “dream come true” as he sang about in various songs and spoke about as well in terms of the fame.

I also believe he at least did also have real love with those he married, each obviously special to him in their own way, and I take solace in knowing he did not live his entire existence without a single modicum of a normal or normally abnormal love in his life.

It’s seems that relationships that are “proximity” types of connections (meaning people known due to being incidental to one’s environment) tend to often be those connections that teach us initial awarenesses about ourselves- the knowledge of which helps us with our ultimate relationships.

I wonder if it’s those types of experiences that caused him to hold out hope for “someone”—to use his word from “Someone In The Dark” and “Someone Put Your Hand Out”.

Someone in the Dark while not written by MJ was chosen by him and was recorded near/after 1981 after the movie E.T. was released, early Thriller era.

Speaking of the Thriller era, previous discussions of this next song pointed out similarities between The Girl Is Mine, the first release from Thriller written by MJ.and another song written by MJ during the same era, the original PYT (demo). It has the similar theme.

TGIM: “Every night she walks right in my dreams, since I met her from the start” -

and in PYT (demo) she wakes him and whispers to him..

and I just noticed at the end says, (in faint adlib) “thegirl is mine yeh” (or similar to it)

PYT (demo) https://youtu.be/u3v4v3G-PVE

Those songs that are of a consistent theme since Bad-Dangerous eras are about the one who either he can “feel” who “ran away” for reasons unknown (I have a theory about a possible reason based on the things we know) all the way to Butterflies and who remained “far away” with whom he wanted to “Fly Away” and “to some far away hot Island..” Strretwalker being NOT about a prostitute btw

Streetwalker is about a unique lady (“never met a girl just like you”)

He makes the same invitation in Streetwalker as he does in Fly Away (travel with him far away)

Streetwalker
https://youtu.be/n5gWvYgmSrg

Fly Away
https://youtu.be/iiyD2Erf3ek


Streetwalker and Fly Away are on Bad Special Edition (released 2001 after/around the Invincible debacle) and free from Quincy’s Producer role), and which he obviously recorded during the Bad era.

Dangerous and Invincible (he was married during HIStory era so is exception)
maintain the consistent themes of trying to get her to see he’s the man who can give her this, could give her that all the way to You Rock My World (“everything I own I’ll give)
and of course Invincible where she is seen as, as the rap lyric says, “resisting” and is consistent and with his “material things”, traveling etc.

You Are Not Alone is the only song on HIStory that keeps that theme, of someone (obviously besides his wife) being “far apart” from him but “always” in his heart, unless you count Stranger In Moscow which, like Who Is It, was about his gut wrentching loneliness.

He did a real-time sampling of Who Is It for Oprah, sort of making me think “she” would also possibly be who he meant by,”and another girl” because it fits the theme as well because the theme of the unknown “her” is in Who Is It and the others on the album we’ve discussed.

I agree that it makes sense that “she” is probably the “one” he is asking WYBT on Dangerous as well.

Clearly “she” was not lured by material things (although she should’ve realized MJ can’t help but to come that way) and we speculated that it may be the thing she wanted him to know most . How else would he know she loves him for him? It is also a contradiction to assume that would matter to him since according to interviews his focus seemed to have been that special someone would have money like him so he’d know he could trust that person. I find it a sad irony that he would use money as a screening criteria but I digress sorry again.

Another irony on top of that is a song that emphasizes how “life ain’t always material things”

The song released (after the Casio fiasco) is more than just a “remix” of Destiny. If you listen to Destiny and then listen to Opis None, sounds to me it is remix of sorts and a remake too.

Opis None
https://youtu.be/KAbvppuhTtQ

Jackson’s Destiny
https://youtu.be/iXTdhcji7tU

When you really listen carefully from the very beginning through the first 3 or 4 minutes there is some “story” there, not just jibberish as it sounds at first...

Be sure and compare it to the Jacksons Destiny and see if you hear a vocal difference.

Lastly, curious whether anyone here found it rather......I guess I’ll say, “odd” that on the Jackson brothers’ recent tours where Jermaine sings many of Michael’s lead parts especially on Michael’s solo hits— there is one lesser known song in Michael’s repertoire that Jermaine sings in addition to his giant hits, and that particular song was not only NOT a hit, it was also not a single release at all — and for the most part not a huge fan favorite even as a “filler” song - in fact it often shows up on the LEAST favorite and least well-liked/well-known- lists and that song is, Can’t Let Her Get Away.
I’d love to know what you all think there as well. I have a theory but would rather hear yours.

Wow how time has flown! lol

Happy listening and Happy 2020 to all! <3
 
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Wow, SoS, thaaat ^^^ was quite the post. Thanks again for going to all that trouble, rekindle the discussion in here and open up so very many new/old avenues. Unlike your neat, chronological analysis, I will take the twisted away around.

