New MJ content (Possibility)

SmoothCriminal1995

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I just heard the new Weeknd album, bit underwhelmed if I'm honest but I don't have much expectations for him because his voice isn't as powerful as Michael's and his lyrics aren't resonant or memorable. Michael's lyrics were honest and sincere, the Weeknd always comes off as he's trying to hard to be cool

Anyway, the album is called Dawn FM and there's a radio jingle that plays throughout it (103.5 Dawn FM) and that reminded me of the unreleased cue from Captain EO (starlight sun)


I remember late last year The Weeknd shared a poster of Captain EO as he was working at Westlake Studios and with Quincy (he narrates on the album) and we fans thought an unreleased collaboration was coming. I wonder if the short film and title Captain EO inspired him?
Eos in Greek mythology was the Goddess of dawn, that's where the name Captain Eo came from. That's what he was hinting at.
 

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Couldn't disagree more. MJ was only recently re-added to radio in Poland was it? The tide is turning.

Dangerous charted at its highest position since 1993 and Thriller was number ONE on Apple Music this year, giving it its highest chart position since 1984. MJ also now has the longest charting solo album in the history of England with Number Ones too. This all happened this year.

MJ One is sold out every day and 'MJ' is opening in New York to rave reviews and sell outs.

It's easy to be negative. Many people still whine about LN and it had an impact. But we are nearly 3 years on. Thriller is one of the biggest selling albums of the year. MJ is far from cancelled.
ABSOLUTELY. Beyond that, LN actually WAS debunked on social media and some media, so that narrative is spreading every day, I see it myself. There’s a lot of younger generation becoming fans and dismissing LN, which is amazing to watch. And, God, do I hope there’s a LN2 featuring fucking Gavin Arvizo. That case was so weak and absurd that Reed would 100% be overextending himself further than he already has. To take a case where Jackson was ACQUITTED and to try to relitigate it will NOT go over well, even in the US and UK, which is the prime tabloid markets. We are also years removed from the peak of MeToo, which is what allowed LN to have its initial run unchecked in the first place. Running garbage focused on the Arvizo family will be more likely to undermine his efforts on the first than win over anyone new. I mean at some point it just becomes obvious, even to people unwilling to research.
 

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We are also years removed from the peak of MeToo

Depends where you live, a HUGE scandal broke out in Holland featuring the biggest popstar the Dutch have ever had.

Anyway you guys can be positive as much as you like, I personally can’t be positive as long as his name isn’t cleared. For all the positives you can find negatives as well. How often do you still hear people in the media or around you talking positively about MJ? How often do his songs get covered on talent shows? How often do you hear his music being used for ads? How often is he name checked positively on tv or films? To me it feels like he is slowly being erased from conscience despite exposure on radio. Remember 2009 when everybody and their dog were so positive and empathic, that is all gone. The spectre of pedophilia always looms no matter how often his songs get played on the radio and that happens because his name isn’t cleared and probably never will, that is the damage that has been done to Michael and his family and friends.
 
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Depends where you live, a HUGE scandal broke out in Holland featuring the biggest popstar the Dutch have ever had.

Anyway you guys can be positive as much as you like, I personally can’t be positive as long as his name isn’t cleared. For all the positives you can find negatives as well. How often do you still hear people in the media or around you talking positively about MJ? How often do his songs get covered on talent shows? How often do you hear his music being used for ads? How often is he name checked positively on tv or films? To me it feels like he is slowly being erased from conscience despite exposure on radio. Remember 2009 when everybody and their dog were so positive and empathic, that is all gone. The spectre of pedophilia always looms no matter how often his songs get played on the radio and that happens because his name isn’t cleared and probably never will, that is the damage that has been done to Michael and his family and friends.
Why would the news mention Michael Jackson? He’s been dead for over 12 years…

You gotta accept he will slowly fade over time because that’s what happens. It ain’t the 80s anymore. Still, it’s 12 years after his death, and he is STILL number 1 on YouGov’s fame scale for musicians and top 10 in popularity, and that’s in the US, which has always, along with UK, been harshest on him. That’s unprecedented.

He has TikTok videos with over 10, 25, 50, 100 million views. He’s been dead for over 12 years. That is AMAZING. Far more people will see him on these platforms than NCIS or whatever. He’s doing just fine. Honestly, I gotta wonder if there’s some subtle trolling going on here, there’s a constant theme.
 

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Honestly, I gotta wonder if there’s some subtle trolling going on here, there’s a constant theme.
No need to bring this up, I didn’t sign up to an MJ forum to seek confrontations.
I have my opinion , you have yours, we both shared and lets leave it at that.
 

