[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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No surprise that Wade said he didn’t care what the estate did. He said that before. I would expect no less from someone like him. Personally, these guys make me sick.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notice how Edwards refuses to give a direct answer when asked &quot;Did you reach out to them?&quot;<br><br>&quot;Uh, we met, we met through, uh, their—the amazing documentary.&quot;<br><br>Did they meet through their attorneys?<br>Through Reed?<br>Through them approaching him?<br>Through Oprah connecting the trio?<br>&#129300; <a href="https://t.co/A43Kl7FNQl">pic.twitter.com/A43Kl7FNQl</a></p>&mdash; TSCM (@MJJRepository) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1196602721517871105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today's hearing took place a short walk from Los Angeles Union Station, which this year celebrated its 80th anniversary. This means Safechuck now knows what it's like to be near a train station that was operating from 1988 to 1992. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LiesOfLeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LiesOfLeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/owLfqiRNBu">pic.twitter.com/owLfqiRNBu</a></p>&mdash; Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1196688916922810373?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Lawsuits by Michael Jackson accusers likely to be restored (Source MJ Vibe)

A California appeals court appeared strongly inclined Monday to give new life to lawsuits filed by two men who accuse Michael Jackson of repeatedly molesting them when they were boys.

In a tentative ruling, three judges said that lawsuits from James Safechuck and Wade Robson against two corporate entities that Jackson owned should be reconsidered by the trial court that dismissed them in 2017.

Both sat in court this Monday and looked like a &#8220;Leaving Neverland II&#8221;!

Outside, their attorney Vince Finaldi said the decision was the right one, and they are pleased.

&#8220;All they&#8217;ve ever wanted is their day in court,&#8221; Finaldi said.

The move marks a high-profile outcome for a new California law signed last month by state governor Gavin Newsom, which raised the age ceiling for victims of sexual abuse to file lawsuits from age 28 to age 40.It also gives victims of all ages a three-year window to sue, starting 1 January.

The new law was proposed in the wake of the scandal involving Larry Nassar, the former US Olympic gymnastics teams doctor convicted of sexually abusing young athletes.

Previously, survivors of child sexual abuse had to file a lawsuit within eight years of becoming an adult. The new law has opened the floodgates to a wave of potential lawsuits, and advocates said the reforms have given new hope to victims who previously had no options in the legal system to seek justice.

&#8220;The idea that someone who is assaulted as a child can actually run out of time to report that abuse is outrageous,&#8221; said Lorena Gonzalez, the California assemblywoman, when she introduced the bill. &#8220;More and more, we&#8217;re hearing about people who were victims years ago but were not ready to come forward to tell their story until now. We shouldn&#8217;t be telling victims their time is up when in reality we need them to come forward to protect the community from future abuse.&#8221;

The tentative decision does not revive the actual Jackson estate as a defendant. A 2015 decision throwing out that part of the lawsuit will stand. The remaining defendants are the two corporate entities, MJJ Productions Inc, and MJJ Ventures, Inc.

Attorneys for Jackson&#8217;s estate accepted that the cases must be returned to the trial court under the new legislation, but emphasized that the ruling is unrelated to the allegations they have long denounced as demonstrably false.

&#8220;This new law extends the time for genuine victims of abuse to file legal claims,&#8221; said Howard L Weitzman, Jackson estate attorney, in a statement. &#8220;The appellate court&#8217;s tentative ruling is not on the merits of Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s allegations and the court in no way said that these cases will go to trial. Neither does it reverse the 2015 rulings dismissing Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s claims against the estate, which are final and no longer subject to any appeals. We are confident that the claims against Michael Jackson&#8217;s corporate entities will, once again, be dismissed as has happened before.&#8221;

It seems the Estate is prepared for this and they are currently working to Defend Michael Jackson. It might be also a blessing in disguise as both proven liars will have to show a court of justice what they are saying is the truth and stick to what they told millions of people in &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221;. Might be difficult for them as &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; was debunked by fans around the world!

As fans, it might be a hard time ahead but as usual, we will do everything we can to defend an innocent man: Michael Jackson.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a MUST READ regarding Vince Finaldi's firm fishing for clients, which is illegal. AND, they intimate that the firm was attempting coercion! THIS is the law firm that represents both Robson and Safechuck. <a href="https://t.co/HHGdGJH9Fu">https://t.co/HHGdGJH9Fu</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1196822922788098049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. November 2019</a></blockquote>
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Here's a thread explaining the law change:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="hu"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So let me explain what exactly changed in the California Code of Civil Procedure that enabled Wade Robson and James Safechuck to save their cases from being dismissed and what this means for the future.</p>&mdash; Justice for The Falsely Accused (@JuliaBerkowitz1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaBerkowitz1/status/1196824416866451458?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2019. november 19.</a></blockquote>
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California moves to resurrect lawsuits at heart of Michael Jackson documentary

Judges say James Safechuck and Wade Robson&#8217;s suits should be reconsidered, a high profile outcome for a new sexual abuse law

A California appeals court appeared strongly inclined on Monday to give new life to lawsuits filed by two men who accuse Michael Jackson of repeatedly molesting them when they were boys.

