Madonna Appreciation thread - For fans

Tony R

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Surely, the only other artist apart from Michael that has emerged in the last 25 years that is still relevant today is Madonna.

She is still at the top of her game and unlike Prince (who I do like) can release an album or single today and it will hit the top.

I know this will get many responses that she's only famous for re-inventing herself & using her sexuality to get where she's got but that's simply not true.

My argument against the re-inventing thing is that she simply knows how to move with the times. Take 'Hung Up' for example, just when you thought her best days were over she releases a track that pop artists today would kill to make. At 47 she made a song that sounded so up to date it was futuristic.

She's also not a puppet, she has written more number one hits than any other female. Her concerts are ground breaking, and dare I say it, more enjoyable than even Michael's because every tour has something new. Although Mike slightly refines each routine. You know what Billie Jean, Beat It & the J5 medley will look like each time, where as Madonna will perform fully different versions of her hits to keep them fresh and she's learned to sing live. In fact her voice has developed amazingly in the last 10 years.

Where Madonna lacks compared to MJ is the quality of her albums. Although she is a lot more prolofic than Michael (in the last 7 years we've had 2 albums and one confirmed for this year) there are only 2 that I can fully play without skipping any tracks. Michael's are more complete.

Singles wise, however, she has made some amazing pieces of work:

Like A Prayer
Vogue
Hung Up
Music
Don't Tell Me
Papa Don't Preach
American Life
Ray Of Light
Secret
Rain


To name just 10. She has had approx 70 Top 10 hits in the UK and has inspired every female artist going today.
 

fani_mj

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what a man can say about Madonna? I just love her...
my all time favourite songs are actually hers, my number 1 is LA ISLA BONITA, and also Frozen :)
 

Kinga

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SHer concerts are ground breaking, and dare I say it, more enjoyable than even Michael's because every tour has something new. Although Mike slightly refines each routine. You know what Billie Jean, Beat It & the J5 medley will look like each time, where as Madonna will perform fully different versions of her hits to keep them fresh

I have to agree with you on that one!!!

I like her, I have almost all of her albums. My fav albums of her are Like a prayer and Confessions. It's funny because there are almost 20 years between these 2.
 

emmah24

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I love Madonna, her and Michael are like my parents, I grew up with them all my life. I saw her live 2 years ago for the first time and I was amazed by her performances, so much energy. But I have to say if MJ and Madonna performed for one night only, on the same date...I'd be buying my ticket to see Michael.

Any news on Madonnas new album, Im sure it must be out soon?
 

Travis

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Madonna's new album is slated to hit stores this April. She is rumored to be performing her new single "4 Minutes to Save the World" at the Super Bowl. We'll see.

Madonna is obviously a huge part of my life. I have every album there is to have. I love her just as much as I do Michael. Both are incredible artists, each in their own way. The days of true legends and icons like Elvis, MJ, and Madonna are over.
 
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I like Madonna, but I think she's kind of overrated. Her singing isn't all that, and she's mostly known for her personal life, not her music.
 

Travis

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Madonna is certainly known for pushing the envelope but the music is just as memorable.
 
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suspicious_mind

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I dont really like her as of now but i loved her back when she first started and during the "truth or dare" video thing she did.
 

Lyndl

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I love Madonna, her and Michael are like my parents, I grew up with them all my life. I saw her live 2 years ago for the first time and I was amazed by her performances, so much energy. But I have to say if MJ and Madonna performed for one night only, on the same date...I'd be buying my ticket to see Michael.

Any news on Madonnas new album, Im sure it must be out soon?


i love how you put that!I feel the same way.
 

Lyndl

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Madonna is a wonderful she has been such an icon for the gay community and has helped reclaim female sexuality, and she has such an array of great songs like MJ.
Borderline,lucky star,take a bow,human nature ( my favourite from MJ aswell )express yourself..even confessions, her latest album is catchy as hell!
thats the short version.I could go on about Madonna.
 
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Madonna's new album is slated to hit stores this April. She is rumored to be performing her new single "4 Minutes to Save the World" at the Super Bowl. We'll see.

Madonna is obviously a huge part of my life. I have every album there is to have. I love her just as much as I do Michael. Both are incredible artists, each in their own way. The days of true legends and icons like Elvis, MJ, and Madonna are over.

I am not sure what to make of this album and the people she chose to work with. I heard 'Candy shop' and its not my thing, the lyrics are so 'immature', something I would have expected from 50, JT etc not her. (imo). But we'll wait and see.
 

Grand Master S

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I saw an "art photo" of a naked guy bending over as Madonna, on her knees and also nude, bites his ass. I told a Madonna fan that it wasn't art, but rather just a picture of Madonna biting some guy's butt, and she got all mad and started saying some feminist mumbo jumbo in defense. So I stopped listening and went to watch Nelly's Tip Drill on YouTube, which by the way is in fact a work of art.

Anyway, my favorites are Beautiful Stranger and Die Another Day. Can't really get into any of the vintage stuff.
 
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Tony R

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A proper artist / performer will be contraversial and get people talking. That's what Madonna does, it's what Michael, Eminem, The Beatles & Elvis all did.

WIth Madonna (and Mike) you get excellent music quality as well.

You don't get superstars anymore, any existing ones started in the '80's and music is missing that right now.

No new release gets me excited like going and buying a new MJ or Madonna album.
 

mjfan4ever2009

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I love Madonna. I didn't become a fan until 1992. I was late. Now I'm a die-hard fan. I can't wait for her new album. Hers is the other major album release I'm waiting for besides Michael's and Janet's.

Ray of Light and Confessions.... are my favorite Madonna albums although I have them all.
 
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Sparkle72

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I ADORE Madonna almost as much as I do Michael.
I have every single album and dvd of hers. She's wonderful.
 

Sparkle72

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I love Madonna. I didn't become a fan until 1992. I was late. Now I'm a die-hard fan. I can't wait for her new album. Hers is the other major album release I'm waiting for besides Michael's and Janet's.

