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This thread is dedicated to the investigation into the passing of Mr Michael Jackson

This thread is purely for factual information ONLY

NO speculation hearsay or rumours are permitted

Anyone who peridocially tries to destroy this thread will have their posting abilities removed for 7 days,

This thread is to help sift through the information we know that is correct and try to come up with factual based scenario.

With that said lets try to get to the bottom of this.
 
How wonderful, I fully agree
Since the police are silent, we'll show the fans that we will not
rest until the truth does not arise
Maybe they decide to take action
I hope that people who post, do not criticize any opinion
Only together to reach some point of certainty

We need facts of what happened that night
We need to go searching all over each involved
I myself have many fleas and if someone can help
I know who has info on brothers of Bashir had
driver was Mottola

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4
 
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Thanks for this thread............these baseless conspiracy theories are driving me crazy!!!!

We need FACTS!!!!!!
 
do a lot of people believe in the conspiracy theories? I mean, in my mind, they hold only so much water as the hoax ones. but who knows... thanks for this thread. we need the cold, hard facts right now. I'm going crazy waiting for the LAPD to DO SOMETHING!! ugh.
 
I love this thread and will be back after the holidays to get started here. Hope you all are too
 
I think this thread might move kinda slow for a while, as we really don't HAVE a lot of facts now. I'm glad it's up though and look forward to reading it. :yes:

I don't like what happened in the I.U. with the mods and rules constantly being challenged. :mad: We are GUESTS here, and should abide by the rules without the constant pushing and pulling of mods. I think I have a total of *three* posts over there, but I've observed some drama I would've really rather not. It makes it so that whole threads just become about the RULES, rather than the investigation. ANNOYING! :mad:

The only way to get to the bottom of this mess is to toss ideas around. I firmly believe that-that is the same way police hash out a theory. However, I do believe that was best done in private. Having said that, I missed the deadline for requesting a password there (if it goes password protected again), so who do I contact? I do have a password from before.
 
u can only disucss so much b4 u go round in circles and start to go mad. theres nothing really to talk about at the min. we have all we know. things will change when something happens. until then speculation is pretty pointless and gets u know where. if this goes all the way its gonna be a long hard road. those who were here in 03-05 will tell u that even though theres nothing to lose as there was back then.so id rather wait until something does happen. as everything else has been discussed
 
u can only disucss so much b4 u go round in circles and start to go mad. theres nothing really to talk about at the min. we have all we know. things will change when something happens. until then speculation is pretty pointless and gets u know where. if this goes all the way its gonna be a long hard road. those who were here in 03-05 will tell u that even though theres nothing to lose as there was back then.so id rather wait until something does happen. as everything else has been discussed

Wise words from an old timer. :yes:
I will check back here but as you rightly say it is going to be a long rocky road. :doh:
03-05 was a time of great distress for MJ. I cant imagine how awfully stressful that was for him and all of you as you supported eachother.
Please know that I do respect you long time members and find your posts valuable and interesting.
xxx
 
the search warrant mentioned "11 o'clock" two times:



Quote:
JACKSON remained awake and at approximately 1040 hours, MURRAY finally administered 25mgof PROPOFOL (DIPRIVAN), diluted with LIDOCAINE (XYLOCAINE), via IV drip to keep JACKSON sedated, after repeated demands/requests from JACKSON. JACKSON finally went to sleep and MURRAY stated that he remained monitoring him. After approximately 10 minutes, MURRAY stated he left JACKSON's side to go to the restroom and relieve himself. MURRAY stated he was out of the room for about 2 minutes maximum. Upon his return, MURRAY noticed that JACKSON was no longerbreathing.e







Quote:
Your affiant obtained MURRAY'S cellular telephone records for the early morning hours of June 25,2009. In his statement, MURRAY estimated the time that he noticed JACKSON was not breathing to beat approximately 1100 hours. MURRAY'S cellular telephone records show MURRAY on the telephone,with three separate callers for approximately 47 minutes starting at 1118 hours, until 1205 hours.MURRAY did not mention this to the interviewing detectives


Chernoff's reply :

"Much of what was in the search warrant affidavit is factual," attorney Edward Chernoff said in the statement. "However, unfortunately, much is police theory. Most egregiously, the timeline reported by law enforcement was not obtained through interviews with Dr. Murray, as was implied by the affidavit. Dr. Murray simply never told investigators that he found Michael Jackson at 11:00 a.m. not breathing. He also never said that he waited a mere 10 minutes before leaving to make several phone calls. In fact, Dr. Murray never said that he left Michael Jackson's room to make phone calls at all.
We will not comment on the 'anonymous' law enforcement source that claims that Michael Jackson's death will be ruled a homicide,Most of the reports by anonymous sources have been proven wrong. We will be happy to address the coroner's report when it is officially released."
 
