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Why can't we hire our own expert? (updated on page 3)

TheMan1998

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I'm sure we're all sick of all this debate regarding the authenticity of the Cascio tracks, causing fans battling and insulting each other. I was wondering if for once and for all we could try to put an end to all this by hiring our own Forensic Audio Expert/Musicologist that will professionally analyze the 3 Cascio tracks comparing them to other authentic recording and see if he could come to a conclusion. Check this guy 's website:


Of course there are many other experts. And we need to make sure that we will not end up hiring the same expects that Sony/the Estate has hired.

The only questions remaining:

1. Will you be willing to take part in this, by means of taking part in financing this?

2. Will the results satisfy you? I mean will the final conclusion by this expert change your mind for good?

3. How much this kind of investigation should cost?

For the third question, If you want I can contact a few of those companies that provide this kind of service and ask for a quotation

What do you guys think? We can do this on behalf of MJJC and present the results to Sony/The estate and see what they have to say about it. In case the results will confirm that it is not Michael's voice, we could even file a lawsuit, or simply send an official apology to Sony if it will be proven otherwise...

So, what do you think? Should we start a poll about this?

L.O.V.E
 
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One more thing, we could contact Sony and ask them for the raw vocals, to make the expert's job more accurate..
 
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TheMan1998 said:
One more thing, we could contact Sony and ask them for the raw vocals, to make the expert's job more accurate..
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Good luck with that. And In my onpion the price will be about 800-1000 pounds.
 
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Gugu_134 said:
Good luck with that. And In my onpion the price will be about 800-1000 pounds.
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Do we not need the master recordings or something to be tested on?

If not then i'm all for taking part in this! I think they should be contacted and we can find a price and stuff!
 
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I agree...Depends on the price...But I wouldn't mind being involved...
 
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If you don't fear the truth...it's the way to go !
 
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that guy's resume is very impressive.

I think before starting a poll you should contact him and describe the job and ask how much it will cost, so that people know what kind of expenses to expect.
 
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Should we contact people from other forums/communities then? split the cost more?
 
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If a lot of fans agree to do that i am ready to involved and give finance

I think in this case fans of the two groups will agree to gather
 
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you might also want to speak to a number of specialists, particularly:
Tom Owen, Owl Investigations - NJ, USA (It's possible/probable that Tom did the analysis for the estate/Sony)
Jeffrey Smith, University of Colorado, Denver - Denver, CO, USA
Robert Maher, Montana State University - Bozeman, MT, USA
Durand Begault, Audio Forensic Center. - San Francisco, CA, USA

Any voiceprint comparison will only be indicative and not necessarily conclusive.

Quality of the analysis will depend on quality of audio source samples (as well as the specific expertise, experience and specialities of the examiner).

And don't hire anyone who is not a member of the AES
 
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Great idea, but I wonder if Sony/Estate will give us access to the raw material. If we had that raw material, I guess most of us will be in a better position to make final comments on this matter.

Gaz is in close contact with the Estate. He is the one to help us in this matter, for I doubt they will be willing to handle those master recordings to any single person saying they want to have a look at them.

In fact, we ALL need to hear those original recordings.

So... any other ideas?
 
The best expert possible is seth Riggs. Why in the world has noone asked him yet? That´s way behind my understanding. Personally, I would trust Seth more than anybody, because he REALLY knows MJ´s voice better than anyone IMHO!
 
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This is a great idea and I'm all for it, depending on the price!

How accurate can these analyzes actually get? I mean if the expert would indeed say..., well anything, how sure can one be that he's right?
 
Mr. Norway;3142416 said:
The best expert possible is seth Riggs. Why in the world has noone asked him yet? That´s way behind my understanding. Personally, I would trust Seth more than anybody, because he REALLY knows MJ´s voice better than anyone IMHO!
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I totally agree...I think someone tried to email him or contact him in some way when this all started...not sure of the outcome..obviously, nothing really came of it, because I'm sure we would have heard by now...
 
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Yes, I'm interested in supporting this.

We should set up a donation drive, the more fans, the less it will cost :)

Let's all put our money where our mouth is - whatever side of the debate you sit on!
 
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Not to be a downer, but unless you can pony up the cash to get Sony's masters, the results will hardly be accurate.
 
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Has anyone asked Sony yet? Has anyone contacted Seth Riggs?
 
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If you ever want to go this road

First ask if the masters are needed - if the answer is yes that they are needed as I don't assume that Sony will hand those out - it will be a waste of money as you wouldn't be able to get a real comparison and real result.

If they are not needed then compare prices with several alternatives.

and a note although Seth Riggs could be knowledgeable about Michael's vocals he's a vocals coach, he probably is not experienced about forensic comparison techniques that the experts use and he might just be able to give an opinion not an objective analysis.
 
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I think a lot of people tried to contact Seth Riggs when it started. I also emailed him asking for his opinion on the vocals. But he never replied...
 
ivy;3142518 said:
If you ever want to go this road

and a note although Seth Riggs could be knowledgeable about Michael's vocals he's a vocals coach, he probably is not experienced about forensic comparison techniques that the experts use and he might just be able to give an opinion not an objective analysis.
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- I think you´re right about that but all i had needed, personally, was Seth´s opinion. Heis the one I had trusted. If Seth had said it was Michael it IS Michael, you know. It´s really 2bad he doesn´t bother answering anybody or giving any comments, cos´he´s really needed these days.
 
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I'll echo what a few others have said; even if we fans did put together a collection plate for something like this, I think it'd be necessary for us to have the raw and unedited vocals for the tracks in question - and I've already heard conflicting stories in regards to the original vocals. Someone should ask what specifically an expert would need to analyze, would simple recordings be enough, would they need acapellas, or would the vocals need to be raw and unprocessed (which I imagine we'd have to get from Teddy Riley/The Cascios/Sony/The Estate).
 
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Ive been a fan of Michael Jackson since I was 8 years old thats how long Ive been listening to the man... I dont think I need an expert to tell me that ish is not Michael singing.
 
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I have been thinking something like this too. If it can be done, I sure would be interested in the results.
 
Mr. Norway;3142744 said:
- I think you´re right about that but all i had needed, personally, was Seth´s opinion. Heis the one I had trusted. If Seth had said it was Michael it IS Michael, you know. It´s really 2bad he doesn´t bother answering anybody or giving any comments, cos´he´s really needed these days.
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Ivy is absolutely right

Seth is a vocal coach NOT a scientific
Where was the last time he has coached MJ
If the impersonator is very good its likely seth doesnt recognise the voice or he can be confused

A lot of fans have been listening to michael 's music for at least 25 years and some believe it is him some other dont
Seth 's opinion is not worth for this issue ONLY a scientific one

But if you want to believe seth then be free but as long as there are no SCIENTIFIC proof given to us fans will continu to be divided
 
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