Ray of Light and Confessions.... are my favorite Madonna albums although I have them all.

Confessions, Music and Ray Of Light are absolutely amazing.

I have them all too. I'm also looking forward to the new album but somehow the new leaks have kinda made me wary.
Candy Shop and TBGO are very bland in comparrison to her earlier material.
 
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elusive moonwalker

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i like her older stuff ala "like a prayer" i guess the real pop sounding songs. like some of the babyface songs on bedtime stories like take a bow but other than that im not into euro dancy cover stuff which is what she seems to have been doing for the last few years.
 

Catherine..

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My favourite style is her 80s.
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LovelyOne

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I like Madonna, but I think she's kind of overrated. Her singing isn't all that, and she's mostly known for her personal life, not her music.

Exactly.

I think that even comparing Madonna and Michael is just, stupid. It's a waste of time.
 
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Well they don't compare artistically or talent wise at all. Michael is on a whole other level. But Madonna has chosen the right material for herself and she has some great songs and she's managed her career better then just about anyone. She knows her limitations at least. That's a lot more then I can say for any of todays acts.
 

last unicorn

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Madonna looks very good for a woman her age, and her daughter is beautiful.

As a musician, I find her overrated, but I like a lot of her stuff. And she's highly intelligent, especially when it comes to promote herself. Business-wise she is just a very tough lady.
 

Rebirth

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I often heard "Michael Jackson's closest competitor is not Prince or others but Madonna".

I don't think people are comparing Madonna with Michael based on vocal. Nonetheless I do think people are comparing these two based on their strength to influence pop culture worldwide.
 

Travis

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I often heard "Michael Jackson's closest competitor is not Prince or others but Madonna".

I don't think people are comparing Madonna with Michael based on vocal. Nonetheless I do think people are comparing these two based on their strength to influence pop culture worldwide.

Exactly. It's not a talent comparison. Each have their strengths and are incredibly different artists. People need to stop being so darned sensitive. Madonna is talented or else she wouldn't be what she is today. You can only last so long if you're a one trick pony.
 

Dervla

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I love Madonna too - especially the Human Nature video - such talent. I was hooked when I saw that. But I don't love her as much as I love Michael.
 

Travis

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I love Madonna too - especially the Human Nature video - such talent. I was hooked when I saw that. But I don't love her as much as I love Michael.

That video is quite possibly my most favorite ever. Such tight choreography.
 

jaydom7

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is that a new picture of Madonna, rocking that shirt of when she and Mike attended the Oscars in 1991?
 

DuranDuran

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is that a new picture of Madonna, rocking that shirt of when she and Mike attended the Oscars in 1991?

Nah this is a photo from one of the singles from her "Music" album. If you look closely thats really the Aerosmith logo, someone edited that pic onto the shirt.
 

daphnieas

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Personally I don't really like her, though some of her music is catchy and just plain fun.

I can appreciate her ability to use the press at her favour insted of against her though...she's smart and I do think she deserves the Queen of Pop title having been around for so long and with such success, but her as a person I just can't stomach.
 

xX.Joey.Xx

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I like a lot of her songs, but still think shes overrated because none of her songs have really grabbed me. I just think a lot of them are 'good'. And I dislike a lot of her songs especially Erotica :puke:

But she certainly knows how to reinvent herself and shes an inspiration.

I like Kylie a lot better. :]
 
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azza

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Just bumping this in light of Madonna's new hits album 'Celebration' which I bought a few days ago & have been playing it none stop ever since.36 remastered tracks plus 2 new tracks.They all sound as fresh today as they did 20 years ago.I highly recommend it.
 

Travis

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I am loving the new collection even though I've heard all these songs a million times. I never get tired of it though. Same with Mike. It's also nice having them remastered and and all in one place, plus getting some new songs. I'm especially feeling "Revolver". This is really a great journey to take as a Madonna fan be it die hard or casual.
 

Lol007

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Where Madonna lacks compared to MJ is the quality of her albums. Although she is a lot more prolofic than Michael (in the last 7 years we've had 2 albums and one confirmed for this year) there are only 2 that I can fully play without skipping any tracks. Michael's are more complete.

This is laughable.
So: you are saying that the only thing Michael is better than Madonna is in the music quality? Michael is the greatest entertainer ever. Madonna can't sing, dance, write, arrange, compose, produce like Michael. When it comes to talent, Michael had MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE talent in his nose than Madonna in her whole body. Michael invented his own style, created a personna, became a cretaive genius, the most awarded and influential artist ever.

Michael released 24 studio albums (also with the J5) and has hundreds of unreleased songs, so the prolific story does not correspond to the truth. By the time Michael was 20, he had released more albums than Madonna at 50.

PS= MICHAEL NEVER HAD A RIVALRY WITH MADONNA. Madge is not on his level. Prince has a rivalry with Michael.
 
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DuranDuran

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Prince has a rivalry with Michael.
Prince didn't have a rivalry with Mike. The so-called "rivalry" was press created. Prince & Mike hung out with each other occasionally. OK, now back to the original subject of Madonna, lol.
 

Travis

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This is laughable.
So: you are saying that the only thing Michael is better than Madonna is in the music quality? Michael is the greatest entertainer ever. Madonna can't sing, dance, write, arrange, compose, produce like Michael. When it comes to talent, Michael had MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE talent in his nose than Madonna in her whole body. Michael invented his own style, created a personna, became a cretaive genius, the most awarded and influential artist ever.

Michael released 24 studio albums (also with the J5) and has hundreds of unreleased songs, so the prolific story does not correspond to the truth. By the time Michael was 20, he had released more albums than Madonna at 50.

PS= MICHAEL NEVER HAD A RIVALRY WITH MADONNA. Madge is not on his level. Prince has a rivalry with Michael.