Chernoff quotes:


"Dr. Murray has never prescribed nor administered Demerol to Michael Jackson," Chernoff said. "Not ever. Not that day. ... Not Oxycontin (either) for that matter."

"He just happened to find him in his bed, and he wasn't breathing," the lawyer said. "Mr. Jackson was still warm and had a pulse."

Because Jackson was so frail, Murray "administered with his hand behind his back to provide the necessary support," Chernoff said. Some have speculated the doctor botched the CPR.

"He's a trained doctor," Chernoff said. "He knows how to administer CPR."
















ED CHERNOFF, PARTNER, STRADLEY, CHERNOFF & ALFORD, LLP: Thank you, Kiran.

CHETRY: Give us some insight, first of all, on what was discussed during that meeting with the investigators and you and your client.

CHERNOFF: Well, generally, it was just about the circumstances leading up to the point in time where Michael Jackson stopped breathing, what happened the night before, what happened that day, his history, relationship with Michael Jackson, that kind of thing.

CHETRY: And that was a three-hour long meeting. Are there any other meetings with police that they want to have with your client, who they're saying is not a suspect, and it's not a criminal investigation? They just want to talk to him, maybe figure out exactly what went wrong.

CHERNOFF: Yes, there's no meeting scheduled. But we've let them know that we're available to them any time they need us, any questions they have. We've told them that the medical examiner is free to call us, and we'll be available to them if they have any questions once toxicology comes out. I expect they'll have some questions and we'll be ready to answer them.

CHETRY: Now, was your client, Dr. Murray, aware of what prescriptions Michael Jackson was taking?

CHERNOFF: Well, yes. I mean, you know, Dr. Murray prescribed certain things to Michael Jackson. As a doctor, you know, he had medical conditions, medical complaints.

Now, there have been some questions about whether or not he was taking substances that Dr. Murray did not know about. But as far as we know, Dr. Murray knew what Michael Jackson was taking, knew what he was doing, and kept up with all that.

CHETRY: Right. Can you clarify some of the reporting that's out there about whether or not Michael Jackson was taking narcotic painkillers like Demerol, like OxyContin. Did your client, Dr. Murray, prescribe or administer those narcotic painkillers to Michael Jackson?

CHERNOFF: Yes, I've heard those rumors. And one of the things that we agreed with LAPD was, although we are not allowed to discuss, and we certainly wouldn't want to discuss the substances that Michael Jackson might or might not have been taking, we can say this with clarity. Dr. Murray never prescribed Demerol, never administered Demerol, never saw him -- Michael Jackson take Demerol. And that goes as well for OxyContin. So, I think those are just rumors. When toxicology comes back, Kiran, that's going to be all cleared up.

CHETRY: All right. And for people who don't know, those are very, very powerful and addictive narcotic painkillers that both of you mentioned.

You talked about how Dr. Murray knew about Michael Jackson's ailments. And, of course, there are a lot of questions about how a 50-year-old man who seemed OK before, was planning on going on a worldwide tour, then dies, stops breathing and goes into cardiac arrest. Can you explain a little bit more about what some of those ailments Michael Jackson had were?

CHERNOFF: Well, it's not appropriate -- look, it's not appropriate to go into a man's medical history, an embarrassing medical history, perhaps, something that ought to be left to the family or to his doctors. But I can say this, there's nothing in his history, nothing that Dr. Murray knew that would lead him to believe that he would go into sudden cardiac arrest or respiratory failure. Nothing. There was no red flag that was available to Dr. Murray which would have led him to believe he should have died the way he did. It's still a mystery how he died to Dr. Murray.

It was Dr. Murray, Kiran, as you know, that requested that the family ask for an autopsy, because he needed to know as well as his physician what caused Michael Jackson to stop breathing.

CHETRY: All right. Speaking of that, this 911 call was released this weekend. Let's listen to a portion of it and I want to ask you about it.

CHERNOFF: All right.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

911: Is he on the floor? Where is he at right now?

