Randall Sullivan's book "Untouchable"

la_cienega

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According to the autopsy report, Michael had his nose in tact.

According to the autopsy report Michael had vitiligo.

He uses Adrian McManus, one of the proven liars and thieves from the 2005 trial as a source for the nose.

Fans need to go to Amazon and start writing reviews correcting all the crap he's printed so far:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080211962X/ref=cm_cr_mts_prod_img

People shouldn't be allowed to get away with easily disproven junk.

He also has a Facebook page set up for the book:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Untouchable-by-Randall-Sullivan/129002437250309?ref=ts&fref=ts
 

morinen

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It's all very sad. We need to vote it down.
If I buy it after all, I'll post a PDF here, so people can read it and write honest reviews.
 

Kingofpop4ever3000

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This makes me sick to my stomach. And along with everything else in the New York Times article, I also can't believe that after the autopsy report stated for a fact that Michael had vitiligo, the media are still pushing that "skin-bleaching" mess.
 
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Billie Jean 78

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I'd appreciate it if people who are familier with details of these stories give an opinion about the credibility of the information in the article.

Somehow I doubt the story about the prosthetic noses, but I could very well imagine the part about Michael's family be true - him avoiding to meet his siblings, not wanting to do anything with them. This was really so sad to read. No wonder if all Michael was to them was... an open bank account.
 

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I find that Amazon review similar to the writing style of Sullivan. Either it is him, or some person who likes tabloid trash. I only hope many fans will not buy yet another attack book against Michael, because it is portrayed as showing up Michael's family and those around him, but who really comes under attack here is Michael. If you doubt it look at the way Michael is described in the little information we have so far.

When was Michael obsessed with money as this review states. It was the people around him who were after his money. Oh and here is the typical ideas about his sexuality--"he was sexually stunted." It does not matter how many people say Michael had sexual relationships, they will always write their opinions showing Michael as a man who was either afraid of sex, did not like it, remained a virgin way into the 90s, loved only boys--they can't make up their minds.

What is stunning is that this guy was an editor.

The thing is there is so much false information mixed up with some truth, that it takes a long time to respond to the falsehoods. I grew up with Michael and believe me there was no lightening of his complexion in the 70's--where did Sullivan get this one from? Too many things are made up, and we have only seen some excerpts. Gee, even Roger is mad, but to me they are birds of a feather.
 
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Petrarose

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I've read this story about Michael broking his nose in a fall many times and always wondered if it's true or not. Can anyone confirm?

I remember reading way back when that Michael did have a nose job. This was around the late70s. He was practicing and fell and damaged his nose, so he had to get a second one. Now whether this was true or not I do not know, but I do remember looking at him around when he was about 17 and noticing that his nose was slightly different, so again Sullivan is wrong. Michael did not have his first nose job in 1980.

Then, he talks about how this guy said Michael could not find his room and look at what conclusions he made with this. It is like everything Michael does and say has to be analyzed. So if I cannot find my hotel room it means that I cannot take care of my daily life? I don't know about Sullivan and his source, but I have been to some of the hotels where Michael stayed, and believe me it is like a maze when you get upstairs. I remember at the Ballagio having to walk back and forth on my floor looking for my room the first time I left it. I had a stupid look on my face as I tried to read the numbers placed on signs and still I had to back track trying to find my room. An older couple saw me, and the woman said, "you look just how I look when I am trying to find my room." I had to laugh, but finally found it and I still do not know how. So obviously what happened to Michael could happen to anyone, especially if you do not have your key with the number on it. It seems he was trying to remember from memory and all the guy had to say the first time Michael was lost, was hey your number is XYZ.
 
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Nathy MJ

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I remember reading way back when that Michael did have a nose job. This was around the late70s. He was practicing and fell and damaged his nose, so he had to get a second one. Now whether this was true or not I do not know, but I do remember looking at him around when he was about 17 and noticing that his nose was slightly different, so again Sullivan is wrong. Michael did not have his first nose job in 1980.

Then, he talks about how this guy said Michael could not find his room and look at what conclusions he made with this. It is like everything Michael does and say has to be analyzed. So if I cannot find my hotel room it means that I cannot take care of my daily life? I don't know about Sullivan and his source, but I have been to some of the hotels where Michael stayed, and believe me it is like a maze when you get upstairs. I remember at the Ballagio having to walk back and forth on my floor looking for my room the first time I left it. I had a stupid look on my face as I tried to read the numbers placed on signs and still I had to back track trying to find my room. An older couple saw me, and the woman said, "you look just how I look when I am trying to find my room." I had to laugh, but finally found it and I still do not know how. So obviously what happened to Michael could happen to anyone, especially if you do not have your key with the number on it. It seems he was trying to remember from memory and all the guy had to say the first time Michael was lost, was hey your number is XYZ.

Yes, I remember reading about this story that Michael was practicing and fell and broke his nose from a pretty much credible source, but don't remember which one.

And Sullivan's source for this hotel room story is Marc Schaffel. A very credible person don't you think?
 

StellaJackson

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Another piece of trash book. Don't waste your time on it. And Roger Friedman is no better.
 

HIStory

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And Sullivan's source for this hotel room story is Marc Schaffel. A very credible person don't you think?

Schaffel? "Very credible"?????? No!

Back in 2006 Schaffel made insinuations that Michael was a pedo, just to try to make him settle with him in a court case. I hope you don't consider such a person very credible.
 

Sefra and Sue

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I don't understand the fans who want to believe only in parts about his family :ph34r: : Blink:
I'm not a fan of them, but not worth giving credibility to excerpts from this book just because you do not like the Jacksons, from what I read here this book is based on pure BS and strongly believe that not only in the passages that are about Michael.

this double standard of not believe tabloids or sensationalist journalism only when it comes to Michael is very damaging! "believe when it is convenient to believe!" OMG :unsure:
 

la_cienega

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^ The only parts about the Jacksons I believe comes from Katherine's lawyer Ribera, who's had accurate info about the Jacksons over this summer.

All the other stuff seems obviously from Schaffel and people like that, nobody I'd ever give any mind to even if they said Mike had vitiligo, was innocent, blah blah, the only kind of crap I'd believe from them would be their silence. I imagine the anonymous unidentified sources he has for some things are even worse.

And I found it amazing Randall would use that TMZ source about Paris/Janet fighting, even when both of them had ages ago put that to rest. It shows he just liked the trashiness of it all too much to resist, which speaks volumes about the rest of his stuff.
 

la_cienega

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And more:

Michael Jackson
Fought Mark Wahlberg
Over 9/11 Escape Jet


Whoever is more famous, gets the private jet ... so said Sony, when Michael Jackson and Mark Wahlberg came to verbal blows over who could use the record label's ride to escape the aftermath of 9/11 -- and MJ won.

