[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I haven't seen it, can you post it?

I just came across this too. Welcome to Michael's "secret sex closet":

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Honestly they are twisting and exaggerating these documents and images beyond belief. How do you take a regular closet with regular closet items and turn it into a "secret sex closet?" Much less legal art books and turn it into child porn. An artist creates a book filled with surrealistic and edgy photography. In this book a single image of a fish is shown in a basin and they call it animal torture. I am so annoyed with how they have twisted everything.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is intentional. There is no ifs about it. Radar have done 4th story on MJ now. First the documents, then the Neverland Search images and videos. I'm also quite sure they timed it with June 25th too. The only thing I wonder if these are filed as exhibits in either Robson or Safechuck cases recently or not. Even we assume that they did, I still don't believe any coincidence. This is all intentional.
 

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I find it funny that they're twisting this as child porn. Possession of that stuff gets you sent down. The man had the FBI and Interpol involved in the investigation, he would've been sent down if they could find something. They couldn't, so case closed. No "MJ money" involved. The man was innocent.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wrote an e-mail to Simen Johan (since its his book that they try to slander in most of these articles). Let's wait if he answers.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm SO tired of MJ being the media's punching bag.
No one else is gone after the way those sickos go after MJ.
I'm so angry.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

well I'll say about TMZ.. TMZ does a little more research before reporting things unlike Radar.. They probably noticed it's old news from the trial and stated as if the prosecution wrote it..

TMZ did not report because it's not news... for now! I hope they stay out
 

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Re: Why is all this bad stuff coming out about MJ again ?

This makes me so pissed off! They can't even let him alone after his death! I just read the tabloid articles. And I was shocked. Shocked that people could go so far to scandalize Michael. Damn. I can't believe this. I'm just gonna play Leave Me Alone this whole day. Michael doesn't deserve this.
 

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This shows how horrible human nature can be...
 

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Ok, I haven't posted anything on here in a long time but this is just disgusting as this whole thing is a lie and, more than that, slander. It is horrid that this website is even treated like an authoritative journalistic source. It's not journalism. Even your usual tabloid media is more professional like this junk.

Does all of this look like the home of a man in his 40s? No, definitely not. I can see why people think it weird to have all these huge statues around etc. But there isn't anything wrong with it. It is wrong to twist it and accuse a man of an absolutely horrendeous crime. If this 'sex closet' existed, the court would have known it back when the trial took place. They wouldn't just let that go by and it would've been all over the news years ago.

What needs to happen now is a serious lawsuit against that website. Similar to what Hulk Hogan did after he was filmed illegally and this website called Gawker released it. They were hit by a huge fine and went bankrupt.
 

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Ok, I haven't posted anything on here in a long time but this is just disgusting as this whole thing is a lie and, more than that, slander. It is horrid that this website is even treated like an authoritative journalistic source. It's not journalism. Even your usual tabloid media is more professional like this junk.

Does all of this look like the home of a man in his 40s? No, definitely not. I can see why people think it weird to have all these huge statues around etc. But there isn't anything wrong with it. It is wrong to twist it and accuse a man of an absolutely horrendeous crime. If this 'sex closet' existed, the court would have known it back when the trial took place. They wouldn't just let that go by and it would've been all over the news years ago.

What needs to happen now is a serious lawsuit against that website. Similar to what Hulk Hogan did after he was filmed illegally and this website called Gawker released it. They were hit by a huge fine and went bankrupt.

Difference is Hulk Hogan cares about himself, whereas the Estate only seem to care about the money MJ's likeness could make.
 

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What needs to happen now is a serious lawsuit against that website. Similar to what Hulk Hogan did after he was filmed illegally and this website called Gawker released it. They were hit by a huge fine and went bankrupt.

Difference is Hulk Hogan cares about himself, whereas the Estate only seem to care about the money MJ's likeness could make.

No, the difference is Estate cannot sue. First of all dead cannot be defamed. So no amount of libel, slander, defamation could result in a lawsuit. Second nothing they are posting is illegal. These are old documents already released and stuff added from internet. Search videos are publicly available for years on youtube as well. So they can't sue.