CALLER: He's on the bed, sir. He's on the bed.

911: OK. Let's get him on the floor.

CALLER: OK.

911: OK. Let's get him down on the floor. I'll help you with CPR right now, OK.

CALLER: We need him to get...

911: Yes. We're on our way there. We're on our way. I'm going to do whatever I can to help you on the phone. We're on our way. Did anybody see him?

CALLER: Yes, we have a personal doctor here with him, sir.

911: Oh, you have a doctor there?

CALLER: Yes, but he's not responding. (END VIDEO CLIP)

CHETRY: One of the questions that people have, first of all, is why was Michael Jackson on a bed and not on a harder surface where CPR tends to be more successful on a hard flat surface like the floor?

CHERNOFF: Right, right. Yes, he was performing CPR on the bed. When this all occurred, it was an emergency situation and the doctor began performing CPR on the bed. He continued performing CPR for 25, 30 minutes.

The bed was firm, but that's not how -- that's not all -- the only reason why the doctor would have performed CPR on the bed. The doctor at the time that he performed CPR used one of his hands to brace under Michael Jackson's back to provide that support for the compression.

Michael Jackson is a very frail man. He was very thin, very small. And the doctor compressed his chest with one hand, braced his back with the other hand. He checked to make sure there was blood flow. There was. That he was getting blood. In fact, at the time that he was -- that emergency personnel came, he still had a weak pulse.

CHETRY: And when that 911 call happened, you said he was performing CPR for 25 to 30 minutes. Was 911 called immediately upon discovering Michael Jackson with the shallow breathing or with the weak pulse?

CHERNOFF: No. Look, not immediately. Dr. Murray is his personal physician. That would be something you would want is your doctor to be available if you were going into cardiac arrest. He was there, especially a cardiologist. He was there to try to revive Michael.

When it became clear that he could not revive him through CPR, then he sought to call 911. The problem, Kiran, is that in Michael Jackson's home, the phones don't work. There's no outside line at least in Michael Jackson's bedroom. So he had to yell for help, get security up and at some point, then security called 911. That's the tape that we hear.

CHETRY: Wow. All right. Ed Chernoff, attorney for Dr. Conrad Murray, who was with Michael Jackson's last moments in his home. Thanks so much for joining us and for giving us this information this morning.

CHERNOFF: Thank you, Kiran.

Twenty minutes past the hour.
 
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Ian Halperin said that in six months Michael Morris, who was ill
in the lungs,
Michael died at 6 months and was to be a heart attack
but thanks to Latoya another autopsy was performed and found to propofol
The police should investigate this information from Ian, as he knew
Michael's death?
Will was already planned?
 
wrong section for discussing that. needs to be done in the conspiracy section. halperine also said he was blind and had skin cancer and couldnt walk or talk
 
Ian Halperin said that in six months Michael Morris, who was ill
in the lungs,
Michael died at 6 months and was to be a heart attack
but thanks to Latoya another autopsy was performed and found to propofol
The police should investigate this information from Ian, as he knew
Michael's death?
Will was already planned?

Ian Halperin wrote a book that was very informative on the trial and had some great stuff but it also had some rather questionable 'other' information. I don't think he accurately described Michaels health issues. (putting it mildly)
 
Ian Halperin said that in six months Michael Morris, who was ill
in the lungs,
Michael died at 6 months and was to be a heart attack
but thanks to Latoya another autopsy was performed and found to propofol
The police should investigate this information from Ian, as he knew
Michael's death?
Will was already planned?
michael didn't have a heart attack and the tabloids have been saying he has 6 months to live for over a decade. eventually they were going to be correct.
 
For those interested in Dr. Tohme and Alberto Alverez, here is an interesting bit of information on them as well as the funeral at the Staples center. This just gives insight into what their roles might have been at the time of his death.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...e-interview-manager-reveals-rift-funeral.html

Michael Jackson’s manager has revealed the rift within the Jackson family over the tragic superstar’s funeral this week.

And he has disclosed that although he believed the singer was generally fit and healthy before his shock death, he had warned him about a sudden weight loss as the star worked hard to prepare for his marathon 50 concerts in London.

Business manager Dr Tohme Tohme said Jackson’s brothers and father Joe wanted a shrine for Michael at the Neverland Ranch but his mother and sisters vetoed the idea.

