[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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Were they angry? If so I'm glad. These so called "jokes" need to stop. It's disgusting and unfair to a man who fought so hard to defend himself. The man's been gone for seven years. Give it a rest already.
 

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Were they angry? If so I'm glad. These so called "jokes" need to stop. It's disgusting and unfair to a man who fought so hard to defend himself. The man's been gone for seven years. Give it a rest already.
Yes, they sounded angry-It's not cute; it's not clever. It fell flat. It was like the audience had the same reaction you and I had-he's gone-get over it.
 

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Yes, they sounded angry-It's not cute; it's not clever. It fell flat. It was like the audience had the same reaction you and I had-he's gone-get over it.

Glad it fell flat! Mike's been gone for seven years. The fact this fool is doing jokes on a dead mine makes you realize how unfunny these folks are.
 

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Something about MJ wanting Diana Ross to raise his kids. Nothing new and nothing exclusive. Once again Radar had a slow news day, I guess, so they posted some old MJ story. They are pathetic.
Oh, thanks for telling me.
I'm glad it's nothing bad, and they are pathetic.
So, sitting here watching Saturday Night Live ONLY because Bruno Mars is the musical guest. And I'm angry-they had the nerve to go "there." Weekend Update had a piece on Trump and the women he's allegedly groped in the past, and Michael Che said that his supporters would forgive him anything. Then he said "I get it-I love Michael Jackson because he made Off the Wall and Thriller. But he did some terrible things. Some horrible things. Like that album Invincible." The audience laughed.
Then he said something about "what he did to those kids." (I've wiped the whole line out of my mind already). To their CREDIT, the audience all GROANED loudly. No laughing, no applause, just a low oooooooooh. Then awkward silence.

I heard this guy dropped the "N" word by mistake on live TV last week-and they were talking about him being fired. They need to get rid of him and a lot more. I remember SNL making all sorts of horrendous jokes and skits about him back in the day, and the reaction from the audience was quite different then-I think the tide has turned. I'm obviously not the only one that got angry with that.
I have zero idea who Michael Che is and I don't care to know, but f*** him for making a joke about the allegations, and also for pretty much saying that Invincible is bad.
Not only is he a dumb unfunny asshole, but he's a dumb unfunny asshole that doesn't know good music.
Negative MJ jokes are scraping the bottom of the barrel, and shows that someone isn't capable of actually being funny.
 
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Give it a rest already.


Giving it a rest would not be enough. They should start making jokes about
the Chandlers, Arvizos, Sneddon. The whole narrative should change from "what MJ did to those kids"
to what those nutjob parents and their coached puppets did to him.
 

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He sounds desperate and unfunny.
 

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Wade and his lawyers are running out of gas. The end is coming just a matter of time.
 

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So, sitting here watching Saturday Night Live ONLY because Bruno Mars is the musical guest. And I'm angry-they had the nerve to go "there." Weekend Update had a piece on Trump and the women he's allegedly groped in the past, and Michael Che said that his supporters would forgive him anything. Then he said "I get it-I love Michael Jackson because he made Off the Wall and Thriller. But he did some terrible things. Some horrible things. Like that album Invincible." The audience laughed.
Then he said something about "what he did to those kids." (I've wiped the whole line out of my mind already). To their CREDIT, the audience all GROANED loudly. No laughing, no applause, just a low oooooooooh. Then awkward silence.

I heard this guy dropped the "N" word by mistake on live TV last week-and they were talking about him being fired. They need to get rid of him and a lot more. I remember SNL making all sorts of horrendous jokes and skits about him back in the day, and the reaction from the audience was quite different then-I think the tide has turned. I'm obviously not the only one that got angry with that.
MJ had a trial and the Evidence backed his innocent. And it was clear those people lied on MJ. Now, you have guys who DEFENED Jackson for years even in the court of law now trying to make a quick buck. That is the difference with MJ compare to everyone else. Glad the audience reacted in the way that they did. One thing I will say about this Trump issue is that Trump put the media on blast regardless if the claims about him are true or not. How would it look for Trump to make these claims about the media and then for the media to bother Michael Jackson whose case clearly showed media bias even in June 2016 when they posted the Radaronline story WITHOUT checking the facts to see it was NOT TRUE. So now if the media talk about something untrue about MJ we can now refer it back to what Trump is saying about media bias and the media does not want that to happen.
 
