Was this MJ's new peak when it comes to his vocals?

Did MJ reach a new peak with his vocal abilities right before the end?


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dancemasterman

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It's honestly starting to look like MJ was at a brand new peak vocally during these rehearsals. When you listen to his live vocals in these previews it's absolutely amazing. Compare human nature from the bad tour, where he sounds incredible already, to the way he sounds in the this is it clips where he sounds completely superior. The way he growls in that human nature clip towards the end. And the way he screams billie jean. His voice honestly sounded to me better than it ever has, even on his albums.

I'm curious who else here feels the same way.
 

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I have to see the whole film properly before I can judge. But I have to say that Human Nature rehearsal footage was incredible, his voice was amazing and it just seemed so effortless.
 

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I agree he was at his best. His vocals seemed stronger and more aggressive with grunts. He was hitting his falsetto notes so effortlessly. This is the best I ever heard him sound live. I haven't seen all his concerts but he sure sounds great in those clips. I want them to make a live album of this.:wub:
 

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I agree he was at his best. His vocals seemed stronger and more aggressive with grunts. He was hitting his falsetto notes so effortlessly. This is the best I ever heard him sound live. I haven't seen all his concerts but he sure sounds great in those clips. I want them to make a live album of this.:wub:

to me, this maybe sounds better here live than he sounded when it wasn't live on his albums. This is so amazingly impressive, especially to think that a man with a lung disorder and horribly inflamed lungs who is 50 years old is doing it.

My god sometimes Michael Jackson just seems like he's impossible. Like how is this possible? It's almost like Beethoven being a deaf composer.
 

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Hid vocals in tii are impressive, but he was tons better back in the day.
 

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I know this info is somewhere here, but I did a google search and got this off Maximum-Jackson:

http://www.popstarsplus.com/music_michaeljackson.htm
Vocal timbre: Spinto, Countertenor, Baritone (in the song 2000 Watts of Invinvible album, for exmaple)
Highest note: B5
Lowest note : E2
Vocal range: 3.6+ octaves (E2-B5; 44 notes by the middle of 1980s according to Seth Riggs, Jackson's vocal consultant (Quote from Seth Riggs); in the 1990s, Riggs said the range expanded to 4 octaves. Apparently, due to aging, Jackson got few additional lower notes, while not losing the highest ones.)

Vocal timbre: Spinto, Countertenor, Baritone

Technically, Michael has one of the finest voices in contempary music. His first advantage is the natural speed of his voice. He has the ability to sing in staccato, and sing complex rhythms in perfect timing. The best recorded example of this is the title track from his 1979 album, Off The Wall. Michael possesses a 4 (!!!) octave vocal range. (Christina Aguelira has a 3 1/2 octave range, Whitney 3, just to give you an example of great voices).

His voice goes from two E's below middle C, to two B's above middle C, or 44 notes. This is an EXTREMELY rare range amongst adult male singers. Essentially, Michael is able to reach octaves that other tenors cannot attain with their natural voice. His voice is NOT falsetto, as many people believe. Of course, MJ does use falsetto, but this is the range of notes he can sing in full voice. If you listen to the butterflies acapella, you can hear that all those high notes are in full voice and not falsetto. Impressive, huh?

So yes. . . I do think Michael's voice was still prime at his age.
 

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Well it his hard to tell-we haven´t heard more than 4-5 minutes of live singing from the movie.

But I most say he sounds really good. But it will be really hard to top his best vocal performances and he did them not on the bad tour but on the Triumph

-I just heard the japanese Jacksons Live album which is remastered and he sounds amazing on songs like This Place Hotel-

and Victory Tour. For me the Bad Tour comes only in third position when it comes to his voice. So after the movie I´ll decide which place This is it is for me.
 

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Hid vocals in tii are impressive, but he was tons better back in the day.

Wrong!!! On the dangerous Tour he had massive vocal problems really not in good vocal form..... and don´t get me started with the playback History Tour 90% lip-syncing....not so good to say it real nice.
 

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Wrong!!! On the dangerous Tour he had massive vocal problems really not in good vocal form..... and don´t get me started with the playback History Tour 90% lip-syncing....not so good to say it real nice.


to be fair though were not talking about what he did do on a day to day basis, were talking about abilities. on both the dangerous tour and the history tour he had those moments where he proved that at that moment he was still the best vocalist out of anybody else, when he was feeling right. I think that his lung disorder probably had something to do with why at times on dangerous he didn't sound right and why he used playback on the history tour.

He probably never knew from one minute to the next when his voice was going to go out, and he didn't want that happening in the middle of a performance that he spent so much time choreographing and rehearsing.
 
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I think Michael's voice always beautiful...:yes:....he was gonna show us even more greatness with TII....this is obvious to me by the rehearsal footage that we have seen so far...Michael was a musical genius...and as he always told us.."you aint seen nothing yet"...I believe he ment it...I also believe that we would of seen it at the O2....It is so difficult to talk about what was suppose to be..:cry:
 

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Wrong!!! On the dangerous Tour he had massive vocal problems really not in good vocal form..... and don´t get me started with the playback History Tour 90% lip-syncing....not so good to say it real nice.