You can all feel free to take a cup of coffee, tea, a glass or an entire bottle of gin or whatever other drinks you prefer and your reading glasses, because this is bound to be a long one, if anyone will actually be brave enough and still awake to read this whole thing through. However huge, I won&#8217;t be able to comment on every single thing SoS pointed out and although not entirely sure that we got crunching material for an entire year, we can definitely expand the talk for a little while longer.

Btw SoS, thank you for the lovely little history-of-the-thread lesson you included. I think it was most welcome, especially for those who are unfamiliar with its origins. This thread really is like a tapestry or a puzzle of sorts.

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My experience of this lovely thread is like a continuously unfolding tapestry of revelation, especially whist posting which spontaneously makes for more...and more....in the moment as discovery occurs.

It reminds me of how Michael said years ago in an Ebony or Jet article that he writes in &#8220;layers&#8221; like an onion. I have discovered that after the dominant sounds become like, &#8220;white noise&#8221; that s when the sounds, words, stories &#8216;underneath&#8217; come &#8216;forward&#8217; sonically speaking and the other sounds are revealed.

And your words above reminded me of a recent tweet

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#8220;Music is tapestry, it&#8217;s different layers, it&#8217;s weaving in and out, and if you look at it in layers, you understand it better.&#8221; &#8211; Michael Jackson <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/music?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#music</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GOAT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GOAT</a> <a href="https://t.co/vsl69EgttK">pic.twitter.com/vsl69EgttK</a></p>&mdash; Michael Jackson (@michaeljackson) <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson/status/1211694021514604544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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And also they reminded me of some words at the start of This is it, the movie &#8211; bit, by bit, by bit Michael is revealed. In the context of the movie it was about the intro to the would-be concerts and Michael&#8217;s video screen suit that was supposed to open up. I actually remember some footage where Michael actually does these movements with his hands mimicking the robot that he is supposed to come out of and even having a slight smile on his face, especially while revealing the middle section of his body, but my memory may play tricks on me, since I haven&#8217;t seen that particular portion in ages.

Not even sure where to go from here. Maybe with the clear disagreements, to get those out of the way? lol SoS, I am afraid I haven&#8217;t been able to hear some of the things you mentioned (especially about the Destiny remix, Opis One), but I must say that I only heard it once, through the computer. Maybe if I truly pay attention and use headphones, I might be able to hear those things as well. A couple of things that I absolutely agree with are the following

Also, speaking of the word &#8220;dear&#8221; there is a line also in, This Is It where toward the end of the song, (just before his angelic falsetto adlib) he sings. &#8220;come on please dear understand.&#8221;

That line truly is marvelous.

Streetwalker being NOT about a prostitute btw
Streetwalker is about a unique lady (&#8220;never met a girl just like you&#8221;)

Totally agree. Btw, it&#8217;s one of my favorite MJ songs to get my groove on; it&#8217;s really funky. You could say it&#8217;s about a different kind of lady, not necessarily from Portugal though lol. Don&#8217;t you all mind me, it was just a friendly wink to my newest friend here on MJJC, that&#8217;s all, although I&#8217;m not sure if she even checks this thread.

And by the way of the TII tune, I am afraid I never did hear this one thing

Speaking of &#8220;real&#8221; and speaking of the song This Is It as Girl posted above, there&#8217;s a line where he sings, &#8216;I&#8217;m the light of the world gonna make&#8212;- make her feel &#8212; this is real &#8212; every time I&#8217;m in love they don&#8217;t feel [it].&#8221;

I could swear that I hear him sing make THEM feel &#8211; this is real, exactly because of the next line implying people&#8217;s questions over the years about his public romantic liaisons or lack thereof. But hey, if you hear make HER feel, maybe it is also there, underneath the upper layers of the song. In any case, it would be a pretty brilliant idea to make her (if she exists, of course) feel that it was real. Cause it would all be rather pointless otherwise, don&#8217;t you agree?

Another thing I agree with is the next quote, although from your phrasing and not only that I am getting the distinct impression that you have outgrown your &#8216;realistic&#8217; nature and you now consider Michael&#8217;s catalog full of special messages meant for whomever.

Personally I had originally felt that a song is just a song. My realistic nature tells me that in real life it&#8217;s all really done to have his fans/customers on fan forums talking about his music forevermore, and for &#8220;escapism&#8221; to use MJ&#8217;s word but sorry I temporarily digress.

I very much can understand your realistic instincts and I very much appreciate your location. Whether pleasant or not, real life is where we all are, although the mind can take us in many other places, some lovelier than others.

I guess I can relate to your initially realistic framework because I have this need, can even call it urge for things to make sense; so much so, that at times, I use reason to sift even spiritual matters. I also find somewhat repugnant the need for secrecy, hidden meanings, useless mystery. For me, things have to be clear, neat, preferably self-evident.

Unfortunately, reality is full of nuances and at times legitimate withdrawals of information and there are things which we are not meant to understand. But still, I can&#8217;t help but have this general tendency towards trying to finding answers and logical conclusions, all the while realizing that some of my questions may never be answered. Twistedly self-defeating, I know.