Why must someone always start this tired act? Ugh. No one else is saying these things. Why bring up something that doesn't exist? YOU are doing this. No one is challenging MJ or his abilities. No one would be silly enough to try and demean Michael Jackson and his legacy. Why be so defensive when it's not needed? Chill out.

There are fans of other artists at this board who find a particular artist to be great in their own way. There is no need for every single artist to be compared to MJ, approved by MJ or his fans. There is nothing wrong with appreciating other artists and finding something worthwhile or even genius in what they do.

If you don't like Madonna, that's totally cool. Don't like her. However, do you have to ruin an entire thread for those who do?

It's weird how a sub-forum that is supposed to be dedicated to other artists outside the Jackson realm starts to implode if one does what the title suggests. Go figure.
 

azza

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Why must someone always start this tired act? Ugh. No one else is saying these things. Why bring up something that doesn't exist? YOU are doing this. No one is challenging MJ or his abilities. No one would be silly enough to try and demean Michael Jackson and his legacy. Why be so defensive when it's not needed? Chill out.

There are fans of other artists at this board who find a particular artist to be great in their own way. There is no need for every single artist to be compared to MJ, approved by MJ or his fans. There is nothing wrong with appreciating other artists and finding something worthwhile or even genius in what they do.

If you don't like Madonna, that's totally cool. Don't like her. However, do you have to ruin an entire thread for those who do?

It's weird how a sub-forum that is supposed to be dedicated to other artists outside the Jackson realm starts to implode if one does what the title suggests. Go figure.

Superb post Jona.I 10000000000000000% agree.Nothing wrong with not liking some one but why take something away from them? Judgemental comments are really annoying & especailly coming from an MJ fan.Do we not already have enough to put up with???!!!
 

babyface34

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Would've been cool if "Angel" and "The Look of Love" made the cut (for "Celebration"), but with so many quality tracks to choose from, something had to give, I guess. Got most of her albums. The DVD collection is a must-have for me though. I still might break down and get the cd anyway lol.
 

Travis

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...I'm going to say something that I've always wanted to say but just haven't because I know what will follow (the inevitable inflammatory default response).

You all know I'm a Madonna fan and proud of it. Although most would probably feel I am very outspoken about the fact, I'm not as outspoken as I'd like to be. Didn't think that was possible?.. It is!

More often than not, the detractors dismiss Madonna's musicality. No one will dare deny her business savvy but that's all they want to give her credit for. Hear me out, I know we don't all have to love her so that's not what I'm trying to do.

What I want to express or rather trying to express is that I do find her to be a talented and at times brilliant artist in not only marketing but the actual musical part of her career as well. I do feel this way and don't feel I should be made a fool for it.

As a fan I don't understand how anyone can say that she is talentless given the sure length and relevance of her career. Again, you don't have to like her or her music but I've never understood how someone can simply "market" themselves for about 30 years and the public just buys it time and time again like mindless sheep without having her having the true talent to back it all up.

I feel that there has to be something about Madonna and the music itself. There has had to of been a reason that still to this day people will give an arm and a leg to see her perform. Madonna has always had her hand in every single aspect of her career from the very beginning. At no point did anyone push her around or tell her what to do. She writes and produces all her albums. Sure, she has had producers but she is still there in the studio right along with them and gets the final say. Madonna (in my opinion) has real musicality. She has almost always known what works and what doesn't. How can a person do that without true musical talent? I don't understand. She clearly has an ear and mind for music. What other reasonable explanations are there?

Again, I am not trying to convert but trying to give insight in to my own mind and heart as to how I feel about one of my personal musical greats.

Madonna had a vision, ideas, boundaries, and taboos she wanted to express and break (and did). Often all her controversy was brushed off and misunderstood as just taking her clothes off or making a video to get a rise out of people. I always saw so much more. There was always some deeper message she was trying to get across. Sometimes dark.

I was always impressed with how much effort, work, and thought she put in to her videos and performances (and don't forget the music).If the music wasn't good then all the button pushing in the world couldn't sustain a lifelong career. She dared to go where no one had gone before. Her goal was to make the world talk about things they had never discussed before in an open and non-judgmental dialogue- sex, religion, homosexuality, abortion, spousal abuse and on and on.

Madonna tackled all the issues with the writing and producing of her music, video and stage too. I obviously admire her and love her music very much. Just as MJ has touched us all with his talent, so has Madonna me with hers. I know that may be hard for some to understand and that's why I'm making this post.

I don't know how many times I have been made to feel that I'm wrong or even stupid for believing Madonna is a talented living legend, the "Queen of Pop". I have read many truly nasty comments, have seen her accomplishments torn to shreds, and have been personally attacked over my personal opinion. I guess that sort of thing is "human nature" but I really wish that we could still say what's on our minds without being disrespectful to others.

I just want to be able to have my opinion and still be treated with respect. I really want us all to treat each other better. Why can't we express ourselves without trying to hurt someone else in the process?

I would never EVER say that Madonna is more talented than MJ but I do see real and substantial talent in her. Always have. I believe that is why she is still with us today- topping charts, selling out stadiums, and making headlines and history across the globe.

I hope that maybe those who have often criticized me can maybe now understand me a little better. If not, at the very least respect my feelings. I often find myself defending my thoughts, views, and opinions concerning Madonna and that isn't right. I should be allowed to think and feel as I choose. I've had every possible insult thrown at me. I've had my MJ fandom questioned. You name it, it's been said. Sometimes it feels like if it ain't a Jackson it ain't right and that to me is, well, um... wrong. All I'm saying is that I would love to read something someone has posted about Madonna that isn't then turned in to something personal and nasty by others who can't comprehend the idea that some find her worthy of praise. That's all.

We don't all think and feel the same way, however, I do believe in MJ's message and so hope that when threads are made about other artists we can keep that message in mind and heart to avoid nastiness.


Thank you.
 