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I also wonder why a fan would think that Michael is supposed to be as popular as he was in the 80s. It’s unrealistic and it’s insulting. Michael is STILL more popular than ANY of his PEERS-dead or alive. I wonder if some of you are living in a cave and don’t realize what you are saying. Even with all the manipulated bull@#$ from the media, Michael still outsells every single one of his peers. He is streamed more than every single one of his peers. He has more You Tube subscribers than every one of his peers and even more than some of the newer stars. He is discussed with reverence in most circles and on social media. My question is where do YOU live? I hear Michael at least two or three times a day, EVERY day on the radio where I live. Since his death, he has gained MILLIONS and MILLIONS of NEW fans. His albums are STILL outselling EVERY ONE of his peers. The media TRIED to cancel Michael, they have failed. Some in the industry have TRIED to diminish his legacy, they have failed. It seems as if SOME of you WANT Michael to be cancelled. However, that has NOT happened. Seriously, some of you need to think twice about being a fan because your constant negativity is downright sickening and depressing. Btw, if what I am saying makes a person uncomfortable then so be it. It is what it is and I am fed up with it.
 

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Why would the news mention Michael Jackson? He’s been dead for over 12 years…

You gotta accept he will slowly fade over time because that’s what happens. It ain’t the 80s anymore. Still, it’s 12 years after his death, and he is STILL number 1 on YouGov’s fame scale for musicians and top 10 in popularity, and that’s in the US, which has always, along with UK, been harshest on him. That’s unprecedented.

He has TikTok videos with over 10, 25, 50, 100 million views. He’s been dead for over 12 years. That is AMAZING. Far more people will see him on these platforms than NCIS or whatever. He’s doing just fine. Honestly, I gotta wonder if there’s some subtle trolling going on here, there’s a constant theme.

👏👏👏👏👏100% AGREE!!
 

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I just heard the new Weeknd album, bit underwhelmed if I'm honest but I don't have much expectations for him because his voice isn't as powerful as Michael's and his lyrics aren't resonant or memorable. Michael's lyrics were honest and sincere, the Weeknd always comes off as he's trying to hard to be cool

Anyway, the album is called Dawn FM and there's a radio jingle that plays throughout it (103.5 Dawn FM) and that reminded me of the unreleased cue from Captain EO (starlight sun)


I remember late last year The Weeknd shared a poster of Captain EO as he was working at Westlake Studios and with Quincy (he narrates on the album) and we fans thought an unreleased collaboration was coming. I wonder if the short film and title Captain EO inspired him?
Eos in Greek mythology was the Goddess of dawn, that's where the name Captain Eo came from. That's what he was hinting at.

Yeah I wasn't too impressed either. Take My Breath seems to be the only one I like from that album. It's gonna be one of those albums I'm going to need to listen to several times to see if I really like it or not. The concept of it being a radio station is interesting....and I love that Jim Carey is featured on it.

Compared to his other big hits, especially his last handful of hits the last 2 or 3 years (Blinding Lights, Heartless, Save Your Tears), it's definitely underwhelming.
 

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GIVE US A SIGN! It’s been too long.. unless there’s nothing in the works? Who knows! Maybe they’re planning a release to coincide with the movie.
 

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In light of the astounding success of the Broadway show, I’m honestly (kind of) okay with the lack of material. MJ’s career has been emphasized and highlighted in incredible ways over the past couple years, and that’s what’s important. Hopefully we get something soon, but I’d rather MJ’s posthumous career stay on this track than start down Prince’s or Bowie’s.
 

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An astounding success in the Broadway Show world... If I hadn't made an account here I wouldn't even know it happened.

I can only say I wish I was a prince fan, what treats they get served! All we get served is allegations by backstabbing pricks, media coverage that is a downright insult to the profession and full blown silence from the Estate, oh yes and a piece of chalk, can't forget that awesome gesture.
 

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I can only say I wish I was a prince fan, what treats they get served! All we get served is allegations by backstabbing pricks, media coverage that is a downright insult to the profession and full blown silence from the Estate, oh yes and a piece of chalk, can't forget that awesome gesture.
Prince fans would disagree, as plenty of them aren't happy with his estate. I haven't kept abreast of the conversation, but a recent Variety article put it into perspective, mainly the following quote:

"While the estate has released several expertly curated reissues and compilations of his music, it has done so at a significantly slower pace than Bob Dylan’s or David Bowie’s catalogs — and multiple opportunities beyond recorded music, from musicals to biopics to clothing lines to destination Las Vegas shows, have remained unrealized thus far."