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Frank about the accusation that he asked for money to testify in 2005 (He was accused of asking for money, not that MJ was the one who offered)

Thank you to the fans who made me aware of what is being said about me, so I can address this yet again. In 2005 Michael Jackson was told by someone (person still unknown when I asked him who said it he would not tell me) that I would not testify in his trial.I was 24 years old and named as a co-conspirator in the trial facing 2-6 years in jail, allegations that turned a lot of peoples lives completely upside down, most profoundly Michaels own life. A domino effect of destruction all based on lies that continue to flood in 11 years later. Even though I have set the record straight numerous times and Tom Mesereau has stated that I was absolutely willing to testify, and as Karen mentioned, I have also addressed in my book. I am now reading this new allegation that I asked him for money to testify? I have to say something yet again, I have NEVER asked for money, ever. I would NEVER not testify for him. I was not allowed to talk to Michael during this time with the severity of the charges but was in communication with his lawyer who knows that I was willing to testify at a moments notice, please check your facts.When Michael and I finally had the opportunity to speak face to face in my home in New Jersey, we worked everything out and he also knew that everything that was said about me and the trial, were lies. I should not have to defend myself any longer when his own lawyer can verify the truth. Let me also say this: Michael Jackson was the greatest person I have ever known and I would do ANYTHING for him, then and now. I am beyond grateful for the opportunities he blessed me with. He left and indelible mark on my soul and my life and my heart will never be the same without him.
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I was thinking about Pellicano and that odd report which stated
he resigned when he learned that MJ did worse to those boys than just molest them.
Since we know the timeline of Pellicano's involvement in 93 and his supportive statements even after
he left the case obviously it's either just another media fabrication or Pellicano was hoping for a bookdeal
or lost his mind.
That statement doesn't make sense on multiple levels, however he can say whatever he wants now and could Robson's lawyers depose him
in prison? Could that be the "explosive" evidence Finaldi talked about?

Also, I always found it strange that Pellicano held up Robson's record deal.
Clearly, here Sneddon tried to insinuate that MJ paid off Robson with the record deal
to support him during the Chandler scandal.
This is nonsense since even Finaldi admitted that Robson didn't get money for his silence
and Robson was so brainwashed he didn't think he was molested anyway, right? :crazy
But in 2005 during Joy Robson's testimony it was not explained why the deal was held up and why it was Pellicano of all people
who held it up? How did he of all people have authority to do that?
What does it mean that MJ intervened and said signed the deal?
That sounds like Pellicano held up the deal without MJ asking him to do that in the first place, which wouldn't make sense.

8 Q. And during this particular point in time,
9 not January, but in 1993, at some point, your son
10 was in the process of putting together an album deal
11 where he -- he or somebody with him would cut some
12 records, correct?
13 A. Correct.
14 Q. And the negotiations began on that deal
15 when?
16 A. From memory, June of ‘93.
17 Q. And I think you described that process as
18 about a six-month process?
19 A. Well, it varies. But that one took that
20 long, yes.
21 Q. And the deal was finally signed on December
22 6th, 1993, correct?
23 A. Correct.
24 Q. And the deal was signed with -- with MJJ
25 Productions, correct?
26 A. Correct.
27 Q. And in the deal, your son -- not your son --
28 the total deal was for $100,000, correct? 9253