According to a new book called "Untouchable" by Randall Sullivan ... Michael, his kids and several relatives hightailed it to White Plains, NY a few days after the Twin Towers were hit in order to catch a private plane back to L.A.

But according to Sullivan, when M.J. arrived he was confronted by Mark Wahlberg and HIS entourage ... who were also waiting to use Sony's sweet ride.

Sullivan says the duo exchanged verbal blows over who got the plane ... until Sony honchos sent word down that M.J. (as the bigger celeb) was the victor.

Sullivan says Jackson eventually changed his mind at the last minute and wanted to get to L.A. by bus ... so his entourage flew without him. The book claims Jackson then changed his mind again and sent his mother and some relatives on the bus -- and Sony was forced to send a second plane.

The moral of the story is to work for Sony ... they had TWO planes!!!

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/11/11/michae...#ixzz2BxYaK9uk

Mark Wahlberg
Michael Jackson, 9/11
Plane Story Is BS

EXCLUSIVE
It's an amazing story -- Michael Jackson and Mark Wahlberg fighting over a private plane in the days after 9/11. The only problem ... IT'S JUST NOT TRUE ... this according to sources close to Wahlberg.

A new book, entitled "Untouchable," recounts the tale of MJ and MW both jockeying for a Sony private jet. Sony eventually let MJ have it, claims the book.

But sources close to Wahlberg tell TMZ the whole thing is a work of fiction. We're told Mark had no need for a plane from Sony to fly back to Los Angeles because he had his own.
 

Petrarose

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Yes, I remember reading about this story that Michael was practicing and fell and broke his nose from a pretty much credible source, but don't remember which one.

And Sullivan's source for this hotel room story is Marc Schaffel. A very credible person don't you think?

It is just the way that Sullivan analyzed the incident to form a conclusion that irritates me, since anyone who does not have a key to the room will be lost. Because Michael is lost does not mean he cannot handle his life. That is my point, not whether the source is credible. Anyway I do not know why I am irritated, since I should know that they will take any simple incident and turn it into something to show how Michael was psychologically & socially lacking.
 

Petrarose

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Michael's first nose job was either in late 1978 or early 1979. Not 1980. The "nose jar" story is from Adrian McManus, someone who Michael sued in the 90s and has even been caught stealing from her own young nieces and nephews.

He says Michael moved into Neverland in 1990, Michael bought Neverland in 1987 and moved in in early 1988.


Roger Friedman is embarrassing himself trying to show Randall up:

All these leeches and fantasy fiction writers really are living it up.


^^I agree with your whole post. The nose was done in the 70's initially and the 2nd one was done because of an injury.

If we go through that book with a fine tooth comb we will find several sensationalized untruths. It could be a college thesis to read each "fact" and make notes next to it to show the reader what the actual story is.

About Roger, well they are all from the same cloth. Roger is trying to show up Sullivan and then laments that Sullivan did not talk to Brown. Is Roger on crack? They are all the same: Roger, Sullivan Brown, Jones, Jermaine. You can also add Gest and Schaffel to that list. It is just a question of which of the worst is the less harmful.

As we said there is truth about the incidents he writes about like issues surrounding MSG, Michael having surgery, people searching his home, but the problem is that the details are filled with lies and written in a manner to show up everyone in the book as greedy, psychos, etc., including Michael. We have only seen excerpts for the book, so can you imagine how much more junk the 700 pages have in them!!

They are beginning to cut each other's throats trying to see who could write the worst story about Michael.
If I had twitter I would tweet Roger over and over to take Sullivan to court if he feels Sullivan ripped off his story and stop fighting on the computer. They are all a bunch of cowards. How brave it is to write a bunch of lies after the person is no longer here to defend himself. One wonders why Sullivan did not write this book before 09.

OPPs: Sorry for double post
 

Kingofpop4ever3000

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I am no fan of the Jacksons. But some of the stuff about them in that book sounds like garbage to me. Stories that were debunked a long time ago are suddenly re-appearing in the book as if they are fact. The whole thing is an absolute mess from top to bottom. If I were the Jacksons, I would waste no time in filing a big fat lawsuit. The Jacksons would of course say that the book is full of lies if they were to release a statement. So they need to let the public know the truth about themselves and take this trash-fest collection book business to court because everything will be made public sooner or later via the media. If the Jacksons ignore this, it's not going to go away. It will undoubtedly get much worse, in my opinion.
 

Petrarose

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^^ So now we have the friends of Mark Wahlberg saying the story is BS. OK Wahlberg join all the others who were maligned in this book and let's go to court. That is the only way to deal with the Sullivans. Of course he will claim innocence and say based on the Shield he cannot say who his source is and it is not his fault if a source told him it was the truth. Hopefully we will have 150 people end up in a class action against Sullivan and have him pay settlements. That would be great since he may end up with only $8.50.

King of Pop By the end of the week more people will show up saying it is all lies.
 

ivy

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I have the book and reading it. It's such a crappy book filled with mistakes. He calls Aldo Cascio as Eddie all through the book. He says TJ has 3 sons, he doesn't. Has Mark Lester's paternity claims, a lot of talk about plastic surgery, says Michael is a virgin and so on. This is not a good book for anyone.
 

shelly_webster

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What did he say about the allegations? I am just curious.
Does he speak about Franck Branca?
 
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Nathy MJ

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Schaffel? "Very credible"?????? No!

Back in 2006 Schaffel made insinuations that Michael was a pedo, just to try to make him settle with him in a court case. I hope you don't consider such a person very credible.

No lol. I should have made clear that I was being sarcastic. Sorry.
 

Petrarose

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Well if Ivy has it and is reading it, I am hoping less fans buy it because Ivy will surely highlight the details.

They really need to work on that law to protect the dead.
 

morinen

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Schaffel? "Very credible"?????? No!

Back in 2006 Schaffel made insinuations that Michael was a pedo, just to try to make him settle with him in a court case. I hope you don't consider such a person very credible.

Do you have a link or anything where he said that? I never heard him speaking bad of Michael. Neither have I heard him making things up. His story here in the first chapter is pretty much aligned with what Wiesner wrote in his book. I don't see any screaming lies (except that he mistakes Aldo for Eddie, but he could have forgotten - too many kids in the Cascio family, I don't blame him).

