Update: Alejandra responds /MJ Estate asking court to remove Alejandra and her kids from Hayvenhurst

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I agree. If Katherine really has no problem and there is space let her stay but I also feel she should have been able to be on her own by now, she got too comfortable. Katherine is too nice i would not let her live off of me, i know she cares about her grandchildren but she should have told her sons to take action or just let them stay while their mother is finding stability in her life. She was offered a condo, many people would jump on that, it's not like she still couldn't visit or that her kids couldn't come by and spend time there. You'd think she'd like to have her own space for free. She probably has other motives, someone who can have children by 2 brothers is conniving and has motives IMO.

True, Im on the fence on this one. I feel she should be able to stay but then she should leave. I just don't see how you can have kids by two brothers and say with their momma for over 20years. Where is YO momma at??
 

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Maybe he had no problem because he was not living there. And let's not forget DCFS had to go out there because of what one of those kids did that IMO is why they have to go
 

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Maybe he had no problem because he was not living there. And let's not forget DCFS had to go out there because of what one of those kids did that IMO is why they have to go

What did the kid do?? From what I remember no one was physically harmed. N the only problem was that DCFS felt that it would be better for just MJ kids to live in the house.

EDIT: whether he was living there or not.... He was still paying the bills. So it doesn't make a difference to me.
 

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I agree. If Katherine really has no problem and there is space let her stay but I also feel she should have been able to be on her own by now, she got too comfortable.

Well, Katherine does have a problem -- otherwise she won't be out there crying for more money in the media and signing MJ's kids to work, so she could support deadbeat Alejandra and her brood.

Obviously this isn't just about Alejandra staying in the house, she wants a lot more than that. She wants the Estate to support her and her kids the same way MJ's kids are. She wants to live large as if she's a celebrity and she sure feels entitled to it.
 

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Well, Katherine does have a problem -- otherwise she won't be out there crying for more money in the media and signing MJ's kids to work, so she could support deadbeat Alejandra and her brood.

Obviously this isn't just about Alejandra staying in the house, she wants a lot more than that. She wants the Estate to support her and her kids the same way MJ's kids are. She wants to live large as if she's a celebrity and she sure feels entitled to it.

No one knows why Katherine is asking for more money. From my understanding, everything at Hayvenhurst gets paid for, along with other things, and Katherine still has like $10,000 left. Alejandra just doesn't want to leave hayvenhurst... I have never heard her say she wanted money from them or wanted them to support her ad her kids like they take care of MJ kids. But i really dunno
 

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I think that Katherine is probably overwhelmed by the number of kids in the house, but doesn't want to tell 5 of her grandkids to move out. It's a difficult situation, and it's too bad that the adults (Jermaine and Alejandra, mostly) aren't trying to help.

I think that Alejandra needs to move out. She shouldn't be living with her ex-mother-in-law. Jermaine and Alejandra need to work out a living arrangement for their kids. Randy Jr. and Donte are adults, so they should be working on moving out. Since Alejandra won't take the condo, maybe Randy Jr. and Donte can move into it.
 

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I did look into to that sometime back. The online information wasn't updated but I think in 2005 it showed the ownership as Michael and Latoya.

So Latoya was listed as part owner at least in one point in time. However I have no idea if that was still the case in 2009 and if their shares was equal or not.
This is interesting.
The will lists possible actions towards Hayvenhurst that can be taken by the estate. Would it be possible in the first place if La Toya was a co-owner? Just wondering.
 

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Katherine own a very small percentage of the own. But in trying to hide her assets from the Moonies she transferred the title to Latoya. A few years later, Katherine tried to get the title transferred back, but then Latoya was at war with her family and refused to.

So Latoya never paid to get whatever % of Hayvenhurst, Katherine tried to play the Moonies and bad luck for her, her own daughter played her.

A couple of years ago, Latoya was in trouble with the IRS she own taxes on a vega home, i wouldn't be surprised if MJ bought her off Hayvenhurst.

When MJ remortgaged the house, he might have bought Latoya off.

We will have to wait for the estate's response.

And I'm trying to keep an open mind, but the Jacksons (all of them) & Oziaza (?) might be playing the estate administrators in this mess.
 

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True, Im on the fence on this one. I feel she should be able to stay but then she should leave. I just don't see how you can have kids by two brothers and say with their momma for over 20years. Where is YO momma at??

What did the kid do?? From what I remember no one was physically harmed. N the only problem was that DCFS felt that it would be better for just MJ kids to live in the house.

EDIT: whether he was living there or not.... He was still paying the bills. So it doesn't make a difference to me.

Even if no one was harmed if they did not like the fact that there were to many people in the home then changes had to be made
 

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Katherine own a very small percentage of the own. But in trying to hide her assets from the Moonies she transferred the title to Latoya. A few years later, Katherine tried to get the title transferred back, but then Latoya was at war with her family and refused to.

So Latoya never paid to get whatever % of Hayvenhurst, Katherine tried to play the Moonies and bad luck for her, her own daughter played her.

A couple of years ago, Latoya was in trouble with the IRS she own taxes on a vega home, i wouldn't be surprised if MJ bought her off Hayvenhurst.