As for, secret messages in Michael&#8217;s songs&#8230;.well, I don&#8217;t know about those. I guess I&#8217;ll have to come back at a later point on this issue.

I also believe he at least did also have real love with those he married, each obviously special to him in their own way, and I take solace in knowing he did not live his entire existence without a single modicum of a normal or normally abnormal love in his life.

Obviously they were all special in their own way and I have much respect for their struggles, before and after being with Michael, in whatever way, even the ones the world doesn't know about, there may very well be those as well. We all got issues and chips on our shoulders, not just megastars and when dealing with Michael and his own enormous mountain of problems, I imagine things can get very difficult. There may have even been blame to be shared if things did not work out in the long term.

A million and two fans could claim that they could have done such a better job at loving Michael than the women who were actually near him, but is that really true? Projecting song lyrics and dance moves on his romantic potential may not necessarily embody the whole complexity of the man. Rita Hayworth, who had such a horrible childhood and youth, poor woman, is famously quoted as saying - people expect Gilda and they wake up with me. I&#8217;m pretty sure someone already mentioned it a few moons ago in this very thread.

Of course fans can fantasize, cause that&#8217;s in the job description, I guess, but the true question is - was Michael really willing and able to live out the lyrics to THE Lady In My Life and To Satisfy You, and not just for a night or a season? In between his workaholic ways (part of which, ironically were dedicated to recording songs about lifelong faithfulness and sensuality), his absolute commitment to charity, all of his troubles which consumed so much of time and drained him of his vital energies, did he really understand that women need constant attention and exclusive affection and did he find the time for that?

Furthermore, was he allowed to have such priorities? Wouldn&#8217;t &#8216;the committee&#8217; made of labels, managers, lawyers prevent him from even entertaining such thoughts? It is, after all, well known that folks from boy bands are supposed to appear free and uncommitted so their audience can dream away while staring at their posters, buying their tunes and attending never ending tours. Well, his boy band days were long behind him, but the more fame he accumulated, the greater the business interest grew. Back in Feb. 1993 the man himself said he was &#8220;married to his music, to his fans&#8221;. Turns out, in May 1994 he changed his mind and thus led people to question the &#8216;realness&#8217; and the timing of his first civil union.

At some level, Michael may have had simple needs. Just like most other human beings, he longed to love and be loved, preferably by the same person and preferably for all time. But his life was anything but simple and I&#8217;m not sure even the world &#8216;complex&#8217; does it justice. However, in spite of it all, we can certainly take solace in the fact that he had a modicum of real life connections, however sporadic, some more memorable than others.

There are people that go through life without any such thing and that is an absolute tragedy, so much so that it can make life not just miserable, but completely unbearable. Not only that, but his dream of fatherhood became a reality. Therefore, his life, although marked by deep sorrow and prolonged loneliness, was not bereft of joy and purpose.

It&#8217;s seems that relationships that are &#8220;proximity&#8221; types of connections (meaning people known due to being incidental to one&#8217;s environment) tend to often be those connections that teach us initial awarenesses about ourselves- the knowledge of which helps us with our ultimate relationships.

I see what you are saying and it actually makes a lot of sense. But to be honest, if I were one of those ladies I would feel a bit offended by such a suggestion. I&#8217;m sure you didn&#8217;t mean it that way, but it does sound somewhat demeaning. It sounds as though Michael had these 3D connections out of sheer convenience, while his mind/spirit were dreaming away about some ultimate chick. After all, isn&#8217;t that one of the hypothesis of the thread? I seem to recall some comments about the YANA video which were in this vein.

Somehow, that just doesn&#8217;t sit right with me. I find it unfair, both to the women near and to the potential one, the destination at the end his romantic labyrinth, so to say. But then again, maybe that&#8217;s just me and my silly ideas, which tend to be quite rigid.

In this thread, as an in any other comment online, we all have the impetus to talk about things from our own perspective, world view and values and those are not always similar to the ones used by others and in this case, by the man himself. Only Michael would know who was in his life, on his mind and in his heart and for how long. It was his life, after all and he certainly owed no explanation to anyone else but those in his life. He certainly wasn&#8217;t obliged to explain himself, even to the fans, let alone the world. And as I already said it before, we can only speculate about it all, trying to make sense of the puzzle with the few pieces we think we have at our disposal, while using our own lens, however skewed it may or may not be.

And speaking of one&#8217;s own lens, with the risk of being perceived as a radical romantic of the Christian type, I must say that from my perspective, REAL love is defined solely as a life-long bond blessed by God between one man and one woman. It may sound restrictive, but anything else is most temporary affection and everything else represents just a string of failed romances. It's like they say - it&#8217;s nice to be someone&#8217;s first love, but it is best to someone&#8217;s last love. In any case, me and my highly demanding reference points are irrelevant. As long as Michael and his ladies were happy with whatever it is they had and it was &#8216;perfection for them&#8217;, as I believe it was also said in this thread at some point, what I think doesn&#8217;t really matter.

