The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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Someone on MSN just talked to me about this and gave me a few links...i watched all these parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gY60Vg_zGI&feature=related

And while alot of weak and nonsense is being said there, some things did look abit weird to me, they always did, even before these death hoax videos. With all due respect, but i always found Paris acting alittle strange during the memorial. Clearly she wasn't in tears and my friend told me this as well...it kinda looked 'acted' . Then again...who am i to say she was acting there. The video claims she was 'playing' with her purse when one of MJ's brothers was talking, but nah....that's nonsense.

About the body moving during the helicopter footage, NAH! Not moving at all, the camera is simply moving, because the chopper is moving...i don't see a body getting up, wiggling or anything like that. What IS weird..are the 'slip ups' from many people that had worked with Michael and his family. Joe Jackson who didn't even know where MJ's body was, things that Kenny Ortega said. And that dancer from TII about a Dirty Diana rehearsal...but a rehearsal for that one was planned on june 25..not before..and much more. There's alotta strange things..did you guys watch all the parts of that video? I wonder what ya'll think about it.
 
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Yeah, some strange things indeed.
One thind really caught my attention....I don"t know the exact time Frank Dileo was interviewed but I am sure it was months later Michael was......gone.....and Frank said at one moment: " I talked to him yesterday ! " ( talking about Michael, of course) WTF?

How could someone make such a mistake ?! What do you, ppl think about such stuff?
In fact, Frank wasn"t the only one who said such a thing....
 
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zpredra5 said:
Yeah, some strange things indeed.
One thind really caught my attention....I don"t know the exact time Frank Dileo was interviewed but I am sure it was months later Michael was......gone.....and Frank said at one moment: " I talked to him yesterday ! " ( talking about Michael, of course) WTF?

How could someone make such a mistake ?! What do you, ppl think about such stuff?
In fact, Frank wasn"t the only one who said such a thing....
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You sure you saw this? Cause Frank's not stupid...if there is a hoax, which i still strongly doubt..but i always keep an open mind...and he's in on it..he wouldn't be so stupid to say this.

What you see alot in these death hoax videos is how it's weird that people still talk in the present sense....but i do that all the time. I don't say 'Michael was' i still say 'is' all the time. So when family and/or friends say that...it really ain't anything special IMO.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
With all due respect, but i always found Paris acting alittle strange during the memorial. Clearly she wasn't in tears and my friend told me this as well...it kinda looked 'acted' .
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I don't agree with that.

About the body moving during the helicopter footage, NAH! Not moving at all, the camera is simply moving, because the chopper is moving...i don't see a body getting up, wiggling or anything like that.
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Well it must have moved, whether someone moved it or not, because the black straps that were around it when it went in were not there when it came out. Watch from like 7.48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2u5JYTa4vg during the time when it 'moves' watch the black strap.. it is clearly being moved off the body.. and the body comes out with no straps. And no I don't think that was MJ alive under the sheet, strapped onto the board and loaded into the helicopter. Thats not the way I'm viewing it...
 
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Rockin. said:
I don't agree with that.



Well it must have moved, whether someone moved it or not, because the black straps that were around it when it went in were not there when it came out. Watch from like 7.48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2u5JYTa4vg during the time when it 'moves' watch the black strap.. it is clearly being moved off the body.. and the body comes out with no straps. And no I don't think that was MJ alive under the sheet, strapped onto the board and loaded into the helicopter. Thats not the way I'm viewing it...
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Yeah the straps...but i think they just removed those straps while on the helicopter ride, the camera wasn't on it every second of that ride, was it? So for whatever the took them off.
 
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The slip ups of everyone is what's keeping me interested too.
Like the one Kenny Ortega made about TII.
The interviewer asks how Kenny did the editing and if it was hard to choose what would be in it (something like that)
Kenny says "Every day I woke up I just brought Michael into the editing room with me.
We lived there for weeks!"

Gonna watch the video's you posted now Staffordshire
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Yeah the straps...but i think they just removed those straps while on the helicopter ride, the camera wasn't on it every second of that ride, was it? So for whatever the took them off.
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Yes, the 'body moving' video shows the strap being removed. You can see it being slipped off..it moves along the white to the end and then off, so that isn't a camera trick.