His Jackson Five brothers also wanted an open coffin funeral, similar to that of soul singer James Brown, and for the star to be driven through the streets so that mourners could throw flowers, as at Princess Diana’s funeral.

They had even ordered the same rare £15,000 gold-plated blue-velvet lined ‘Prometheus’-style coffin used for Brown’s funeral.

But their mother Katherine, 79, has overruled them, saying she felt an open coffin would be ‘ghoulish’ and harmful to Michael’s three children, of whom she has temporary legal guardianship.

A friend said: ‘The family is fiercely divided. You’ve got the brothers on one hand, who all want to perform and turn the funeral into a showbiz extravaganza, and then you have Katherine on the other side who is a deeply religious woman and is determined that this won’t descend into a circus.’

Dr Tohme admitted he had backed the brothers Jackie, 58, Tito, 55, Jermaine, 54, and Marlon, 52, in the dispute. But he said Katherine and Michael’s sisters LaToya, 53, and Janet, 43, had shot down their plans.

Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday, Dr Tohme said: ‘His brothers wanted the final resting place to be Neverland but the rest of the family didn’t want him there for some reason that’s not known to me.

‘I tried with some members of the family to provide Neverland as his resting place and to turn it into something. I believe Michael Jackson deserved to be in Neverland – a grand place like Neverland.

He is the King of Pop and I think we will not see anyone like him in our lifetime.

‘But all his stuff is in storage and I am in control of it. It is Michael Jackson’s items and memorabilia and awards and hopefully we will put it on display in Neverland or whatever the family decide to do with it.’

Katherine is understood to have told Jackson’s long-term manager Frank DiLeo that she alone will make the final decision on all aspects of Tuesday’s funeral.

Mr DiLeo told a friend: ‘The brothers wanted Michael to be driven through the streets so fans could line up and throw flowers like they did with Princess Diana, but Katherine has ruled that out.

'She is the one who is pushing for a spiritual element to the funeral. If the brothers had their way, it would be the Jackson Five’s greatest performance. Or rather, the Jackson Four’s greatest performance.’

Michael’s body is now expected to be placed in a closed coffin on a raised plinth during the funeral service at the Staples Centre in Los Angeles on Tuesday. One of his trademark sequined gloves and a black fedora will be placed on top.

Katherine will decide whether Michael’s children Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year-old Prince Michael II – known as ‘Blanket’ – will attend. If they are there, then sources say they will not be wearing masks.

Dr Tohme, a Lebanese-born businessman, was with the Jackson family at the UCLA hospital when the star died. He became a friend to the family two years ago, after being brought in to help Michael save Neverland, in Santa Barbara, from repossession.

Dr Tohme rejected the idea that Michael, 50, had died of natural causes amid evidence of the singer’s use of prescription drugs. He said: ‘He didn’t have a heart problem. A guy who dances for four hours a day has a heart attack? I will have a heart attack before him.’

Dr Tohme added that Jackson, rather than being left ill by rehearsals, had been reinvigorated by his forthcoming 50-concert tour and had revelled in his visit to London earlier this year to announce his gigs. He said: ‘He was flabbergasted.

'The trip to London changed him, gave him so much confidence. I have never seen anything like it in my life. Never seen anyone mobbed like that. He was full of hope.’

But Dr Tohme revealed that in the days before his death he had warned Michael over his recent weight loss, although he believed the star was generally fit and healthy.

He said: ‘I spoke to him on the Wednesday before his death. I told him he looked to me a little too thin. He had lost some weight.

'But he was working hard, he was dancing for four hours a day. He said he was fine.
Then on Thursday I got a call from a reporter asking if it was true that Michael had a heart attack.

'I didn’t know. I tried to call and nobody answered. I got calls from different media saying he was rushed to UCLA, so I went there. His kids, his mother, his sister were there, none of his brothers at that time.

‘Later Jermaine came in with his wife. And Michael was gone. The hospital staff had already told the family that he was dead.’

He added: ‘Nobody knows what happened. I saw the body and I will never forget it. Everybody was in shock, in tears. We didn’t really talk. All we did was hug and cry. That is what happened.'

He added that Jackson had finally come to rid himself of some of the quirks in his character that had plagued him in recent years.

‘When I first met him in Las Vegas, he was out of touch. Michael was secluded and retreating from everybody. It was just him and his kids. He used to use the wheelchair. I said, let’s get rid of this. You have to realise that you had to baby Michael Jackson. I wanted people to see him as a healthy human being.