Speaking also from a realistic perspective, just as it is hiiiighly improbable that there is some poor woman out there who has been waiting for decades to receive secret musical messages from Michael without ever meeting him in real life, I think it is also highly unlikely that the messages in the music are for only one person in particular.

It is my right to be wrong, but I think he simply got enthused with each new (ad)venture - known/unknown, hoping that each new conquest, of whatever type, may be THE ONE - the final one, the proper one, the permanent one, but it just never actually worked out. It can happen not just to commoners, like us, but also to kings. We are all human at the end of the day and perhaps for kings it may be even more so because of their &#8216;duties&#8217; and many constrains. Hence, it is all the more probable that for people like Michael romantic connections can only be brief and passing.

Also, I know there are some who even questioned God&#8217;s possible involvement in all this, going to such lengths as to extrapolate their own faith experience and that of others to Michael&#8217;s case. Departing yet again from a logical point view, it would seem that God did not see fit to bring the reality of holy matrimony into Michael&#8217;s life, because based on what we know, Michael was NEVER married, not in the eyes of God anyhow. Obviously, such a thing was not necessary either for the salvation of Michael&#8217;s soul or the improvement of his life, either in terms of length or romantic stability.

But then again, who knows? We can always dream that the reason why Michael had to &#8216;disappear&#8217; and &#8216;get away&#8217; in June 2009 was in order to find and keep real love. I believe that is what SoS was hinting at when she wrote this.

Some of us who are unsettled about the evidence of the death also have held out hope that he strategically found a way to make his &#8220;dream come true&#8221; as he sang about in various songs and spoke about as well in terms of the fame.

It would indeed be absolutely lovely, if true. I think everyone who cared about his well-being, would be incredibly happy for him and would understand that. It would be swell if that is what he has been doin' for an entire decade now &#8211; embracing his great, true love on beaches and hotel rooms all over the world or on some distant island, away from the prying and poisonous eyes of the media.

Lord knows he deserved to be happy, after everything the world put him through. And just as I said before, a happy public relationship for decades would have been most improbable indeed. If that's what it took for him to have that dream come true, so be it; just as long as no one was hurt significantly because of false expectations and delusions.

But in that case, what about those poor folks still awaiting a BAM? But then again, I don't think anyone expects such a thing anymore, even if, defying all reason, logic and media reports, Michael would still be alive. Who knows, though? After all, we are talking about Michael J. Jackson, a man many claimed to love and few even dared to think they knew. I guess just about anything is possible with him. Does it even matter if his middle name was Joe or Joseph, btw? However, I am afraid the hoax people see too much into this slight confusion and many other things, for that matter.

Perhaps it is a most unwarranted supposition on my part, especially since the thread started while Michael was very much alive and we cannot tell the motivations of people, but I think some of the intensity in participation in this thread is somewhat related to those first few years after June 2009, when the so-called hoax was in full swing. As time went on and nothing happened, people started to let go of all fanciful thoughts - everything from him still being alive to a supposed grand love affair he may have had, in whatever way, with whomever, as initially described in so many of the pages here.

And now for some other, more tangible issues, I gotta dwell a bit on something SoS said and really caught my attention.

Clearly &#8220;she&#8221; was not lured by material things (although she should&#8217;ve realized MJ can&#8217;t help but to come that way) and we speculated that it may be the thing she wanted him to know most . How else would he know she loves him for him? It is also a contradiction to assume that would matter to him since according to interviews his focus seemed to have been that special someone would have money like him so he&#8217;d know he could trust that person. I find it a sad irony that he would use money as a screening criteria but I digress sorry again.

Another irony on top of that is a song that emphasizes how &#8220;life ain&#8217;t always material things&#8221;

Obviously I meant the bolded part. That is something new for me. I am not aware of any such statement by Michael, about him using money as &#8216;screening criteria&#8217;, but his lyrics seem to be contradictory indeed, especially considering Destiny or even earlier, I can only give you love. But we can always say the latter one was written by the Factory at Motown and he was just a little boy singing their lines, but one would assume that a man with Michael&#8217;s wisdom, insight and intelligence, beyond his braggadocio lines in several songs, would seek other things in a woman than material wealth.

But then again, it isn&#8217;t that hard to understand why he could also be interested in her financial independence. The rich and famous always have to live with the doubt that those approaching them have ulterior, less than pure reasons. But one cannot go through life painting everyone with one big, generalizing brush &#8211; not everyone is the same and as hard as it may seem to believe, there are women and men out there who think about other things than money and fame and who expect totally different things from their man/woman.

I happen to think one doesn&#8217;t need to be a trillionaire, a 4th wave feminist or some grand she-entrepreneur to be an 'independent woman' and afford some nice things and travel across the world - all it takes is a decent job and low cost airlines really.