1 A. The production company.
2 Q. Right. And your son’s share of that was
3 $30,000?
4 A. Correct.
5 Q. And 15,000 of that was given as an advance?
6 A. I think so.
7 Q. And this was in December of 1993, correct?
8 A. I don’t really remember. I think according
9 to the transcripts that’s what it said.
10 Q. And you took -- well, let me go back. There
11 was a period of time -- where were you on
12 Thanksgiving? Do you remember where you went
13 Thanksgiving? Did you go to New York Thanksgiving?
14 A. I read the transcript. We were in New York
15 recording.
16 Q. Okay. With who?
17 A. With the production company and they were
18 recording for the album.
19 Q. Okay. And up until the point of
20 Thanksgiving of 1993, the record deal had not been
21 finalized yet between your son and their
22 representatives and Mr. Jackson’s company, correct?
23 A. Correct.
24 Q. And there had been -- there had been some
25 delay in the signing of the contracts, correct?
26 A. Yes.
27 Q. And one of the things that had happened in
28 between the time that you first started negotiating 9254
1 the contracts in June or July and December 6 when
2 you finally signed the contract with Mr. Jackson’s
3 company was that Jordan Chandler had gone to the
4 Department of Social Services in the Los Angeles
5 District Attorney’s Office and reported that he’d
6 been molested by Michael Jackson, correct?
7 MR. MESEREAU: Objection. Objection;
8 assumes facts not in evidence.
9 MR. SNEDDON: I’m asking what she’s aware
10 of, Your Honor, and it has to do with motive and
11 bias.
12 THE COURT: Just a moment.
13 MR. MESEREAU: No foundation.
14 THE COURT: The objection is overruled.
15 You may answer.
16 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: You were aware of that,
17 were you not?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. And in fact -- well, let me ask you this:
20 You know a person, or knew a person by the name of
21 Anthony Pellicano, did you not?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. And Mr. Pellicano was Mr. Jackson’s private
24 investigator, correct?
25 A. Correct.
26 MR. MESEREAU: Objection; beyond the scope.
27 THE COURT: Overruled.
28 Q. BY MR. SNEDDON: And Mr. Pellicano was the 9255
1 one who was holding up the deal, correct?

2 A. Correct.
3 Q. He told you that?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. And the deal was finally signed on December
6 6th because the defendant intervened and said, “Go
7 ahead and sign the deal,” correct?
8 A. Correct.
 

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The Frank Cascio tweet shows that at some point MJ was wrongly informed by someone that Frank wouldn't testify unless he gets paid. It seems that it indeed caused some fraction between Frank and MJ until Frank could clear that up. Michael was hurt and apparently complained to Karen Faye about it. There was an exchange between her followers and Frank about it that made him clarify this issue. Frank debunks the accusation that MJ gave money to some people once again. It seems that the mere suggestion that his friend wanted money for his testimony made him upset with Frank and they needed to "work things out" after the trial ended.

Add that to the fact that neither James nor Wade claim MJ offered them money. And that MJ never agreed to Chandler's blackmail and never gave money to the Arvizos. Wade's team were clearly desperate with their letter.
 
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Frank debunks Wade's lawyers' accusation that MJ bribed witnesses one again.

Did Finaldi actually say that?
If so that would be the fifth different explanation as to why Robson defended MJ.
- repressed memory (Marzano, Finaldi)
- psychologically unable and unwilling to admit the truth (Robson)
- didn't think he was molested, didn't think it was abuse, didn't think it was wrong (Robson, Finaldi)
- was afraid to come forward (Finaldi, Robson , Marzano)
- was bribed (Finaldi)

They are running out of options.
 

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^ No they don't claim that in their lawsuit as far as I know and I don't think they say it in interviews. But I thought it was implied by the tabloids and by haters a few months ago that this is how MJ got some people to defend him or stay silent. The last part of my post was about their letter to the estate. Sorry if that confused you, I edited my post.
 
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So, sitting here watching Saturday Night Live ONLY because Bruno Mars is the musical guest. And I'm angry-they had the nerve to go "there." Weekend Update had a piece on Trump and the women he's allegedly groped in the past, and Michael Che said that his supporters would forgive him anything. Then he said "I get it-I love Michael Jackson because he made Off the Wall and Thriller. But he did some terrible things. Some horrible things. Like that album Invincible." The audience laughed.
Then he said something about "what he did to those kids." (I've wiped the whole line out of my mind already). To their CREDIT, the audience all GROANED loudly. No laughing, no applause, just a low oooooooooh. Then awkward silence.

I heard this guy dropped the "N" word by mistake on live TV last week-and they were talking about him being fired. They need to get rid of him and a lot more. I remember SNL making all sorts of horrendous jokes and skits about him back in the day, and the reaction from the audience was quite different then-I think the tide has turned. I'm obviously not the only one that got angry with that.