‘But he was working. We put a stage in his house in Vegas because before he was practising in the local hotels. He was writing music, working with choreographers. And after we start talking to AEG for the London gigs, I decided Vegas was not the right place for Michael to stay at the time, especially for the children...it is very hot in the summer.

‘LA is where all the action is. I convinced him to move to LA and he took residence at the Bel Air Hotel for three months. Then I rented the house for him. Then we signed the deal with AEG and we went to London – him, his kids, and me – and stayed at the Lanesborough Hotel.’

An estimated one billion television viewers around the globe will see Michael’s funeral along with 17,500 family and friends packed into LA’s Staples Centre and an overflow crowd at the Nokia Theatre across the street.

Randy Phillips, chief executive of AEG Live, said he expected the funeral to be ‘reverential’.

‘Tuesday is not a show, it is a service. We want to hit the right note. It will be a celebration of his life but not a circus. Michael was more of a traditionalist than people realised and we are trying to keep this reverential and tasteful. It’s going to be beautiful,’ he said.

Diana Ross and Elizabeth Taylor have both confirmed they will attend and have been asked to give readings.

The service will include elements of the planned London O2 show. The dancers and musicians who were in the O2 show are likely to perform in front of a large screen showing a film montage of Michael’s life.
'Whether the children go is down to Katherine'

Famed celebrity choreographer Kenny Ortega – producer of hits such as Dirty Dancing, Madonna’s Material Girl video and the High School Musical movies – is helping to pull together the service, along with Ken Ehrlich, the award-winning producer of the Emmys and the Grammys.

At present, Michael’s body is in a sealed mortuary at the Forest Lawn Cemetery in Burbank, California, 11 miles from the Staples Centre. But Mr Phillips cast doubt on whether the star’s coffin would actually be at the service.

Mr Phillips said: ‘We are still trying to figure out the logistics of getting Michael to the arena if, indeed, that is what happens. There will be no funeral procession. Whatever happens, it is about Michael’s spirit and his life. Even if the body is not there, he will be there in spirit.’

Another source said: ‘The plan is for the make-up artist to attend to him in the mortuary in the early hours of Tuesday morning. We are looking at ways for the family to say their final farewells in private, with the coffin open. Katherine has said that she wishes to place a memento from each of the children in the coffin, perhaps a toy or item of clothing, along with letters from the children and a photograph of them all together with their father.

‘She would like the coffin to be in the arena during the service, with one of Michael’s trademark sequined gloves and a black fedora on top. She thinks that would be a powerful and fitting image
‘We are trying to figure out how to transport the coffin from the mortuary to downtown LA. At the moment, it could be done via an unmarked police car or possibly flown in by helicopter.

'But nothing is set in stone. Katherine is changing her mind all the time about whether the coffin should even be there or not.

‘Whether the children attend or not will be down to Katherine. The older two have said they would like to be there. Blanket is the youngest and she is concerned that he might be frightened by all the attention.

‘One thing is for sure. Those kids will not be wearing masks if they do attend.’
Made up for his coffin

Michael Jackson’s long-term make-up artist Karen Faye will carefully prepare her boss for his funeral.

She will glue on individual fake eyelashes, followed by three coats of his favourite extra-dark Maybelline Great Lash mascara in blackest black.

A well-worn Chanel kohl pencil will be used to outline the rims of his eyes.

Next, she will apply a coat of pale foundation, translucent powder and Clarins rose-pink lipstick before she puts on his jet-black wig of real hair. Karen, 53, said: ‘It is important Michael looks good.’
Did he really design tickets?

AEG chief executive Randy Phillips last night angrily dismissed claims that the company was cynically trying to cash in by offering fans souvenir tickets for Michael Jackson’s London shows instead of a full refund.

Everyone who has paid for a ticket will get either a full refund or the special hologrammed tickets.

He insisted the dancing hologram on the tickets had been created by the dead star, saying: ‘Michael was involved in every aspect of designing those tickets. It was his idea to come up with the dancing hologram of himself on the front. We didn’t just come up with this idea after he died.
‘These are the real tickets, they were ready to be put in the post when he died. My art director and head of marketing were ready to jump out of the window of their offices at one stage because it took Michael four weeks to approve the eight designs featured on the tickets.