In a tentative ruling, three judges said that lawsuits from James Safechuck and Wade Robson against two corporate entities that Jackson owned should be reconsidered by the trial court that dismissed them in 2017.

Robson, 37, and Safechuck, 41, who became known to a broad audience when they aired their accusations earlier this year in the Emmy-winning HBO documentary Leaving Neverland, sat together in a downtown Los Angeles courtroom during Monday&#8217;s brief hearing.

Outside, their attorney Vince Finaldi said the decision was the right one, and they are pleased.

&#8220;All they&#8217;ve ever wanted is their day in court,&#8221; Finaldi said.

&#8220;The idea that someone who is assaulted as a child can actually run out of time to report that abuse is outrageous,&#8221; said Lorena Gonzalez, the California assemblywoman, when she introduced the bill. &#8220;More and more, we&#8217;re hearing about people who were victims years ago but were not ready to come forward to tell their story until now. We shouldn&#8217;t be telling victims their time is up when in reality we need them to come forward to protect the community from future abuse.&#8221;

With the new law in place, lawyers are anticipating a surge of litigation that could impact institutions such as the Roman Catholic church and the Boy Scouts of America, along with school districts, hospitals, youth sports groups and other entities.

The tentative decision does not revive the actual Jackson estate as a defendant. A 2015 decision throwing out that part of the lawsuit will stand. The remaining defendants are the two corporate entities, MJJ Productions, and MJJ Ventures.

Attorneys for Jackson&#8217;s estate accepted that the cases must be returned to the trial court under the new legislation, but emphasized that the ruling is unrelated to the allegations they have long denounced as demonstrably false.

&#8220;This new law extends the time for genuine victims of abuse to file legal claims,&#8221; said Howard L Weitzman, Jackson estate attorney, in a statement. &#8220;The appellate court&#8217;s tentative ruling is not on the merits of Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s allegations and the court in no way said that these cases will go to trial. Neither does it reverse the 2015 rulings dismissing Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s claims against the estate, which are final and no longer subject to any appeals. We are confident that the claims against Michael Jackson&#8217;s corporate entities will, once again, be dismissed as has happened before.&#8221;&#65279;

The move marks a high-profile outcome for a new California law signed last month by state governor Gavin Newsom, which raised the age ceiling for victims of sexual abuse to file lawsuits from age 28 to age 40.It also gives victims of all ages a three-year window to sue, starting 1 January.

The new law was proposed in the wake of the scandal involving Larry Nassar, the former US Olympic gymnastics teams doctor convicted of sexually abusing young athletes.

Previously, survivors of child sexual abuse had to file a lawsuit within eight years of becoming an adult. The new law has opened the floodgates to a wave of potential lawsuits, and advocates said the reforms have given new hope to victims who previously had no options in the legal system to seek justice.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/nov/18/michael-jackson-sexual-abuse-law-california
 

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elusive moonwalker;4274723 said:
Anthony edwards from ER fame. Urgh. Its all so pathetic. Turning upto court how very obvious and desperate
Yep. It seems he contributed to the shameful exploitation of real CSA victims on the Oprah show. For PR in return.

The problem is if he investigated the case he must know R&S are lying. If he didn't, on what grounds does he support them? Either way he's risking the credibility of his CSA group.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="hu"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wade &amp; James' sidekick—Anthony Edwards. He was instrumental in recruiting CSA survivors for Oprah &amp; had his group promoted on her show &amp; HBO.<br><br>His last promoted story was about outrage over Dave Chappelle daring to disbelieve such &quot;courageous&quot; accusers.<br><br>Get used to seeing him. <a href="https://t.co/O9fk7Ja8YT">pic.twitter.com/O9fk7Ja8YT</a></p>&mdash; TSCM (@MJJRepository) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1196576687850434561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2019. november 18.</a></blockquote>
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He's not very creative though:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="hu"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The posts from Anthony Edwards and Matthew Ennis are JUST copy / paste... &#128530;<br>It really shows their support... they didn&#39;t even bother post something different from one another!<br>Hypocrites! <a href="https://t.co/Sj2kPY3lkG">pic.twitter.com/Sj2kPY3lkG</a></p>&mdash; AC (@TheThirdEyeAC) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheThirdEyeAC/status/1169037631226810368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2019. szeptember 4.</a></blockquote>
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I never even heard of that Anthony Edwards guy. Has he met Michael in his lifetime? Not to my knowledge.
 