I don't exactly know what to think of Schaffel. I know he was a porn director and he sued Michael at one point, but as far as I understand, Michael really owed him money. It's unfortunate that it came down to a lawsuit, but it wasn't all Schaffel's fault, let's put it that way. And in the end, Schaffel did a lot of good things for Michael: What More Can I Give, Take II, PHM and then MJ Commemorated which was a decent tribute. Actually, if we look back, 3 out of 6 documentaries that have been made about Michael (featuring Michael) by present moment were done by Schaffel, and all three were good for Michael and appreciated by fans. So why do fans so wholeheartedly dislike him?

On a different note, his memories of the Bashir documentary and November 18 are heartbreaking :(
 
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morinen

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Thanks, respect77, I now vaguely recall that story. But correct me if I'm wrong, I think Schaffel only claimed that he delivered money to someone in Argentina, and he didn't say what it was for (other than it being a private matter). The insinuation about payoff was made by the press. Even if he completely made that payment up, it wasn't necessarily to suggest that Michael was a pedophile - he may have done it just to demand more money. And if the whole story about Michael knowing about his past and pretending like he didn't is true (which seems likely), Schaffel was understandably hurt and fired back. Plus, we don't know what exactly c?me from him and what c?me from his lawyer (which is not always the same thing).

I'm not trying to whitewash Schaffel, I'm just seeing that the mess was pretty complicated with many people involved, and although it did play out badly for Michael in the press, especially considering the criminal trial, it wasn't necessarily Schaffel's intention to destroy him or portray him as a child molester. And I've seen too many times that judging people's supposed intentions by press coverage can be misleading. I guess I'm just not comfortable with seeing people related to Michael in black and white, and for me there is a difference between, say, Diane Dimond who trashes Michael openly and absolutely cannot be trusted, and people like Schaffel, who may have been angry and stoop to low strategies at times, but in general have respect for Michael and did a number of good things for him.

Anyway, thanks for the links, they were helpful.
 
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Bubs

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Petrarose;3736484 Then said:
Marc Schaffel was his source for MJ's inability to deal with normal life:ermm:

I guess I'm not able to deal with normal life either. More than once I have "lost" my hotel room, sometimes when park my car in the shopping mall, quite ofter I cannot remember where did I parked it :smilerolleyes:

I'm not surprised if MJ could find his hotel room, he spent most of his life in hotels, and probably after a while they all look the same for his eyes. Then again, when MJ cannot find his hotel room, it is immediately seen as he cannot deal with normal life (then again, MJ didn't live normal life).
 
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HIStory

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@ morinen

"The insinuation about payoff was made by the press."

No. The insinuation was made by Schaffel and his lawyer.
Schaffel is also the source for Friedman's articles.

Schaffel badly wanted a settlement and since Michael refused he tried to pressure him into it with bad publicity. It's the same tactic that the Neverland 5 tried with Michael back in the 90s...
Why should I give Schaffel a pass on it?


"Even if he completely made that payment up, it wasn't necessarily to suggest that Michael was a pedophile - he may have done it just to demand more money."

Yeah, just like the Chandlers and Arvizos "may have done it just to demand more money". Let's have some understanding for them?

Sorry, but nothing justifies Schaffel making innuendo about Michael's sexuality. Especially considering what a sensitive issue it was for him one year after the trial.

"And if the whole story about Michael knowing about his past and pretending like he didn't is true (which seems likely), Schaffel was understandably hurt and fired back. Plus, we don't know what exactly c?me from him and what c?me from his lawyer (which is not always the same thing)."

Evan Chandler too may have been "understandably" hurt that Michael did not take his phone calls or something.

Sorry but I have no understanding for such tactics. It's not some innocent claim to imply that Michael was paying off parents of young boys left and right. (And it was not true, of course.)

I'm not trying to whitewash Schaffel, I'm just seeing that the mess was pretty complicated with many people involved, and although it did play out badly for Michael in the press, especially considering the criminal trial, it wasn't necessarily Schaffel's intention to destroy him or portray him as a child molester.


You know, Evan Chandler's intention was not necessarily to destroy Michael either. His primary goal was getting money. But because he did not, he destroyed Michael and portrayed him as a child molester. Again, how can one say let's have some understanding for people who claimed or insinuated that Michael molested children? Be it Evan or Marc Schaffel? And I don't care about their "reasons". To me nothing justifies such a lie, sorry!

I guess I'm just not comfortable with seeing people related to Michael in black and white, and for me there is a difference between, say, Diane Dimond who trashes Michael openly and absolutely cannot be trusted, and people like Schaffel, who may have been angry and stoop to low strategies at times, but in general have respect for Michael and did a number of good things for him.


Seeing people black and white? Well, I acknowledge that his documentary on Michael was a good documentary. Perhapsh he had regrets after Michael's death. Perhaps he just wanted to jump on the bandwagon that the world now loved Michael again. That does not change my opinion on him.

It seems to me we have different sensitivities about people who make allegations or insinuations about Michael and his relationship with children. The other day you defended that Peter Pan book which also made pretty bad innuendo about Michael's sexuality/relationship to children in one chapter. You defended that book because you said the rest of the book is good. I said in that thread and I will say it again: no matter how great the rest of the book is, I will NEVER compromise about people/books etc. which make allegations/innuendo about Michael's relationship with children. It's not "black or white" thinking. It's just something I won't let people get away with. The allegations are the worst that happened to Michael. They made his life hell. They stained his legacy. There are still people out there who mock him for something he did not do and people who refuse to listen to his music because they think he was a child molester. How could I then say: "let's turn a blind eye on what this author implied about Michael's sexuality because she said nice things about him as an artist"? Sorry, but I won't. Same with Schaffel. Just because he made a nice docu on MJ after his death (whether out of regret or out of jumping on a bandwagon) I won't consider him suddenly a good and trustworthy guy.

And even besides this thing, I don't think the good he did for Michael outweighs the bad. He ripped him off financially (some of that came out during that 2006 trial) and IMO he, Wiesner and Koinitzer were a bad influence on Michael at the beginning of the 2000s and a lot of his business and PR problems at the time were because he relied on these guys as his advisors.
 
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8701girl

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I too will never understand or have any compassion for those who falsely accused michael - NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL!
 

Bubs

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Beginning of the book, from Amazon sample:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?cb4vgam9va3x8gb

The whole ebook is out on Tuesday.


He wrote Trudy Green told to M Jthat he needs to get mould made of his face for You Rock My World video! Crap!
Wasn't it Frank Cascio in his book who said that Michael was very upset that John McClain suggested such a thing to him?
 