FedoraHatGirl2058

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Ok Madonna is good for fun, and on the women side she's powerful, wish she would have treated Michael better, i mean, she could have helped him cause she seems strong, but guess she missunderstood many things back in time, many things...
 

blue_eyed_belle

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I prefer 'old-school' Madonna to her as she is now, but then I admire how flexible she is; whilst her music is up-to-the-minute, she manages to recreate herself consistently and sound fresh, yet still make songs that are 'recognisably Madonna'. That's an achievement in my book. I prefer Michael (will never be a Madonna fan) as I love all of his music and it sounds as new today as when it was first brought out years ago.
 

Travis

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I had to post this new pic of Lourdes out with her father. She looks so much like her mama!

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Agent M

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Jona, can you tell us if it was Madonna's idea to release a greatest hits collection or was it her record company's? I just hope she or her record company don't go down the same road as Sony and/or Michael and start releasing an endless stream of greatest hits collections. I noticed Madonna has released a lot more new material than Michael in recent years.
 

Travis

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Jona, can you tell us if it was Madonna's idea to release a greatest hits collection or was it her record company's? I just hope she or her record company don't go down the same road as Sony and/or Michael and start releasing an endless stream of greatest hits collections. I noticed Madonna has released a lot more new material than Michael in recent years.

This is Madonna's last release with Warner before moving on to Live Nation. She owed them one last album and was involved in it's release, having recorded new material for it. It was easier to release a hits collection rather than record an album of all new music.

I personally pray that Warner doesn't give her the MJ treatment as far as starting to release an endless stream of hits packages that in turn water down the catalog.

Madonna has a lot of power but no one is really sure how much she has over her own music. We don't really know if Warner can release without her permission, etc. No one quite understands her relationship with Warner and how her departure will affect business. I pray she has some sort of control over her catalog to prevent the cheapening of her music.

I guess only the future will tell.
 

Agent M

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This is Madonna's last release with Warner before moving on to Live Nation. She owed them one last album and was involved in it's release, having recorded new material for it. It was easier to release a hits collection rather than record an album of all new music.

I personally pray that Warner doesn't give her the MJ treatment as far as starting to release an endless stream of hits packages that in turn water down the catalog.

Madonna has a lot of power but no one is really sure how much she has over her own music. We don't really know if Warner can release without her permission, etc. No one quite understands her relationship with Warner and how her departure will affect business. I pray she has some sort of control over her catalog to prevent the cheapening of her music.

I guess only the future will tell.

If I remember correctly there were reports that Number Ones, which included the new song, One More Chance, was Michael's last release with Sony but as we know that wasn't the case (Presently Number Ones is vying to be the best selling CD of the year).

To be fair, the 4 CD + 1 DVD Ultimate Collection was an extremely worthwhile release, especially for the true fans. The other greatest hits packages were only good for casual fans, although even they are selling well because of Michael's tragic passing. Unfortunately, Sony seems to be pushing what is essentially yet another greatest hits package on the public: the This Is It soundtrack.

I hope Michael's estate ultimately attains control over the rights to his music or uses it with greater discretion. Madonna has an opportunity to study what is happening and, depending on her legal leverage, prevent the same exploitation/miscalculations.
 

Nar

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I have great respect for Madonna. Of female pop singers, she was always on my top list. Great talent with the ability to constantly recreate her entertainment facade.
 

DuranDuran

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Madonna has a lot of power but no one is really sure how much she has over her own music. We don't really know if Warner can release without her permission, etc. No one quite understands her relationship with Warner and how her departure will affect business. I pray she has some sort of control over her catalog to prevent the cheapening of her music.
Warner has released compilation CDs by Prince without his permission after he left, like "The Best Of Prince" & "Ultimate Prince". Warners owns Prince master recordings, and most likely owns Madonna's. There's not many major label acts that own their masters. Some are U2, Motley Crue, Genesis, & KISS. Prince owns his post Warner Brothers masters and old songs he never turned in to Warners when he was signed to them. If the label owns the masters, they can do whatever they want with them, unless Madonna has a clause in her CONtract (as Prince calls them, lol) that forbids it.
 

AGB

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Madonna's Celebration has sold 2 million copies worldwide!!!! Go Madonna!!! YAY!

CELEBRATIONS SELLS 2 MILLION COPIES WORLDWIDE IN 2 WEEKS


By Amazing Guy., on October 7th, 2009
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Signing off.. Thanks again to all of you for helping Greatest Hits sell 2 million albums in just 2 weeks.. goodnight


Source: Twitter.com


http://twitter.com/guyoseary

I'm not knocking Madonna or anything because Celebration is doing extremely well and I'm happy for her but that person isn't telling the truth when he said it has sold 2 million in 2 weeks. If you look on mediatraffic.de which counts the official sales for albums week by week Celebration has sold 500,000 + copies in the last 2 weeks (which is a huge achievement in itself) and not 2 million. Perhaps the guy is referring to shipments, but shipments just means the amount of copies shipped to stores and not actual sales.
 
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Travis

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I'm not knocking Madonna or anything because Celebration is doing extremely well and I'm happy for her but that person isn't telling the truth when he said it has sold 2 million in 2 weeks. If you look on mediatraffic.de which counts the official sales for albums week by week Celebration has sold 500,000 copies in the last 2 weeks (which is a huge achievement in itself) and not 2 million. Perhaps the guy is referring to shipments, but shipments just means the amount of copies shipped to stores and not actual sales.

Maybe that is what he was referring to then and was mistaken. I really don't know. That sounds more accurate to me. I was shocked when I read it and was a little skeptical. Not because I thought it was impossible but being so early on and the fact that hit collections are more often than not harder to sell. Thanks for the update.

As for the current topic at hand, I don't think anyone really knows much about Madonna's contract with Warner. She's such an incredibly smart business woman that I would almost assume she must have some sort of leverage when it comes to her catalog and releases. I really do hope so because as a fan I really don't want to see her music cheapened like that. I think it's such a shame how Sony has pimped out MJ's music as if it were a dime a dozen. His music is special and should be treated as so. I too really truly hope that MJ's estate gains control and puts that ish on lockdown. Legends shouldn't be whored out.
 

