Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

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Re: Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

is Keep Your Head Up at least written by MJ?

I am sure none of the cascio tracks have anything to do with MJ.
 

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Faking Michael is an investigative podcast series detailing the 8-year quest for the truth about a collection of 12 allegedly-fake Michael Jackson songs. The songs, known as the Cascio tracks, were sold to Sony by Jackson’s longtime friend, music producer Eddie Cascio, and his collaborative partner, James Porte, in mid 2010 — a year after the singer’s sudden death. Upon hearing them, members of the Jackson family, a number of producers who worked with Michael throughout his career, and thousands of fans around the world accused Cascio and Porte of fraud, insisting that the songs were fakes — sung not by Jackson, but by an impersonator. Undeterred by the controversy, Jackson’s estate and record label insisted the vocals were authentic, officially attributing the Cascio tracks to the King of Pop when three of them were released by Epic Records on the Michael album in December 2010. But strong doubts regarding the authenticity of the tracks remain.


https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/faking-michael/id1434372710?mt=2&i=1000418631848
 
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StellaJackson;4229258 said:
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Faking Michael is an investigative podcast series detailing the 8-year quest for the truth about a collection of 12 allegedly-fake Michael Jackson songs. The songs, known as the Cascio tracks, were sold to Sony by Jackson’s longtime friend, music producer Eddie Cascio, and his collaborative partner, James Porte, in mid 2010 — a year after the singer’s sudden death. Upon hearing them, members of the Jackson family, a number of producers who worked with Michael throughout his career, and thousands of fans around the world accused Cascio and Porte of fraud, insisting that the songs were fakes — sung not by Jackson, but by an impersonator. Undeterred by the controversy, Jackson’s estate and record label insisted the vocals were authentic, officially attributing the Cascio tracks to the King of Pop when three of them were released by Epic Records on the Michael album in December 2010. But strong doubts regarding the authenticity of the tracks remain.


https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/faking-michael/id1434372710?mt=2&i=1000418631848

Stella!! Haven't seen you in years since I, you, Arklove, Jesta, Bumper Snippet and a few others used to discuss the tracks!!
 
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It’s Not Sony’s Fault If It Sold Fake Michael Jackson Songs

Judges say Sony and the Michael Jackson estate can’t be sued for three contested MJ songs — but no ruling yet on whether the songs are real or fake

Michael Jackson fans may be a bit disappointed during this worldwide celebration of the icon’s diamond birthday. A ruling has been issued in the years-long class-action lawsuit alleging that three King of Pop songs were not in fact sung by the King of Pop — but it doesn’t actually give an answer on the authenticity of the songs.

Instead, three appeals court judges ruled on Tuesday that Sony and the Michael Jackson estate cannot be held accountable for the three disputed songs (“Breaking News,” “Keep Your Head Up” and “Monster”) and the two parties have been removed from the case. Sony’s Epic Records released the three songs on the posthumous album Michael in 2010, and they quickly drew skepticism from a number of Jackson fans and relatives who, pointing to stylistic differences and inconsistencies in the way the tracks surfaced, claimed the vocals were actually sung by an impersonator. In 2014, one fan, Vera Serova, brought a class-action lawsuit against Sony, the Jackson estate and the producers involved.

On Tuesday, the panel of judges said that because the two parties did not know for sure whether it was Jackson singing on the songs, the album’s promotional materials and cover were not strictly claims about the contents of a commercial product, and thus are not eligible for the commerce-specific claims that Serova brought against them in the class-action suit.

But there’s no word yet on whether the songs are actually fake or real — despite erroneous news reports last week that Sony had made some sort of admission in court. In 2010, Sony and the Jackson estate both strenuously defended the authenticity of the songs; they have, however, since backed down in vigor, saying in December that it actually might be possible for the vocals to have been sung by an impersonator, but that the label should not be held liable for fraud because it believed the producers’ claims of authenticity.

In court documents, justices did not comment on Sony and the Jackson estate’s actual responsibility for the songs, focusing more on the parties’ eligibility for the terms of the lawsuit. “Because [Sony Music, MJJ Productions and the Jackson estate] lacked actual knowledge of the identity of the lead singer on [“Breaking News,” “Monster” and “Keep Your Head Up”], they could only draw a conclusion about that issue from their own research and the available evidence,” appellate justice Elwood Lui wrote. “Under these circumstances, [Sony and the estate’s] representations about the identity of the singer amounted to a statement of opinion rather than fact.”