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ivy

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Schaffel is also the one that released the Anti-semite recordings. And as for the lawsuit between then they found out that Michael own Schaffel money but they also determined that Schaffel also scammed Michael.
 

Nathy MJ

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Later in court it turned out that the story about $300,000 had no basis in reality. He clearly made this claim, as well as making insinuations about Michael's sexuality to try to extort Michael, put pressure on him and make him settle with him.

For what Michael used the $300,000? I remember that Schaffel did not have the receipts for this transaction, this can mean that Schaffel could have used the $300,000 for his own expenses without Michael ever knowing.
 

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I have the book and reading it. It's such a crappy book filled with mistakes. He calls Aldo Cascio as Eddie all through the book. He says TJ has 3 sons, he doesn't. Has Mark Lester's paternity claims, a lot of talk about plastic surgery, says Michael is a virgin and so on. This is not a good book for anyone.

The whole fuckery in one book SMH...
 

la_cienega

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For what Michael used the $300,000? I remember that Schaffel did not have the receipts for this transaction, this can mean that Schaffel could have used the $300,000 for his own expenses without Michael ever knowing.

Schaffel implied it was to pay off a Brazilian/Argentinian family of a child he'd abused.

The forensic accountant who went through all of Schaffel's transactions found absolutely no evidence this $300,000 ever existed.

They did find out he would transfer half a million to his own account from Michael various times though.

Debbie Rowe also testified about Schaffel in 2005, saying he would brag all the time about the money he'd make off Michael, and that he had plants in the media who were selling negative stories about Michael. I know she seems "friendly" with him now, but she hung him out to dry in 2005 and exposed a lot of his crap.
 
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Bubs

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Sigh:eek:
I hope Zack's book(from Forbes) is properly researches and accurate.
 

morinen

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Sorry, but nothing justifies Schaffel making innuendo about Michael's sexuality. Especially considering what a sensitive issue it was for him one year after the trial.

Hey, I'm not saying it justifies what he said, or made it okay, or that we all should love and embrace Schaffel. I personally have no emotions toward him whatsoever - certainly no sympathy or compassion, and if someone want to hate him - it's their right. I also agree that those 3 were poor managers for Michael. What I'm saying is one can see why he said those things back then (same as one can see the reason why Chandler and Arviso turned on Michael, same as I see why that Peter Pan author had her doubts) - again, it doesn't justify them in my eyes, it's simply understanding the cause and the effect. And that gives me context for people's words and allows me - among other things - predict what can and what cannot be believed. While I wouldn't listen to what Arviso have to say today, because I know they still hold animosity towards Michael and are very likely to lie, I would give more attention to Wiesner or Schaffel because while they still tell their side of the story, it's unlikely they would badly twist or completely make up things about Michael now.

We probably read books for different reasons. Besides celebrating Michael - which not all books do - I read also for information, my goal is to understand what happened and understand each side's motives and reactions (however decent or indecent they might have been) because that gives me the full picture and allows me to see why Michael let certain people in or shut them out, and how he approached certain matters etc. Again, it doesn't mean I think everything those people said about Michael was justified. But it also doesn't mean I will automatically write off their every word as a lie.

I'm sorry, I don't want to digress from the topic anymore.
 

Bonnie Blue

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^Trying to imply mj is a pedo and an anti-semite at a time when mj's reputation in the usa was in tatters is a bit of a red flag that a friend/colleague isn't to be trusted on anything he says, even if it's some pathetic little tale about mj getting lost in a hotel coridor. And personally speaking, i do have emotions towards people who deliberately try to destroy another human being's reputation for money - i despise them, and tend to regard with huge suspicion their credibility and character.

MJ was such a vulnerable target for these type of opportunists, absolute nonsense can and was printed about him in his lifetime with complete impunity, that i find i have to be so careful of everything that is written.
 

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MARK WAHLBERG
Michael Jackson, 9/11
Plane Story Is BS
It's an amazing story -- Michael Jackson and Mark Wahlberg fighting over a private plane in the days after 9/11. The only problem ... IT'S JUST NOT TRUE ... this according to sources close to Wahlberg.


A new book, entitled "Untouchable," recounts the tale of MJ and MW both jockeying for a Sony private jet. Sony eventually let MJ have it, claims the book.


But sources close to Wahlberg tell TMZ the whole thing is a work of fiction. We're told Mark had no need for a plane from Sony to fly back to Los Angeles because he had his own.


We knew it was too good to be true.
Btw the airline were grounded for 7 days after 9/11. No matter how many airplanes Sony have they are useless. Just show how much truth in this stupid book. tired of BS
 

Bonnie Blue

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Ok, so randall believes mj wasn't a p*do, a hetrosexual, a homosexual, a bi-sexual, or asexual. He was 'presexual'?? I just googled, there's no such thing. I wonder if having a copy of 'pimps up, ho'es down' is considered pre-sexual, i really don't know.

This expert diagnosis is based on how a detailed account that jordan gave to police investigators was 'undeniably disturbing'. What detailed account? None has been ever released - jordan never gave a sworn affidavit, there's just a 'declaration' that his lawyer wrote which jordan signed and some leaked psychiatrist report which came out around the time of the bashir interview in 03. The only fact that needs to be known is that the detailed description of mj's penis jordan gave to police was wrong. MJ wasn't circumcised, jordan said he was. End of story, you can't have a 'disturbing relationship' if you don't know that vital bit of info. All that's been said about that 'match' between photos and jordan's description is the spectacularly vague claim that some vitiligo blotch was in the same relative area on the penis - and that is all down to the santa barbara district attorney, sneddon's judgement (the only person to have seen both photos and descr) - the same judgement that believed the claim that the arvizos made about mj kidnapping them in a hot air balloon to take them to brazil.

And as for the claim that mj died a virgin. How many times must a stroppy lmp insist she and mj had sex. If there was ever a need for a celeb sex tape this might be it. smh
 
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Petrarose

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Gee Morinen I see from Page 2 that you are being swayed by stories coming out of that book. It may be good to read up a lot of background on Michael's associations with Schaffel, Thome, Barak, Weisner, etc. In fact, for any name mentioned in that book, you should look up the background. Most of the information you need is in this forum in the archives anyway. We have threads on all this. By the way have you read Jones' book?

This is a time when people have to take a stance. It is not time to be swaying in the middle--sort of reminds me of Michael's "friends"--they never took a firm stance and backed him, except Chris and Elizabeth.