When MJ remortgaged the house, he might have bought Latoya off.

We will have to wait for the estate's response.

And I'm trying to keep an open mind, but the Jacksons (all of them) & Oziaza (?) might be playing the estate administrators in this mess.

Thanks. So maybe EVEN is Michael hadn't re-gained the full ownership, the co-ownership percentage is small and that could only leave very little space for manoeuvre for the other owner (I don't know whether there is relation between these two, but I guess should be?)
 

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March 15th is the court date for the evition let see if the father show up to support Alejandra and her children.

Since Randy has a new gf just being 22 I guess she will get competition in the child support mess soon.. :doh:
 

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his new girlfriend is only 22 years old?

Oh Lord!

Didn't he have a long-term girlfriend? I don't recall her name, but she was also invloved with that phony website with Karen Faye and Randy Jackson.

What the heck happened to her and when is her "tell-all-book" coming out? LOL!
 
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Obviously this isn't just about Alejandra staying in the house, she wants a lot more than that. She wants the Estate to support her and her kids the same way MJ's kids are. She wants to live large as if she's a celebrity and she sure feels entitled to it.

exactly. lets say the estate tell her she can stay but she has to pay half of all the bills for everything from food to heating to taxes and not one single dime is to be given to her by katherine. and when jaffar etc go out with the mj3 she has to pay for them. you think she would be intrested in that? i doubt it because she turned down the offer of the condo so its not just about having somewhere to live its all the other freebies that get thrown in.. ontop of living in the house she gets everything paid for her.and no doubt katherine hands her money from the allowances to pay for things for the kids.

its pathetic that even now mj is expected to pay. where are the kids fathers? especially jerks who seems to have no problem flying around the world all the time acting like a a lister but cant fnd the time to pay child support or to put a roof over his kids house. but hey lets leave it to mj he was to soft to say no. who cares if hes gone he can still be of some use.from the begining the bros just push their exs ontop katherine and know they can live there cause she wont turn them away and mj prob said nothing for a quiet life and he wouldnt throw the kids out anyway.

remember reading reports not to long back that mj had bought latoyas share out of the house. easy to prove one way or the other
 

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I believe she was working with the estate on
this one. Plus NO one in the Jackson family has spoken out in behalf of Alejandra staying.

Something else fishy Alejandra says The estate asked her a to sign a confidentiality agreement for them putting her up in the condo. The clause was to protect the Jackson family. Randy, Jermaine etc from her making any statements about or against them. So it seem estate might have been working along with the Jacksons on this one. becuase why would the estate care whate she said about Randy or Jermaine. I dont think Alejandra is telling the complete story in her petition only the parts to support her agenda.

This confidentiality agreement also made me think the same that estate is working with or for the Jacksons. Why not limit it to MJ and his kids? They added all the Jacksons and in the court documents Alejandra says it specifically included Randy and Jermaine. It seems like her goal is to write a book about them and the estate is trying to stop it.



I feel that if MJ didn't have a problem supporting them all of these years, then why should the estate have a problem with it.

who says Michael supported them? Alejandra's older court documents for child support she says Katherine gave her $100-200 for groceries and that she and her kids didn't have any health insurance etc. She didn't have money for tutors etc.

My understanding is that Michael (or his companies) paid the mortgage on the house (sometimes they/he didn't even pay that) and he gave some money to his mother. However that money wasn't for or enough to support them.

I'm not saying cut her a check or treat her kids the way they treat MJ kids and Katherine, but why can't they stay at hayvenhurst???

- Probably the house becomes overcrowded
- Causes problems with DCFS
- they increase the costs

I just think it's much more to this story what's being told(and that's on both sides). Why won't she sign the agreement and move in the condo?? Is the condo in a bad shape?? Or did she think she was gonna leave hayvenhurst then try to mae money by "exposing them". Why is the estate forcing her to sign a confidentiality agreement? If she is such a problem, why wasn't she evicted already? It's just sooo much. Hopefully they will work it out.

I think the thing is estate is offering condo to her for a certain duration - such as till the kids all turn to 18 but the confidentiality agreement last all her life. And when you read the documents it seems like the confidentiality agreement is the main issue. For example the documents say what happens if the executors remove her from the condo after a certain time and that they can't talk due to confidentiality.

Plus when you read later on she mentions promises and how she didn't pursue legal action against Jermaine and Randy. I think the pattern is clear here.

Well, Katherine does have a problem -- otherwise she won't be out there crying for more money in the media and signing MJ's kids to work, so she could support deadbeat Alejandra and her brood.

No one knows why Katherine is asking for more money. From my understanding, everything at Hayvenhurst gets paid for, along with other things, and Katherine still has like $10,000 left.

I too think that the money Katherine says she needs is for the other people. By all accounts Katherine and MJ's kids is taken care of. She needs money for other people. When you think about 6-10 other people and all their expenses it's clear that the cash she's getting wouldn't be enough to support all those people.

This is interesting.
The will lists possible actions towards Hayvenhurst that can be taken by the estate. Would it be possible in the first place if La Toya was a co-owner? Just wondering.

the actions listed were general actions for all the assets not specific to the Hayvenhurst.
 