AGB

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I think its pretty much impossible now for anyone to sell 2 million copies of a release within two weeks now no matter how huge they are just because of how much the market has changed so drastically and people are buying less CDs. There's no doubt though that Celebration has done really well to sell over 500,000 copies already (not many people can do that in 2 weeks) and I know it will be within the top ten selling releases of the year.

I'm not really a fan of Madonna but I have to hand it to her that when she does release a greatest hits compilation they are definitely worth the money. I think Celebration is a really good encompassment of her entire career starting from her breaking onto the scene up until the present day. I think it will sell well and be a people's wishlists during the Christmas shopping season.
 
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Scary13

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I watched the video to Celebration! I like it. However, I heard a sample of the song from the CD, it sounds different from the video version?
 
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Travis

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"Celebration" is #1 on the United World Chart. It's outselling new albums from Mariah and Barbra Streisand which is rather cool.

And about the video and song, the video is a remix while on "Celebraton" it's the album cut which I personally much prefer. Check it out. Of course, there's also "Revolver" which I hope gets released as a single and video.
 
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dam thats lourdes? she looks about 30 in that pic

Surely, the only other artist apart from Michael that has emerged in the last 25 years that is still relevant today is Madonna.
yeah pretty much so. the music industry is dead one the big guns go like madonna etc thats it. artists arent created to stay around for very long anymore as theres an obsession with getting quick $ for the label then moving on to the next big thing. and reality show popstars has petty much destroyed the industry
 
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elusive moonwalker

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If I remember correctly there were reports that Number Ones, which included the new song, One More Chance, was Michael's last release with Sony but as we know that wasn't the case (Presently Number Ones is vying to be the best selling CD of the year).

To be fair, the 4 CD + 1 DVD Ultimate Collection was an extremely worthwhile release, especially for the true fans. The other greatest hits packages were only good for casual fans, although even they are selling well because of Michael's tragic passing. Unfortunately, Sony seems to be pushing what is essentially yet another greatest hits package on the public: the This Is It soundtrack.

I hope Michael's estate ultimately attains control over the rights to his music or uses it with greater discretion. Madonna has an opportunity to study what is happening and, depending on her legal leverage, prevent the same exploitation/miscalculations.

number ones did end his 91 contract.the other releases were one off agreements between mj and sony
 

DuranDuran

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Surely, the only other artist apart from Michael that has emerged in the last 25 years that is still relevant today is Madonna.
I'd say U2 and Sting are still relevant. Diane Warren, the songwriter, also still gets a lot of work. Although she rarely releases anything, Sade still sells a lot whenever she does.
 

MJkidda

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Hey Jona there is no madonna forum on the net?is this the only one cuz after all I see you're a madonna fan,that's okay with me even though i dont like her at all but I havent seen you on a topic about Michael.I found that strange.
 

DuranDuran

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Hey Jona there is no madonna forum on the net?is this the only one cuz after all I see you're a madonna fan,that's okay with me even though i dont like her at all but I havent seen you on a topic about Michael.I found that strange.
If you don't like Madonna, why go in a thread about her?
 

Travis

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Hey Jona there is no madonna forum on the net?is this the only one cuz after all I see you're a madonna fan,that's okay with me even though i dont like her at all but I havent seen you on a topic about Michael.I found that strange.

I don't know if you're being sincere or not but all I'm gonna say is I've been here since 2003- through the thick and thin of it all.

I don't feel I need to dignify this question with a response.
 

Travis

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Here is more from Madonna's interview with Rollingstone. It's fantastic!

MADONNA’S MESSAGE: POP’S REIGNING QUEEN IN HER OWN WORDS



Her Madgesty on Michael Jackson and Britney Spears, her biggest scandals and her lasting legacy
AUSTIN SCAGGS/Rolling Stone

Madonna looks back at her epic three-decade career in Rolling Stone’s new issue, on stands now. We’ve relived 50 of her Madgesty’s most iconic moments — from declaring her plans for world domination on American Bandstand in 1984 to inspecting Britney Spears’ tonsils at the 2003 VMAs — and looked back at photos from her record-shattering Sticky & Sweet Tour, and now we’re happy to present exclusive outtakes from her candid interview.

In Q&A that didn’t make our issue, the Queen of Pop opens up about her relationships with Britney Spears and Michael Jackson, some of her most scandalous moments (naked in Penthouse, the “Like a Prayer” video flap), how she discovers new music, and what she’d like her legacy to be.

Your onstage stamina is incredible. I particularly enjoyed “Get Into the Groove,” which you sang while jumping rope on the Sticky & Sweet Tour. How do you stay in such good shape?

I have two different workouts. I have a show-day workout, which really just gets my body warmed up and ready, and I have off-day workouts that involve everything. The kind of training I do incorporates everything from ballet to Pilates to running relays, jumping rope, jumping on trampolines, gymnastics… using all the muscle groups I use to do the show. Keeping my cardiovascular endurance is the most important. At the beginning of the last tour I was roller-skating. Then I ended up getting off the roller skates, because I kept flying off the runway and crashing into the crash-mats.

Do you cry often onstage?

[On the Sticky & Sweet Tour] there’s a moment right before I sing “You Must Love Me,” which is such a sad song, when I’m not linked up to time-coded video, when I take a moment to talk to the audience. On this leg of the tour, I cried when I was making a speech about the two men who worked for the scaffolding company that were building my stage in Marseilles [who died in a collapse]. I cried when I found out Michael Jackson had died.

You and Michael were born in the same month, August of 1958. What was it like to witness a kid your age do what he did?

I was madly in love with him, totally smitten. He was mind-bogglingly talented. The songs he sang were not childlike at all.

When did you first meet him?

I met him in the early Eighties, when I first started working with my manager, Freddy DeMann, who at the time was managing Michael Jackson. I saw him play at Madison Square Garden, and I was blown away. He was flawless. There was a party at the Helmsley Palace Hotel. He was very shy, but it was a thrill for me.

