New MJ content (Possibility)

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Where do I see this dangerous new release?
Depends where you live I think. For the USA, this just seems to be a Walmart release on colored vinyl. It doesn't seem to be related to the 30th anniversary of Dangerous. Walmart is known for having exclusive colored vinyl albums. Other non-MJ colored vinyl albums are coming out the same day as Dangerous at Walmart so this is sort of just an ordinary rerelease.
 

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hahaha :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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Exactly, Dangerous doesn't get that much love in special releases. It's better to not release nothing then this. This made no sense. How many times could we buy Dangerous? The vinyl is just colored. I bet some fans would buy this. I'm pretty sure a big chunk of Michael's fanbase doesn't have vinyl, and just streams the music. Or listen to it on YouTube. This was really unnecessary.
I won't lie, I'm mildly tempted to get it simply because it will be available for less during one of Walmart's early Black Friday things, and Dangerous is my favorite MJ album. However, I doubt the sound quality will be good as I think colored vinyls don't have as good quality as regular vinyls, so I think I shall pass. =/

Now if HIStory was re-released on vinyl in it's complete form and NOT as a shitty picture vinyl, I'd be all over that.
 

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As someone mentioned above - I do not think this has anything to do with 30th anniversary?

This is just Dangerous on vinyl - nothing new, nothing special. No one - not SONY or The Estate has mentioned this or said anything about D30 - so there is not really anything to blame anyone - this is not a new or special release... Just Dangerous on vinyl re-print - that happens with all vinyls every now and then. This maybe just proves, that Dangerous still sells on vinyl so more copies had to be made - which is very positive.

MJ must have spend a lot of money on Ghosts - so they should focus on releasing that - and Thriller and The Making of's - on 4K Blu-Ray and digital - and stream.
 

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They're not releasing anything. Stop giving your hopes up. Stop expecting the estate to release anything. They don't care & by now it clearly shows!
 

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My sources say, a "new" audio release will be closely related to MJ Musical, will feature music from the Dangerous Tour and might include some bonus material, most likely will not be any unreleased/unheard material. Also there's a chance for a Dangerous Tour Bucharest to be re-released in 1080 (not 4K) or from some other city / possibly 2nd leg 1993. And some merch like Dangerous World Tour hoodies. All related to MJ Musical. That's it for 2022.
 

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My sources say, a "new" audio release will be closely related to MJ Musical, will feature music from the Dangerous Tour and might include some bonus material, most likely will not be any unreleased/unheard material. Also there's a chance for a Dangerous Tour Bucharest to be re-released in 1080 (not 4K) or from some other city / possibly 2nd leg 1993. And some merch like Dangerous World Tour hoodies. All related to MJ Musical. That's it for 2022.

The musical soundtrack performed by the cast
 

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As someone mentioned above - I do not think this has anything to do with 30th anniversary?

This is just Dangerous on vinyl - nothing new, nothing special. No one - not SONY or The Estate has mentioned this or said anything about D30 - so there is not really anything to blame anyone - this is not a new or special release... Just Dangerous on vinyl re-print - that happens with all vinyls every now and then. This maybe just proves, that Dangerous still sells on vinyl so more copies had to be made - which is very positive.

MJ must have spend a lot of money on Ghosts - so they should focus on releasing that - and Thriller and The Making of's - on 4K Blu-Ray and digital - and
The musical soundtrack performed by the cast
No thanks
 

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All I care about at this point is just hearing all of the unreleased demos from 1976-1991. More specifically, Buffalo Bill and Chicago 1945. Having doubts I'll never get to hear those in my lifetime.
 

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IMHO its really not smart from the estate to just not release anything for so much time..
cause i just realised that i almost don't care anymore.. and i think lots of fans gave up on this already..
so when estate finally decides to do something no one really cares for it anymore.. it will definitely lower the sales.. it would be different if they would keep MJ in the public eye contant with little releases..
 

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Does anyone have any logical or concrete reason as to why The Ultimate Collection is NOT available on Spotify in Europe? Why?

They have a useless low quality Manila 1996 concert audio, they have Number Ones, Essential Michael Jackson, This is it, all the repacked ones with a couple of bonus songs.

But The Ultimate Collection with tons of bonus songs? No, why should they include that..... To me, this is just another fact as to how The Estate doesn't care to make MJ look the best as possible. It's careless
 

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Does anyone have any logical or concrete reason as to why The Ultimate Collection is NOT available on Spotify in Europe? Why?