That report^^ from the New York Times above, sort of scorns Sullivan, but the reporter is not flattering to Michael either. He also writes like a tabloid reporter--he did not even use the correct amount paid the insurance company, but use the figure most frequently cited by the tabloids/media.

How does Sullivan know Michael died a virgin? How do they know overspending caused him to be in debt? He spent according to the money he made. It is just that business associates stole millions from Michael, swindled him, & greedy people extort money from him, which reduced the amount of money for HIS own use. Looking back I am glad that he did have those acquisition loans, because what he bought are now part of his estate and are making millions.
 
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marebear

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This book is trash and should be treated as trash.
 

Petrarose

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This book is trash and should be treated as trash.

Exactly. I cannot see why anyone would try to defend anything in this book. This book really shows the "mind" of the author, and that is a very scary thing. I am upset that he dared to mention TMez name in this book as though to give the book credibility.

Today, while I was in someone's home, someone said "oh Michael is on the news. The story will come on at 3pm." I said to myself "oh no," because we all know what that was going to be about. I have not looked, and I refuse to do so. Trash gets a lot of exposure.
 

mdiegee210

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ABC NEWS REPORT, RANDALL SULLIVAN the highly acclaimed journalisat, had been getting behind the mask of MICHAEL JACKSON. FAME DROVE MJ TO ADDICTION AND CONFUSED SEXUALITY. ABC NEWS WHAT A F/N JOKE. IN LIFE AND IN DEATH. WE SHOULD ALL GET TOGETHER AND FIGHT BACK.
 
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la_cienega

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ABC NEWS REPORT, RANDALL SULLIVAN the highly acclaimed journalisat, had been getting behind the mask of MICHAEL JACKSON. FAME DROVE MJ TO ADDICTION AND CONFUSED SEXUALITY. ABC NEWS WHAT A F/N JOKE. IN LIFE AND IN DEATH. WE SHOULD ALL GET TOGETHER AND FIGHT BACK.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...diction/story?id=17702091&page=2#.UKG4_obfVkg

He says he'll always have doubts about the allegations, that Michael slept next to dozens of kids, that Princess Diana was creeped out by him, and yes, the "presex" virgin garbage again, because apparently that's how Michael stayed creative, by being a virgin. LOL

Everyone needs to leave a 1 star review, fact checking the allegations now too.
 

Nathy MJ

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^^ This ABC article is disgusting. That's the only word I have to describe that crap.
 

marebear

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They print articles like that and then they are going to air Bad 25 on Thanksgiving? I really hope people in general will see how this book is just garbage for once.
 

morinen

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Gee Morinen I see from Page 2 that you are being swayed by stories coming out of that book. It may be good to read up a lot of background on Michael's associations with Schaffel, Thome, Barak, Weisner, etc. In fact, for any name mentioned in that book, you should look up the background. Most of the information you need is in this forum in the archives anyway. We have threads on all this. By the way have you read Jones' book?

I did read a lot on many of them, although I do forget details over time - Michael was involved in dozens of lawsuits, esp. in 2000s. I have to admit it's not the most interesting part of his life and bio for me, so over time details like those Shcaffel's comments from 2006 slip. But I also know people - German fans - who met Dieter Wiesner personally, for example, and say that he speaks highly of Michael. That when he was Michael's manager, he did bad things, but he did many good things too. Again, I don't see people as black or white. I noticed many fans on this board tend to do so.
Jones - you mean Bob Jones or Aphrodite Jones? Anyway, I read both. I didn't buy Bob Jones' book though - I accidentally saw it in the library.

I am upset that he dared to mention TMez name in this book as though to give the book credibility.

Not only he mentions it, but he interviewed him extensively for this book. Should I check Mr. Mesereau's background too? Okay, maybe that's a bad joke. Actually under the circumstances I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing that Mr. Mesereau granted him interviews. If not for him, Sullivan may have ended with very different conclusions about Michael's innocence which would have made the whole thing even worse.

And please no need to compare me with Michael's "friends" who didn't support him, that's absolutely uncalled for. Nowhere have I showed my lack of support for him. In fact, speaking of this book, my reviews are among the first on amazon and in Barnes & Noble.


By the way, those of you who have B&N accounts, please leave your reviews there as well and report 5-star reviews as irrelevant: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/untouchable-randall-sullivan/1102218787?ean=9780802119629
 

morinen

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The sad thing is we are all talking about Sullivan and nobody is talking about Lisa D Campbell's new book.

http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Jack...id=1352773313&sr=1-3&keywords=Lisa+d+Campbell

It's her third book about MJ. The King of Pop darkest hour was a good book about the Chandler allegations.

Wow, I didn't even know about it. She didn't promote it at all.
Have you read it? I sounds like a full bio. Is it well-written? I read her "KOP's darkest hour", it was very factual, but, to be honest, not very engaging for a casual reader.
 

Petrarose

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So now we have ABC, the NY Times all writing/talking about this and using the most sensationalized words to gain the viewers attention. The sad thing is all the claims Sullivan makes about Michael, the allegations, his sexuality, and about him sleeping with dozen of boys will be believed. I really cannot believe the type of society we live in when someone could write such horrific lies without any facts, and get away with it?

It is at such times, I wish I was Michael's little child so I could get my guardian to find a good lawyer & psychologist and claim a whole list of stress and psychological & mental anguish I developed from reading the book. I would begin therapy and also say the kids at school were bullying me due to the books details. I would then have my lawyer sue for all the emotional harm caused by the rantings in the book.
 

Alayasha

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If anyone's interested, there was a segment about this book tonight on ABC's Niteline. I didn't watch it so I can't provide a summary.
 

Kingofpop4ever3000

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Has the Jackson family released a statement about this book since it came out? If there was ever a time that they needed to say something, now is the time. This book is being talked about everywhere.
 

bluetopez

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OH MY GOD this is so frustrating that books like this get so much attention. He is just repeating a lot of junk over the yrs and puttin it into a so called new book. Why are so many fascinated by this in the media? I guess they love there own B.S work over the yrs and liked being talked about like Roger feldman clearly does. SMH

And I'm also gettin pretty tired of passive fans. Who are so quick to forgive or not care about those who hurt MJ in the past like LMP, Wesnier, Shaffel and so on. All because they wanna kiss MJs a$$ now that he is dead. I'm cool that some want to buy Randell's crap book to warn the rest of the B.S in it and I hope as soon as u do u get ur money back!? But, I ain't cool with those who wanna buy because they believe they will find some truth in it.
 