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I only recognised his face cause of the show ER. Thats what? knocking on 20 years ago? So prob before some of your ppls times? No idea if hes ever done anything else or this is chance to get back in the spotlight

You would have to laugh if it wasnt so pathetic. These people like edwards are either so thick they dont realise they are been used .so thick they dont even bother looking into accusations to help maintain credibility for real victims that they claim to care about. Dont care cause they crave attention regardless.or hate mj so much .or the best one is they are throwing stones to hide their hands.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1991 - Interview w/ Joy &amp; Wade (2 weeks before moving to US): <a href="https://t.co/g9efdVlqko">https://t.co/g9efdVlqko</a> <br><br>1995 - Interview w/ Joy &amp; Wade (post-Chandler scandal and Wade&#39;s album launch): <a href="https://t.co/QGnFVZhPOh">https://t.co/QGnFVZhPOh</a><br><br>1996 - Grandma Robson&#39;s Letter from Visits to Neverland: <a href="https://t.co/8E697cgpb6">https://t.co/8E697cgpb6</a></p>&mdash; TSCM (@MJJRepository) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1197039553154027525?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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From fans on Twitter (Thank you):

The appeals court has scheduled a due date to file the panel's opinion for February 3, 2020.

So we have a window of time to look toward. assuming their tentative ruling stands in this opinion (most likely), the cases will be remanded back to court.
 

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ScreenOrigami;4274762 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1991 - Interview w/ Joy & Wade (2 weeks before moving to US): <a href="https://t.co/g9efdVlqko">https://t.co/g9efdVlqko</a> <br><br>1995 - Interview w/ Joy & Wade (post-Chandler scandal and Wade's album launch): <a href="https://t.co/QGnFVZhPOh">https://t.co/QGnFVZhPOh</a><br><br>1996 - Grandma Robson's Letter from Visits to Neverland: <a href="https://t.co/8E697cgpb6">https://t.co/8E697cgpb6</a></p>&#8212; TSCM (@MJJRepository) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1197039553154027525?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Thank you ^ . I thought it was worthwhile copying Wade's grandmother's (Lorraine Jean Cullen) letter about her 2nd visit to Neverland here in full, as it includes interesting details.
Her first trip had been with Wade and his parents, her husband and Chantal when 'the whole family went to the Grand Canyon'.

Following is a letter (a personal account) straight from the heart that Jean wrote to her sister in Australia during her second visit to Michael's amazing home several years ago and published for the first time in 1996 - a World Exclusive - in Variety Today, renowned as Australia's Premier Variety Entertainment Magazine. It is dated May 18 and reads:

Date 18th May, sometime before 1996 (year is not clear, but is likely to be 1992, given the clue about the elephant enclosure.)

"IF I told you how unreal I thought this place was last time, then I don't have enough vocabulary to begin what it is like now," Jean wrote.

"We arrived at 12.30 Monday lunchtime. The limo picked us up at 10am and is calling for us Wednesday night. Michael has made so many changes. The gardens alone make the trip here unbelievable.

"We are the only ones here with a staff of probably 30. Hugh (Jean's husband) and I took a golf buggy ride. It is like a little convertible car. Everything is so beautifully kept. We went to the theme park and what a park!!

The carousel is incredibly magnificent and huge. Michael chose each animal which included horses, giraffes, lion, cat, dragon, rabbit, sea lion and all beautifully sculptured. There are about four across and probably 10 rows of animals. About 40 altogether, and most have a beautiful quotation printed on the side. Quotes like: `The greatest wish you can make is to see others dreams come true' and countless other messages in the same vein.

"There was also the biggest ferris wheel imaginable. Also a slide, like a water slide but no water. You use mats. But it was a bit cold for that, it goes so high.

"Security guards were here for us to use and to help us in whatever we wanted to do. There are popcorn machines, peanuts and candies and chocolates by the mile, just set out like a real fair, just help yourself. Also hot dogs and icecream from a vendor on an old fashioned bicycle.

"The trees all have a myriad of fairy lights, blinking on and off and the paths are lit with 10 strips of lights in the paving. Pergolas are set about the grounds, completely set out in lights and even have chandeliers and telescopes and lounge chairs.

"At the theme park Michael has built a two storey cubby house, each floor has a room including a lounge, TV and telephone. The trees have the most beautiful little doll houses for the birds and each has piped bird calls to encourage the birds. Music is piped all around the grounds, usually from the great musicals like Carousel, Sound of Music, Showboat and three pigs, Pinnochio etc for the kids.
"We went to the zoo which has been enlarged," said Jean.

(Update 1996: These days the train goes right around the zoo and kids can lean out and pat the animals.)
"They are building this great house on the grounds and I asked one of the guards who it was for and he tells us Michael is getting an elephant (a gift from Elizabeth Taylor)."