The things one expects from a man cannot possibly be bought either - his loving stare, his supportive shoulder to cry on, his hand to hold for better or for worse, his superhuman ability to deal with female mood swings, long rambles or sharp silences and all kinds of other lovely things that he could do with the rest of his body, meaning of course his brilliant brain to make her laugh, what else? :rolleyes:

And for all of those things, there's no need for spas, diamonds or ultra exotic locations, not in my corner of Mars, anyhow. All such a woman would need is exactly what Michael and Stevie understood so perfectly in Get it - tender love and affection, love forever after - from ANY beautiful man (in and out), in her proximity. They really did get it, didn&#8217;t they?

So, if the financial criterion can be somewhat understandable, I think we can all hope that Michael didn&#8217;t use equality of fame as a benchmark, because in that case, he would have lived a completely solitary existence and would have ended up with absolutely no one.

It just occurred to me that there was another part of SoS&#8217; post that I agreed with

Lastly, curious whether anyone here found it rather......I guess I&#8217;ll say, &#8220;odd&#8221; that on the Jackson brothers&#8217; recent tours where Jermaine sings many of Michael&#8217;s lead parts especially on Michael&#8217;s solo hits&#8212; there is one lesser known song in Michael&#8217;s repertoire that Jermaine sings in addition to his giant hits, and that particular song was not only NOT a hit, it was also not a single release at all &#8212; and for the most part not a huge fan favorite even as a &#8220;filler&#8221; song - in fact it often shows up on the LEAST favorite and least well-liked/well-known- lists and that song is, Can&#8217;t Let Her Get Away.

Indeed, I&#8217;ve also noticed that. Although not seeing every single last one of their performances, I am aware that they, and especially Jermaine have been using this lesser known and under-appreciated song very often. It does seem a bit strange, doesn&#8217;t it?

And since this is my first post of the year in here, I will take this opportunity to wish everyone a year full of contentment, tranquility and joy, within of course the limits of what is possible. Keeping the feet on the ground, preparing for the worst, while hoping and praying for better things, are pretty sound pieces of advice and even the man himself used at least the first part in Keep the faith.

And btw of New Year&#8217;s wishes, here&#8217;s that record breaking tweet from the other day

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wishing everyone a happy and healthy New Year! <a href="https://t.co/CBwnadGQm2">pic.twitter.com/CBwnadGQm2</a></p>&mdash; Michael Jackson (@michaeljackson) <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson/status/1212056529597337600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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It is tough seeing a new year and a new decade start without Michael around, but after 10 years, I am afraid we have gotten rather accustomed to it and we must make the best of the situation in front of us.

All we can do really is defend him in whatever small way we can with those terrible trials that still await, read things and even participate in ancient threads like this which deal with Michael&#8217;s love life, seemingly spelled out in his songs. And if his love life is like a puzzle or a labyrinth, not having the complete picture or a map, we are bound to wind up with some surrealism placing pieces in all the wrong places or end up in dead ends. I guess it&#8217;s all cool, just as long as no one gets too dizzy from trying to make the pieces fit or from bumping into some of the inevitable walls of the labyrinth, or worse yet, gets caught by the minotaur&#8230;&#8230;.

We can&#8217;t tell the motivation of people, but I think it&#8217;s pretty safe to assume that most of the people who participated in this thread over all the years were seemingly incurable romantics and folks who simply wished the very best for Michael and wanted to see him irrevocably happy. And I think that&#8217;s very noble and lovely, actually.

And by the way of well-meaning people, I have to thank SoS once more for her bravery and contribution to this thread. And btw, home girl, please feel free to post any idea, however strange it may seem to the untrained ear or mind. Over the decades, there have been very many crazy stories and theories out there about Michael and I believe in this very thread we&#8217;ve long since passed the outlandish phase. So much so, that I don&#8217;t think you should have any apprehensions about the wild factor in your thoughts. Also, in a 'quest' without a map and a clear destination, I don't think there is any such notion as 'digressing'.

Here&#8217;s a funny thought though &#8211; do you guys think Michael was actually aware of this thread? We know that he was a member here and we know he was aware of a certain thread dedicated to the long pants and supposedly he wasn&#8217;t offended by it, but did he know of this thread? And if he did, I wonder what his reaction (up until June 2009, of course) might have been. Did he go &#8211; oh no, they couldn&#8217;t be more wrong or was it &#8211; how on earth did they realize that?

Anyway, I better get going now. I may have just broken the world record for longest internet post ever. Obviously, the less is more memo never arrived around here; it must be lost in some postal office somewhere.

Happy AND healthy New Year, everyone! :hellooo:
 
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Thank you Girl for still keeping this thread going. I have read your last post more attentively than others, as all your messages are so long that it is difficult for me to comprehend and I will stick to replying to the last one.
As this thread is now in fan fiction lets fantasy all possible outcomes. I wouldn't believe someone would disappear from this world and family by his own will only for having a life-long romance. Knowing how MJ was so aware of all troubles of this world and being not able just step aside, do nothing and watch I am making fantastic suppositions and one can look for the proofs in songs.