HIStory

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The sad thing is we are all talking about Sullivan and nobody is talking about Lisa D Campbell's new book.

http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Jackson-Complete-Story-King/dp/0988413019/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352773313&sr=1-3&keywords=Lisa+d+Campbell

It's her third book about MJ. The King of Pop darkest hour was a good book about the Chandler allegations.

Thanks for the info. I hope fans will rather buy this than Sullivan's book. If I have to choose between well-written but full of lies and not-so-well-written but true, I will take the latter any time. I'm simply fed up with lies and innuendo, no matter how well packaged and how much promoted.
 

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Wow, I didn't even know about it. She didn't promote it at all.
Have you read it? I sounds like a full bio. Is it well-written? I read her "KOP's darkest hour", it was very factual, but, to be honest, not very engaging for a casual reader.

No, I didn't read but I am sure it's good.
 

HIStory

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FAME DROVE MJ TO ADDICTION AND CONFUSED SEXUALITY.

Translation: "We are confused about MJ's sexuality so he must have been too."

Geez. This is almost surreal. I wish someone who is good with words would once write an extensive analysis of why the media behaves the way they do when it comes to MJ. That people feel the need to create a whole alternative reality about him, instead of just accepting facts. I can't believe that people in 2012 still think he died as a virgin when we have lots of facts telling otherwise. Why did Sullivan ignore what LMP said in favor of his theory that is not supported by anything? Why does the media ignore facts those don't fit into their preconcieved ideas? Maybe it's time to revise those preconcieved ideas in the face of evidence otherwise instead of desperately sticking to them, against facts.

And when will people learn that an allegation is not equal to a fact? Just because Jordan or his family claimed something, doesn't make it a fact. Perhaps Sullivan and the NY Times writer would be less "disturbed" by Jordan's allegations if they had not be so lazy and they would have actually examined the facts surrounding those false allegations...
 

Bubs

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I haven't read the book as I'm waiting Ivy's or someone else's summary of it, but what has been said about it on tabloids and TV, it seems that Sullivan has collected every bit of tabloid stories during the years and put then in one book.


And I'm also gettin pretty tired of passive fans. Who are so quick to forgive or not care about those who hurt MJ in the past like LMP, Wesnier, Shaffel and so on. All because they wanna kiss MJs a$$ now that he is dead. I'm cool that some want to buy Randell's crap book to warn the rest of the B.S in it and I hope as soon as u do u get ur money back!? But, I ain't cool with those who wanna buy because they believe they will find some truth in it.
 

8701girl

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You cant just change your mind bout hating someone then liking them whether that person is dead or not its just not right imo
 

Bubs

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I didn't mean any particular person, just general hater = ill-informed person.
Perhaps I should have chosen different word than hater.

What I was after that ill-informed person who believed tabloid stories of Michael, and maybe after his death this person might have looked deeper than tabloids and found out the truth.

You are partly right thou.
For example, I know DD is hater and she hates MJ with all she has, and will not change her mind no matter what info you post to her. Just like I will never change my mind of DD and will hate her right back:)
 

Bubs

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Ok, so randall believes mj wasn't a p*do, a hetrosexual, a homosexual, a bi-sexual, or asexual. He was 'presexual'?? I just googled, there's no such thing. I wonder if having a copy of 'pimps up, ho'es down' is considered pre-sexual, i really don't know.

After initial angry moment, I find this funny.
They are going to run out the words trying to describe Michael:D
MJ was/wasn't p*do
MJ was/wasn't heterosexual
MJ was/wasn't homosexual
MJ was/wasn't bi-sexual
MJ was/wasn't asexual
MJ was/wasn't presexual
Mj was/wasn't castrated
MJ was/wasn't virgin
MJ was/wasn't transgender

For a one man, Michael was many. What next?
 
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PoP

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I don't think I can trust that book at all. I'd just threw up on it.
 

la_cienega

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After initial angry moment, I find this funny.
They are going to run out the words trying to describe Michael:D
MJ was/wasn't p*do
MJ was/wasn't heterosexual
MJ was/wasn't homosexual
MJ was/wasn't bi-sexual
MJ was/wasn't asexual
MJ was/wasn't presexual

For a one man, Michael was many. What next?

Don't forget he's also castrated.
 

Rhilo

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After initial angry moment, I find this funny.
They are going to run out the words trying to describe Michael:D
MJ was/wasn't p*do
MJ was/wasn't heterosexual
MJ was/wasn't homosexual
MJ was/wasn't bi-sexual
MJ was/wasn't asexual
MJ was/wasn't presexual

For a one man, Michael was many. What next?


Michael was a musical genius, and trashy news sites would rather have people forget that.

I can't believe the amount of publicity this poorly researched, badly written book of fabrications is receiving. We have people denying stories from the book which involve them, including Michael's family members, but nobody to speak up for Michael. The media doesn't care whether the stuff is made-up or has been said in the media before. They know that anything weird, 'wacky' concerning MJ attracts hits.

I wish there was some law to protect the deceased from this sort of thing. It's.just.not.fair.
 

Bonnie Blue

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I read that abc interview with randall. MJ wasn't 'trying to be a hetro/homo/p*dophile'?? He was trying to be presexual??? This new writer is so ridiculous i almost wish we had jrt back.

I am just mad with him for saying that no one can be sure mj didn't molest boys and that if people are 'honest' they'll admit that - it's such a sly argument to make as we all want to be ssen as 'honest'. It means he has to believe jordan chandler with all the problems that entails (i think most people have just agreed to discount gavin), and disbelieve literally dozens of other boys. Boys who were multi-millionaires themselves like mac and julian lennon when they hung out with mj, or boys who unlike jordan actually turned up to that 3ring circus of a trial to deny that they had been abused and yet are still not believed and seen as possible victims or boys who have just always been there for mj and have consistently to this day denied anything happened. You just can't claim someone is a child molester and not have victims - the entire world knows who these alleged victims are so why doesn't randall interview them instead of wasting his time with mj's sad collection of incompetent business colleagues.
 

Bonnie Blue

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Has the Jackson family released a statement about this book since it came out? If there was ever a time that they needed to say something, now is the time. This book is being talked about everywhere.

Mrs jackson's lawyer perrry sanders is a friend of randall's and apparently introduced them and along with another lawyer, riberia, is a source for this book, so mrs j can easily make her views clear by sacking her lawyers. Let's see if she'll show where her loyalties lie.