'Ok, he didn’t draw the designs himself but he came up with the idea and told our art director what he wanted. It was his creative vision.’

There are eight different ticket designs. People will receive the actual ticket they would have received – with the date and seat number printed on the back.

Mr Phillips added: ‘We have talked to all four major ticket agencies. None of the tickets has been released yet. That will start after the funeral.’
 
Some background on Murray in case anyone missed it. He was promoting an energy drink at one time.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/51133117.html



The more John Thomas talked about his friend, Dr. Conrad Murray, the sadder he became.

Just three days before reports flashed around the world that the 56-year-old Las Vegas cardiologist's CPR attempts were unsuccessful in keeping Michael Jackson alive, Thomas had phoned Murray to invite him to the opening of the International MMA Fight Club gym in Las Vegas.

"He couldn't have been happier then," said Thomas, staring at the floor Wednesday in the gym on Spring Mountain Road that also serves as the Southern Nevada office of Pit Bull energy products.

"He was apologetic about not being able to come to the opening, but he said he was busy with Michael."

The Pit Bull business is what binds the two men together.

Thomas, 51, is the regional sales director for the energy drink. Murray invested with a distributorship that brought the drink to his native country of Trinidad.

Thomas said the two met about five years ago through a mutual friend, financier Fabian Vincent, during filming of a Pit Bull commercial.

In his last phone call with Murray, Thomas said last week, it was evident how much Murray "liked being in the limelight, meeting all the celebrities."

And it was clear to Thomas that the $150,000 a month Murray said he was getting from Jackson was helping him through "some of the financial troubles he talked about."

"He sounded great, really upbeat," Thomas said.

Since they last spoke, Murray has become a central figure in a police investigation into the entertainer's death. That has resulted in a media portrait of the cardiologist that Thomas doesn't recognize.

Attempts to get Murray's comments were unsuccessful.

Under the headline, "DOC LIKES TO PARTY," The Sun, a British tabloid, described Murray as a hard-drinking party animal who, when he isn't promoting Pit Bull, chases younger women.

One woman identified as a "promotions girl" said he enjoyed the models he took with him to the Caribbean: "He had a ball with them. He was up into the early hours drinking and having fun and took a particular shine to one ... at least 20 years younger than him."

"He enjoyed posing bare chested with the girls," she was quoted as saying.

On FOX News, Geraldo Rivera described Murray as cavorting with Las Vegas models he flew to Trinidad to help him promote "a very unhealthy" energy drink.

As the investigation into Jackson's death unfolds in the public eye, and Murray is more frequently mentioned in tabloids and on celebrity gossip Web sites, other people associated with him in Las Vegas are trying to square the man they knew with the profile emerging in the media.

Karen Chacon, one of the models Murray helped select for the Pit Bull promotion in Trinidad in 2005, said Murray was "very respectful of the models."

"If he had a relationship with anyone, that was up to him and the model," she said.

Chacon said while Murray drank alcohol, she never saw him get drunk.

"He knew when to stop. He was very professional."

Dr. Lydia O'Connor-Sanders, a Las Vegas family practitioner and longtime Michael Jackson fan, said her own experiences with Murray make her eager to read everything about him.

At first, she said, Murray was nice "to someone just starting out," allowing her in 2004 to set up an office in the practice he shared with another doctor on East Flamingo Road. She paid a third of the rent. Repeatedly, she said, Murray tried to get her and her daughter to buy Pit Bull.

"In a nice way," she said.

"I referred patients to him for tests. I found him very pleasant and professional."

But less than a year later, she said, Murray and his colleague gave her two weeks notice that they were moving out.

"I was left holding the bag on that space," O'Connor-Sanders said. "I had to do some begging and quick talking to the leasing manager."

It was that kind of behavior, she said, that made her think that he was capable of running away from debts.

Murray has left a trail of legal and financial troubles during his 10 years in Las Vegas.

Judgments or liens totaling about $450,000 were rendered against Murray from finance and leasing firms and for failure to pay child support and student loans.

Two pending lawsuits against him, brought by Digirad Imaging Solutions and Siemens Financial Services, are seeking judgments totalling more than $366,000.

If Murray was troubled by his legal and financial troubles, O'Connor-Sanders said she didn't see it in 2004.

"I remember how happy he was when he got a new Mercedes convertible and he drove it to the office and showed it to everyone. He got a new white lab coat from his office with his name on it so he could drive around town and show everybody that he was a doctor who made it."