Hulk Hogan on the other hand was recorded in a bedroom (a private place) without his knowledge and the leaked footage was published without his permission. There were multiple laws broken there - hence a lawsuit.

It's one thing being critical of Estate but it's totally different ballgame of accusing of not doing certain things when they can't do them. In other words if they could have sued but didn't , you could criticize them. However they can't sue, it's impossible. Criticizing for them for something impossible to do is meaningless.
 

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I see people compare them all the time not necessarily because they're black (though that may be a factor for some no doubt), but mostly because they're both "rich celebrities" who can apparently "pay their way out", have influence and all that crap yada yada.
No, what MJ did was used his money to defend himself from being put in prison for a crime he did NOT committ. Do you know how many men especially black men who are in prison for crimes they did not commit? A 18 year old guy who had a lazy court appointed lawyer just serve 10 years for rape which he did not do. If he had the money, he would not hae serve that time. also, You can NOT buy your way out of going to jail UNLESS you PAID the judge or pay the jury. Using your money to find out dirt and the tricks conartist are trying to do in order to get money from you and will allow you go to jail in order to think they can collect that money is NOT buying anything, it is making sure you get the right EVIDENCE that supports your innocence.
 

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It's crazy though....there is ZERO truth to this story yet everyone passes it off as such JUST to fuel MJ hate.
As usual people care more about dragging MJ then reporting truthful news, which is quite sad considering true news should always be well researched.
I imagine that when someone believes these stories that their IQ drops a significant amount because no smart person would believe this mess.
Some of this "new" stuff being reported is almost comical.
A secret sex closet, really?
 

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It's one thing being critical of Estate but it's totally different ballgame of accusing of not doing certain things when they can't do them. In other words if they could have sued but didn't , you could criticize them. However they can't sue, it's impossible. Criticizing for them for something impossible to do is meaningless.

Youre completely right but I still believe the estate could and should do more. The statements were barely spread throughout the day and were very low key. If John Branca was accused of rape in the morning I'm sure he would use a stronger method.

The old "proved innocent in a court of law" isnt working. More people believe the lies each day that dont care about what the outcome of the case was. The fact is the lies regarding everything to do with the trial are much more accessible than the truth online.

Asking the fans not to acknowledge was a complete and utter cop out as far as Im concerned. Fight fire with fire. Counter act and try find out WHERE these OLD claims came from and WHY. Explain how this could be used to someone's advantage to use the "information" being reported.
 

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..And of course this article is released the same week of the anniversary of his passing... Just sick! that's HUMAN cruelty! let's make an article...
Again, I think we give haters too much credit. Yes, this ticks me off but I do not believe most people care. The love for Mj is nailed in stone. Most of us and the public knows how the media works and people wilth common sense can see through (if they even see this) see this as no more than a smear attempt to bother MJ on his 7th anniversary. look at what has been done through the years and MJ is still loved. yes I go into some of these sites and most people seem to support MJ while a FEW (some you can tell are really the same person who is using a different font name) talking trash and clearly are internet trolls, racist who do like black entertainers (they trash everyone who is black), or snot nose teenager looking to start mess.
 
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No, what MJ did was used his money to defend himself from being put in prison for a crime he did NOT committ. Do you know how many men especially black men who are in prison for crimes they did not commit? A 18 year old guy who had a lazy court appointed lawyer just serve 10 years for rape which he did not do. If he had the money, he would not hae serve that time. also, You can NOT buy your way out of going to jail UNLESS you PAID the judge or pay the jury. Using your money to find out dirt and the tricks conartist are trying to do in order to get money from you and will allow you go to jail in order to think they can collect that money is NOT buying anything, it is making sure you get the right EVIDENCE that supports your innocence.

Thank you!
I can't stand when people compare MJ and OJ just because they were both rich black men when in reality they have nothing in common.
Just because OJ was guilty now all black men are guilty by relation!?
That logic is stupid and could stupidly be applied to ANY race....you won't see that happen though. *side eyes*
 

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StephluvsMJ;4153066 said:
I just came across this too. Welcome to Michael's "secret sex closet":

michael-jackson-closet-raid-2.jpg

michael-jackson-closet-raid-1.jpg

michael-jackson-closet-raid-3.jpg

michael-jackson-closet-raid-4.jpg

Sorry, but ...