Where did that nastly comment about diana on mj come from? I'm assuming randall knows she's dead so can't confirm or deny (unlike mark wharlberg) - i'm thinking he must have picked it up from that bob jone's butt hurt book - truely pathetic.
 

la_cienega

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I read that abc interview with randall. MJ wasn't 'trying to be a hetro/homo/p*dophile'?? He was trying to be presexual??? This new writer is so ridiculous i almost wish we had jrt back.

LOL JRT posted a message saying he had nothing to do with this, wouldn't speak about MJ anymore because he genuinely cared about MJ (lol), blah blah blah. Why would fans be seeking him out? He was our very first forerunner in the "bleached his skin in the 70s, had a prosthetic nose, was a virgin" school of thought about Michael that people still cite as fact. His sources were the same, except some worse: Bob Jones (whose book he cheered on when published), Stacy Brown, Evan Chandler.

After initial angry moment, I find this funny.
They are going to run out the words trying to describe Michael:D
MJ was/wasn't p*do
MJ was/wasn't heterosexual
MJ was/wasn't homosexual
MJ was/wasn't bi-sexual
MJ was/wasn't asexual
MJ was/wasn't presexual
Mj was/wasn't castrated

For a one man, Michael was many. What next?

^ and a virgin
and transgender

He claimed Princess Diana was creeped out by him because of Michael's desire to be with her apparently. Just to hold her hand of course, women are gross and have cooties and he is way too presexual to know what goes after that.

35 1 star reviews on Amazon... impressive.


If people are honest they'll admit that - how stupid. People LOVE this myth that the allegations are this big grey area that nobody really knows anything about. That the kids and families are buried out somewhere nobody can find them.

It's interesting that Gavin Arvizo isn't used as proof anymore though, huh.
 
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HIStory

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I read that abc interview with randall. MJ wasn't 'trying to be a hetro/homo/p*dophile'?? He was trying to be presexual??? This new writer is so ridiculous i almost wish we had jrt back.

I am just mad with him for saying that no one can be sure mj didn't molest boys and that if people are 'honest' they'll admit that - it's such a sly argument to make as we all want to be ssen as 'honest'.

Translation: "I'm too lazy to actually take an honest look into the allegations. Luckily for me, most of the media and people are just as lazy, so I can pose as "objective" about the allegations on TV."

Newsflash: Being objective does not mean sitting on the fence! Being objective means to take an honest look into evidence and make conclusions based on that. In this case when you do that it clearly leads to a "not guilty" conclusion. Objectively.
 

ivy

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LOL JRT posted a message saying he had nothing to do with this, wouldn't speak about MJ anymore because he genuinely cared about MJ (lol), blah blah blah. Why would fans be seeking him out? He was our very first forerunner in the "bleached his skin in the 70s, had a prosthetic nose, was a virgin" school of thought about Michael that people still cite as fact. His sources were the same, except some worse: Bob Jones (whose book he cheered on when published), Stacy Brown, Evan Chandler.

To be fair JRT had said that long long ago when he interviewed Lisa Marie Presley he believed that Michael and Lisa had sex. He might have believed Michael to be a virgin into his 30s but he also believed him to be really in love and in active sexual relationship with LMP as well.
 

la_cienega

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To be fair JRT had said that long long ago when he interviewed Lisa Marie Presley he believed that Michael and Lisa had sex. He might have believed Michael to be a virgin into his 30s but he also believed him to be really in love and in active sexual relationship with LMP as well.
The Lisa Marie stuff is pretty much the reason why fans defend his book.
 

ivy

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The Lisa Marie stuff is pretty much the reason why fans defend his book.

Actually I think the first version of his book (1991) is pretty good but he later suffered from his decreasing to no communication with Michael and came the speculations and personal opinions. Fans also defend JRT because he was one of the few people /journalist in 2005 who did not believe the allegations and openly said so.

So we do have terrible books out there including Sullivan, Halperin, Jones, Dimond etc. In my mind although JRT is no where near to be perfect his book is acceptable. I would recommend his book over Sullivan's any day.
 

HIStory

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Don't forget he's also castrated.

LOL. This reminds me of a blog article I read shortly after Michael's death. The author theorized that Michael was a castrato. Based on what? Well, his high voice. And she wrote a loooong article about castratos and how Michael is one of them. When then readers pointed out to her that there is a problem with her theory: not only there is not any evidence for her theory, but actually Michael's autopsy clearly shows he was not a castrato. Besides she used untrue claims as evidence for her theory, such as claiming that Michael did not have facial hair etc. People pointed out to her posting pictures that this was not true either. And so on.

The interesting thing about this story was, how despite of evidence (autopsy and others) the author still clung to her theory! It was crazy. And she tried to pose as very scientific and everything, but she just totally ignored any evidence contrary to her preconcieved ideas. Isn't it how it's always the case with Michael in the media? Evidence just does not matter for these people. They just cling to their own opinions (unsupported by evidence or even contrary to evidence) no matter what.

I kind of find this phenomenon interesting. It tells a lot about these people...
 

HIStory

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Actually I think the first version of his book (1991) is pretty good but he later suffered from his decreasing to no communication with Michael and came the speculations and personal opinions. Fans also defend JRT because he was one of the few people /journalist in 2005 who did not believe the allegations and openly said so.

So we do have terrible books out there including Sullivan, Halperin, Jones, Dimond etc. In my mind although JRT is no where near to be perfect his book is acceptable. I would recommend his book over Sullivan's any day.

Unfortunately JRT too makes innuendo in his book about the allegations. I personally would not recommend his book either. IMO he is someone trying to play for both sides: media who want insinuations that Michael was guilty, but he also wants fans to buy his book, so he is making those insinuations in a more covert way than others - but the insinuations are there. It can be VERY harmful if people believe those stories because fans recommend this book to them and so people are led to believe JRT's book is a true portrayal of Michael.
 

LastTear

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Actually I think the first version of his book (1991) is pretty good but he later suffered from his decreasing to no communication with Michael and came the speculations and personal opinions. Fans also defend JRT because he was one of the few people /journalist in 2005 who did not believe the allegations and openly said so.

So we do have terrible books out there including Sullivan, Halperin, Jones, Dimond etc. In my mind although JRT is no where near to be perfect his book is acceptable. I would recommend his book over Sullivan's any day.