Don't know this Michael Che character and I don't fricking care about him and what you mention the joke about Michael and kids there I'm glad the audience don't find that funny anymore, because that joke was too stupid, pointless and getting way too old. It's like they're sick and tired of hearing that stupid @$$ lame joke about Michael and kids over and over and over it's like their saying "Oh give that crap a rest we're sick and tired of it already!"
 

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I got this feeling this is going to be over quicker then we think. One is it don't matter how many times Wade and his lawyers get these amend to fix their claims their can't fix them that is not the plan and i am sure Judge B. know this. Second the plan is just to force the Estate into a settlement which is why Wade got these lawyers in the first place but that plan is backfire on them the Estate will not settle so why keep this going.
 

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Second the plan is just to force the Estate into a settlement which is why Wade got these lawyers in the first place but that plan is backfire on them the Estate will not settle so why keep this going.

Wade and Safechuck want money one way or the other. I think they know the Estate won't settle
so by delaying the case they probably want media money, bookdeals or just tabloid money from the rags they are feeding with their
"shocking" "explosive" stories. They know the only way to get the media pick up their story is if they
say outrageous seemingly new things like Radar's porn story or the "most sophisticated child sex abuse operation" story.
 
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this has dragged around too long... This is OLD news to the general public and it's still going... that to me is a good thing!
 

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You are right OLD NEWS and no one is listening.
 

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Wade and Safechuck want money one way or the other. I think they know the Estate won't settle
so by delaying the case they probably want media money, bookdeals or just tabloid money from the rags they are feeding with their
"shocking" "explosive" stories. They know the only way to get the media pick up their story is if they
say outrageous seemingly new things like Radar's porn story or the "most sophisticated child sex abuse operation" story
.
Yeah, but again, they got a little TOO GREEDY and a little TOO OUTRAGEOUS and now 3T is on them with a 100 million dollar lawsuit. So that little tactic backfired on them, I think.
Radar's going to think twice before they pay for or write any more insane stories-and that's their main mouthpiece. They slit their own throats.
 

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What really get me is how can Joy let her son Wade destroy Michael name like this she also defend Michael this is the same man who help her family come to the US state it just makes me so sick to my stomach. it true what they say that money is the root of all evil.
 

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What really get me is how can Joy let her son Wade destroy Michael name like this she also defend Michael this is the same man who help her family come to the US state it just makes me so sick to my stomach. it true what they say that money is the root of all evil.

Because she is no better than her son. Her whole point was to use MJ to try and make her son successful..He had some success as a choreographer but now that his time is over and his career is over, she is going along for the ride.
 

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I'll add if Wades parents knew of an allegation and denied Wade of the "truth", his mother going as far as defending Michael meanwhile her son was supposedly molested... Does that not make the parents liable for parental abuse, negligence, and also legally should be in trouble for lying under oath and tampering with the justice system?

Wade said his father died because of these allegation right? (Which so came out of the Chandler story and reused for his benefit) and Wades mother (and wade) STILL stood defending Michael!
 

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What really get me is how can Joy let her son Wade destroy Michael name like this she also defend Michael this is the same man who help her family come to the US state it just makes me so sick to my stomach. it true what they say that money is the root of all evil.

If Joy Robson really believed any of this nonsense she would have publicly supported Wade already.
A mother who would learn that his son was raped, molested for 7 years and she was fooled
by the molester for 19 years! would be mad as hell! But Joy Robson is totally missing
from all these articles about Wade and so do the Safechuck parents.
It's not plausible. When Aaron Fisher's mother learned of the abuse and that Sandusky fooled her
she said "call the police" and she was visibly angry and outraged.
Blanca Francia, June Chandler, Joy Robson on the other hand?
No sign of anger at all!


And look how casually MJ talked about Wade in 2000.
If he had done any of those horrible things to him no way he would tell Schmuley
how he brought him to the US and how he taught him , he would have a guilty conscience
and would not advertise his role in helping Wade's career.

This is yet another example of MJ acting like he had nothing to hide. Because he had nothing to hide.

wade1.jpg


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If Joy Robson really believed any of this nonsense she would have publicly supported Wade already.
A mother who would learn that his son was raped, molested for 7 years and she was fooled
by the molester for 19 years! would be mad as hell! But Joy Robson is totally missing
from all these articles about Wade and so do the Safechuck parents.
It's not plausible. When Aaron Fisher's mother learned of the abuse and that Sandusky fooled her
she said "call the police" and she was visibly angry and outraged.
Blanca Francia, June Chandler, Joy Robson on the other hand?
No sign of anger at all!


