[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Michael Jackson had a closet filled with clothes, books and trinkets? What a pervert.

I know, right? I used to think Michael Jackson was innocent, but after seeing a closet filled with clothes, CLOTHES! I have to say that I am convinced of his guilt now.
 

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Re: Why is all this bad stuff coming out about MJ again ?

What concerns me isn't the artbook stuff - it's the footage. I mean.. What the hell is going on!
 

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I know, right? I used to think Michael Jackson was innocent, but after seeing a closet filled with clothes, CLOTHES! I have to say that I am convinced of his guilt now.

That closet was truly a hedonistic wonderland.
Never before have I seen such sexual deviancy.:rofl:
 

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Here's some more damming evidence. In Michael Jackson's bathroom there was a toothbrush! I can't believe he had so many of us fooled!
 

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Re: Why is all this bad stuff coming out about MJ again ?

What concerns me isn't the artbook stuff - it's the footage. I mean.. What the hell is going on!


Don't let any of this stupid mess shake your faith in MJ, all of it is old news and all of it has been put in a media blender and blown out of proportion as is the norm when it comes to Michael.

Michael could've had one of those "Hang in There" kitten posters and the media would say that Michael enjoyed seeing frightened animals fall to their deaths.
 
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What concerns me isn't the artbook stuff - it's the footage. I mean.. What the hell is going on!

What's the thing that concerns you exactly? Radar Online was claiming that there were found ''shocking'' and ''disgusting'' stuff. All I did see, was just arcade games, Michael's AWESOME jackets, a lot of awesome toys, a big sized Superman and Tomb raider statue and more toys and puppets. Was this the thing that was shocking that Radar Online claimed?
 

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So that's why we (and Estate) don't see much impact due to these kind of news stories. Respect77 have already mentioned. Robson and Safechuck allegations were timed around Xscape and Cirque shows. Did those shows, attendance, sales negatively affected by those news? No. That's why I think it is fans that give way too much importance to the tabloid stories.
You are right of course, in a way. And if those 'news' were about Michael 'wanting to be black' or something of that kind, I would totally agree - leave it and try to ignore it.

But I think this has a somewhat different impact. They're depicting these 'news' as something new, something that's come up recently. So people might think 'wait a minute, he was vindicated, but now that new stuff has come up, he's totally guilty'. And I think it's natural that fans are feeling sorry, angry and betrayed again.

I'm not critizising you. Basically, I would totally agree, but this recent campaign has reached a magnitude, with all the international coverage and all of that, that fans are just worried that Michael might be 'the dirty paedo' once more. He never really got rid of that accusation anyway and now this shitty tabloid is dragging him in that corner again and I'm just so sad and angry and worried, all at the same time.

I mean, it's 2003-2005 all over again. And I guess that the whole paedo-discussion back then has left huge scars in every one of us. Because it was unfair and unjust. I'm SO SAD at the moment because Michael's privacy is out in the open again. And those are things that were so private to him!! I mean, no one of us would reveal that kind of information and now he's passed away and can't defend himself any more.
To be honest, I just feel totally helpless and sad and angry because they're dragging him in the mud with NO proof and NO evidence and I'm just fed up by all this sh***. :cry:


I'm sorry, this might not be a very useful post. But that whole 2005 trial and all the worries we had is just coming up again. :(
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm not saying where I live, but I haven't seen any mention of it on any true news show (or even shows like TMZ for that matter).
So no mention of it on TV where I am.
They even played Rock With You on Fox News this morning. :)
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"Is It Scary?"

There's a ghost out in the hall
Theirs a goul beneath the bed
Now it's coming through the walls
Now it's coming down the stairs

Then there's screaming in the dark
Hear the beating of his heart
Can you feel it in the air
Ghosts be hiding everywhere

I'm gonna be
Exactly what you wanna see
It's you whose haunting me
Your warning me
To be the stranger
In your life

Am I amusing you
Or just confusing you
Am I the beast
You visualised
And if you wanna to see
Eccentrialities
I'll be grotesque
Before your eyes


Let them all materialise

Is that scary for you baby
Am I scary for you oh
Is it scary for you baby
Is it scary for you

You know the stranger is you
Is it scary for you baby

There's a creak beneath the floor
There's a creak behind the door
There's a rocking in the chair
But nobody sitting there
Their's a ghostly smell around
But nobody to be found
And a coughin' and a yawnin'
Where restless soul's spoke

I'm gonna be
Exactly what you gonna see
So did you come to me
To see your fantasies
Performed before your very eyes