They have a useless low quality Manila 1996 concert audio, they have Number Ones, Essential Michael Jackson, This is it, all the repacked ones with a couple of bonus songs.

But The Ultimate Collection with tons of bonus songs? No, why should they include that..... To me, this is just another fact as to how The Estate doesn't care to make MJ look the best as possible. It's careless
They don't even have the European version of Number Ones here in Europe, so Blood on the Dance Floor gets the cold shoulder.
 

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They should release this concert:

They uploaded that on the official Youtube channel so its good enough to be released.
I have so many questions about that show. Was the full show shot in that quality? The audio and video is above other Umatic tapes. Did MTVs crew film it? It doesn't make sense for only 1 song to be in that quality.

As for Dangerous. It seems like that era always gets overlooked because the general public only cares about Thriller & Bad. I would love a doc on Dangerous. It deserves it. I don't care who directs it. That was a statement album. Arguably his best imo. The fact that it's only getting a vinyl is.. .sad.
 

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Adele’s last album sold 3 million copies in its opening week. No one, MJ included, has EVER done that. Literally every living music act moved their projects because they know they’ll get no attention.

December into early 2022 is the best bet, especially if we wanna get MJ another chart topper.
I'm responding to this late so I'm sorry, but I was watching something recently that exposed a lot of music industry secrets.

The takeaway was - you can't compare current artists' record sales to historical ones. Ever notice how a lot of records are suddenly being broken since streaming was a thing?

Turns out the way a "sale" is recorded is so vague. Streams are counted, but a lot of fanbases are manipulating figures by creating playlists and letting them run on and artificially inflating them. Then you have things like YouTube ads that contain the song that are played for over 10 seconds being counted as a sale. Then you have YouTube views (a FREE service, don't forget) counting in with sales figures. You have streams which can be listened to for free, as opposed to having to pay for a physical version back in the day. You have sales being attached to merchandise purchases (in the small print of merchandise purchased from an artist it will say it includes the sale of an album and includes a QR code that can be used to download it. This code doesn't even have to be physical provided, it can just state that). There's a lot of shady dealings.

Sales could manipulated in the past (bulk buying purchases etc) but it depended on the record label's investment potential and was only done by the label. Nowadays, fans have multiple ways of artificially inflating sales too (I can't imagine the average person had the money to buy their favourite artists album 20 times back in the day, but they can certainly stream it on Spotify countless times, watch YouTube videos of it which count towards the data countless times etc).

Lastly, Adele's "3 million in one week" record was recognized by Nielsen, who started tracking this in 1991. They state that this the largest first weeks sales SINCE they started recording these figures. Which invalidates anything released before 1991. The albums of Michael's that could fairly stand against this were recorded before Nielsen tracked this data.

Long story short - I think Adele is as great as everyone else. But let's be careful about saying that she's outperforming MJs career in terms of sales. We're comparing apples and oranges here.
 
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Sales could manipulated in the past (bulk buying purchases etc) but it depended on the record label's investment potential and was only done by the label. Nowadays, fans have multiple ways of artificially inflating sales too (I can't imagine the average person had the money to buy their favourite artists album 20 times back in the day, but they can certainly stream it on Spotify countless times, watch YouTube videos of it which count towards the data countless times etc).
Fans nowadays cannot artificially inflate sales by streaming a song on Spotify countless times, or by watching a YouTube video of it countless times.

Both Spotify and YouTube have implemented ways to prevent that from happening.

A Spotify stream, or a YouTube view (of the song) have to be organic in order to count towards the data of the song.

For example, you cannot generate views on a YouTube video by just watching or refreshing the page (of that video) repeatedly, because YouTube will identify that as a way of spam and it will not record these views or refreshes as real views for the song that count towards the data of the song.
 

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Does anyone have any logical or concrete reason as to why The Ultimate Collection is NOT available on Spotify in Europe? Why?

They have a useless low quality Manila 1996 concert audio, they have Number Ones, Essential Michael Jackson, This is it, all the repacked ones with a couple of bonus songs.

But The Ultimate Collection with tons of bonus songs? No, why should they include that..... To me, this is just another fact as to how The Estate doesn't care to make MJ look the best as possible. It's careless
It's not available on American Spotify either, which is a shame. For a while, they had it up there, but with all of the "new" songs blacked out- even the slightly extended version of You Are Not Alone for some reason.