Were you jealous of him?

In a good way. I’d wished I’d written “Billie Jean” and “Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’.” What song didn’t I love?

Ten years later there was talk of you recording together, and you went to the Oscars with him.

There was a period of time when we hung out. He wanted to work with me, I think he wanted to get to know me, and I wanted to do the same. When you write with somebody, it’s a weird experience, you feel vulnerable and shy. When I worked with Justin Timberlake I felt that way. To write songs together is a very intimate experience, like getting tossed into a juggernaut. “On your mark, get set, create!” You have to get past these hurdles, which are, “I want to impress this person, but will they think my ideas are stupid? What if their ideas are stupid? Can I be honest with them? Will they be offended?” You end up talking and gabbing and socializing, and you have to do that in order to get to the next level, to be creative. So that’s what we were doing: watching movies, having dinner, hanging out, going to the Oscars, being silly, seeing if we could work. He got relaxed. He took off his sunglasses, had a glass of wine, I got him to laugh.

You’re the only other entertainer in the world who can relate to enduring that level of scrutiny. Why did it destroy him?

All I have are my opinions, I wasn’t very close to him. It’s good to have a good childhood and a sense of yourself in the world before people start telling you who they think your are. Where you can make mistakes and have a sense of innocence. It gives you a sense of confidence. I don’t think he started off that way. Did he have any sense of himself outside of the world of being adored and famous? It’s hard to survive like that. I think he felt insecure about the attention he got, and had a love-hate relationship with his job. He didn’t seem to have any close friends. And in the last decade, everybody abandoned him, or wrote him off as crazy. People have said so many things about me that aren’t true, and I never once had a second thought that the accusations against him might be true. But he didn’t seem to have a way to deal with that, publicly or privately, and it can destroy you. When he died, everyone was saying what a great genius he was, but it’s important to appreciate things before you lose them. It’s a great tragedy.

Britney Spears was featured in a video clip during “Human Nature” in your Sticky & Sweet show. She’s stuck in an elevator and starts to go crazy. Is that how you analogize what’s happened in her career?

Yes. Didn’t that explain what I thought? “I’m not your bitch, don’t hang your shit on me.” I just think people should mind their own business and let her grow up. I think everyone goes off the deep end at one time or another, and she, like Michael Jackson, didn’t really have a childhood, so there are some inherent problems in that scenario. I have a lot of compassion for her, and I hope that she can find balance in her life. I don’t know how bad her meltdown was. One can’t believe everything one reads.

You’ve spoken about music as a vehicle for transcending misery. When did you first realize that music had a healing power?

Well, everybody knows that music can lift you up and take you away and save you, and even if you’re not aware or conscious of it, it’s happening. I don’t know anyone who hasn’t said, “This song saved my life,” “This song got me through a summer,” “This song got me through a breakup.”

From the beginning, you were described as a one-hit wonder. At what point were you able to use those derisive opinions as
motivation?


I thought that the turning point may have been when the nude photos of you appeared in Playboy and Penthouse, and you famously said, “I’m not ashamed.” It was something I did that was totally taken out of context, since the photos were taken when I was modeling for photography classes. It just seemed so unfair. Somebody was obviously taking advantage of the fact that I’d become famous and sold the photos. That’s how I made my living when I first came to New York. I modeled for art classes: painting, photography, drawing. I was a dancer, so I could hold poses for a long time and you could see the muscles in my body. It’s a perfectly respectable job. Everybody tried to make me feel ashamed, and it just seemed ludicrous. I won’t say that from that point on, none of the things people said about me ever bothered my, but I was able to use them as a springboard to, as you say, motivate me. It has the opposite effect. If you say I can’t do it, I’m going to do it. It’s like anything in life. The more resistance we have, the heavier our weight is, the bigger our muscles grow. It’s possibly the reason I still have a career. My whole career I’ve been met with resistance.

Do you think that some of the statements you’ve made, or provocative things you’ve done, have interfered with the quality of your music?

Possibly, but everything has happened as it should have happened. I am the sum total of everything I’ve said and done. I remember when I was making my documentary, I Am Because We Are, and I entered it into competition at Sundance, a woman said to me, “You have to decide whether you want to be an artist or an activist.” I said, “Why can’t I be both?” That’s how I’ve always felt.

In 1989, nobody mentioned that you might not want to dance and sing in front of burning crosses in your “Like A Prayer” video?

Actually, not that many people were against that. They were afterwards, obviously, but I didn’t care. Sometimes I’ve just stood up. I think religious fragmentation, or bigots who claim to do things in the name of God but actually bring pain to peoples lives is something that need to be stood up against, and I felt that was a part of what I was doing. And when I performed “Live to Tell” on a cross [on the Confessions Tour] I was supporting Jesus, paying homage to his message, which is to love your neighbor as yourself, to treat people with dignity. The Christians didn’t like that very much.

Who would you consider a musical genius? How do you define genius?

Genius can mean so many different things. It can be about poetry, or the melody, or the timbre of the voice when it hits a certain note. Whether it’s Cole Porter, Elvis Costello, Joe Henry, Stevie Wonder, Cat Stevens, David Bowie, Lou Reed, Chrissie Hynde, Joni Mitchell, Iggy Pop, Elton John, John Lennon or Chris.

You sang “Imagine” on your Re-invention Tour. Where were you when John Lennon was murdered?

I was actually on the Upper East Side. I remember getting off the subway train on 72nd Street a couple of hours after it happened, and there were crowds and police cars, it was crazy. Everybody was devastated. The violence of it was particularly disturbing, it can make you really paranoid. The Princess Diana car crash, and the tragic event that occurred with Michael Jackson, it just makes you pause. Every time I performed “Imagine” I could see the front rows would always cry. It’s uplifting. John Lennon could awaken that.

Can you attach certain inspirations to certain albums you’ve made?