He continued: “We conclude that the challenged representation — that Michael Jackson was the lead singer on the three Disputed Tracks — did not simply promote sale of the album, but also stated a position on a disputed issue of public interest. The identity of the artist on the three Disputed Tracks was a controversial issue of interest to Michael Jackson fans and others who care about his musical legacy. The identity of the lead singer was also integral to the artistic significance of the songs themselves. Under these circumstances, Appellants’ statements about the identity of the artist were not simply commercial speech but were subject to full First Amendment protection. They are therefore outside the scope of an actionable unfair competition or consumer protection claim in the case.”

Serova’s case against the producers involved in the three songs is still ongoing.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/sony-michael-jackson-songs-716930/
 

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Re: Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

Well that was something. Sounded a lot like the lead vocalist in places from first listen just at a different pitch?
No, this is James Porte, doing most of the background vocals on the Cascio songs. The songs were originally recorded by him, doing the lead vocals, but those are not available. Maybe they are present in the multitracks, I don't know. Korgnex might know, as he clearly has the/some multitracks.

I was actually thinking about this the other day when I saw this post. Couldn't remember the name though hahaha. Can definitely hear him those tracks.

Here is James Porte on a Cascio song: https://instaud.io/2CeE
Here is Jason Malachi, same Cascio song, different part of the song: https://instaud.io/2CeG

AND here is a clip of Jason doing the same type of vocals on his own released song, followed up by the previous clip from the Cascio song: https://instaud.io/2CeR
 

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Re: Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

Can you tell us a part with MJ lead vocals? for example on breaking news? Which minute/second?

He can't or he won't. As I understood his response here is that he thinks the lead vocals of the impersonator (Jason sound alike guy whoever it is) are Michael Jackson's vocals. And also that Jason (in his opinion Michael) and James Porte sings the leads together for some unexplained reason as Michael Jackson couldn't sing.
 

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Re: Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

is Keep Your Head Up at least written by MJ?

We don't know. Probably no. Like any of these 12 fake songs.
 

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Pentum;4229326 said:
No, this is James Porte, doing most of the background vocals on the Cascio songs. The songs were originally recorded by him, doing the lead vocals, but those are not available. Maybe they are present in the multitracks, I don't know. Korgnex might know, as he clearly has the/some multitracks.



Here is James Porte on a Cascio song: https://instaud.io/2CeE
Here is Jason Malachi, same Cascio song, different part of the song: https://instaud.io/2CeG

AND here is a clip of Jason doing the same type of vocals on his own released song, followed up by the previous clip from the Cascio song: https://instaud.io/2CeR

Awesome stuff. Thought I recognised the voice, he does BG vocals throughout the stunning 12 tracks we’ve been lucky enough to hear and even have released under MJ name
 

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Re: Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

I clearly misunderstood haha. I still stand by what I said in general though.

I realise the importance of being accurate.

But if that's all you're going to complain about...
 

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Re: Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

I don't think MJ was even shown these songs. They were created after he died.


That at least we know is not the case: I have correspondence with a producer who received the Cascio tracks -- back then sung by Porte -- and was asked to remix them as they "would soon be recorded by MJ". The producer teased this important work on his web site -- without mentioning the big-name singer those tracks were for -- and that was BEFORE MJ's death.

In correspondence with me, the producer said he'd joked with Eddie Cascio about how Porte sounded like MJ.

So this is not evidence that MJ had actually heard of the songs or promised to record them in London, but it IS evidence that Cascio expected MJ to record the songs in London -- whether that was wishful thinking or him believing a quick promise made by MJ with no intention of following up.
 

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Re: Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

That at least we know is not the case: I have correspondence with a producer who received the Cascio tracks -- back then sung by Porte -- and was asked to remix them as they "would soon be recorded by MJ".

Yeah, but how many songs? Not for sure all 12. If I remember correctly, the guy worked only on Keep Your Head Up demo by James Porte. Or was it 2 more songs.. something like that. Not all of them.

