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barbee0715;4185766 said:
I have always thought that God (Jewish or Christian) and Allah are the same.
Is that true?

Hello.

I can only speak about the Jewish/Crhistian side they have the same God יהוה YHWH YAHWEH
God’s only begotten Son is Jesus/Yeshua (Wich means Yah is Salvation)
hallelujah" means more than simply "praise Jah or praise Yah

Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
Old Testament
Scripture Micah 5:2

New Testament
Fulfillment Matthew 2:1
Luke 2:4-6

more info: http://christianity.about.com/od/biblefactsandlists/a/Prophecies-Jesus.htm

. Allah has no begotten son.

God made salvation available by sacrificing His Son and promises salvation by grace to those who believe. Allah sacrificed nothing, and only saves if sufficient works are done.
God has a payment for sins—Jesus Christ. Allah has no payment for sins.
God’s Christ paid for the sins of mankind. Allah paid for nothing, and all men pay for their own sins.
God’s salvation is through Christ’s work. Allah’s salvation is through people’s works.

How do you know if the gospel you have heard comes from God? Wondering who gets the glory in the end. The pure and true gospel gives 100% glory to God and 0% glory to man. There you have x religions that usually vary in this percentage, something like 100% x 0%, 90% x 10%, 80% x 20%, to y religions with something around 50% x 50% (half grace Divine, half human perseverance), and the z, whose percentage depends on whether you will pay in cash or on the card. Finally there are false Christian religions and pagan religions, whose salvation depends entirely on man and God appears only as the electronic point.

“Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[d] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.[e] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Daniel 9:25-26

The prophetic (and historical) order is: Jerusalem restored -> the Messiah came and was taken away -> Jerusalem and the Temple destroyed. If you meet a Jew, see if he can explain the missing piece in this sequence (the Messiah), which the Jew is still waiting for. Therefore, the contradiction is not of the Bible, it is of the Jews. In fact, if they manipulated the Scriptures, they would have disappeared with this passage and with hundreds of others who only speak evil of the Jews in the Old Testament.

If the Torah/Bible says that there is only one True God you do the math.
 

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I have always thought that God (Jewish or Christian) and Allah are the same.
Is that true?

Yes, the same God.

"The linguistic explanation of the origin of the name 'Allah" is that the contraction of the Arabic definite article al(the) and ilah(god), according to the rules of Arabic grammar, becomes Allah (The God). Consequently, the 2,500 plus entries of Elohim and the 57 entries of Eloah in the Old Testament bear direct relation to the name of God as Allah, for Elohim is the plural of Eloah, which itself is identical with Arabic ilah, from which Allah appears to be linguistically derived."

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Yes, the same God.

"The linguistic explanation of the origin of the name 'Allah" is that the contraction of the Arabic definite article al(the) and ilah(god), according to the rules of Arabic grammar, becomes Allah (The God). Consequently, the 2,500 plus entries of Elohim and the 57 entries of Eloah in the Old Testament bear direct relation to the name of God as Allah, for Elohim is the plural of Eloah, which itself is identical with Arabic ilah, from which Allah appears to be linguistically derived."

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Well, Hebrew and Arabic are both Semitic languages so it's not surprising that the word for "god" is similar. That doesn't mean that the nature of God in Judaism, Christianity and Islam is the same, which I think Barbee was asking (but correct me if I'm wrong, Barbee). Anyone with a cursory knowledge of all three religions knows that cannot possibly be the case. The God of the Bible demands worship of Jesus while Allah considers that to be the gravest sin of all (idolatry).

You do touch on an interesting subject that not many people are aware of: Elohim is the plural form of god, and it is one of many references to henotheism in the OT. But I don't mean to hijack the thread :p
 
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Well, Hebrew and Arabic are both Semitic languages so it's not surprising that the word for "god" is similar. That doesn't mean that the nature of God in Judaism, Christianity and Islam is the same, which I think Barbee was asking (but correct me if I'm wrong, Barbee). Anyone with a cursory knowledge of all three religions knows that cannot possibly be the case. The God of the Bible demands worship of Jesus while Allah considers that to be the gravest sin of all (idolatry).

You do touch on an interesting subject that not many people are aware of: Elohim is the plural form of god, and it is one of many references to henotheism in the OT. But I don't mean to hijack the thread :p

I think Barbee mean't in terms of the name. Also, Arab Christians call Jesus or the father, Allah as well. So Arab Christians do not think their use of the word Allah is idolatry when referring to Jesus.

The nature of God in Judaism and Islam is the same. We don't believe in the begotten not made concept in Christianity. Strict monotheism.

God has 99 attributes that is mentioned through the whole Qur'an.
 

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h0opman31;4186063 said:
I think Barbee mean't in terms of the name. Also, Arab Christians call Jesus or the father, Allah as well. So Arab Christians do not think their use of the word Allah is idolatry when referring to Jesus.

