MJ Estate Sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme Countersues / Tohme's Complaint [Merged]

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05/16/2016 Answer to Unverified 1st Am. Compl
Filed by Attorney for Defendant

05/16/2016 Cross-complaint filed (DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant

Ivy, does that mean that the estate sued Tohme?
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

^

they already did under probate, now they are doing the same under civil.

A few notes: Unfortunately Beckloff moved to Santa Monica and this means court documents are no longer being scanned into the system. Only the lawsuits at the main LA courthouse is scanned.

Last we know Neverland issues was put back on calendar. Estate also wanted a retrial about the contracts. Plus Estate's complaints was continuing on probate. My guess would be all of them are combined and put back on calendar. As it needs to go through the process it delayed the trial. It seems like parties filed their amended complaints. They will set a date for trial and handle all the matters (discovery, summary judgment etc) during the meantime,
 

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Ok, thanks Ivy.

It has been and will be a long process before this case is sorted out.
 

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I'm not one to often judge a book by its cover but.... remember what Mike said about him and Look in tohmes eyes, does he give you a trust worthy person to you?
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

His a greedy man that how i see him got his hands in the pocket of the Estate too.
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

There was a hearing about this case
07/08/2016 at 09:30 am in Department WEM, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Trial Setting Conference - Trial Set

Future Hearings

04/21/2017 at 09:00 am in department M at 1725 Main Street, Santa Monica, CA 90401
Final Status Conference(JT 5/1/17)

05/01/2017 at 09:00 am in department M at 1725 Main Street, Santa Monica, CA 90401
Jury Trial(10 DAYS)


These cases are unreal! The date for trial is set to after 4 years case started. Why is it that murder trials are faster then trials about money?
 

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These cases are unreal! The date for trial is set to after 4 years case started. Why is it that murder trials are faster then trials about money?

majority of the delay on this case is due to the labor commissioner proceedings. that took 2+ years.

Plus criminal cases proceed faster because the goal is the clear the name of the innocent or publish the guilty speedy.
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

he's a big time manipulator... slick b!tch...
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

There was a hearing about this case
07/08/2016 at 09:30 am in Department WEM, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Trial Setting Conference - Trial Set

Future Hearings

04/21/2017 at 09:00 am in department M at 1725 Main Street, Santa Monica, CA 90401
Final Status Conference(JT 5/1/17)

05/01/2017 at 09:00 am in department M at 1725 Main Street, Santa Monica, CA 90401
Jury Trial(10 DAYS)


These cases are unreal! The date for trial is set to after 4 years case started. Why is it that murder trials are faster then trials about money?


so the trial is definitely set for May next year?
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

so the trial is definitely set for May next year?

The date is set but I wouldn't say definitely because they could be asking more time or something happens. Quincy's case trial was set a few times but its been pushed further for some reasons.
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Too much Thome to me...
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

I was gonna call "Dr" Tohme a money grubbing parasite......but that would be an insult to parasites.
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

^ :lol: :lol:
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Are there any updates?
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Look like this will never end.


Any news yet?
 
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I was wondering if there might be more news on this case soon....Could 'time' on the case be running out....or has the 'clock' not started yet????

Anyhow, there was a 'sideways' mention of Tohme in this article by Friedman today, so I thought I'd add it here, rather than make a new thread.

Bob Weinstein Takes Bridge Loan from Trump Adviser-Backer After Blowing Up Company

The Weinstein Company is over. Bob Weinstein — after blowing up the company in act of perfidy rarely seen — has accepted a bridge loan from an odd source, perhaps on purpose.

While TWC negotiates a fire sale, Bob has taken money from Tom Barrack, owner of Colony Capital. Of course, Barrack is a very important backer of Donald Trump. He even organized the famously small inauguration back in January. He also helped engineer Michael Jackson’s downfall via “Doctor” Tohme Tohme– but that’s another story.

Irony number 1: Harvey Weinstein did what he could to defeat Trump. Now his brother has taken money from the enemy.

Irony number 2: Colony Capital– which snatched Neverland from Michael Jackson and has never been able to sell it — previously owned the Miramax library after Disney sold it to them. CC already picked over Weinstein bones and then sold them off. This is the second time around.

It’s hard for me to read statements from Bob Weinstein depicting him as some kind of ignorant angel and victim in all these matters. Bob was always considered the more unpleasant of the two brothers, the more venal, and less artistic. Or not artistic at all. That he didn’t know what Harvey was doing all these years — in any arena — is absurd.

But what is really outrageous is Bob’s behavior toward his own brother. Yes, it does appear that Harvey has done terrible things. Bob, however, would have no life and a much different career if Harvey had not produced all those Oscar films. It was Harvey’s taste and aptitude for making quality films that put Miramax on the map. Without “The English Patient” et al, Miramax under Bob would have been Troma without the irony.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2017/10/1...trump-adviser-backer-after-blowing-up-company
 

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It was on the uk news about colony planning to buy out the company. I also read that the estate agent selling nevvy has it as now sold. I dont know whos selling it so if those who do know could have a look
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Part of me doesn't want it sold. Too worried about a new owner erasing the last remnants of Michael off the property.