No this doesn't prove a thing, in isolation....and like I said no I do not think it was MJ alive that went in to the helicopter and was moving underneath the sheet, I do not think that. That isn't how I'm looking at it. I have a possible scenario but I don't think I want to share it yet. I am getting my way through the videos of MJfanforeverandaday on youtube, from her very first video to the last..its taking me a while to get through them. They are analyses of what we have seen, what we have heard, what we have been told, what we have been shown. Analysis of factual things, not wild theories. I do not agree with everything in those videos, and I'm not saying he is alive but I'm looking into it..and I'm not crazy or in denial, I just can't ignore what I've seen/heard.

Emily.MJ said:
like you all, i am not talking about the silly hoax theroies but about the inconsistances, the shady comments, the aftermath and all...but then paris's speech stops me
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I'm the same as you.

Angela_MJJ - I thought that was strange to say, but I guess he just meant he 'brought him in' like he metaphorically brought in what he'd have thought MJ would do.
 
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Rockin. said:
. I am getting my way through the videos of MJfanforeverandaday on youtube, from her very first video to the last..its taking me a while to get through them. They are analyses of what we have seen, what we have heard, what we have been told, what we have been shown. Analysis of factual things, not wild theories. I do not agree with everything in those videos, and I'm not saying he is alive but I'm looking into it..and I'm not crazy or in denial, I just can't ignore what I've seen/heard.
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Thankss for posting the link to these youtube videos.. they are interesting and i dont agree with some of the stuff but the bits about the times of calling the ambulance then arriving at hospital.. that certainly does not add up and suggests all was not as it seemed?!

i am only on part 9... going to take ages to watch them all..!
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier;2508873[B said:
]You sure you saw this? [/B]Cause Frank's not stupid...if there is a hoax, which i still strongly doubt..but i always keep an open mind...and he's in on it..he wouldn't be so stupid to say this.

What you see alot in these death hoax videos is how it's weird that people still talk in the present sense....but i do that all the time. I don't say 'Michael was' i still say 'is' all the time. So when family and/or friends say that...it really ain't anything special IMO.
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Yeah, I saved the video too in case they ever decided to remove it. It's in part 2 of Raffles Van Excel's interview with Frank. I'm pretty sure you can find it on youtube.

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cNeJjA6LlM
 
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Angela_MJJ said:
The slip ups of everyone is what's keeping me interested too.
Like the one Kenny Ortega made about TII.
The interviewer asks how Kenny did the editing and if it was hard to choose what would be in it (something like that)
Kenny says "Every day I woke up I just brought Michael into the editing room with me.
We lived there for weeks!"

Gonna watch the video's you posted now Staffordshire
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Are you sure he was referencing the movie or maybe clips they were planning on showing/using during the concert shows, MJ could have been involved with that editing part prior to the 25th?:unsure:
 
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Rockin. said:
Angela_MJJ - I thought that was strange to say, but I guess he just meant he 'brought him in' like he metaphorically brought in what he'd have thought MJ would do.
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Sure he could have meant that but it's a bit of an odd way to put it.

MJJ7777 said:
Are you sure he was referencing the movie or maybe clips they were planning on showing/using during the concert shows, MJ could have been involved with that editing part prior to the 25th?:unsure:
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Yes 100% sure this is a video about a few slip ups http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhEGFOqtfMw (which is very interesting if you ask me) at 3:00 you can see the one I was talking about.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Someone on MSN just talked to me about this and gave me a few links...i watched all these parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gY60Vg_zGI&feature=related

And while alot of weak and nonsense is being said there, some things did look abit weird to me, they always did, even before these death hoax videos. With all due respect, but i always found Paris acting alittle strange during the memorial. Clearly she wasn't in tears and my friend told me this as well...it kinda looked 'acted' . Then again...who am i to say she was acting there. The video claims she was 'playing' with her purse when one of MJ's brothers was talking, but nah....that's nonsense.

About the body moving during the helicopter footage, NAH! Not moving at all, the camera is simply moving, because the chopper is moving...i don't see a body getting up, wiggling or anything like that. What IS weird..are the 'slip ups' from many people that had worked with Michael and his family. Joe Jackson who didn't even know where MJ's body was, things that Kenny Ortega said. And that dancer from TII about a Dirty Diana rehearsal...but a rehearsal for that one was planned on june 25..not before..and much more. There's alotta strange things..did you guys watch all the parts of that video? I wonder what ya'll think about it.
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What's weirder is that in this news video I came across, there appears to be two bodies in that helicopter which can clearly be seen from the news
station's view.

The body with black straps is left behind as the body with no straps is whisked away to the coroner.

Kinda weird.

Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkyymSe1VDU
 
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I don't believe in a hoax, but some of the information in this thread does give pause....