(Update 1996: The elephant is living in this beautiful house)

"Each animal has a beautiful shelter and the yards are so clean. He has llamas, giraffes, one lion, zebras, and heaps of other animals including an ostrich and buffalo. We went to see the monkeys and couldn't leave. They were magnificent. They live in a mobile home. Michael's sound studio is there too. We had another feed at the snack bar there (done up like a picture theatre - lollies, chocolates, everything ... just help yourself - soda fountain, icecream. You'd have to see it to believe it.

"From there we went to the games room and Michael has installed some new machines and are they mind-boggling! It is a whole house with nothing else but two storeys of video games. Three of the video games are Michael Jackson, dancing and being chased etc. They are fabulous.

"Michael sets out to save a child on each machine and is chased by thugs which you have to shoot down and Michael dances to annihilate them. His songs Bad, Smooth Criminal and Billy Jean are on each machine. Fantastically done, of course. Only the best for Michael.

"He also has a new machine. It is a space capsule and you sit in it and it takes you into space. It revolves a few times and at the same time it turns upside down. I went in but Hugh wouldn't venture. A great experience!

"So we came back for dinner and explored the house. We are in the main house and what a suite we have. My daughter has the bedroom Elizabeth Taylor has when she is here, called the Rose Room. It is bigger than our whole unit back home in Australia and our bedroom is not much smaller. We have a shower, toilet, dressing room leading onto the bedroom. You can't describe the place. You should see the woodwork, ornaments, walls are lined with fabric like coarse linen. Our room is called the soldier room simply because there are hundreds of all kinds of military figures around the walls, and on the cupboards.
"Apparently, Gregory Peck stays in this room when visiting.

"The Rose Room has the most gorgeous white carpet surrounded by red roses, same goes for the comforter sets on the bed, all matching. Ours is red with gold emblems. We have a beautiful arrangement of fresh flowers in our rooms, red tulips, jonquils, daisies and you name it. Also a basket of fresh fruit of every kind and snack packs of raisins, grape roll ups and dried fruits.

"Afterwards there was an enormous meal including strawberry cream cake made by the chef, who also made a pecan pie for lunch.
"We went back to the games room for an hour or so to work off our meal. When we came back to bed they were turned down and chocolates in the shape of Neverland Valley emblem (Peter Pan sitting on the moon) on each of our pillows and at the foot of the bed all these presents, wrapped in Neverland Valley wrapping paper.

"We each got a pen and pencil, pack of cards, watch, travelling alarm clock, T-shirt all bearing the Neverland Valley emblem. What a beautiful gesture!

"If all the people who knocked Michael Jackson could just see this place and the beautiful ... NO ... magnificent job he has done here, they would find a beautiful soul underneath.

"I could spend a week in the craft room where he has provided the most fabulous toys, books and entertainment hobbies. I just wish I could take photos because there is so much to see. I could go on and on but it has gone 2 o'clock in the morning.

"Although I am writing this at the desk in the corner of the room, I don't know how I can bear to be out of this bed, it is soooo soft. All the towels and linen are embroidered with gold on the emblem, even the soap is blue. I just wanted to get it down on paper while it is still fresh. PS: Even the toilet paper has little emblems on it.

http://archive.is/FflT4#selection-407.0-511.339
 
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DifferentKindOfLady;4274771 said:
Can someone tell me what Anthony Edwards has to do with all of this? I only know him from the ER show...
He was a victim of CSA and has a CSA group (1in6), and now lends his group's credibility to proven frauds like R&S, obviously for PR and recognition. He's supported them since LN, he attended the Oprah show and condemned Dave Chapelle for saying "I don't believe these MFs".

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="hu"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">/THREAD/ Are you wondering why Anthony Edwards is backing up those obvious frauds named Safechuck and Robson? A bit of research was enough to find out that Edwards claimed, in 2017 and full MeToo, to have been molested by producer Gary Goddard when he was 12 and Goddard 20. (1) <a href="https://t.co/4tY1kh0fS4">pic.twitter.com/4tY1kh0fS4</a></p>&mdash; HurricaneDrew (@DespicableDrew) <a href="https://twitter.com/DespicableDrew/status/1196836303544958976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2019. november 19.</a></blockquote>
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This report includes a few 'interesting' quotes from Finaldi yesterday (and a 'howler' about the 2005 trial):

Michael Jackson Accusers May Get Another Day in Court [UPDATE]

After lawsuits from prominent Michael Jackson accuser Wade Robson were dismissed in 2015 and again in 2017, three judges from California&#8217;s 2nd District Court of Appeals ruled Monday that both Robson and fellow Jackson accuser James Safechuck could see those dismissals overturned. While leaving the courthouse, Robson told TMZ, &#8220;We&#8217;re going to trial.&#8221;

The landmark ruling is the first high-profile application of Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez&#8217;s Bill 218, approved by Governor Gavin Newsom in October, which extends California&#8217;s former eight-year limit on reporting childhood sexual assault to 22 years.

