Michael's Unreleased Material [MERGED]

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

There's still quite a few songs I still can't wait to hear, Joy, full version of Men In Black, Buffalo Bill, Chicago 1945, later versions of Don't Be Messin' Round, anything post 2005, Willing and Waiting, Broken Chair and I'm sure there is a few songs left that we've heard nothing about yet
 
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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

Make or Break is supposed to be amazing, but very unfinished. Who cares, I just want to hear it.
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

Don't trust Branca's word on MJ's music.

CGYWOOM is even more similar to Privacy, especially in the way it is sung and the whole tempo of it

Yeah, it seems Branca (and the estate in general) just say whatever suits them at the time. I'm pretty sure he recently said that the Will.I.Am tracks don't even exist. Which we know is crap, he has also said many provably false things in the past.
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

I think the will.i.am songs are the "holy grail" because we still have no idea how much material that they actually made together, finished or not.

Personally, I wanna see Can't Get Your Weight Off Me be released one day, but the fact that we all know it exists in the first place means it's not "holy grail"-worthy (in my opinion)
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

Agreed it'll most likely be something I have never heard at this point. Stuff he was working on when he died is a must for me. No matter how unfinished it may be.
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

The next holy grail for me is Victory with Freddie Mercury.
 

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mj_frenzy;4308365 said:
In any case, most of his unreleased songs from his career (in a complete, or in a nearly complete state) come from the ‘BAD’ recording sessions, and a testament for that is that the Estate had the luxury of choosing from around 60 unreleased, complete/nearly complete songs for the ‘BAD 25’ album.

There were only 20 songs up for inclusion on Bad 25. Michael wrote and recorded around 60 demos between 1983-87, but they weren’t all on the table in 2012. (Plus, they all aren’t complete or nearly complete. Some, like “Make or Break,” are just chorus vocals.)

SmoothCriminal1995;4308377 said:
There's still quite a few songs I still can't wait to hear, Joy, full version of Men In Black, Buffalo Bill, Chicago 1945, later versions of Don't Be Messin' Round, anything post 2005, Willing and Waiting, Broken Chair and I'm sure there is a few songs left that we've heard nothing about yet

Michael only sings the chorus of “Willing and Waiting” — the verses are Babyface. It sounds like either it was meant for a Babyface album, or Michael just never finished the vocals.

Also, I have massive doubts about a finished version of “Man in Black” existing. Bryan Loren is far from a trustworthy source unfortunately.
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

Agreed, Bryan isn't trustworthy. Weird he'd just bring a version without vocals to a seminar when a version with full vocals supposedly exists.
 

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AlwaysThere;4308399 said:
There were only 20 songs up for inclusion on Bad 25. Michael wrote and recorded around 60 demos between 1983-87, but they weren’t all on the table in 2012. (Plus, they all aren’t complete or nearly complete. Some, like “Make or Break,” are just chorus vocals.)



Michael only sings the chorus of “Willing and Waiting” — the verses are Babyface. It sounds like either it was meant for a Babyface album, or Michael just never finished the vocals.

Also, I have massive doubts about a finished version of “Man in Black” existing. Bryan Loren is far from a trustworthy source unfortunately.

Wait, how do you know what the song sounds like?
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

Agreed, Bryan isn't trustworthy. Weird he'd just bring a version without vocals to a seminar when a version with full vocals supposedly exists.

That's exactly what I thought. That paired with his whole "I actually wrote the rap to 'Black or White,' and Michael copied my production style for several songs on HIStory and Invincible" issue turned me away from him completely.
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

For me, preferring stuff from 2001 onwards

-The apparently 'gothic' songs
-Michael Prince /Brad Buxer stuff
-RedOne
-Will.i.am
-unknown gems, latest version of released demos
-classical album
-movie soundtracks which were scrapped
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

We have so many threads on this topic already.
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

We have so many threads on this topic already.

people need to entertain themselves theres never any big news and the estate never release anything substantial
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

Yes, maybe everyone should just stop posting lol.
 

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AlwaysThere;4308399 said:
There were only 20 songs up for inclusion on Bad 25. Michael wrote and recorded around 60 demos between 1983-87, but they weren’t all on the table in 2012. (Plus, they all aren’t complete or nearly complete. Some, like “Make or Break,” are just chorus vocals.)



Michael only sings the chorus of “Willing and Waiting” — the verses are Babyface. It sounds like either it was meant for a Babyface album, or Michael just never finished the vocals.

Also, I have massive doubts about a finished version of “Man in Black” existing. Bryan Loren is far from a trustworthy source unfortunately.