There are so many inspiring people, artists and philosophers. I’m inspired by people who stick their necks out, like Martin Luther King, Al Gore and Ghandi. I have more obscure heroes like Frida Kahlo, Martha Graham and Eleanor Roosevelt. For American Life, I would say Michael Moore and Che Guevara. I’ve always been inspired by people who aren’t afraid to express their opinions, and speak about sexual politics and provocation and what’s right and what’s wrong, what’s correct and what isn’t a correct way for a male and female to behave, and playing with those boundaries. It’s obvious to me that if I had been a man and done many of the things that I’ve done, I would not have had that much attention paid to me. That reality has not escaped me.

Some of your best songs — “Live to Tell,” “Like a Prayer,” “Cherish” — are collaborations with songwriter/producer Patrick Leonard. Why has that relationship been so successful?

We’re both from the Midwest, and deep down at our core, we’re both geeks. He’s melancholic, and he is a classically trained musician with an incredible sense of melody. We just hit it off from the start. We always come up with something interesting. We usually don’t write frivolous songs, although we’ve done that, too. There’s something magical about our writing.

From a lyrical perspective, what are your favorite lines that you’ve written over the years?

I like the words to songs that aren’t very popular. “Miles Away” and “Devil Wouldn’t Recognize You.” They’re more personal and less accessible. I love the lyrics to “Like It or Not.” [Sings] “I’ll be the garden, you be the snake, all of my fruit is yours to take, better the devil that you know, your love will surely grow.” And I love “Paradise (Not For Me).” [Sings] “I can’t remember when I was young, I can’t explain if it was wrong.”

How important are hit songs to you?

Well… It’s important, I’m not going to lie. I want my music to be accessible and reach people all around the world.

Who turns you on to music?

I listen to music all the time. I have a lot of friends who are DJs, I get stuff from A&R people, my managers. Or I’ll go to a nightclub or listen to the radio. People always bring music to workouts, and I look on iTunes every Tuesday. One of my drivers in New York DJs part-time, and another has incredible taste in music. They’re always playing stuff for me. I don’t live my life in a bubble.

Does your oldest daughter, Lourdes, introduce you to new music?

She turned me on to the Ting Tings. There’s a band she loves called Disco Bitch. She’s into My Chemical Romance, and she’s outgrown the Jonas Brothers. She loves Lady Gaga, Ciara, Rihanna, T.I. and Justin. She lives with the iPod in her ears.

Does she critique you?

Oh, yeah. My shows, my music, definitely. She’s brutally honest, not just with me, but everyone, about what you’re wearing, who you’re dating, the music you listen to, every choice that you make. She wears the same sizes as me now, so she steals my clothes, my shoes, she’s constantly in my closets. And she’s working on the show now. Now, we feel more like friends, and we fight every other minute. A normal mother-daughter relationship, going through puberty.

Is it unusual for you to be confronted with such honest opinions?

I’d assume there’s a lot of people walking on eggshells in your presence.
I think I’m a pretty good judge of who’s blowing smoke up my ass. I’d like to think I have friends who tell me the truth, and people I work with who tell me the things I don’t want to hear. I have those people in my life, and I feel lucky to have them.

What is Lourdes’ role on tour?

She dresses the dancers backstage. She’s really into hair and make-up, so she does a lot of experimenting. She’s very talented. She could absolutely design her own line of clothes, she’s got great style. Everyone asks her what she thinks of their outfit. Her, not me.

What do you consider prized possessions?

I have tons and tons of notebooks that I’ve written and drawn in over the decades. The other things are more motherly: the first pair of shoes my daughter wore, her first lump of hair.

Is it a bittersweet feeling, parting with Warner Bros. after spending your entire career there?

I don’t know. The record business as we know it doesn’t exist anymore. The way people make, market and sell music is so different now. It’s just natural evolution. In many ways, it’s better, because kids have the chance now to get themselves out there without the middle man and all the bureaucracy and administrative bullshit that you have to endure. On the other hand, there isn’t somebody nurturing these kids along. I don’t know what the solution is. I’m sure it will all come around full circle again. It just feels like time to move on. I’m OK with it.

At the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you summed up your speech by saying, “It all comes down to the music.” Do you think about your legacy, or 100 years from now, how you’ll be remembered?

Not necessarily. But when I do my shows and see how music transports people, what I’m aware of more than anything when I see people crying, or ecstatic, is how music affects people, and the power it has, over every other art form. I’m so moved and transported by other peoples music — I’m a human being like everyone else. We must all share that same connection, so I’m privileged and blessed to be a channel for music. At the end of the day, are they going to think about how I dove for my shoe at the VMAs or that I was naked in the newspapers, or are they going to remember “Live To Tell”? I think that at the end of the day, people remember authenticity. They remember what’s true, and the rest falls by the wayside. They’ll remember what comes from someone’s heart.
 
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LoveMJackson

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oh cool..a thread about Madonna! I love her! (mostly in the 80's-90's) :heart:
I was in her last performance, loved her tribute to Michael. :)
 

BillieJean84

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OMG Lola is goregous! When Madonna was younger, she looked alot like Lola now. No doubt!! Shes gonna be a heartbreaker lol. P.S. I think Madonnas an amazing mom! Shes not too strict - but strict enough. Doesn't let kids watch tv ; buys like Spongebob or whatever, on dvd...- to avoid like tabloids and stuff I guess.
 
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Tony R

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Loving the Sticky & Sweet DVD/CD release. But wish Borderline was on the CD, great rocky version.

The great thing about Madonna's tours is that every song is performed differently to how you've seen or heard it before. Each concert is fully thought out and is new & inspiring.

Still loving Hard Candy, I can't believe how many people hated it. But then again I adore American Life also. Her best 2 albums in my opinion & I've loved her ever since Holiday.
 

Tony R

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^ Indeed. But it doesn't get better than 'The Girlie Show' for me.