AP reports that on Monday, Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s attorney, Vince Finaldi, spoke outside a Los Angeles courthouse. &#8220;All they&#8217;ve ever wanted is their day in court,&#8221; he said of the tentative ruling. The judges&#8217; decision also comes after years of public tumult for Robson specifically, who in 2013 sued the Michael Jackson estate and associated corporate entities MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures, for a seven-year period of alleged molestation by Jackson. The case lasted two years, before the court ruled in 2015 that the statute of limitations had expired on Robson&#8217;s accusations, who first reported them in 2005 at Jackson&#8217;s criminal trial.
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In a phone interview with Jezebel, Finaldi said that both the dismissals are indeed being reversed, and that the cases will be sent back to the trial courts, where they will follow the standard litigation and then trial procedure. He also said that since the Jackson estate doesn&#8217;t have the statute of limitations defense doesn&#8217;t apply anymore, &#8220;The question is whether these kids were abused or not.&#8221; As Finaldi sees it, &#8220;That&#8217;s a factual question that a judge cannot decide, it has to be sent to a jury if you&#8217;ve requested a jury trial.&#8221; (Jackson estate attorney Howard L. Weitzman did not immediately respond to Jezebel&#8217;s request for comment, but we will update if and when we hear back.)

After the 2015 ruling, the Michael Jackson estate was dropped from the initial suit. In 2017, a judge dismissed the remaining suit against MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures. As AP reported at the time, the court claimed that the corporate entities representing Jackson&#8217;s business interests should not be held accountable for any charges of molestation or sexual assault leveled against the singer.

In the wake of that ruling, Finaldi told AP that the court had set a precarious legal position for future lawsuits, claiming that corporations could now see themselves above the actions of their employees, even if those employees &#8220;hire people, use these people to facilitate your sexual abuse, use them to facilitate victims.&#8221; Both corporations still operate and control Michael Jackson&#8217;s intellectual property, but with the 2015 and 2017 dismissals reversed, Finaldi told Jezebel that both entities are still actively culpable in the alleged abuse and sexual assaults carried out against his clients. &#8220;These are the corporations that did everything,&#8221; Finaldi said. &#8220;They are the ones that negotiated the meetings with the kids, set up the photo shoot, dance rehearsals, dance events, video shoots, everything. They did everything from picking them up to booking plane tickets and reservations in hotels. All of it was orchestrated through these corporations. These were Michael Jackson&#8217;s employees.&#8221;

In response to the ruling Monday, Jackson estate lawyer Weitzman told the AP:

&#8220;This new law extends the time for genuine victims of abuse to file legal claims. The appellate court&#8217;s tentative ruling is not on the merits of Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s allegations and the court in no way said that these cases will go to trial. Neither does it reverse the 2015 rulings dismissing Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s claims against the estate, which are final and no longer subject to any appeals. We are confident that the claims against Michael Jackson&#8217;s corporate entities will, once again, be dismissed as has happened before.&#8221;

Finaldi, meanwhile, said that the judges&#8217; official ruling can be expected &#8220;within the next few days.&#8221; He told Jezebel that Robson and Safechuck are not asking for anything specific of the estate or Jackson&#8217;s holding corporations**, monetary or otherwise, and that they will leave that decision to the jury.

Update (9:00 p.m.) Below is a statement provided by representatives for the Jackson estate to Jezebel after the publication of this post.

The Jackson Estate understands that the Court of Appeal agrees that these cases must be returned to the trial court to be analyzed under the new law signed by Governor Newsom. This new law extends the time for genuine victims of abuse to file legal claims. The Appellate Court&#8217;s tentative ruling is not on the merits of Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s allegations and the Court in no way said that these cases will go to trial. Neither does it reverse the 2015 rulings dismissing Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s claims against the Estate, which are final and no longer subject to any appeals. We are confident that the claims against Michael Jackson&#8217;s corporate entities will, once again, be dismissed as has happened before. Howard L. Weitzman, Attorney for the Estate of Michael Jackson

https://jezebel.com/michael-jackson-accusers-may-get-another-day-in-court-1839944137

** Here's the 'nothing specific' that R and S are asking for:
1. Past, present and future general damages
2. Past, present and future special damages, including but not limited to past present and future loss of earnings, economic damages and others
3. Any appropriate punitive or exemplary damages against MJJ Productions, MJJ Ventures and Does 6-50 (Co. employees)
4. Any appropriate statutory damages
5. Costs of suit
6. Interest allowed by law
7. Attorney's fees
 
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ozemouze;4274773 said:
He was a victim of CSA and has a CSA group (1in6), and now lends his group's credibility to proven frauds like R&S, obviously for PR and recognition. He's supported them since LN, he attended the Oprah show and condemned Dave Chapelle for saying "I don't believe these MFs".