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Why is Alejandra refusing to sign a confidentiality agreement, which would enable
her to move into a condominium free of charge?
I guess you all are right. She wants a lot more financially; but she
really needs to work harder at getting that from the known fathers
(Jermaine and Randy) of her children.
 

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Alejandra should just suck it up and get a real job, even if it's being a greeter at a friggin Wal-Mart. I know a guy who's mentally handicapped--and he still has a job, and can proudly count himself as a contributing member of society despite his disability...so, I guess my point is, if he can do it, there's no reason why Alejandra can't. So, get on it, and stop being such a parasite--I can't believe she's willing to humiliate herself this much just to not get a job. She doesn't belong at Hayvenhurst, and I feel sorry for her kids, because their mother amounted up to nothing but a useless parasite.

(P.S. Off-topic, but Cherubium II, I love your siggy.)
 

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Why is Alejandra refusing to sign a confidentiality agreement, which would enable her to move into a condominium free of charge?

I'm not sure the condo was offered "free of charge," but even if it was, she would still need to finance the day-to-day needs for both herself and her children.

She can't expect the Estate of Michael Jackson to provide her with a monthly allowance. A Judge would never allow such a thing and the Estate can't just make it up as they go along, they have to follow what the Will says.

Being able to say at the Encino home provides her with more than staying at that condo. At the Encino home all of her basic needs are taking care of, including those for her children.

In my opinion, her not taking the condo, has a lot more to do that just a confidentiality agreement.
 

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This is all Katherine's fault. She should've kicked out Alejandra 20 years ago. I can understand allowing her time to get on her feet, find a job and save some money but my God it's been 20 years. Alejandra sounds lazy as hell and she's acting as if she's entitled to MJ's estate. She maybe entitled to Randy or Jermaine's future estates since she has kids by them but she has no entitlement to MJ or his estate whatsoever. Katherine should've taken care of this situation years ago.
 

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Here is something I don't get. Donte is listed as being the guardian of Joe and Katherine Jackson so says these court papers. So why isn't he with his guardian? I know he is 18 and all but still
 

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This is all Katherine's fault. She should've kicked out Alejandra 20 years ago. I can understand allowing her time to get on her feet, find a job and save some money but my God it's been 20 years. Alejandra sounds lazy as hell and she's acting as if she's entitled to MJ's estate. She maybe entitled to Randy or Jermaine's future estates since she has kids by them but she has no entitlement to MJ or his estate whatsoever. Katherine should've taken care of this situation years ago.


No this is not all her fault ask yourself a question if she would have thrown them out where would they go? It is very easy for you to sit there and say oh she should have done this and that who was going to take care of her grands if she kicked them out? Had that stupid boy not bought that stun gun none of this would be going in IMO If you have learned nothing else it should be that those kids father's are dirt bags won't want to take care of there own
 

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Here is something I don't get. Donte is listed as being the guardian of Joe and Katherine Jackson so says these court papers. So why isn't he with his guardian? I know he is 18 and all but still


good question.. Donte' is a mystery. I am still kind of believing he's Joe's son.
 

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No this is not all her fault ask yourself a question if she would have thrown them out where would they go? It is very easy for you to sit there and say oh she should have done this and that who was going to take care of her grands if she kicked them out? Had that stupid boy not bought that stun gun none of this would be going in IMO If you have learned nothing else it should be that those kids father's are dirt bags won't want to take care of there own

I agree that Randy and Jermaine should've stepped up but Katherine should've put her foot down as well. She should've pulled Jermaine and Randy aside and told them to get their stuff together and take care of their kids. Instead Katherine harrassed and begged MJ for even more money to take care of her other grandchildren when she herself admitted that she wasn't even close to MJ's kids and didn't know them well at all.
 

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I agree that Randy and Jermaine should've stepped up but Katherine should've put her foot down as well. She should've pulled Jermaine and Randy aside and told them to get their stuff together and take care of their kids. Instead Katherine harrassed and begged MJ for even more money to take care of her other grandchildren when she herself admitted that she wasn't even close to MJ's kids and didn't know them well at all.


And how do you know she did not do that? And let me say this to you no way in hell I do I agree with what she is doing with Michael's kids but just the fact that on June 25 she took those kids to her house filed papers to be there guardian before we even found out Michael wanted her to take the kids if anything happened to him means she was willing to to get to know those those kids. Where was P&P's mother? Nowhere to be found so you back off in that regard
 

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I agree that Randy and Jermaine should've stepped up but Katherine should've put her foot down as well.

In my opinion, when Alejandra AND Randy broke-up, she should have left the home right then and there.

Why did Randy leave the home and leave his EX-girlfriend there? That's the real question.

Maybe, just maybe, if Randy Jackson had provided for her and his children way back then, she would have been out of the home and she wouldn't have had the opportunity to get with Jermaine.

Jermaine was living in the home with her. That was just a bad combination from jumpstreet. Folks get lonely and start reaching for one another in the dark of night. LOL!

When Randy left, he should have taken homegirl with him, in my opinion.
 
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