Setlist
"Erotica"
"Fever"
"Vogue"
"Rain"
"Express Yourself"
"Deeper and Deeper"
"Why's It So Hard"
"In This Life"
"The Beast Within" (Dance Interlude)
"Like a Virgin"
"Bye Bye Baby"
"I'm Going Bananas"
"La Isla Bonita"
"Holiday"
"Justify My Love"
"Everybody"
 

LoveMJackson

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Lourdes is beautiful, I saw her in Madonna's concert, she looks a lot like her mother when she was young but more beautiful in my opinion.
 

Travis

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Still loving Hard Candy, I can't believe how many people hated it. But then again I adore American Life also. Her best 2 albums in my opinion & I've loved her ever since Holiday.

I've read some critiques of fans and music lovers in general who didn't like Hard Candy (the critics pretty much all loved it) but to me, they missed the point of the album. Hard Candy was a return to form for Madonna. It was M going back to her roots and producing a pure pop album tinged with R&B. I love almost every single track save for a couple. I would have replaced "Incredible" and "Spanish Lesson" for the two non-album cuts "Ring My Bell" and "Across The Sky". Then, Hard Candy would be perfect but it's still a great album to listen to.

And I agree about American Life. That too is one of my top Madonna albums. It's hard for me to rate them all but it's definitely in my top 3 (maybe even #1).
 

Ashtanga

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I've read some critiques of fans and music lovers in general who didn't like Hard Candy (the critics pretty much all loved it) but to me, they missed the point of the album. Hard Candy was a return to form for Madonna. It was M going back to her roots and producing a pure pop album tinged with R&B. I love almost every single track save for a couple. I would have replaced "Incredible" and "Spanish Lesson" for the two non-album cuts "Ring My Bell" and "Across The Sky". Then, Hard Candy would be perfect but it's still a great album to listen to.

And I agree about American Life. That too is one of my top Madonna albums. It's hard for me to rate them all but it's definitely in my top 3 (maybe even #1).
I love them all, but........... "Ray of Light" is great. :wild: I love this album.
 

suzynyc

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I think my favorite Madonna song of all is "Crazy For You". That was a big hit when I was in college. Everytime I hear it I'm transported back. I love Madonna's ballads.

I like all her hits (although I admit I haven't heard a lot of her more recent stuff) but for me the other standouts are...

Dress You Up
La Isla Bonita (loved the video too)
Papa Don't Preach
Love Don't Live Here (Anymore)
You'll See
Into The Groove
Angel

Edit: Oh, and favorite album is True Blue. I played that thing sooo much in the 80's.
 
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LoveMJackson

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I think my favorite Madonna song of all is "Crazy For You". That was a big hit when I was in college. Everytime I hear it I'm transported back. I love Madonna's ballads.

I like all her hits (although I admit I haven't heard a lot of her more recent stuff) but for me the other standouts are...

Dress You Up
La Isla Bonita (loved the video too)
Papa Don't Preach
Love Don't Live Here (Anymore)
You'll See
Into The Groove

I love the song "Crazy For You" and all the others you mentioned. I think my favourite is "Vogue" but there are many others that I like.
 

BillieJean84

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Lourdes is beautiful, I saw her in Madonna's concert, she looks a lot like her mother when she was young but more beautiful in my opinion.


I dunno if Madonna had anything done but she was NATURAL BEAUTY pre- operation (if any)

thats awesome that Madonna would allow Lourdes to go onstage too on her concert! She did allow Lourdes to be onstage as a flower girl in the 2002/03 MTV awards- when she & Britney kissed ; you
can see Lola if you look close. youtube it.:punk:


oh & for Harry Potter fans- Lola either tried out or wanted to try out for a part in Harry Potter- I think perhaps the first or 2nd one- but Madonna would not allow it. Saying Lourdes was too young or somehting.
 

LoveMJackson

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thats awesome that Madonna would allow Lourdes to go onstage too on her concert! She did allow Lourdes to be onstage as a flower girl in the 2002/03 MTV awards- when she & Britney kissed ; you
can see Lola if you look close. youtube it.:punk:


Yes, you can see that on YouTube and the biggest surprise was Rocco, he was onstage too at the end of the show. :) :heart:
 

Tony R

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I've read some critiques of fans and music lovers in general who didn't like Hard Candy (the critics pretty much all loved it) but to me, they missed the point of the album. Hard Candy was a return to form for Madonna. It was M going back to her roots and producing a pure pop album tinged with R&B. I love almost every single track save for a couple. I would have replaced "Incredible" and "Spanish Lesson" for the two non-album cuts "Ring My Bell" and "Across The Sky". Then, Hard Candy would be perfect but it's still a great album to listen to.

And I agree about American Life. That too is one of my top Madonna albums. It's hard for me to rate them all but it's definitely in my top 3 (maybe even #1).

I adore American Life. I think, no am sure, it's my favourite. Songs such as Nothing Fails and Mother & Father shouldn't be relegated to album tracks only.

And yes your're right re: HC. It was a full 80's throwback. Especially She's Not Me, even down to the false fade-out going into it's own 12" version. Am I the only one that loves Spanish Lesson?!?

Top 10 albums?

1. American Life
2. Hard Candy
3. I'm Breathless
4. Erotica
5. Madonna
6. Like A Prayer
7. True Blue
8. Like A Virgin
9. Ray Of Light
10. Bedtime Stories


...probably.
 

BillieJean84

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I would love it if Madonna went on tour and sang everything from Like a virgin to her most recent. but I don't think Madonna even sings her original songs anyway like 'Virgin' because it was "so long ago." I want to see another tour just like Blonde Ambition but that toos not gonna happen lol ; shes way to conservative now.
 

Tony R

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^ Madonna's sung Like A Virgin in every tour she's ever done.

Re-invention in 2002 was virtually a Greatest Hits set, since then she's bound to promote her latest album. No-one wants to hear the same songs 'over and over'.

And anyway, her latest stuff is much better than her '80s material, girl.
 
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