1. Kidnapped and locked somewhere in Guantanamo or on some atoll for example
2. Rests in peace at the cemetary or in other hidden grave
3. Became a hidden leader of some movement in some country for whatever it fights
4. Is very ill and the world shouldn't see that and take pity of.
5. Got away from the turmoil of this world to have his peace with a loved one
6. Is in this thread and replying to us :)
Most of the suppositions would sound as a joke though.

 
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Number 5 is beautiful .. and then this thread would have been true. Number 6 would be amazing ! Something to wish and dream about when i get those awful days.:heart:Keep the thread alive :heart:
 

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Pre-Note: Sorry typos! It's so late my eyesight is blurred! I promise to edit within 48 hours


So nice to see Wendy_jane and Magic Girl again, two wonderfuly "familiar faces" in this fan-fic fun thread.

Girl - your post was SO FUN and stimulating to read, you had me cracking up laughing with some of your phrasings and I agree with most everything you said... including some of your areas of disagreement for example I can see why you (nor anyone lol) may not hear what I hear in Opis None because of the simple fact that neither did I make out anything in particular whatsoever myself in what initially sounded like a pure mashup of sounds. It's a spoken vocal (only four distinct words) in actually the first 3-4 seconds among the other random sounds.

I agree we in this thread experienced it all through our own "filters" and as you say, our "values" and different things, in fact I love how you broke that whole thing down as it's quite true.

I realize most fans are uncomfortable with talk of (to put it delicately) any type of "strategy" he and his entire family might have used to get him into a more normal existence (and ensure his children, unlike him, grow up more naturally than he did rather than under more than already necessary unnatural pressure) although I also always felt that for the few fans willing to consider it, allowed themselves to interpret his stage direction of "play with them ...then bam", to mean that he's coming back some day - but of course that would seem to defeat the purpose of a very long very public "send off" in the form of memorial, funeral, tributes etc. just to "come back" and get back on the world's public roller coaster once again.

As regards "strategy" however for his sanity sake (andI know hardly anyone agrees) but I feel that fans who say, "he wouldn't do that to his (take a pick) kids.... fans ...family ...just aren't paying particularly close attention to the finer details.

I think fans probably agree on at least one thing: If anyone deserved to actually retire from being hounded and hunted, it certainly would be MJ.

The comment "money criteria" was a bad paraphrase of comments he either implied or made throughout the decades in various interviews (I dislike misquoting or lacking proofs so I will be archive-hunting) about just what you mentioned, that it was so hard to know who wanted him for him and who was just a gold digger.

I recall in one such interview he mentioned that one of his sister's told him that he needed someone with her own money and he felt that was probably true. I called it "ironic" because he generously doled out to those who were full of games afterall (as he said in the song, Xscape). "Gold diggers" indeed and to the highest order, a lady separated from her husband and her son who received the Royal treatment and a "good friend" who "gave" him babies as a "gift" - a "present" - somehow ending up with millions of his dollars and when those millions ran out her "present" somehow yielded her more millions. I'm sure the best interpretation of her asking and receiving all that money for her kind friendly gesture was that to him it was a small "price" to pay. I'm sure that is so in the end.

Ironic sort of like Job in the Bible who said, " what I have feared has come upon me". It's also noteworthy that it seems that his most "normal" relationship was with someone who indeed had her own money.

It may seem at this point a futile discussion of the music however it's what he left us with. Regardless to whether we ever correctly surmise what went on with him in the end, the question has really only and always been (for me) what in essence is the "story" (beginning middle and end) as presented in the man's music. The fact of him being innately a story teller and dream weaver of sorts is difficult to not notice. It's something that cones naturally since childhood.

Getting back to "values" and "filters" of interpretations of this thread, on a personal note as I've "confessed" in times past of this thread that I don't doubt that it's probably that which cause me to interpret or see the songs the way I do. I'm curious to know what drives the interpretatiobsvif others ascwell.

Personal experiences create personal biases and no doubt when this thread started I began to fir the first time really hear and notice songs about him continually beseeching "someone" with "I'll give you this, I'll give you that, let down your walls, stop resisting, running etc"., from album to album with "someone'' all the time depicted as being someone (and perhaps a composite "someone/s") trying (IMO) to tell him that it's the "material things" that he's focused on that keeps "her" from showing up - the reverse of his "fear" - in fact indicating this ''perfect love" may have started face to face and ended together-apart.

I see/saw hercas possibly saying, "come as you are, MJ not what you "bring"" because of my filters of having a dad who trained me to run from any guy who leads with his "stuff" rather than himself. Classic "filter" of "values" I guess you could say so to me in hindsight of putting the musical theme of that particular topic, it makes sense that someone who really loved him might just "try to tell him something" like, "it's not your stuff I love - it's you- your soul".

Of course that probably makes little sense to anyone else. Not to mention the sheer foolishness of the very thought of running away from the King's riches, however I'm saying as far as I can fathom, THAT would be MY reason.