The nature of God in Judaism and Islam is the same. We don't believe in the begotten not made concept in Christianity. Strict monotheism.

God has 99 attributes that is mentioned through the whole Qur'an.

But Muslims do :p That's why I said they're not the same God, because what is demanded by one to get into heaven is considered the worst offense that wil send you straight to hell by the other.

Judaism (OT) is not monotheistic but henotheistic, as you mentioned yourself in the use of "Elohim", the plural word for god. The God of the Torah/Bible is one god in a pantheon of gods, the god of the tribe of Israel.

[FONT=&amp]The idea that there are other “gods” who exist as real supernatural beings, albeit infinitely inferior to the only Creator and Redeemer, pervades the Bible. The Psalms fairly explode with evidence. “There is none like you among the gods, O Lord” (86:8); “For great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised; he is to be revered above all gods” (96:4); “Our Lord is above all gods” (135:5); “Ascribe to Yahweh, [you] gods, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength” (29:1, my trans.); “He is exalted above all gods” (97:7); “For Yahweh is a great god, and a great king above all gods” (95:3, my trans.). And so on.
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[FONT=&amp]But it’s not just the Psalms. In Exodus Yahweh predicts that he will execute judgments “on all the gods of Egypt” (12:12). The author of Numbers then declares that that is indeed what happened: “Yahweh executed judgments against their gods” (33:4). There is no hint that Yahweh is the only God. Instead it is clearly implied that Egypt has her own gods, and Yahweh will defeat them.
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[FONT=&amp]When Yahweh gives his people the Ten Commandments, the first commandment implies the existence of other gods: “You shall have no other gods before me” (Exod. 20:3; see also Deut. 5:7). In Exodus 23:32–33 Israel is told not to covenant with or worship other gods; there is no suggestion that the gods of Israel’s neighbors do not exist.
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[FONT=&amp]In Deuteronomy 4:19 the Israelites are forbidden from worshipping “the sun, the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven . . . [which] Yahweh your god has allotted to all the peoples everywhere under heaven.” In other words, they were told not to worship other gods, not because those gods did not exist, but because they were supposed to rule other peoples, not Israel.
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[FONT=&amp]Yahweh himself, who created and rules the other gods, would rule Israel directly. He would rule the nations indirectly through the delegated authority of other gods. This, apparently, was the original intent behind the strange passage regarding the “prince of Persia” in Daniel 10: “The prince of Persia withstood me [perhaps the angel Gabriel] twenty-one days, but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me” (v. 13).
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[FONT=&amp]Something had gone terribly wrong in Psalm 82. The supernatural beings He had appointed to rule the nations justly had failed to perform. They were supposed to rule with justice, executing judgments on behalf of the poor, the widows and the rest of the nations. But because they did not judge properly, Yahweh would judge them. And the punishment was ferocious.
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[FONT=&amp][Yahweh] has taken his place in the divine council,
In the midst of the gods he passes judgment. . . .
And all of you, sons of Elyon [God Most High]
Instead like Adam you shall die,
And like one of the ‘Shining Ones’ you shall fall.”
“Arise, O Yahweh; Judge the earth!
May you take possession of all the nations!”[/FONT]

The Bible's Many Gods

You say Islam is strictly monotheistic. Does that mean that the Quran explicitly states that there are no other gods?
 
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I think you misunderstood.

There is only 1 true God.

So that 1 God sent Prophet Moses to the Jews. Christians then argue that 1 God sent Prophet Jesus to follow. And Muslims say that 1 God sent prophet Muhammad as the final messenger.

So the Jews will argue weather that 1 true God really sent Jesus and Muhammad. And the Christians will argue weather that 1 true God really sent Muhammad.

So in theory we worship the same God who will Judge us all on the day of judgement.
 
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"You say Islam is strictly monotheistic. Does that mean that the Quran explicitly states that there are no other gods?"

What do you mean by no other gods?
 

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I think you misunderstood.

There is only 1 true God.

So that 1 God sent Prophet Moses to the Jews. Christians then argue that 1 God sent Prophet Jesus to follow. And Muslims say that 1 God sent prophet Muhammad as the final messenger.

So the Jews will argue weather that 1 true God really sent Jesus and Muhammad. And the Christians will argue weather that 1 true God really sent Muhammad.

So in theory we worship the same God who will Judge us all on the day of judgement.

But that would imply that Christianity is a continuation of Judaism and Islam is a continuation of both Judaism and Christianity, which is not the case. Christianity is not Judaism + Jesus, there are significant contradictions and reforms between the OT and NT (let me know if you want to get into that since this thread is supposed to be about Islam). And Islam is definitely not Judaism + Christianity + Mohammed. If these religions all come from the same God then God must be schizophrenic :p
 

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"You say Islam is strictly monotheistic. Does that mean that the Quran explicitly states that there are no other gods?"

What do you mean by no other gods?