A haunting ghostly treat
The foolish trickery
And spirits dancing
In the light

But if you came to see
The truth the purity
It's here inside
A lonely heart

So let the performance start

Is that scary for you baby
Am I scary for you oh
Am I scary for you baby
Am I scary for you
So tell me is it scary for you baby
So tell me is it crazy for you baby
Am I scary for you

You know the stranger is you
Am I scary for ya

Masquerade the heart
Is the height of haunting souls
Just not what you seek of me
Can the heart reveal the proof
Like a mirror reveals the truth
See the evil one is you


Is that scary for you baby
Am I scary for you oh
Am I scary for you baby
Is it scary for you
So tell me am I scary for you baby
Am I scary for ya baby
Is is scary for ya baby
Am I scary for you
(I don't wanna talk about it)

Am I scary for you baby
Am I scary for you
I'm tired of being abused
You know you're scaring me too
I see the evil is you
Is it scary for you baby


:( ... sad story of his life.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Here's some more damming evidence. In Michael Jackson's bathroom there was a toothbrush! I can't believe he had so many of us fooled!

The sexual activity that took place in the bathroom was most shocking. Michael would literally stare at himself in the mirror, take the toothbrush into his hands and press the bristles up against his lips. Then he would smile and proceed to insert the brush into his mouth and move it back and forth across his teeth. He was truly sick and disturbed.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh, damn... Michael should have keep his ''dark secrets'' in the closet. Damn, those clothes and books are sick minded indeed! I believe everything what Radar Online says. Gosh, I can't understand how Michael could put all those clothes and books in his filthy closet! **** Radar Online, **** the tabloid! :flip: I hope karma strikes one day at those people.
 

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Second nothing they are posting is illegal. These are old documents already released and stuff added from internet. Search videos are publicly available for years on youtube as well. So they can't sue.

I am pretty sure slander is illegal. They say MJ had child porn when he did not. Of course MJ is dead so legally he can't sue for slander however when they call art books "child porn" then they also accuse the artists which is also illegal. But that of course is the choice of an artist whether he chooses to sue or not.

Well Estate wasn't the only one told fans to ignore it, Paris also said the same thing. You need to understand the logic behind it as well. Because no matter what - even a lawsuit or fighting fire with fire - doesn't make it go away. Michael's death didn't make it go away. I'm not sure if this is a winnable battle. Furthermore I think at times fans give way too much importance to the tabloids. Sure these are extremely disturbing stuff they write that cause quite the annoyance but I don't think they have a much impact - especially not now (years later the original allegations and years after MJ's death).

In other words I don't think there are many (or any for that matter) people out there they think "I don't know what to think about allegations about MJ" and then when radar or any tabloid publishes anything they go "oh this is the information I needed, MJ is guilty". I don't think any tabloids can change opinions of people who believe MJ's innocence. What I'm trying to say is that these negative stories only appeal to people who already think MJ is guilty. So that's why we (and Estate) don't see much impact due to these kind of news stories. Respect77 have already mentioned. Robson and Safechuck allegations were timed around Xscape and Cirque shows. Did those shows, attendance, sales negatively affected by those news? No. That's why I think it is fans that give way too much importance to the tabloid stories. If they are just haters hating on MJ for the millionth time, going on and on their hamster wheel and cause no major impact or perception change in the process, it could be wise to ignore them.

I am not overly critical of the Estate at all, but I don't agree with this attitude at all. Paris is still a kid basically so I wouldn't compare her role to the Estate in this. There are situations where no reply is the best attitude but this is not that situation, I am sorry. And yes, a lot of people who formerly on the fence are now convinced by this lie that MJ was guilty. So it is extremely harmful.
 

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Well Estate wasn't the only one told fans to ignore it, Paris also said the same thing. You need to understand the logic behind it as well. Because no matter what - even a lawsuit or fighting fire with fire - doesn't make it go away. Michael's death didn't make it go away. I'm not sure if this is a winnable battle. Furthermore I think at times fans give way too much importance to the tabloids. Sure these are extremely disturbing stuff they write that cause quite the annoyance but I don't think they have a much impact - especially not now (years later the original allegations and years after MJ's death).

In other words I don't think there are many (or any for that matter) people out there they think "I don't know what to think about allegations about MJ" and then when radar or any tabloid publishes anything they go "oh this is the information I needed, MJ is guilty". I don't think any tabloids can change opinions of people who believe MJ's innocence. What I'm trying to say is that these negative stories only appeal to people who already think MJ is guilty. So that's why we (and Estate) don't see much impact due to these kind of news stories. Respect77 have already mentioned. Robson and Safechuck allegations were timed around Xscape and Cirque shows. Did those shows, attendance, sales negatively affected by those news? No. That's why I think it is fans that give way too much importance to the tabloid stories. If they are just haters hating on MJ for the millionth time, going on and on their hamster wheel and cause no major impact or perception change in the process, it could be wise to ignore them.