There are a lot of inconsistencies in regards to Michael's death..I remember watching the movie of the Jackson's and when it showed that Michael was born, and Katherine and her mom was discussing his name, she called him Michael Joe Jackson..I didn't think anything of it at the time, except when i read the FBI files..in the files it stated that Michael's true name is Michael Joe Jackson...It also had a photocopy of Michael's driver license from 1983, and it stated Michael Joe Jackson....
Also, in his trial transcripts of 2005, his indictment states Michael Joe Jackson..

Now, his will and also his death certificate states his name as Michael Joesph Jackson...Can someone please explain why the name "Joseph' is used as his middle name on these 2 most important documents when it isn't his true name?...
 
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First..I would like to say one thing...thnky you so much for this site and this thread where I can say what I think without being called crazy or a mental patient ! MJJC is the most open-minded board and I truly thank you for that !!
Honestly I do look at those videos because I wanna be informed. I want to know what is going on and what people think.
There are many clips and they made me laugh because they are...funny.
But some of the serious facts I saw made my heart go wild and made me feel...you know...when you see something and you just KNOW that that is the true.
All those slip-ups.."Michael was here less than a week ago..."
"I talked to him yesterday..."
"Michael misses his fans very much...", and so many others coming from people that are close to him. I also use present tense a lot but if I was being interviewed, and Michael ....died ....4 months ago, how could I say I TALKED TO HIM YESTERDAY...idk.
I just don"t know.
And yes...there were two bodies in that helicopter, I saw that . ( ??? )
 
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Something very, very interestng, guys. I don't know if this has been posted or not. I've been into the hoax part, watched ALOT of videos etc, so many things that really, really add up, but still don't believe it. (the hoax)


http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/the-ambulance-photo-theory-t1625.htm

Take a look at that. Amazing! There are also other proofs that the ambulance pic is fake. I'm not saying that it has something about Mike faking his death, just that someone made the picture.
 
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Pentum said:
Something very, very interestng, guys. I don't know if this has been posted or not. I've been into the hoax part, watched ALOT of videos etc, so many things that really, really add up, but still don't believe it. (the hoax)


http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/the-ambulance-photo-theory-t1625.htm

Take a look at that. Amazing! There are also other proofs that the ambulance pic is fake. I'm not saying that it has something about Mike faking his death, just that someone made the picture.
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omg...omg this is really freaky.....seriously.......omg... could it be??? God...
it's unbelievalve....guys please tell me what you think..

LOVE YOU MICHAEL MORE THAN WORDS CAN SAY...
 
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Pentum said:
Something very, very interestng, guys. I don't know if this has been posted or not. I've been into the hoax part, watched ALOT of videos etc, so many things that really, really add up, but still don't believe it. (the hoax)


http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/the-ambulance-photo-theory-t1625.htm

Take a look at that. Amazing! There are also other proofs that the ambulance pic is fake. I'm not saying that it has something about Mike faking his death, just that someone made the picture.
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Ok i really dont believe in this whole idea of it being a hoax never have and from everything i have watched however much i want to believe michael is still with us i never will!

However that is some freaky s**t!! :mello: Not really sure what to make of it tbh!!!
 
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Pentum said:
Something very, very interestng, guys. I don't know if this has been posted or not. I've been into the hoax part, watched ALOT of videos etc, so many things that really, really add up, but still don't believe it. (the hoax)


http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/the-ambulance-photo-theory-t1625.htm

Take a look at that. Amazing! There are also other proofs that the ambulance pic is fake. I'm not saying that it has something about Mike faking his death, just that someone made the picture.
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If you look at this pic below...
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It shows the same features - the sideburns, the nose shape is the same, the ears etc. It's a good observation on their part I suppose but I'm pretty certain that it was Michael in that ambulance.

I'd love to believe that this was a hoax, I wish that one day I'd wake up, log on MJJC and see it plastered all over the forum that it was really a hoax and that he was back but... I've yet to have a wish come true. :no: :(
 
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Emily.MJ said:
omg...omg this is really freaky.....seriously.......omg... could it be??? God...
it's unbelievalve....guys please tell me what you think..

LOVE YOU MICHAEL MORE THAN WORDS CAN SAY...
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LOL unbelievable was exactly the word I said when I saw this.
Thanks for sharing!
 
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Kane said:
If you look at this pic below...
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It shows the same features - the sideburns, the nose shape is the same, the ears etc. It's a good observation on their part I suppose but I'm pretty certain that it was Michael in that ambulance.