Im more referring to like, 80's, like on bad tour i would say he was better then what i hear on TII.
 

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I would much rather hear a live recording of Michael than a studio recording. When he was on, no one could come close. I get goose bumps every time I watch his performance of Earth Song from the Brunei concert. Michael's heart and soul were embodied in his vocal performances. The real Michael. You can feel that when he sings. It goes beyond the quality of his voice. It is magical when he sings live. There is no doubt, he still had the magic.
 

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Im more referring to like, 80's, like on bad tour i would say he was better then what i hear on TII.

even though bad tour had the best consistent vocals than any other tour, I think that his range and overall ability was more impressive on the album dangerous than the bad album.

He just didn't have the endurance in his 30's that he had in his 20's which is why the dangerous concerts don't sound as good as the bad tours.
 

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even though bad tour had the best consistent vocals than any other tour

Nope that crown goes to the Victory Tour. I´ve compared for many years now each Victory vocal performance with the Bad performance when MJ is singing of course the same song and in 87% the Victory performance wins.

For example

Beat it Victory is much better than Beat it Bad
Human Nature Victory is better than Bad
This place Hotel Victory much better than the Bad Tour vocal
 

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Is this supposed to be some kind of joke? Michael was at his peak during the Triumph Tour. Even though his vocals are amazing of what we've seen on the TII rehearsals, it's not close to being what it was for almost 30 years ago. For those who haven't heard The Jacksons Live album, really need to get it. You're missing out.
 

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Is this supposed to be some kind of joke? Michael was at his peak during the Triumph Tour. Even though his vocals are amazing of what we've seen on the TII rehearsals, it's not close to being what it was for almost 30 years ago. For those who haven't heard The Jacksons Live album, really need to get it. You're missing out.

I agree but Victory Tour is as good as the Triumph vocals.


This is my Tour rating


Destiny 8 out of 10

Triumph and Victory 10 out of 10

Bad 8-9 out of 10

Dangerous 7 out of 10

History 3 out of 10
 

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im fuckin impressed that mans voice was better than ever. count on it
 

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I don't think so. He was still good but not better than ever.
I feel bad for voting at all. I don't want to judge his rehearsals performance! :(
 

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Michael's vocals were wonderful throughout his career. Listening to 'Invincible', however, I believe that he was coached vocally and began to concentrate more on his singing than ever before. The lyrics are beautiful, and on this later album his voice sounds so pure and powerful. I cannot fault it at all.

I remember back in 2001 I went on a family holiday to Germany, and as we drove through Belgium my dad asked me what CD's I had brought with me. I was only a very new fan at this point, and so when I handed 'Invincible' over my dad immediately put it on the car stereo. As we got half way through the album, my parents both commented on how fantastic the vocals were - better than ever before, and I tend to agree.

It's difficult to tell with some of the leaked/bonus tracks that we've heard in recent years as the quality is often bad and Michael is often on backing vocals, but I reckon that Michael's voice was indeed at its peak.

We truly lost an incredible talent in June didn't we! :cry: Love you Michael!
 

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Need to see more, but from what we've heard, he sounds so impressive!

Plus I always preferred older/mature voice than in his younger years.
 

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Listen to Human nature Dangerous Tour and then Human Nature TII. He blows his 1992 vocals out of the water.

I also prefer them to his Bad Tour vocals on Human nature.

I think its down to personal preference. Some might prefer his soft Human Nature vocals from the Bad Tour. Others prefer a bit of diversity to his voice. Personally I prefer his TII vocals as he goes from rough vocals to soft vocals and alternates between the two.

Theres no doubt though that his live vocals were they best they had been since the Bad Tour.
 
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I agree that human nature is the best version so far, but we dont know if he sung anythin before that and if he had a break. Singing the song live he already sung a few songs and danced a lot. I dont think he was at his peak. Its different and i like at just as much as before. So not better but different.
 

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im with L.T.D again on this one.
his vocals were better than ever.

that's my opinion and im stickin with it.
 

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I dont like these kind of conversations. The voice grows and matures, or doesn't change, or depends on how you want to use it at different stages in your career.

I think Michael's voice has always been beautiful, and I love the way he has decided to experiment with it, and it's funny that people are judging it.
After the j5/early Jacksons days, I think his voice at it's core has for the most part, been the same. He's gotten more mature and realized how to do certain things, or how to not do things he used to do based on his feelings.

I couldn't imagine being Michael and coming on this board and reading that his FANS are saying 'he sounded better when he was younger'

and while he has sung better in some tours than others, I can judge the TOUR vocals against each other, but that's a whole nother ball game than his normal vocals. It's HARD being on tour and singing a bazillion songs all the time. If you're sick, too bad, go on stage. Lost your voice? oh well!
 

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I agree but Victory Tour is as good as the Triumph vocals.


This is my Tour rating


Destiny 8 out of 10

Triumph and Victory 10 out of 10

Bad 8-9 out of 10

Dangerous 7 out of 10

History 3 out of 10


For me the vocal ratings -

BAD - 9/10
DANGEROUS - 5/10
HISTORY - 1/10
THIS IS IT - 8.5/10
 

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Really good vocals , I cant wait for the live album.
 
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