[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

elusive moonwalker

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Yes they can appeal.

His lawyer are pro bono and prob doing it off insurance. Yes they owe the estate money already and it will only increase.
 

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I really really hope someday Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo will come forward and tell the truth. Tell the world it was their parents that startet it all to get money and say MJ was innocent. - It would really make a huge difference if they came forward. - Doubt it will ever happen. Maybe they could write it in their last wills - at least then the truth would come forward.

I always think this.

Chandler though I think is contractually obligated to stay hush, as was MJ within reason after the settlement (unless called upon like court)

The fact that Chandler didn't want anything to do with the trial, even threatened to leave the country if I remember rightly, speaks loud enough

If someone abused me and I now had a chance to put them away, you wouldn't think twice would you.

But agree, I would LOVE both of these to speak out about the framing from their parents.
 

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I always think this.

Chandler though I think is contractually obligated to stay hush, as was MJ within reason after the settlement (unless called upon like court)

The fact that Chandler didn't want anything to do with the trial, even threatened to leave the country if I remember rightly, speaks loud enough

If someone abused me and I now had a chance to put them away, you wouldn't think twice would you.

But agree, I would LOVE both of these to speak out about the framing from their parents.

I know Chandler and MJ was not allowed to speak about it, BUT - Only MJ's Estate could complain if Chandler di say stuff and if he came forward and told MJ was 100 % innocent I am very sure the MJ estate would have no problems with that. - And they sure would not demand he paid money back or anything. So I don't think it would be a problem at all.
 

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Funny, they say they are going to appeal again and continue with this fraud as if the estate would ever stop fighting and appealing too.

If Wade and his crazy team ever won on even a minute level, the estate would appeal it. And keep on appealing. This is a no win situation for Wade. Finaldi would get all his money in fees if he ever managed to get even a nickle out of this scam.

Just plain stupid at this juncture to keep on going with it, but then Wade prove to be that when he filed this case after all the years of glowing attestments about MJ's kindness and humanity. What an idiot.
 

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I'm sure Wade & James got paid from HBO and the other interviews they did. In his mind, as long as he looks like "the victim" he will keep these appeals going.

As for Jordan I think the closest we will get are his private comments made in the square one doc. Deathbed confession maybe but we will all be ancient by then.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t forget: <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> was acquitted by a jury of ten felonies and other baseless claims in June 2005. He died in June 2009. Like clockwork, vultures come circling 11 years later. It’s sad the likes of <a href="https://twitter.com/Oprah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Oprah</a> entertains these trumped up publicity stunts. <a href="https://t.co/APvoX4x4Dv">https://t.co/APvoX4x4Dv</a></p>&mdash; nik hatziefstathiou (@nikthehat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nikthehat/status/1386901185987289091?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How many times must <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> be absolved?<br><br>Once again, a judge ruled there is no evidence he ever harmed a child. These people wanted $100 Million from his estate &amp; initially went for over $1B. Both cases dismissed. It was an extortion plot from day one. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/JMukZBjSyV">pic.twitter.com/JMukZBjSyV</a></p>&mdash; Geneva S. Thomas (@GenevaSThomas) <a href="https://twitter.com/GenevaSThomas/status/1386794084229070849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson: Judge Dismisses Wade Robson Claims For The THIRD Time <a href="https://t.co/QjlyWWPGDT">https://t.co/QjlyWWPGDT</a></p>&mdash; ThatGrapeJuice (Sam) (@thatgrapejuice) <a href="https://twitter.com/thatgrapejuice/status/1386791594163064833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We know now that Wade Robson &amp; James Safechuck, two obvious frauds who were used by conman Dan Reed &amp; embraced for what appear to be political reasons by Oprah Winfrey &amp; HBO, will NOT be making &#128176; they hoped for from their allegations.<br><br>What needs to happen now is for HBO to pay! <a href="https://t.co/7dBLn7lvya">https://t.co/7dBLn7lvya</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1386770844530008066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Both Wade Robson and James Safecuck’s cases have been separately thrown out of court again &amp; again. <br>Facts and Evidence ACTUALLY MATTER in court. <br>When will the media finally look into these 2 men and all their provable lies?<br><br>“Lies Run Sprints But The Truth Runs Marathons”&#128074;&#127998;</p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1386761455379238912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We’ve been ridiculed, vilified and marginalized. Yet we still stood strong and never wavered. We withstood all peer and public pressure, because we knew the truth. Armed with passion and the facts, we never backed down. All for MJ. <br>I’m so proud of us. &#128588;&#127998;<br>&#128071;&#127998;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1386773165204901889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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^ You have every reason to be excited. An appeal is simply requesting a higher level of law to consider to go against the judges ruling. After Finaldi taking his last moments in front of the judge to insult his character - it does not show much respect to the justice system.
 

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I don't think an appeal will change anything. No judge will look at this and their "evidense" and let it go to court... There simply is no case.

I just hope they use all their money on this and end up more broke than ever.
 