Well, the Bible verses quoted in my post mention the existence of other gods that Yahweh doesn't want his people to worship because He is a jealous God (Exodus 34:14). That is not strict monotheism. Does the Quran also acknowledge the existence of other gods even if they are inferior to Allah and mustn't be worshipped?
 

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But that would imply that Christianity is a continuation of Judaism and Islam is a continuation of both Judaism and Christianity, which is not the case. Christianity is not Judaism + Jesus, there are significant contradictions and reforms between the OT and NT (let me know if you want to get into that since this thread is supposed to be about Islam). And Islam is definitely not Judaism + Christianity + Mohammed.

Yeah, I only want to keep this thread for those who want to know about Islam.

I understand you want to separate the OT with the actual belief, but that's going to turn into a debate on the contradictions of the OT and NT, and much as I enjoy that, I rather not do it on here. lol

In Islam, we don't worship or pray or give divinity to any of Gods creations on earth. We only worship God alone. Pretty simple and straight forward.

Islam started with Adam all the way through Muhammad. So Yes, it is a continuation of the revelation given to the prophets. Just the religion 'Judaism' and 'Christianity' are man made, and is not authorized by God or the prophets who brought the revelation. Thus, God reveals that Islam is his religion.
 
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Well, the Bible verses quoted in my post mention the existence of other gods that Yahweh doesn't want his people to worship because He is a jealous God (Exodus 34:14). That is not strict monotheism. Does the Quran also acknowledge the existence of other gods even if they are inferior to Allah and mustn't be worshipped?

The Qur'an doesn't acknowledge the existence of other Gods. There is only 1 God, again.

However, can you turn an object into God and worship it? Yeah. That would mean you are associating God with a partner. Thats forbidden. We worship the creator, not his creation.
 

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"If these religions all come from the same God then God must be schizophrenic :p"

According to Islam, God didn't send or authorize Christianity nor Judaism. He sent Moses and Jesus the revelation on the submission to God alone. That's Islam. :)
 
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Judaism, Chritianity, and the Islamic faith (Like ho0pman sad) all believe in the same God.. All believe in one God, when scripture mentions "other Gods" it's not in literal term, but I the term of idolization, worship, or any other form of making something or someone there "God".. For some, Michael Jackson would (in this context) would be there God.. Which in litteral term he is/was not a God ever..
 

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h0opman31;4186021 said:
Consequently, the 2,500 plus entries of Elohim and the 57 entries of Eloah in the Old Testament bear direct relation to the name of God as Allah, for Elohim is the plural of Eloah, which itself is identical with Arabic ilah, from which Allah appears to be linguistically derived."


All praise is for Allah alone, Who created the heavens and the earth Surah Al-An'am 6:1

In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth. Bereishit 1:1

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

be·re·shit e·lo·him; ba·ra ha·sha·ma·yim ha·'a·retz. (Hebrew)

Genesis 1:26 Then God (elohim) said, “Let Us (and not let me) make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.

Come, let us (again let us) go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."Genesis 11:6-7


“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.

“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Isaiah 55:8-9

I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? John 3:12

All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
Matthew 11:27

Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;

in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight. Proverbs 3:5-6

The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it? Jeremiah 17:9-10

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When in doubt just let the scripture(bible/torah/Quran) answers your questions...
There are thousand ,hundred of thousand of religions out there that claim that they go by the "bible/torah/quran"
and they teach some wicked and crazy stuff any last of them and they say that they have scriptures to back it up all of them.

The Word of God alerts us to his(Satan) appearances as "good guy"

2Co 11: 14-15 And no wonder, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light . It is not much, then, that his ministers should be transformed into ministers of justice ; The end of which shall be according to their works.

How many religions out there swear together that they received their doctrines from an angel of light ?

Against what do you think the apostle Paul was warning "Christians" in Corinth? Against Satan-worshiping religions costumed by an angel of darkness and ministers dressed as vampires and werewolves? Of course not. He is speaking of an angel, not of darkness, with horns and wings of bat; He is speaking of a beautiful angel of light. And he is speaking of ministers, not ministering words of hatred and aversion to God, but ministering justice.

Remember that there is no more satanic way for Satan to manifest than with a Bible/torah/quran in his hand. It is this kind of "apparition" that you should be cautious,


and this you will only be safe on this these living 100% in dependence on the Holy Spirit (ruach)of God and in obedience to the Word. Every time we see the devil trying to deceive someone in the scriptures it is in opposition to the Word of God or trying to introduce some form of distortion into it.

hope i didn't offend anyone with the message is just an info/warning
pray for "your" God to lead you and guide you to give you wisdom knowledge and discernment for his Glory.
My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.John 7:16-17

If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.John 15:5
Ill pray for you to accept the Son of God of the scriptures as your Lord and Saviour and be saved.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.Ephesians 2:8-9

Cursed is the one who trusts in man But blessed is the one who trusts in the LORD, whose confidence is in him.jeremiah 17:5a,7

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:24
 
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