On the other hand, I don't want it to fall into disrepair from being unoccupied for years, like the abandoned mansions in urban explorer videos. That can only lead to complete demolition at some point to make way for a new building.
 

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Thanks ivy
 

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The pictures are just breathtaking so beautiful. I hope the kids try to get Neverland back but that will be wishful thinking but if it is sold i hope a Michael Jackson fan buy it if i had the money i know i would buy it.
 

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Manager says he helped save Michael Jackson’s Neverland, and now he wants estate to pay up
https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/...-neverland-and-now-he-wants-estate-to-pay-up/
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By City News Service | citynewsservice@scng.com |

January 4, 2018 at 11:32 am

Tohme Tohme says he was instrumental in saving the Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch in Los Olivos from foreclosure when the singer was still alive, and now the former manager for the King of Pop says Jackson's estate owes him $2.3 million. (File photo by the Associated Press)
Tohme Tohme says he was instrumental in saving the Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch in Los Olivos from foreclosure when the singer was still alive, and now the former manager for the King of Pop says Jackson’s estate owes him $2.3 million. (File photo by the Associated Press)

SANTA MONICA — A Los Angeles judge has cleared the way for trial of a lawsuit brought against Michael Jackson’s estate by one of his former managers, who alleges he’s owed money for his work in preventing a foreclosure on the singer’s Neverland Ranch in 2008.

Santa Monica Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff said there are triable issues as to whether Tohme Tohme’s services to Jackson were those typically done by a real estate broker and whether the plaintiff was required to be licensed to perform such work.


Tohme Tohme says that in 2008 he discovered that a promisary note on Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch was in default and that the lender had begun foreclosure proceedings. He claims to have brokered a private-equity deal that allowed the singer to keep the property. (File photo by the Associated Press)
Tohme Tohme says that in 2008 he discovered that a promisary note on Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch was in default and that the lender had begun foreclosure proceedings. He claims to have brokered a private-equity deal that allowed the singer to keep the property. (File photo by the Associated Press)

Beckloff, who heard arguments on the estate’s motion to dismiss the case on Dec. 18 before ruling nine days later, said the agreement between Jackson and Tohme called for the plaintiff to receive a finder’s fee if he performed obligations under the deal.

Tohme says he found out in 2008 that the promissory note on Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara County was in default and that the lender had begun foreclosure proceedings. Tohme says he introduced Jackson to Tom Barrack, CEO for the private equity firm Colony Capital LLC.

“As a result of my efforts, Colony Capital agreed to advance funds to pay off the promissory note which … resulted in a cancellation of the foreclosure proceedings against Neverland Ranch,” Tohme says in a sworn statement.

According to Beckloff, the terms of the contract between Tohme and Jackson called for the former manager to receive $2.3 million as compensation upon identifying and introducing Jackson to a Colony Capital representative.

Trial of Tohme’s lawsuit is scheduled for Feb. 5.

Jackson died in June 2009 at age 50 of a drug overdose. His estate is run by entertainment lawyer John Branca and longtime music executive John McClain.

Colony Capital is the same company that entered into talks in October to buy some or all of the assets of the Weinstein Co. in the midst of revelations of sexual harassment allegations against Harvey Weinstein, but the negotiations ended a month later when the two sides could not agree on a price.
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

No reports about the trial. Is there a delay?
 

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Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Thome... you've had this and alot more coming to you!

And if what thome did "saved" neverland.. well than, save done poorly.
 

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He didnt save anything. Just did his job for his boss barrak. Making sure he ended up with it yet claimed to be working for mjs best intrest. Conflict of intrest not much
 

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Some news, at long last.... (I hope this trial will eventually show that Tohme did not have the authority to gift MJ's share of his art away. The estate claims in its suit against Tohme that he improperly used Powers of Attorney to give Strong copyrights that Michael owned.)

Michael Jackson's Final Days to Be Explored at Trial Beginning Next Week

A lawsuit brought seven years ago by the singer's mysterious ex-manager, Tohme Tohme, finally gets tested at trial. Among those scheduled to testify are John Branca, John McClain, Katherine Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, and Tom Barrack Jr.

For the past few months, thanks largely to the documentary Leaving Neverland, the discussion on Michael Jackson has centered around whether the late pop superstar deserves a more critical reexamination due to multiple allegations of child sexual abuse.

But how did the singer, who was up to his ears in debt around the turn of the century and suffering from many stains on his reputation, rehabilitate himself in the first place? And who deserves a chunk of the billions of dollars in spoils from what was collected in the aftermath of the King of Pop's fateful overdose on propofol at age 50 on June 25, 2009?

This coming Tuesday, nearly a decade after Jackson's death, a trial is scheduled to begin that will explore the singer's final, strange days, and in particular, his relationship with Tohme Tohme, a mysterious man who came into Jackson's life in 2008 boasting of connections throughout the Arab world.