I'd love to believe that this was a hoax, I wish that one day I'd wake up, log on MJJC and see it plastered all over the forum that it was really a hoax and that he was back but... I've yet to have a wish come true. :no: :(
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BUT if you look closely at the sideburns, you'll notice that at the bottom there's the same triangle of "whispy" hair on each photo. Like a triangle of hair with a space of skin in the middle.

This is some freaky shit right here.
 
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No problem, just thought I wanted to share with you, as it's kind of freaky but actually realistic. Remember, it's the tabloid that "took" the pic. they KNEW the would make millions.
 
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HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS? BOTH PICS CAN BE FOUND BY GOOGLE. TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE HELICOPTER PIC FROM VIDEO FOOTAGE VS. HELICOPTER PIC TAKEN FROM THE GROUND BY PAPARAZZI. THIS IS IN NEGATIVE IMAGE TO SEE THE CONTRAST BETTER, THIS WAS SUPPOSEDLY TAKEN THE SAME DAY. THIS PRETTY MUCH CONFIRMS THAT THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ''BODIES''. ARE YOU GONNA TRY AND CONVINCE ME AND SAY THAT THIS IS THE SAME BODY? I WAS NOT BORN A WEEK AGO.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7828/mjbody.jpg

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michaelmysoul said:
how do you explain this? both pics can be found by google. Take a close look at the helicopter pic from video footage vs. Helicopter pic taken from the ground by paparazzi. This is in negative image to see the contrast better, this was supposedly taken the same day. This pretty much confirms that these are two different ''bodies''. Are you gonna try and convince me and say that this is the same body? I was not born a week ago.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7828/mjbody.jpg

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i believe its a mannequin
 
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MJHistory22 said:
i believe its a mannequin
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Thank you. The first helicoper video screenshot is not even a mannequin. It resembles a surfboard two poles tied on it with two fake feet bound. Look at the ripple effect on the sheet, its deflated and there is not even a head under it. Michael was thin but he was not surfboard-thin. In the paparazzi pics there is a ''person'' with curves and human shapes and a head at least. Its not the same event, not the same picture. It was staged. There's even a third photo with the body bag coming out with the sheet tied with a big knot and not tucked in. There are 3 different versions of his body bag. I was not born a week ago, no one can convince me and say its the same body. Open your eyes, what you saw was a body going in the helicopter and coming out as a deflated stretcher with two bound feet and blue straps removed. Maybe they couldnt even use any straps because people would notice it was strapped to a flat surface.
 
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1. Is Michael REALLY alive? Cassandra says: “Yes.”
2. Why did Michael fake his death? Cassandra says: “Michael was under enormous pressure at every turn: from fans, from hangers-on, from business associates and also, sadly, from his many enemies and haters, both inside and outside the media. After 50 years, he was exhausted, weak and, as everyone knows, had turned to prescription drugs. He realized he couldn’t go on that way and needed time and space to rest and recover.
3. Does MJ’s family know he faked his death? Cassandra says: “Michael does not want to discuss his family in public. But all fans know he is a wonderful son and a wonderful father – he would never do anything to hurt his family. If you think about that, the answer to this question will be clear to you.
4. Did Michael plan his death hoax for a long time? Cassandra: “Yes, Michael made his plans well in advance.
5. Will Michael return or stay in hiding? Cassandra says: “Michael’s intention is to come out of hiding in June 2010 and embark on a world tour that will eventually will include every inhabited continent and many, many countries. The tour will last for years, unfolding at a pace that doesn’t exhaust Michael or threaten his health.
6. Are there 33 clues in his This Is It movie that explain why he faked his death and went into hiding? Cassandra says: “Michael says ‘yes’. Fans have already found many of the clues, and I’m just another fan. Michael won’t even give me hints! But he does say, ‘If you look you will find them.’”
7. Did Michael attend his own funeral? Cassandra says: “Not in person, but he watched it via closed circuit.”
8. Did Michael help with the production and edits of This Is It? Cassandra says: “Yes.”
9. Isn’t Michael concerned about how much sadness his death hoax has caused fans? Cassandra says: “Michael loves his fans and would never do anything to hurt them. He is aware of the sadness, but as he puts it, ‘There was no alternative. If I hadn’t done this, I really would be dead. This way, I”ll be back.’”
10. Isn’t faking your death illegal? Isn’t Michael afraid he will get into trouble? Cassandra says: I’m not a lawyer, but I can say this – Michael is a powerful man, a wealthy man. He doesn’t behave rashly or without thinking and planning. He did what he felt he had to do. If there are consequences, legal consequences, he will deal with them with accordingly.
 
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