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="hu"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">/THREAD/ Are you wondering why Anthony Edwards is backing up those obvious frauds named Safechuck and Robson? A bit of research was enough to find out that Edwards claimed, in 2017 and full MeToo, to have been molested by producer Gary Goddard when he was 12 and Goddard 20. (1) <a href="https://t.co/4tY1kh0fS4">pic.twitter.com/4tY1kh0fS4</a></p>&#8212; HurricaneDrew (@DespicableDrew) <a href="https://twitter.com/DespicableDrew/status/1196836303544958976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2019. november 19.</a></blockquote>
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But Goddard apparently said these (allegations by Anthony Edwards) were false allegations?

Sam Singer, a spokesman for Goddard, told BuzzFeed News in a statement on Nov. 10 that the producer "unequivocally" denies Edwards' allegations and "is saddened by the false allegations."

"The post by Anthony, as well as many of the news stories today reference a legal claim made against Gary approximately four years ago regarding sexual harassment," Singer said. "The complaint was demonstrated to be fraudulent as it was completely fabricated, and ultimately withdrawn by the complainant and his attorneys."

In 2014, Goddard and X-Men director Bryan Singer were sued for allegedly sexually abusing two teenage boys, but the lawsuits were later withdrawn.
Edwards said he has been through therapy and has learned from the experience.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/marcusjones/anthony-edwards-gary-goddard
 

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myosotis;4274797 said:
The case lasted two years, before the court ruled in 2015 that the statute of limitations had expired on Robson’s accusations, who first reported them in 2005 at Jackson’s criminal trial.

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But Goddard apparently said these (allegations by Anthony Edwards) were false allegations?

Sam Singer, a spokesman for Goddard, told BuzzFeed News in a statement on Nov. 10 that the producer "unequivocally" denies Edwards' allegations and "is saddened by the false allegations."

"The post by Anthony, as well as many of the news stories today reference a legal claim made against Gary approximately four years ago regarding sexual harassment," Singer said. "The complaint was demonstrated to be fraudulent as it was completely fabricated, and ultimately withdrawn by the complainant and his attorneys."

In 2014, Goddard and X-Men director Bryan Singer were sued for allegedly sexually abusing two teenage boys, but the lawsuits were later withdrawn.
Edwards said he has been through therapy and has learned from the experience.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/marcusjones/anthony-edwards-gary-goddard
I don't know about his case enough so I can't comment on the merit of his allegation. But supporting LN doesn't help the credibility of his organisation even if it's authentic. Although historical abuse allegations are complicated issues as it's hard to either prove or defend them, R&S's case is an exception as they provably told several lies and events that are simply impossible. So Edwards either didn't investigate the case and then he shouldn't lend the support of his organisation to it, or he knows they are lying but still supports them for PR and recognition.

Sadly genuine victims/activists also contributed to the derailment of the me too movement by blindly supporting anyone claiming abuse without fact checking and dismissing the presumption of innocence alarmingly easily. Maybe they were too emotionally involved to be able to judge rationally or they convinced themselves it's for the good cause, but one thing's for sure: this will hurt their case in the long run.

Sometimes I have this conspiracy-like feeling that the movement was also deliberately derailed by exactly those who felt threatened by it. It couldn't be stopped anymore but there are other ways to discredit something, like going overboard with it. This will cause confusion eventually and in the chaos the focus can be shifted as wanted (anyone remember what was supposed to be the big thing at Sundance 2019? Not that last minute addition LN, but Untouchable...). Plus the take-over of extremist opinions and dismissal of due process will alienate the rational thinking part of the public. Mission accomplished.
 

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Sometimes I have this conspiracy-like feeling that the movement was also deliberately derailed by exactly those who felt threatened by it. It couldn't be stopped anymore but there are other ways to discredit something, like going overboard with it. This will cause confusion eventually and in the chaos the focus can be shifted as wanted

Interesting hypothesis.
 

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ozemouze;4274773 said:
He was a victim of CSA and has a CSA group (1in6), and now lends his group's credibility to proven frauds like R&S, obviously for PR and recognition. He's supported them since LN, he attended the Oprah show and condemned Dave Chapelle for saying "I don't believe these MFs".