When O'Connor-Sanders went to Los Angeles for a week to mourn Jackson's death, she was interviewed by a TV reporter. She wondered why the man she knew as a competent cardiologist only performed manual CPR, as has been reported in the media.

"You would have thought he would have had much more on hand for an emergency," O'Connor-Sanders said. "There are so many questions that need answering."

Val Dorsey, who runs Val's Cafe near Murray's Global Cardiovascular Associates office on East Flamingo Road near Eastern Avenue, doesn't believe the media portrayal of the physician who often stopped by her eatery.

"He's the nicest man you'll ever want to meet," she said. "He's very polite and friendly."

Vincent, a Bank of George vice president who said he's a longtime friend of Murray, finds it "terribly sad" what Murray is going through.

Vincent said he was part owner of a distribution company that was set up to bring Pit Bull to Trinidad. Murray invested heavily in the company which he said went out of business in 2007, Vincent said.

"Dr. Murray is an outstanding individual," Vincent said. "He's a reputable physician in Las Vegas."

Still, Vincent said he didn't want to talk at length about his relationship with his friend.

Thomas, however, doesn't want to stop talking about Murray, particularly his relationship with Pit Bull.

As he sat with two cans of the energy drink on his knee, he worried that Pit Bull sales worldwide could be crippled by an unfair association with Murray.

"I've already lost two distributors," Thomas said. "And I think the main reason why is because The Sun and Geraldo said Dr. Murray was a big investor or promoter of Pit Bull. It's all over the Internet."

Thomas said Jackson fans don't want to drink something they think is owned by someone who was so close to Jackson when he died.

But Murray didn't invest directly in Pit Bull, Thomas said. "He invested in a distribution company that would bring Pit Bull, bottled water and candies to Trinidad. There's a big difference."

J.D. Michaux, a spokeswoman at Pit Bull's corporate offices in Los Angeles, said the owner of the company is "highly upset" that his drink "is being tied" to Murray.

"It's definitely hurting sales among Michael Jackson fans." She said the company wants "everybody to know" the distinction between investing in the drink itself and the distribution company.

Thomas said Murray's interest in Pit Bull grew after they met during the filming of a commercial for the drink in Las Vegas.

"He particularly liked that our sugar free drink can be used by diabetics," Thomas said. "Being a doctor, he would never promote anything unhealthy."

Often, Thomas said, he would be with Murray when the doctor took the Pit Bull energy drink to other doctors for a taste test.

"And when his son was on a sports team, he took it there, too."

Frequently, Thomas said, he and Murray ate at local restaurants, including the steak house at the Palms and the El Patron on Flamingo Road. He only met Murray's wife once and described her as a "housewife" who took care of the couple's young boy and girl.

"He really liked to eat out more than anything," he said. "Most of the time it seemed he was a workaholic either here or at his Houston office."

Thomas said Murray has a big heart.

"I have high blood pressure, and every time I came by his office he had his staff check it at no cost. And one time, when he learned that the sponsor of the girl who won Miss USA International dropped his financial support for a trip to the Dominican Republic, he gave her $4,000 for the trip and hotel and to cover her gowns and outfits."

Thomas said he wasn't surprised when he found Murray became Jackson's personal physician.

"One time when Michael was in town, Dr. Murray said he helped his (Jackson's) daughter," he said. Thomas said Murray did not detail the nature of this help.

Thomas said he doesn't know what kind of money problems Murray had, only that he mentioned them.

Stories about Jackson having several doctors, as well as a prescription drug habit, worries Thomas.

"It's hard to say 'no' when the man who is doing the asking is also paying you," he said of the relationship between Murray and Jackson. "I don't know too many people who can say 'no' to $150,000 a month."
 
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just want to clarify murrays seperate stories. first one he finds mj at 11am after going to the toliet for 2 mins. second one he comes up with after the phonecalls he made are made known. was that he was on the phone with his GF and noticed mj? is that right. cause i was wondering if i got the toliet story mixed up with the second timeline he gave?
 
wrong section for discussing that. needs to be done in the conspiracy section. halperine also said he was blind and had skin cancer and couldnt walk or talk

I am becoming increasingly aware of those who are reliable sources to listen to and those who are not. Ian Halperine is one to not trust given his past record of statements!!!:doh:

I am learning.....thanks for bearing with me.:yes:
 
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