I think in situations like these, it's ultimately the label's choice as to what they put on streaming services. Also, I'm pretty sure that Manilla 1996 album is unauthorized, so Sony USA can just immediately take that down if some random person tries to upload that to Spotify.
 

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I'm responding to this late so I'm sorry, but I was watching something recently that exposed a lot of music industry secrets.

The takeaway was - you can't compare current artists' record sales to historical ones. Ever notice how a lot of records are suddenly being broken since streaming was a thing?

Turns out the way a "sale" is recorded is so vague. Streams are counted, but a lot of fanbases are manipulating figures by creating playlists and letting them run on and artificially inflating them. Then you have things like YouTube ads that contain the song that are played for over 10 seconds being counted as a sale. Then you have YouTube views (a FREE service, don't forget) counting in with sales figures. You have streams which can be listened to for free, as opposed to having to pay for a physical version back in the day. You have sales being attached to merchandise purchases (in the small print of merchandise purchased from an artist it will say it includes the sale of an album and includes a QR code that can be used to download it. This code doesn't even have to be physical provided, it can just state that). There's a lot of shady dealings.

Sales could manipulated in the past (bulk buying purchases etc) but it depended on the record label's investment potential and was only done by the label. Nowadays, fans have multiple ways of artificially inflating sales too (I can't imagine the average person had the money to buy their favourite artists album 20 times back in the day, but they can certainly stream it on Spotify countless times, watch YouTube videos of it which count towards the data countless times etc).

Lastly, Adele's "3 million in one week" record was recognized by Nielsen, who started tracking this in 1991. They state that this the largest first weeks sales SINCE they started recording these figures. Which invalidates anything released before 1991. The albums of Michael's that could fairly stand against this were recorded before Nielsen tracked this data.

Long story short - I think Adele is as great as everyone else. But let's be careful about saying that she's outperforming MJs career in terms of sales. We're comparing apples and oranges here.
Of course. Trust me, I’m not someone to say that contemporary artists are comparable to those who had to rely entirely on physical sales. I just had to note that Adele is a commercial force, and to release anything in her shadow almost guarantees disaster. I’d rather them finally get MJ another #1 album.
 

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It's not available on American Spotify either, which is a shame. For a while, they had it up there, but with all of the "new" songs blacked out- even the slightly extended version of You Are Not Alone for some reason.

I think in situations like these, it's ultimately the label's choice as to what they put on streaming services. Also, I'm pretty sure that Manilla 1996 album is unauthorized, so Sony USA can just immediately take that down if some random person tries to upload that to Spotify.
It makes zero sense.

Imagine them trying to scoop up more unreleased music for future releases (they are even complaining about there not being much left, which is a total lie), and at the same time you have around 14-15 songs in total on all the 4 TUC CDs that are pretty much not available on any other release, hidden from the "public", not included on the most popular music streaming services.

Some even some of the strongest non-studio album songs MJ did (We've Had Enough, Cheater, On The Line)

Ease On Down The Road
You Can't Win
Sunset Driver
State of Shock
We Are The World Demo
Cheater
Monkey Business
Someone Put Your Hand Out
On The Line
Fall Again
In The Back
Beautiful Girl
We've Had Enough

Their incompetence never ceases to amaze me and it continues to fuel my frustration. There are absolutely zero excuses to not include this collection on Spotify. It's also not on iTunes in Europe as far as I know. I can't speak for America. I don't care if some contract out there forbids them to put it there. Fix it, pronto.
 

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I wish it was there but they might want people to buy The Ultimate Collection and not listen it free on Spotify.
 

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I wish it was there but they might want people to buy The Ultimate Collection and not listen it free on Spotify.
So they want people to buy The Ultimate Collection, but not all of the other albums, singles, compilations, etc. that are on the streaming services? Come on, think for a second here. You're just making an illogical excuse on their behalf.

Also, not everyone is listening for "free" on Spotify. I, and everyone else that I know, pay for subscription. I also own TUC physically among with the whole discography x2 and whatnot.

However, in this day and age, we shouldn't have to rip our CDs and put it on the phone if they are official releases from the biggest music start to have ever walked this earth.

It's ridiculous
 
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