In Tohme's lawsuit, filed all the way back in 2012 — so long ago that it's understandable that this legal dispute has slipped off almost everyone's radar — he alleges providing the necessary "advice, guidance and skillful work" to improve Jackson's public image, alleviate the singer's financial situation and put his client in a position to make a final tour.

Tohme continues to allege that the Michael Jackson Estate owes him a 15 percent commission on compensation that Jackson received during his last year on Earth and also wants a cut of revenues relating to This Is It, the concert film that grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. Finally, he's seeking a finder's fee for securing a loan that prevented foreclosure on Jackson's beloved Neverland Ranch home.

As Jackson's manager, under a services agreement, Tohme got a $35,000 monthly fee on top of a 15 percent commission, and it's the position of the Michael Jackson Estate that the agreement was properly terminated before Jackson's death. The defendant has also presented the service agreement as being unconscionable and has alleged in its own claims against Tohme that in securing a very lucrative financial package for himself, the ex-manager breached his fiduciary duties and stole money from the singer.

The trial is being split into two phases.

The first will be contractual interpretation. Tohme is hoping to bring experts to the witness stand to testify that post-termination commissions are customary in the entertainment industry. If Tohme did the groundwork for This Is It, he believes he's entitled to 15 percent as any agent or manager would get even after being fired. The Michael Jackson Estate responds that the plain language of the agreement is what counts — and that customs and practices are irrelevant.

The second may get into the nitty-gritty of the relationship between Jackson and Tohme — for instance, whether or not Jackson actually fired Tohme is a point of controversy among the parties and something that would be dealt with if necessary at the later stage. Tohme alleges that he only took 15 percent after Jackson proposed becoming 50/50 partners.

The trial will have some very notable witnesses, including Jackson's mother, Katherine, his brother Jermaine, top agents and lawyers in the entertainment industry and Thomas Barrack Jr., the Donald Trump confidant whose Colony Capital spared Jackson from being evicted from Neverland after buying the loan on the property.

The sex abuse allegations may not figure prominently but could get at least some sideways attention.

Tohme wants to spill the beans on the percentage of revenue paid as compensation to John Branca and John McClain, the co-executors of the Michael Jackson Estate. Having allegedly done things like working on Jackson's image, handling licensing requests and settling the singer's dispute with Sheikh Abdullah of Bahrain, Tohme believes his work is comparable to Branca's and McClain's work, so the evidence of their compensation goes to the reasonableness of his own.

This could open up a discussion of how both sides have respectively served Jackson's legacy. Branca and McClain — both scheduled to testify as well — object to the notion that there are parallels and say that if necessary they'd discuss the differences.

A final status conference is set for Monday.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mark A. Young will make final evidentiary rulings and gauge each side's preparedness to begin. It's possible that after seven years, the judge may see reason to delay once again, but the trial will likely commence quite soon and add to the story of the much discussed entertainment figure that is Michael Jackson.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/t...BGi4s6Fn6gLlFQE2DUNCojvgu64QMHzaHnmuyWp9b3FQE
 
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https://www.nme.com/news/music/mich...e-examined-at-new-trial-next-week-2486282/amp


The final days of Michael Jackson will reportedly face examination in an upcoming trial brought by his former manager.

Businessman Tohme Tohme began working with Jackson in 2008 and claims that his work helped the star rehabilitate his public image – clearing the way for him to announce the 50 date residency at London’s O2 Arena that Jackson was planning at the time of his death.

In 2010, Tohme launched his first lawsuit against the Jackson estate, claiming that he was owed money under his contract with the late star.

The latest lawsuit was filed all the way back in 2012, but is expected to finally face the courtroom next Tuesday. Tohme claims that the the Michael Jackson Estate owes him a 15 percent commission on the compensation that Jackson received in his final year before his death.

He is also seeking a cut of revenues from This Is It, the concert film that captured Jackson’s final auditions for his O2 Arena residency, grossing hundreds of millions of dollars. Tohme is also attempting to secure a finder’s fee for securing the loan that prevented foreclosure on Jackson’s beloved Neverland Ranch home.

While the Jackson estate claims that all agreements with Tohme have been terminated, this trial will be split into two phases – featuring in person testimonies from high profile figures include Jackson’s mother Katherine and his brother Jermaine.


Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mark A. Young will reportedly preside over the case when it begins next week.

It comes months after Leaving Neverland detailed extensive allegations of sexual abuse against the late star. The documentary, which split opinion when part one aired in the UK earlier this year, focuses on testimony by Wade Robson, 36, and James Safechuck, 41, who both claim that Jackson sexually abused them when they were children.

In the wake of the film being shown, Jackson’s songs were subsequently banned on numerous radio stations around the world. A new Michael Jackson musical meanwhile, is among the events in his honour continuing to go ahead.
 

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Re: MJ Estate Sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme Countersues / Tohme's Complaint

Blast from the past. Does anyone actually remember what this was about????
 

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I wonder if this will be big in the news and how much it will drag up Leaving Neverland again.
 

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Hasn't this dude stolen enough money from Mike when he was alive? Greedy bitch.
 
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