Who would want to go down in history as the fool who ran from MJ's money though really whilst everyone else is running after it? Someone who perhaps felt a deeper need for him to "get" that message perhaps? That's the only reason I can fathom. "Someone/s" seemed to have done just that - if the songs since (on) Dangerous are any indication, that is, as each album since Dangerous has a song of that quality to it.. if... you count YANA. "Every night I sit and ask myself how did love slip away" - but the rest of the song indicates that love never slipped away - only "SHE" did.. Invincible continues that theme...You Rock My World ("and everything I own I'll give")... Butterflies...."I will give you anything..". but the "I can feel you near to me" feels like YANA's, "I can hear your prayers" - noting, he wrote neither song, yet the theme continues. Like a braid, so many themes that overlap also intersect.

Well as it turns out, yours is the post that might keep this going a year lol because there's so much more of your insightful thoughts to comment on. It was a really great read. I have to take my time and read it again as it was a lot to digest.

I'll be back to do so as time allows.

I too want to thank you so much for enlivening the thread!
 
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Magicgirl, wendijane & SoS - thank you all so very much for your latest posts in here, really thank you. There are some very interesting and sweet thoughts included in them, but if you will all excuse me, today, for more or less random reasons, I will refrain from commenting on them. Instead, what I will do is take one of Magicgirl's interventions in another thread and bring it here.

It may sound strange, since this lovely thread is about Michael's private life, while I will focus a bit on the public dimension of Michael's calling, let us even call it mission. Yet, I can't help but sense that the two are actually connected, if not even intertwined. What Magicgirl said in that other thread was completely beautiful and I think we can all wholeheartedly agree with it.

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Well, actually MJ is not dead, he lives in out hearts!!!! After listening to his music again today I was amazed how powerful was his music, how powerful was his message, how powerful was this man in whatever way, being able to change this world to the better, to unite and encourage so many people. His effort to make this world better shouldn't be in vain, his deeds should live further on.

Indeed, his music was powerful and united so very many all across the world. His love for people was obvious to anyone whose heart was truly open. There was a consistency of message and deeds all throughout his life and only the darkest of souls could see into his actions anything sinister, projecting onto him their own devious ways. The man had always sung about unity, even as a little child and cared for the most vulnerable. It is heartbreaking to think that they would take his generosity and twist it into something horrible, but that says a whole lot more about Michael's enemies than it does about him.

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And because he knew he was right to fight on behalf of the voiceless, he kept on loving and helping in spite of detractors and heinous lies.

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Heal the world and Earth song are some of the most amazing songs and videos ever created and their performance has always been a highlight. One song though that doesn't get enough recognition is HIStory. I've always loved the ending to the HIStory concerts and it was a blessing to witness one of them in person.


It's completely inspiring to see all those flags together in unity, with the US flag and the host country of the particular concert always being first. That gorgeous man was both an American beacon of goodwill and a truly global treasure with genuine care for people in all nations and the entirety of God's beautiful creation. And long after we are all gone - including Michael's attackers - that is what the world will remember most about this amazing man.
 
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Re Thanks fam

Hi SoS , Girl and magicgirl
It is nice to re vist this thread and good to see people again and to read peoples beautiful thoughts!
I hope everyone is keeping well as can be x
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Hi ladies!

You all really have some terrific gifs! Makes a body wonder how you found them.

I think my fave is "Keep Calm and Heal the World"! Love that!

Girl, I will check out that thread you posted as soon as possible. I can already see it's inspiring.

For now, I am so "triggered" to react to such a touching side of the music that really changed my life, if not this entire crazy world. I know It's true of so MANY people which is the individual and collective consciousness that does heal the world, one consciousness at a time.

For any youngsters reading this, and to remind the elderlies...I remember when the Jackson5/TheJacksons/MJ, began singing those wonderful songs reminding the world of what's important and none of their values changed regarding it. Just as Girl said, MJ has been performing this duty since his childhood.

I believe the first such song I heard was an early Motown song during a time of that record label's artists bringing peace through music in the midst of the Vietnam war...was a song on the J5 Third Album..the album that contains, I'll Be There, the most famous song on the Third album. The other song I'm referring to however is a song called, Reach In...all the voices together - amazing harmonies..more a Jermaine-lead, Michael-enhanced "sermon" about finding "that tree of wisdom" "reach in... into your soul ..reach in...find out why you're living...put away that shade of sin, and let love shine in"... Michael began preaching through his music then.

The next one I remember was, I AM LOVE. "War and poverty...wasn't meant to be...hate is driving me away....'cause I am love.... and I'd love to stay'... "Come back love come back ...this is where you belong"

Both songs to this day make me totally lose it...singing all the parts...just awesome music that gets totally stuck in your head.