Economic independence is essential to think and speak rationally.

your post is nothing but proof that the estate cares about nothing but money. If he is bringing them money, then everything is OK. While his reputation is being dragged through the mud, but that does not matter because people are still attending the shows?. Maybe his name is no longer bringing them the money they want? Most probably. Maybe that was because of the continuous smear campaign that they refused to address properly. Maybe that's why they sold his biggest assets because his name is no longer that profitable to them. His reputation is hurting but their pockets are not because when his damaged reputation affected their income, they sold his assets. Are they going to use these articles in their case against the IRS? Probably. Won't be surprised. " we told you his name was not worth more than 2,000 in life, and even in death".
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Here's some more damming evidence. In Michael Jackson's bathroom there was a toothbrush! I can't believe he had so many of us fooled!

That's disgusting. I bet his DNA was all over it and he didn't even try to hide it :no:
 

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I am pretty sure slander is illegal. They say MJ had child porn when he did not. Of course MJ is dead so legally he can't sue for slander however when they call art books "child porn" then they also accuse the artists which is also illegal. But that of course is the choice of an artist whether he chooses to sue or not.



I am not overly critical of the Estate at all, but I don't agree with this attitude at all. Paris is still a kid basically so I wouldn't compare her role to the Estate in this. There are situations where no reply is the best attitude but this is not that situation, I am sorry. And yes, a lot of people who formerly on the fence are now convinced by this lie that MJ was guilty. So it is extremely harmful.

As always Respect77 you've hit the nail on the head
 

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And BTW, it is also a dangerous game by the Estate not to refute it because IMO Robson is now laying the groundwork for a public atmosphere where the Estate would be in a more difficult situation if the Robson/Safechuck case goes to trial. More difficult to find jurors who have no prejudice against MJ (of course, you try to filter that with jury selection but there is a bigger risk now). Lots of people feeling he got away with it in 2005, so Robson and Safechuck's claims should almost automatically be believed. Public pressure on the jurors because it becomes "common (un)wisdom" that he was guilty. It really puts them in a more difficult situation regarding the civil case where there is a lesser burden of proof.
 

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But I think this has a somewhat different impact. They're depicting these 'news' as something new, something that's come up recently. So people might think 'wait a minute, he was vindicated, but now that new stuff has come up, he's totally guilty'. And I think it's natural that fans are feeling sorry, angry and betrayed again.

I totally understand fans anger. I also don't say that tabloids and allegations didn't cause any issues. They did but the impact of it happened in 93 and 05. I personally think people have already made up their minds - good or bad- and stuff said now doesn't have much impact anymore.

I am pretty sure slander is illegal. They say MJ had child porn when he did not. Of course MJ is dead so legally he can't sue for slander however when they call art books "child porn" then they also accuse the artists which is also illegal. But that of course is the choice of an artist whether he chooses to sue or not.

Like we both said MJ Estate can't sue for any slander, defamation or libel. The artists can sue but as they are public figures (at least to an extent) need to show actual damages. How many people look to the books in detail, pay attention to the name of the artist and believe they are shooting "child porn" and decide not to buy their art books again? You can argue that this is such a terrible accusation that they don't need to show damages. But again how many people are paying attention to the books and the artists of the books?

And yes, a lot of people who formerly on the fence are now convinced by this lie that MJ was guilty.

I disagree with that. If people on the fence changed their opinion that's because of Robson and Safechuck allegations. I don't think people change opinions due to Radar or any tabloid.

estate cares about nothing but money.

I'm not quite sure what are you trying to hint in your usual passive aggressive way and sorry I don't do conspiracy theories based on thin air. That being said, I really don't get why people get so pressed about Estate and money though. Their job definition is to pay debts and provide for beneficiaries. How does that happen? Yes, Money.

As he is the most earning deceased celebrity, I'm quite sure he is earning good enough money and doesn't suffer much from the smear campaigns.
 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Saw this on Twitter last night.

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An almost perfect image depicting this current mess and so many others in the past. I think the halo and wings get in the way though of Michael' humanity and innocence. He need not be depicted as a perfect creature for him to be blameless in this horrible exercise of slander.