Actually I thought he wrote in the '05 update that Michael's fans were frustrated with him because he wouldn't openly say he believed Michael was innocent?
 

la_cienega

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Okay, thanks, he quotes Taraborrelli for the bullcrap about Michael and Toya bleaching their skin in the 70s (Taraborrelli didn't use a named source). Scanning through and much of this early stuff is just repetitions of Magic/Madness. I knew the people on Amazon claiming Randall said otherwise were full of crap, yeah he says Michael had vitiligo/lupus, but right after it claims he bleached his skin with Toya. Confirms my suspicions those 5 star reviews are just friends and family members of Sullivan or something.

He also claims Michael thinned his lips and had problems with his racial identity, ugh. Just bullcrap. LOL he even quotes Stacy Brown about the paternity of Michael's children and about Michael hating his race, he even quotes the shit about "splaboos" from Bob Jones's bullshit book, claiming Michael would most often use that word with white boys who shared his bedroom - wow. I'm so bored of shit like this being printed over and over again.

This book is awful, no real fan could enjoy reading it without wincing and cringing.
 
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maral

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i can't believe how low a person can be to write this crap. i mean seriously, WHY would you do that?! i feel sick
 

Kingofpop4ever3000

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There needs to be a big lawsuit over this book. I know nothing really can be done for Michael. But there are other people who are getting dragged through the mud by Sullivan (Example: Mark Wahlberg). And they need to take this guy to court, in my opinion.
 
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MJTheKing

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To be fair JRT had said that long long ago when he interviewed Lisa Marie Presley he believed that Michael and Lisa had sex. He might have believed Michael to be a virgin into his 30s but he also believed him to be really in love and in active sexual relationship with LMP as well.

But he said too that Michael thought he proposed to Debbie while talking to Lisa on the phone because he was on medications, you know that's a pure crap.
 

Kingofpop4ever3000

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Another thing is I find odd is that certain media are trashing the book calling it "dreary" and other media are praising it. Why is this book getting so much attention and being touted as believable when even some of Michael's worse media critics are saying it's garbage? I don't understand this.
 
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Bonnie Blue

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Unfortunately JRT too makes innuendo in his book about the allegations. I personally would not recommend his book either. IMO he is someone trying to play for both sides: media who want insinuations that Michael was guilty, but he also wants fans to buy his book, so he is making those insinuations in a more covert way than others - but the insinuations are there. It can be VERY harmful if people believe those stories because fans recommend this book to them and so people are led to believe JRT's book is a true portrayal of Michael.

When i started to read up about mj after his death, jrt's magic and madness was one of the first things i read. It took me some time to come to the conclusion that mj was innocent because of that book. The arvizo case was pretty easy to tell it was nonsense from other sources but jordan was a different matter as jrt really used alot of evan in his telling of that story, maybe because mj never gave his side of it. You definitely got the impression that the jordan relationship was v v special and unique and that he and mj were inseparable. It was only later, i realised that mj had loads of these relationships, with whole families not just exclusively with the boys, even at the exact same time he was meant to be spending all that time exclusively with the chandlers. And it was only the chandlers who were making these allegations.

JRT was a real cheat the way he only came clean about the typeof man evan was after he had committed suicide - so judgemental about mj in his book but everyone else, lmp, evan etc got a free pass.

@morinen - thanks for the pdf.
 
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8701girl

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Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess [Threads merged]

What really ticks me off is that the jackson family are letting this fool talk crap & none of them care - its dispicable
 

bluetopez

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Re: Randall Sullivan's new book "Untouchable" Tabloid Mess [Threads merged]

I wanted to reply to this part of your post and give my take of it.
The reason for those people talking good about Michael after his death (while him being alive they talked badly of him), they might have got caught with hype when it was nearly a fashion statement to talk shite about Michael, or maybe they changed they minds of Michael. Aren't people allowed to change their minds? Isn't that what we hope people do (especially haters) when we post links and sources where to look correct info regarding MJ? What I'm trying to say, if there is an incorrect article of MJ, there are fans posting correct info and provide the links where these haters can find information if they want to learn the truth. Maybe it's not that they want to kiss MJ's ass now that he is dead, maybe they did delve into world of Michael and found they might have mis-judged MJ
Or maybe they regret what they have said in the past and try to right their wrongs?

They cannot change the past (what was said back then), but they can change the future (what will be said in the future).
I hope that is the case with at least some of these people (sometimes Roger F seems to be suffering from remorse:).

Oh Really? Oprah interview LMP continued to say many contradicting & untrue things about MJ, Shaffel is part of this New Crappy book, Wesnier who cheated MJ off a lot of money now is workin with Joe and near MJ kids. Feldman most of the time has back handed comments for MJ in many of his articles, he can't bare to make MJ look good not even a little. And is so so desperate to get credit that he uses sources like Stacey Brown so people can believe him! o_O So If they were truly regretful they would have said so already and we haven't heard non of that! So I don't see this changing of minds at all. Just more spin to the same old tired stories by the same people. Now for the general public I can see them being influence badly by some of the very people I mentioned and I'm sure they have. Because many are lazy and just believe what they hear. But, of course I would love for them to do some real research and changed there minds and I know some have. But, it's no thanks to the ones I mentioned. Especially when it comes to the 93 allegations that's for sure.

By the way about RJT. He is another looser and very a fake. First of all he likes to exaggerate his so called friendship with MJ for credibility. And I highy doubt he believed in MJ innocence. Because why praise Diane Dimond for all she has done during the 05 trial as well has say he thinks MJ will get convicted of something. I mean come on! SMH
 
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Petrarose

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Again Roger is pointing out that he wrote the trash first, probably mad that this lying author gets more tabloid coverage than his writing did. When will fools learn Oxman knows nothing about Michael. We have Bain, who did not pay Michael's taxes, which she was paid to do, as a source--who is surprised? I will be disappointed if Bashit is not a source too. How about Katherine's attorney being in cahoots with Sullivan and getting a draft of this trash. How could Katherine have an attorney who helps Sullivan disgrace her children? What could Sullivan have promised Katherine's lawyer to get this cooperation? Someone needs to give Katherine the book to read. The best thing is for the children to kidnap Katherine again and have a family discussion on what steps they should take. Vanity Fair has money and Sullivan will make some, so they should go after both. Finally, when they have an opportunity to milk someone for money and win, they remain silent. Can someone check the Arizona spa to see if the family checked in?
 

HIStory

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Another thing is I find odd is that certain media are trashing the book calling it "dreary" and other media are praising it. Why is this book getting so much attention and being touted as believable when even some of Michael's worse media critics are saying it's garbage? I don't understand this.

Connections. It's all about connections within the media. That is why Halperin's book got so much publicity, that is why this book gets so publicity. Not on merit, but because these guys are well-connected within the media and these people support each other in the media.
 
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