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="hu"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">/THREAD/ Are you wondering why Anthony Edwards is backing up those obvious frauds named Safechuck and Robson? A bit of research was enough to find out that Edwards claimed, in 2017 and full MeToo, to have been molested by producer Gary Goddard when he was 12 and Goddard 20. (1) <a href="https://t.co/4tY1kh0fS4">pic.twitter.com/4tY1kh0fS4</a></p>&#8212; HurricaneDrew (@DespicableDrew) <a href="https://twitter.com/DespicableDrew/status/1196836303544958976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2019. november 19.</a></blockquote>
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Thanks! I used to like him in ER but now Im not so sure!
 

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This report includes a few 'interesting' quotes from Finaldi yesterday (and a 'howler' about the 2005 trial):

Michael Jackson Accusers May Get Another Day in Court [UPDATE]

After lawsuits from prominent Michael Jackson accuser Wade Robson were dismissed in 2015 and again in 2017, three judges from California&#8217;s 2nd District Court of Appeals ruled Monday that both Robson and fellow Jackson accuser James Safechuck could see those dismissals overturned. While leaving the courthouse, Robson told TMZ, &#8220;We&#8217;re going to trial.&#8221;

The landmark ruling is the first high-profile application of Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez&#8217;s Bill 218, approved by Governor Gavin Newsom in October, which extends California&#8217;s former eight-year limit on reporting childhood sexual assault to 22 years.

AP reports that on Monday, Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s attorney, Vince Finaldi, spoke outside a Los Angeles courthouse. &#8220;All they&#8217;ve ever wanted is their day in court,&#8221; he said of the tentative ruling. The judges&#8217; decision also comes after years of public tumult for Robson specifically, who in 2013 sued the Michael Jackson estate and associated corporate entities MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures, for a seven-year period of alleged molestation by Jackson. The case lasted two years, before the court ruled in 2015 that the statute of limitations had expired on Robson&#8217;s accusations, who first reported them in 2005 at Jackson&#8217;s criminal trial.
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In a phone interview with Jezebel, Finaldi said that both the dismissals are indeed being reversed, and that the cases will be sent back to the trial courts, where they will follow the standard litigation and then trial procedure. He also said that since the Jackson estate doesn&#8217;t have the statute of limitations defense doesn&#8217;t apply anymore, &#8220;The question is whether these kids were abused or not.&#8221; As Finaldi sees it, &#8220;That&#8217;s a factual question that a judge cannot decide, it has to be sent to a jury if you&#8217;ve requested a jury trial.&#8221; (Jackson estate attorney Howard L. Weitzman did not immediately respond to Jezebel&#8217;s request for comment, but we will update if and when we hear back.)

After the 2015 ruling, the Michael Jackson estate was dropped from the initial suit. In 2017, a judge dismissed the remaining suit against MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures. As AP reported at the time, the court claimed that the corporate entities representing Jackson&#8217;s business interests should not be held accountable for any charges of molestation or sexual assault leveled against the singer.

In the wake of that ruling, Finaldi told AP that the court had set a precarious legal position for future lawsuits, claiming that corporations could now see themselves above the actions of their employees, even if those employees &#8220;hire people, use these people to facilitate your sexual abuse, use them to facilitate victims.&#8221; Both corporations still operate and control Michael Jackson&#8217;s intellectual property, but with the 2015 and 2017 dismissals reversed, Finaldi told Jezebel that both entities are still actively culpable in the alleged abuse and sexual assaults carried out against his clients. &#8220;These are the corporations that did everything,&#8221; Finaldi said. &#8220;They are the ones that negotiated the meetings with the kids, set up the photo shoot, dance rehearsals, dance events, video shoots, everything. They did everything from picking them up to booking plane tickets and reservations in hotels. All of it was orchestrated through these corporations. These were Michael Jackson&#8217;s employees.&#8221;

In response to the ruling Monday, Jackson estate lawyer Weitzman told the AP:

&#8220;This new law extends the time for genuine victims of abuse to file legal claims. The appellate court&#8217;s tentative ruling is not on the merits of Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s allegations and the court in no way said that these cases will go to trial. Neither does it reverse the 2015 rulings dismissing Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s claims against the estate, which are final and no longer subject to any appeals. We are confident that the claims against Michael Jackson&#8217;s corporate entities will, once again, be dismissed as has happened before.&#8221;

Finaldi, meanwhile, said that the judges&#8217; official ruling can be expected &#8220;within the next few days.&#8221; He told Jezebel that Robson and Safechuck are not asking for anything specific of the estate or Jackson&#8217;s holding corporations**, monetary or otherwise, and that they will leave that decision to the jury.

Update (9:00 p.m.) Below is a statement provided by representatives for the Jackson estate to Jezebel after the publication of this post.