Think about it. Other than the constant reissues, what exactly has Prince's estate done to expand or preserve his legacy? Nothing. MJ's estate, meanwhile, oversaw three documentaries, two multiplatinum albums, a worldwide Cirque du Soleil tour, a Pepsi collaboration, a best-selling Vegas residency, a record-setting Top 10 single, an animated Halloween special, showcases at the Venice Film Festival and Sundance, and a London art exhibit. And if you compare the posthumous data between the two (e.g., streaming numbers, yearly earnings, social media mentions, music charts), MJ continues to outpace Prince by miles — even though there's a nearly six-year gap between their respective deaths.

I'm not saying the MJ estate has done a stellar job. They haven't. But MJ fans who act like the Prince estate is the gold standard solely because they raid the vault on a regular basis make me laugh.
 

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I can only say I wish I was a prince fan, what treats they get served! All we get served is allegations by backstabbing pricks, media coverage that is a downright insult to the profession and full blown silence from the Estate, oh yes and a piece of chalk, can't forget that awesome gesture.
Funny how you say that because despite the many releases, Prince fans aren’t happy with his estate. I know that because I’m a frequent visitor of Prince.org. His fans are always complaining about lack of releases, the focus on 80s material, price of anniversary editions. Things may look rosy from the outside, but if you a part of the Prince fandom, you will realise that fans aren’t happy with Prince’s estate.

I think Michael fans need to stop comparing his posthumous releases to Prince’s posthumous releases. Prince left behind literal unreleased albums in his vault. Michael didn’t and a lot of Michael’s unreleased material is all over the place. Michael wasn’t the most organised when it came to looking after his unreleased material. Also, Prince’s estate don’t have to deal with defending Michael’s name. I don’t think people realise how hard it is to be an estate of an artist who has been accused of something as serious and disgusting as child molestation charges, especially in this day and age of #MeToo era. I have no doubt that leaving neverland put a lot of plans on hold, in regards to release of new music.

I am a Prince fan but I can safely say that 90% of his posthumous stuff is very average. Give me Michael (even with three fake songs), Xscape, Bad 25 over any posthumous Prince material. Despite the many challenges that Michael’s estate have to face and despite them messing up on numerous occasions, I wouldn’t swap any of Prince’s posthumous releases for Michael’s.
 

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I’m a fan but I have no idea about half the things you mentioned @AlwaysThere . What 3 documentaries were released? What is that LasVegas thing? Pepsi deal? Showcases at film festivals, what was shown?

From a purely egotistical stand point I would still prefer yearly releases of old material over anything else. But in terms of preserving legacy maybe they’re doing a decent job, I have no opinion on that. For me it is purely about music and concerts, I’m a consumer, I don’t really care much about legacy, his legacy is set and then tarnished, there is nothing to change that.

PS I don’t buy that claim that prince has 1000s of unreleased tracks in the vault, MJ supposedly had hundreds too but that turned out to be false as well. It is just hype.
 
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I think it'd be nice if we got a demo of a track from an album or even a work tape like the demo they released for Beat It on This Is It disc 2. Doesn't have to be a big release but just something little for the fans

Thankfully we have great people on this forum sharing cool new stuff for us
 

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I’m a fan but I have no idea about half the things you mentioned @AlwaysThere . What 3 documentaries were released? What is that LasVegas thing? Pepsi deal? Showcases at film festivals, what was shown?
The documentaries were (1) Michael Jackson's This Is It, which became (and still holds the record as) the highest-grossing documentary/concert film in history; (2) Bad 25, which was showcased at the Venice International Film Festival and broadcast on TV and (3) Michael Jackson's Journey from Motown to Off the Wall, which premiered at the Sundance Film Festival and was later broadcast on the Showtime network.

The Vegas residency is Michael Jackson: One, which is another Cirque du Soleil collaboration and is one of the city's most successful shows.

The Pepsi deal took place in 2012, simultaneous with the release of Bad 25. One billion Pepsi cans featuring MJ's silhouette were launched worldwide, which may or may not be a Guinness world record. (It was never pursued to my knowledge.)

The film festival showcases were in 2012 (Bad 25 @ Venice), 2016 (Journey from Motown to Off the Wall @ Sundance), and 2017 (Thriller 3D in 4K @ Sundance). All were widely publicized and were highly acclaimed by critics and those in attendance.

None of these were under-the-radar projects either; they were widely publicized and discussed, especially the still-in-production One.
 

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Oh ok well I’ve seen those. So discounting the broadway show, it has been silent since 2017...
We can’t expect the movie for another 2 years either probably.

It’s about time something happens imo…

thanks for the detailed post btw!
 
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