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I'm sure Wade & James got paid from HBO and the other interviews they did. In his mind, as long as he looks like "the victim" he will keep these appeals going.

As for Jordan I think the closest we will get are his private comments made in the square one doc. Deathbed confession maybe but we will all be ancient by then.

I have sometimes wondered if Jordan might make more comments after his mother dies. I am not knowledgeable about what their relationship is like now, but if he discloses that his parents forced him to lie, then presumably it will incriminate his mother or make her open to legal repercussions.
 

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I have sometimes wondered if Jordan might make more comments after his mother dies. I am not knowledgeable about what their relationship is like now, but if he discloses that his parents forced him to lie, then presumably it will incriminate his mother or make her open to legal repercussions.

That is a good point. That could very well be the case. If he has any remorse/conscience I think he will make a public statement eventually. It would be a huge game changer for sure. It's interesting that he never tried to sell any books/docs like his uncle. (We don't know all of the legal terms of the settlement) but even Jordans behaviour is completely different from Wade/James when you try to compare. (Then again, Jordan already inherited his "payday" while Wade/James are still looking for theirs). I'll give Jordan a very small amount of credit for at least speaking up in private what we all know is true.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJacksonWasFramed?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJacksonWasFramed</a> Local Henan fans present flowers ordered from all over China to a MJ statue for another court victory against liars. We always believe in him! Love you forever Michael! <a href="https://t.co/K4ilPWKoOs">pic.twitter.com/K4ilPWKoOs</a></p>&mdash; Keen Zhang (@mkgenie) <a href="https://twitter.com/mkgenie/status/1387176483085377537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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I have sometimes wondered if Jordan might make more comments after his mother dies. I am not knowledgeable about what their relationship is like now, but if he discloses that his parents forced him to lie, then presumably it will incriminate his mother or make her open to legal repercussions.

The mother was never involved in it. She was separated from evan. And only went along with it later on as she was offered a cut.
 

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The mother was never involved in it. She was separated from evan. And only went along with it later on as she was offered a cut.

Exactly - she profited from the lie. That's why I am wondering if Jordan might be waiting for her to die before he tells his side of the story. It's a long shot but you never know.....
 

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Exactly - she profited from the lie. That's why I am wondering if Jordan might be waiting for her to die before he tells his side of the story. It's a long shot but you never know.....

Jordan would have to have a conscience, parent alive or not. Homage to his parent when he was a child is one thing, but he's a full fledged adult now, and knows how he devatasted MJ's life. It's been long past time for him to tell the truth. But that would take courage and honor as well, and his continued silence speaks loudly to his lack of those traits.

However, I do still hold out hope for him to do the right thing as you do, but if it is to happen, I see it happening more on HIS death bed, when he doesn't have to deal with fallout.
 

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It is one thing for Chandler or anyone else to confess their lies that ruined an innocent man's life, it's another for media and press to pick up the bombshell story and distribute it to the general public so a wide audience becomes aware. Just like I have not seen the current story of the court dismissing WRs claims being widely circulated. I doubt their game will ever change.
 

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It is one thing for Chandler or anyone else to confess their lies that ruined an innocent man's life, it's another for media and press to pick up the bombshell story and distribute it to the general public so a wide audience becomes aware. Just like I have not seen the current story of the court dismissing WRs claims being widely circulated. I doubt their game will ever change.

I agree that the biggest challenge to getting justice for Michael is the media shutdown on any story that contradicts their chosen narrative. However if Jordan does recant (which I admit seems like a long shot), I can't believe the media could possibly ignore it. They may try to spin it to minimise the impact, but as it was the first allegation I can't see how they would be able to not broadcast it.
 

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The contract signed by all Chandler parties (not the uncle) stated that if they discussed why the contract was made, they would have been fined. That is WHY nor MJ neither Jordan or the father or the mother or the lawyers could never discuss the agreement in public media in any way EVER.

However, I do wonder if Jordan (knowing it was all a lie) donated his share of the money to charity since it was not a gift. It was not money for him to enjoy.
 

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The contract signed by all Chandler parties (not the uncle) stated that if they discussed why the contract was made, they would have been fined. That is WHY nor MJ neither Jordan or the father or the mother or the lawyers could never discuss the agreement in public media in any way EVER.

However, I do wonder if Jordan (knowing it was all a lie) donated his share of the money to charity since it was not a gift. It was not money for him to enjoy.

Jordan was a minor when that contract was executed. I think Jordan would have some recourse as an adult IF (and big IF) he GENUINELY WANTED to tell the truth now.
 

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elusive moonwalker;4321489 said:
final ruling. Case thrown out. Bye bye&#55358;&#56611;&#55358;&#56611;

https://www.showbiz411.com/2021/04/...station-is-dismissed-by-court-in-final-ruling

YES!!! Victory for MJ once again!!! Hey Robson & STABchuck! Take that in your pipe and smoke it ya LOSERS!!!

And we got two words for ya&#8217;s!

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