Thanks for the info as always mate. I remember somebody mentioned that Willing and Waiting was one of Brad Sundberg's favourites
 

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AlwaysThere;4308399 said:
There were only 20 songs up for inclusion on Bad 25. Michael wrote and recorded around 60 demos between 1983-87, but they weren’t all on the table in 2012. (Plus, they all aren’t complete or nearly complete. Some, like “Make or Break,” are just chorus vocals.)

Michael only sings the chorus of “Willing and Waiting” — the verses are Babyface. It sounds like either it was meant for a Babyface album, or Michael just never finished the vocals.

Also, I have massive doubts about a finished version of “Man in Black” existing. Bryan Loren is far from a trustworthy source unfortunately.

It can be easily deduced that a finished version of the ‘Man In Black’ song exists.

Apart from Bryan Loren who confirmed that, there is also Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead who described it as an unreleased song, which suggests that a finished version of it exists.

Also, Bill Bottrell used to endlessly listen to that song through the doors at Record One Studios, and he described the song as cool, which again suggests that a finished version of it exists.

‘Man In Black’ was among the few, new songs for the ‘Decade’ album, and this also means that Michael Jackson finished that song at one point in order to include it on that album.

About ‘Willing And Waiting’, this song was not meant for a Babyface album.

While ‘Willing And Waiting’ was being developed during the ‘HIStory’ album sessions, it became clear to everybody that it did not fit the hard theme of the ‘HIStory’ album, hence its exclusion from the album.

The reason was that ‘Willing And Waiting’ was a musically and lyrically soft song.

Brad Sundberg spoke about that song:

“A very pretty song - but I think Michael was looking to push things pretty hard on ‘HIStory’, ‘Willing And Waiting’ was maybe a bit softer than the direction he was going” (Brad Sundberg)

Although ‘Willing And Waiting’ exists in a demo form, it can be considered musically and lyrically a finished song (the only problem is that Babyface sings some parts of it as a vocal guide).
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

people need to entertain themselves there's never any big news and the estate never release anything substantial

I understand that completely, but surely they can entertain themselves in the plethora of threads we have on this topic, instead of starting another thread?

Yes, maybe everyone should just stop posting lol.

You know very well that isn't what I meant. It isn't difficult to bump up other threads on unreleased songs and continue to contribute to those threads, by having fruitful discussions in them.
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

Beautiful Girl was worked on until 2008 and was on his list pinned to his mirror for possible inclusion on the new album.
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

I understand that completely, but surely they can entertain themselves in the plethora of threads we have on this topic, instead of starting another thread?



You know very well that isn't what I meant. It isn't difficult to bump up other threads on unreleased songs and continue to contribute to those threads, by having fruitful discussions in them.

I only ever made this thread because I assumed there were rules against necrobumping. None of the unreleased song threads have been updated in months, and I thought that posting in an old thread would have consequences.
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

I only ever made this thread because I assumed there were rules against necrobumping. None of the unreleased song threads have been updated in months, and I thought that posting in an old thread would have consequences.

"Necrobumping"?? What a word. LMAO
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

"Necrobumping"?? What a word. LMAO

On the other forums (and not just the MJ forums, either), necrobumping was downright frowned upon, because what's the point of reviving old threads from many months ago when you could make a new thread more people would notice and come to?
 

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Re: What's the next "holy grail" of unreleased MJ songs?

On the other forums (and not just the MJ forums, either), necrobumping was downright frowned upon, because what's the point of reviving old threads from many months ago when you could make a new thread more people would notice and come to?

From MJJC Posting Guidelines:

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^^^^

I do understand this rule. But now MJ's been dead for 10 years there are not that many news anymore. So I don't really think it is as big as a problem anymore.
Still the rule is there, so naturally it should be followed. But rules can change if it makes sense. Once it was not allowed to post pictures of MJ's children.
 

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^^^^

I do understand this rule. But now MJ's been dead for 10 years there are not that many news anymore. So I don't really think it is as big as a problem anymore.
Still the rule is there, so naturally it should be followed. But rules can change if it makes sense. Once it was not allowed to post pictures of MJ's children.

It doesn't make sense to change the rule. It's a lot more useful to have things contained within one thread so everyone can easily find all of the information and points of view already available, see how things have changed over time, and provide relevant updates going forward. Having things scattered all over the place means more work for everyone.
 

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It doesn't make sense to change the rule. It's a lot more useful to have things contained within one thread so everyone can easily find all of the information and points of view already available, see how things have changed over time, and provide relevant updates going forward. Having things scattered all over the place means more work for everyone.

I suppose that makes sense.
 
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