So the probability that majority of them were written and recorded after MJ died is extremely high.
 

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Re: Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

Yeah, but how many songs? Not for sure all 12. If I remember correctly, the guy worked only on Keep Your Head Up demo by James Porte. Or was it 2 more songs.. something like that. Not all of them.

So the probability that majority of them were written and recorded after MJ died is extremely high.

Yeah, if I remember correctly it was just two or three songs that were finished before he died. With Porte singing.
 

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All in all I am utterly disgusted by the way Sony Music and Estate have been handling and managing all this situation by hiding themselves behind the first amendment. But I am not surprised, they knew it from the very beginning and their wordings on the album Michael was carefully chosen. Nowhere do they say that Michael Jackson sings the lead vocals on those three infamous tracks. So technically they are unattackable. As a matter of fact even if they admit one day that the lead vocals on those three songs are not MJ's, they can still defend themselves by saying "we never claimed MJ's sang the lead vocals". They already kinda play the card "we didn't know, Cascios and Porte are to blame."

How low!
 

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All in all I am utterly disgusted by the way Sony Music and Estate have been handling and managing all this situation by hiding themselves behind the first amendment. But I am not surprised, they knew it from the very beginning and their wordings on the album Michael was carefully chosen. Nowhere do they say that Michael Jackson sings the lead vocals on those three infamous tracks. So technically they are unattackable. As a matter of fact even if they admit one day that the lead vocals on those three songs are not MJ's, they can still defend themselves by saying "we never claimed MJ's sang the lead vocals". They already kinda play the card "we didn't know, Cascios and Porte are to blame."

How low!

Yeah pretty shitty behaviour on their part since this controversy started. I do feel they were initially tricked, but they should have had enough integrity to scrap these tracks once any doubt was raised and properly investigate. It's clear they want nothing to do with this and putting it all on Cascios.
 

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It took MJ roughly 2 to 4 years to make an album.
Yet he managed to do a full album in a few months in 2007? Very hard to believe.

12 songs are been recorded enough to make a full album. Coincidence? What was their plan originally?
To release an album of only the fake Cascio tracks?

We all know that MJ record many demos and write lyric on a piece of paper, video record everything he does.
Yet no evidence of any of that. Last time I heard, Eddie Cascio said his computer broke down. Really??

In 2007 MJ’s voices has extremely matured, yet the singer on the Cascio track sound like someone in his 20’s

Michael alway (ALWAYS!) calls Seth Riggs before a song before he records it. Yet for the Cascio teach he didn’t...

1+1=2
 

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BTW, Pentium, Kreep, OnirJM, SoCalf, and co nice to see you back again.
Arklove shut up again.
Casionex, still having troubles to hear the difference between a Korg synthesizer and a Casio one? :p

Hahahaha! Nice to see you back also! Dobrodošao natrag ;)
 

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StellaJackson;4229258 said:
Faking Michael is an investigative podcast series detailing the 8-year quest for the truth about a collection of 12 allegedly-fake Michael Jackson songs. The songs, known as the Cascio tracks, were sold to Sony by Jackson’s longtime friend, music producer Eddie Cascio, and his collaborative partner, James Porte, in mid 2010 — a year after the singer’s sudden death. Upon hearing them, members of the Jackson family, a number of producers who worked with Michael throughout his career, and thousands of fans around the world accused Cascio and Porte of fraud, insisting that the songs were fakes — sung not by Jackson, but by an impersonator. Undeterred by the controversy, Jackson’s estate and record label insisted the vocals were authentic, officially attributing the Cascio tracks to the King of Pop when three of them were released by Epic Records on the Michael album in December 2010. But strong doubts regarding the authenticity of the tracks remain.


https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/faking-michael/id1434372710?mt=2&i=1000418631848
The trailer is up on YouTube now too:

[video=youtube;NF8LLcUSMWA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF8LLcUSMWA[/video]

Very excited to hear everything Damien has uncovered over the past 8 years.
 

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Re: Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

The trailer is up on YouTube now too:


Very excited to hear everything Damien has uncovered over the past 8 years.

I'm curious about this. Do you think anyone he has interviewed will actually say "those songs are fake"?
 

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Re: Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

^Why not? Michael Prince basically already says that in the trailer at 1.43, right?
 
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