That said, the first song of that sort that the brothers did after leaving Motown, "let me show you...let me show you the way to go" where Michael really "preaches" ......"we can help each other overcome..yes we can do it we can do it now... come together underneath the sun... yes we can come together..and think like one.. yes we can do it we can do it now...come everybody and get the job done"... Michael pleads:..."please please please let me show you, let me show you the way to go" and then came Destiny where he sings his simple values ..then came, TRIUMPH..."ALL the colors of the world should be...lovin' each other whole heartedly...yes we're ALL the same...yes it's alright..take my message to your brother and tell him twice"..."take the news to the marching men who are killing their brothers when death won't do"

I made a hodgepodge of the lyrics but you get the point.

This foundation was layed a long time ago for MJ's music to continue healing the world to make it a better place.

In the end I feel the grestest impact MJ ultimately had was on individuals who changed their lives as MJ opened up our eyes to see there was another way to look at life other than the default program given to us by the small worlds we had around us.

While I can't say that I turned in my fly swatter for a butterfly net, I am happy to report that both hang on my wall side by side (hey even the Bible says there's "a time to kill" ) because for the most part I have learned through Michael to respect ALL of creation and that there is so much more satisfaction and fulfillment when given a clear choice, to, as the Bible also says, "choose life"...the operative word being, "choose".

MJ through his example and his music, helped me to understand that in the end it's all about realizing that at all times we are required to realize that we, for the most part always have a choice. We heal the world by "healing" the one looking back at us, through the looking glass. Yes, that one in the mirror.

THANKS MJ. Forever More. I'll never forget what you did for me, and for every bumblebee that's accidently wondered into my house. They no longer encounter the hysterical human with the fly swatter.. they get the calm exuberant human with the butterfly net that captures them then opens the door and sets them free.
 
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Wow :eek: girls. You've really outdone yourselves, congrats :clapping: Not just with your perfect sense of timing, but also with the quality of the material.

Wendi, those two photos you posted are absolutely glorious. Loved them so much, I went and saved them lol.

SoS, you can be so darn poetic; you truly wrote some amazing things. I feel rather guilty because I can't seem to find the time to get back to you all in all the necessary formats. It's just that life is rather momentous these days and I can't be here quite as long as I would like.

In any case, I just wanted to thank you both once again for keepin' this lovely one alive. Not quite sure about Mike being here, in this very thread answering the qs about it all, as Magicgirl so marvelously hypothesized, but love definitely seems to be in air, don't you all agree? And better yet, can't you feel it? :D


Well, the more cynical among us might very well say

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....and they would actually be quite right - there are airplanes, poison-eye satellites, clouds, planets and stars, aaaall kinds of things floating above us all.

The more dorkily-minded ones might even say

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But irrespective of views, I think it's safe to say we are living in rather exciting times.

Here's to LOVE, TRUTH & LIGHT :heart: May they always shine, brighten up the world and bring their warmth where it's most needed, in the hearts of the cold ones and the sorrows of the forgotten, the invisible and the voiceless.
 

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Re: Did MJ ever find true love...???

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...for love is as strong as death,
its jealousy unyielding as the grave.
It burns like blazing fire,
like a mighty flame.
Many waters cannot quench love;
rivers cannot sweep it away.


Song of songs 8:6-7

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Did Michael ever find TRUE love = IRREVOCABLE and surreal joy??? Thaaat truly is a question for the ages.

A couple of YT comments I've recently read underneath videos of his touched me deeply.

Michael Jackson sacrificied his childhood, health and private life to entertain the world, my slight change.

I think he was sad because he had everything in his life but love.

There's an eerie sound of bitter, awful truth to both of this statements. And although his life had its shiny moments of magic, viewed from this perspective, it all looks rather tragic.
 
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Hey everybody!!!

Did anyone say..........EVERYBODY???? Here's the first thing that came to mind when I read that :D

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'Nother thing that came to mind, more or less related, was the whole love and music connection that travels all across this lil' thread

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And if the female protagonist of the thread is just a hypothesis of sorts and may actually be just a figment of people's imagination (either of Michael's or the fans'), we most definitely know that the male part of the equation was quite real and could rock a top hat - and quite a few fedoras - in an uniquely smooth way :cool:

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Girl you and all you ladies have the best graphics!! Awesome really.

Your last post made me wonder as usual especially as to who’s imagination originated all this. When I fathom the numbers of females, perhaps males too, it boggles the mind to consider the feelings each one must have.

As usual a song ran across my mind, wondering how many, both fan and superstar alike could be wondering wheee they’ve been (“mentally” as MJ says) whether they even fit in with others who may not have such conceptions, and if they feel alone, in that, “out here on my own” sort of way.

It would seem that “loneliness” of sorts would be a must. We all know MJ sang about his phase with that from the Triumph album (Time Waits for No one)

https://youtu.be/G7PsZl0JHTI

to This Is It (I never thought that I would be your lover, come on please understand this is it, I can say, I’m the light of the world gonna make- make her feel, this is real, every time I’m in love they don’t feel [it])

in ther words, a lonely life...

...so for all who can “feel it”
this little ditty of a song from the 80s from a popular performer based movie is for them/us all (who care)

https://youtu.be/BumMuQCs6FM
 
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