In any case, I tend to agree with those who say that tabloids and their supporters are given far too much credit. There may be reasons to lose faith in humanity, but I still think many more people can see through these shady tactics. Guess what? Not every one tunes into the truly freakish tabloids, not everyone feels the need to have a social media account or use it that frequently. Some people actually have a life of their own and don't have the time to waste on such malicious lies. And although a few may have been swayed by this latest tabloid storm, I bet many more will celebrate Michael's life and character come Saturday.
 

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Unfortunately this can alter people's minds because they don't see it as "a story from a tabloid" they see it as "OMG amazing BRAND NEW documents prove MJ owned child porn! Why weren't these submitted in court before??? MYSTERY!!!! But this proves everything now!!!!"

This is 100% Wade Robson's doing, as is that original "FBI files" from when his story first broke.

Remember we posted that one of our friends spoke to a journalist who said Robson had been calling journalists around to try and find any dirt on MJ they had. This guy had nothing. Those "FBI files" were all they could find.

Years later and again the worst they can find are these documents involving books and things already reviewed and presented to the jury in 2005.

Wade's lawyers and people are very close to Radaronline. Always have been.

This is another desperate attempt again to try and force MJ's estate to settle, just as the FBI documents were. This is all they have. They know their case is so shit that this is all they have left.

I do hope it goes to court. I know MJ's name would be smeared again, but god, I'd love to drag Robson to within an inch of his pathetic life.
 

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The estate made a statement on Billboard:

Seven years ago this coming Saturday, the world lost an amazing artist and humanitarian devoted to helping children in need in all corners of the world. Michael Jackson's fans, including the Executors of his estate, prefer to remember the wonderful gifts Michael left behind instead of having to once again see his good name dragged through the mud by tabloid trash.

Everything in these reports, including what the County of Santa Barbara calls "content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources" is false, no doubt timed to the anniversary of Michael's passing. Those who continue to shamelessly exploit Michael via sleazy internet "click bait" ignore that he was acquitted by a jury in 2005 on every one of the 14 salacious charges brought against him in a failed witch hunt.

Michael remains just as innocent of these smears in death as he was in life even though he isn't here to defend himself. Enough is enough.
 

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I don't know what to say anymore. I'm disgusted by all this B.S. It's time to keep fighting the fight I guess. I'm not a violent person but I feel like kicking the shit out of someone (Wade)(Safechuck). If there is the possibility of a song Mj has in the vault that goes straight to this issue that has not been released now is the time to bring it out even if it's explicit! This is so old and so rehashed it is tiring. We just can't give up ever!
 

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And BTW, it is also a dangerous game by the Estate not to refute it because IMO Robson is now laying the groundwork for a public atmosphere where the Estate would be in a more difficult situation if the Robson/Safechuck case goes to trial. More difficult to find jurors who have no prejudice against MJ (of course, you try to filter that with jury selection but there is a bigger risk now). Lots of people feeling he got away with it in 2005, so Robson and Safechuck's claims should almost automatically be believed. Public pressure on the jurors because it becomes "common (un)wisdom" that he was guilty. It really puts them in a more difficult situation regarding the civil case where there is a lesser burden of proof.

I disagree with this. In 93 there was a grand jury refusing to indict. In 2005 jurors found MJ not guilty despite media non stop calling him guilty. Despite everything jurors did not fail MJ and they deserve more credit to be able to limit themselves to what is presented to them at court and make rational decisions solely based on evidence presented.

If anything this shows how desperate Robson and Safechuck are. People with strong cases don't need to try it in the media, they don't need "leaks" or stories. TMez was the one who asked for a gag order. He didn't need to try the case in media, he didn't need to change public perception. He tried and won it in court.

All I see is desperation.
 

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I couldn't believe it when I saw this bull**** popping up in my Facebook news feed yesterday. I just got done convincing my aunt of his innocence a few days prior. I told her all the crap published in the media were lies and sent her multiple links showing the facts, and then this crap comes out. I told her yesterday not to pay any attention to this crap it's just more lies and twisted information.

Sadly, I know a lot of people are going to believe this garbage no matter what I say.
 

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MattyJam;4152995 said:
Don't worry about MJ's legacy. As long as there are millions of people who love his music and believe in his character, then his legacy will be just fine. It has endured far worse than this.

Each new generation (even before it gets to know his music) will be exposed to such defamatory stories about MJ. So, his legacy is not fine just because there are millions of people who love his music & believe in his character.

People who legally represent MJ’s legacy (Estate, his family) have to take precautionary steps & sue anyone who tries to disseminate obscure & damaging stories about MJ. Otherwise, his legacy will be forever tarnished by the tabloids.
 
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