The Jackson Estate understands that the Court of Appeal agrees that these cases must be returned to the trial court to be analyzed under the new law signed by Governor Newsom. This new law extends the time for genuine victims of abuse to file legal claims. The Appellate Court&#8217;s tentative ruling is not on the merits of Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s allegations and the Court in no way said that these cases will go to trial. Neither does it reverse the 2015 rulings dismissing Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s claims against the Estate, which are final and no longer subject to any appeals. We are confident that the claims against Michael Jackson&#8217;s corporate entities will, once again, be dismissed as has happened before. Howard L. Weitzman, Attorney for the Estate of Michael Jackson

https://jezebel.com/michael-jackson-accusers-may-get-another-day-in-court-1839944137

** Here's the 'nothing specific' that R and S are asking for:
1. Past, present and future general damages
2. Past, present and future special damages, including but not limited to past present and future loss of earnings, economic damages and others
3. Any appropriate punitive or exemplary damages against MJJ Productions, MJJ Ventures and Does 6-50 (Co. employees)
4. Any appropriate statutory damages
5. Costs of suit
6. Interest allowed by law
7. Attorney's fees
I have a saying, "you give a fool enuf rope, he will soon hang himself". I see it happening to these liars on this. Go ahead fools, here is the rope (sitting back and now waiting). Watch and see. I see so many things the Estate can argue in this. And remember MJ was one of the most high profile in 1993 and under an FBI investigations as well for years (this the same FBI agents who can find drug dealers mobs, sex trafficking, etc along with a "MAD DOG DA Tom Sneddon; but some how, this idiot lawyer Finidini is going to want a jury/judge to believe MJ did all of this (and still was under an investigation even after 1993) which they could not find if this was true (we know it is a lie). LOLOLOL!!! And remember MJ's had SURPRISE RAIDS on ALL his stuff even the Encino home.
 
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All I want to know is what this two punks are going to say. Because everything they said is lies and those lies have been discovered, there is proof of what they said is a lie. So what they are going to say exactly?!
 

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Sounds like these people have been talking to Finaldi too:

On Monday, a California appeals court issued a tentative ruling reversing the dismissal of a lawsuit brought by 2 alleged victims of Michael Jackson.

The two accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, were the subject of the HBO documentary &#8220;Leaving Neverland.&#8221; The original lawsuits were dismissed because the claims were found to have been brought beyond the statute of limitations.

However, last month, California passed a law that extends the statute of limitations for survivors of sexual assault that occurred while they were minors, which is the basis for overruling the dismissal of the lawsuit.

The lawsuit was originally filed after Mr. Jackson had passed away. It was filed against two business entities owned by Mr. Jackson that are controlled by therstate.

The accusers had first made claims against the estate, but those were dismissed by the Probate Court. The claims against the two business entities were dismissed in 2017 because the statute of limitations had expired, meaning they waited too long to file the lawsuits.

But now, this new law makes is so the cases are not beyond the statute of limitations. The new law that was signed into law last month extends the statute of limitations for survivors of childhood sexual abuse in California from age 26 to age 40. It also gives everyone &#8211; regardless of their age &#8211; a three-year window to file suit for sexual abuse that occurred when they were a minor. That three-year window starts January 1, 2020.

This is major legislation. Any claim that someone was sexually assaulted as a minor that would otherwise be time-barred -- as long as it was never litigated to a final judgment before -- can now be brought starting January 1, 2020, regardless of how long ago the alleged abuse occurred.

This could have a huge impact on Mr. Jackson&#8217;s estate, since he lived and worked in California. There could be a ton of new litigation in California against entities like the Catholic church, the Boy Scouts, schools, and youth sports programs.

The new law also provides big penalties that can apply if a victim can prove there was a cover-up.

We all know what&#8217;s being alleged, and it&#8217;s truly awful, but we&#8217;ll have to see how the plaintiffs can tie the alleged sexual abuse by Mr. Jackson to his business entities.

It actually may not be hard to do, since the entities were so intertwined with Mr. Jackson himself and the very shows and promotions that led to the alleged sexual abuse taking place. The bottom line, however, is that this case could be the least of the concerns for the Estate of Michael Jackson.

Anyone who alleges to have been sexually assaulted by Mr. Jackson as a child, as long as they never brought a lawsuit before to a judgment, can now bring such a lawsuit, no matter how old they are. That is true for 3 full years starting January 1, 2020.

After that, an alleged childhood victim of sexual assault will have 5 years from the date they knew or should have known the assault happened once they are an adult (many people suppress such memories and only discover and understand what happened much later in life) or until the age of 40, whichever occurs first.

https://news3lv.com/news/local/breaking-down-the-law-the-new-lawsuit-against-michael-jacksons-estate
 

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I think it's perfectly fine to like his work as an actor. ;) He shouldn't get involved in this so it's disappointing but it doesn't change his acting performance in ER.

I know but everytime I look at him now reminds me he supports those liars. I have to separte the art from the man.
 
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