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Those "new facts", those images ... looked at from a different angle it looks like a hysterical satire. Sad thing: It isn´t.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From 2005.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Again, I think we give haters too much credit. Yes, this ticks me off but I do not believe most people care. The love for Mj is nailed in stone. Most of us and the public knows how the media works and people wilth common sense can see through (if they even see this) see this as no more than a smear attempt to bother MJ on his 7th anniversary. look at what has been done through the years and MJ is still loved. yes I go into some of these sites and most people seem to support MJ while a FEW (some you can tell are really the same person who is using a different font name) talking trash and clearly are internet trolls, racist who do like black entertainers (they trash everyone who is black), or snot nose teenager looking to start mess.

You're somewhat right, but when it comes to MJ people take their hate to a much higher level then I've seen any other celeb receive.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I just came across this too. Welcome to Michael's "secret sex closet":

michael-jackson-closet-raid-2.jpg

michael-jackson-closet-raid-1.jpg

michael-jackson-closet-raid-3.jpg

michael-jackson-closet-raid-4.jpg


Honestly they are twisting and exaggerating these documents and images beyond belief. How do you take a regular closet with regular closet items and turn it into a "secret sex closet?" Much less legal art books and turn it into child porn. An artist creates a book filled with surrealistic and edgy photography. In this book a single image of a fish is shown in a basin and they call it animal torture. I am so annoyed with how they have twisted everything.

Damn! That's straight up bondage right there! *Sarcasm*
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wheres the whips and leather. ??
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Now it has reached Sweden too. I just can't stand this! They are portraying him like a monster......
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I just came across this too. Welcome to Michael's "secret sex closet":

michael-jackson-closet-raid-2.jpg

michael-jackson-closet-raid-1.jpg

michael-jackson-closet-raid-3.jpg

michael-jackson-closet-raid-4.jpg


Honestly they are twisting and exaggerating these documents and images beyond belief. How do you take a regular closet with regular closet items and turn it into a "secret sex closet?" Much less legal art books and turn it into child porn. An artist creates a book filled with surrealistic and edgy photography. In this book a single image of a fish is shown in a basin and they call it animal torture. I am so annoyed with how they have twisted everything.

Michael Jackson had a closet filled with clothes, books and trinkets? What a pervert.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Asking the fans not to acknowledge was a complete and utter cop out as far as Im concerned. Fight fire with fire. Counter act and try find out WHERE these OLD claims came from and WHY. Explain how this could be used to someone's advantage to use the "information" being reported.

Well Estate wasn't the only one told fans to ignore it, Paris also said the same thing. You need to understand the logic behind it as well. Because no matter what - even a lawsuit or fighting fire with fire - doesn't make it go away. Michael's death didn't make it go away. I'm not sure if this is a winnable battle. Furthermore I think at times fans give way too much importance to the tabloids. Sure these are extremely disturbing stuff they write that cause quite the annoyance but I don't think they have a much impact - especially not now (years later the original allegations and years after MJ's death).

In other words I don't think there are many (or any for that matter) people out there they think "I don't know what to think about allegations about MJ" and then when radar or any tabloid publishes anything they go "oh this is the information I needed, MJ is guilty". I don't think any tabloids can change opinions of people who believe MJ's innocence. What I'm trying to say is that these negative stories only appeal to people who already think MJ is guilty. So that's why we (and Estate) don't see much impact due to these kind of news stories. Respect77 have already mentioned. Robson and Safechuck allegations were timed around Xscape and Cirque shows. Did those shows, attendance, sales negatively affected by those news? No. That's why I think it is fans that give way too much importance to the tabloid stories. If they are just haters hating on MJ for the millionth time, going on and on their hamster wheel and cause no major impact or perception change in the process, it could be wise to ignore them.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I heard that he once (slowly and sexually) took his jacket off in that closet.
It had to have been a positively scandalous display.
This has to be the most sexual closet the world has ever seen.....just look at it being all sexual and closety.:rofl:
 
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