And look how casually MJ talked about Wade in 2000.
If he had done any of those horrible things to him no way he would tell Schmuley
how he brought him to the US and how he taught him , he would have a guilty conscience
and would not advertise his role in helping Wade's career.

This is yet another example of MJ acting like he had nothing to hide. Because he had nothing to hide.

wade1.jpg


http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books-jetzi-04/tape/tape56.html

so so true... In MJ's cases, none of the parents are mad at him. I always knew MJ was innocent, and the fact that these parents were after money and not jail time and were never mad or hostile with him proves their motives.
 

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^^Didnt Joy write something nasty on Brett's Facebook page recently? Thought I read that here.
 

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^^Didnt Joy write something nasty on Brett's Facebook page recently? Thought I read that here.

She just wrote "Really?" after Brett tweeted something nice about MJ.
That's not how a mother whose son was molested would react.
That's way too wishy washy and clearly just an effort to get Brett on their side, which won't happen.
The Robsons are irritated that Brett ridicules Wade.
Like MJ's haters they know Brett, who spent the most time with MJ and shared a bed with him countless times between
age 10 and 19, adamantly defending MJ does not compute with the narrative
that MJ slept with boys because he wanted to molest them.


Joy is clearly on Wade's side just like his sister and Wade's brother Shane they won't go against him
since he is their close relative.
But then his sister tried to sell MJ's picture on ebay and Shane also didn't express any outrage
publicly. This family simply does not act like the family of a real victim.
Neither do the Safechucks.
Given the horrible things Wade claim they should be eager to support him in the press.
Even that fraud Michael Egan had his mother fake crying at his side during that press conference.
Supposedly she just learned that her son was raped. Egan knew that the public would expect
the mother to be shocked and outraged. Too bad the mother couldn't produce a single tear
through all that effort to look shocked and outraged.
 
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^^yes, but that "really" was enough to show support. I didn't think it would be in their best interests for her to cry and wail at a press conference with all the video and testimony out there on how she was the one soliciting Michael for help. The nagging for the green card is harassment.
People would be calling her a pimp, etc.
They're smart to keep her out of it.
 

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^^Didnt Joy write something nasty on Brett's Facebook page recently? Thought I read that here.


I thought i saw it here too. Look like to me Joy believe this nonsense she not saying it not true if it is true she should be angry. She want part of the money she is going along with plan.


It really doesn't matter neither one of them will see a dime.
 
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^^yes, but that "really" was enough to show support. I didn't think it would be in their best interests for her to cry and wail at a press conference with all the video and testimony out there on how she was the one soliciting Michael for help. The nagging for the green card is harassment.
People would be calling her a pimp, etc.
They're smart to keep her out of it.

Yeah everybody would ask what were YOU doing when all this was going on
but a mother who had been fooled and whose kid was raped wouldn't care about that.
She would demand justice no matter what. She would have sent something really angry to Brett
not just a "Really?".

Think about it. If your son had been raped and someone would celebrate the birthday of that rapist
and that same person ridiculed your son what would you do? Just as "Really?"

She knows Wade is a liar, Chantal knows he is a liar they don't care.
June Chandler did the same. First she was sure Evan brainwashed Jordan then
when she realized she cannot win if she keeps saying the truth she switched sides and then
demanded money for herself, like she was a victim too or what?


It really doesn't matter neither one of them will see a dime.

Unless they get money from those hellbent on destroying MJ's legacy
(and if there are rabid haters among ordinary people probably there a few rich haters too)
and/or the rags which will publish their "explosive" evidence.
If they put out out a new "shocking" story every few months in the next 6-12 months that could
mean a few hundreds thousand dollars.

I wonder whether Marzano got paid and if so what.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The only thing that gave me any cause for concern about this interview was VF's comment at about 37.34 to 'hang tight, and watch the press in about 2-3 weeks'.

That radio thingy was on Oct 2nd, so two weeks went without bs. If they gave us a bs warning, it will be out this weekend.
Luckily Trump is keeping American's entertained and media busy, so hopefully their garbage is in and out fast.
 
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