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    Default Murray Trial _ All daily trial Summaries - No discussion November 7/ Verdict announced

    September 23, 2011 Jury Selection Report

    84 jury candidates were brought in for selection process. 10 jury candidates were quickly dismissed because they said they could no longer serve on such a long case. The personality and life of Michael Jackson dominated much of the jury questioning.

    Conrad Murray’s defense team asked potential jurors:
    - Do you believe Michael Jackson is less capable of making decisions that somebody else his age?
    - If Michael Jackson was "childlike...not capable of making decisions?"
    - Does anybody think that Michael Jackson should be held to a different standard of responsibility?
    - Does anybody believe that Dr. Murray is partially responsible for Michael Jackson ‘s death?

    Prosecution asked if the jurors could convict Murray if they found Michael Jackson had contributed to his own death. Jurors were given a hypothetical situation where a reckless driver runs a red light and kills a pedestrian who was “also not being safe as he could be and steps out in front of a car.” “You could say the driver is not 100% responsible, but he did play a substantial role,” DA Walgren said. “Could you find him guilty?” he asked to the jurors.

    12 Jurors selected consists of 7 men and 5 women. 6 of the jurors are White, 5 of the jurors are Hispanic and 1 is African American. 5 alternate jurors (3 women, 2 men) were also selected.

    Below are basic information about the 12 jurors.

    Juror #127 Mexican-American female, 54, property manager, has a daughter who was an alcohol and drug user 5 years ago, thinks famous people are treated differently in court. She loved MJ's music as a girl.

    Juror #145 White male, 45, partner in management consulting firm, wife is pediatric nurse at a hospital, served twice on a jury, watched "This is It".

    Juror #61 White female, 57, unemployed, worked in past for Red Cross, followed the OJ trial, her younger brother uses drugs, served 5 times on a jury.

    Juror #70 White male, 54, college professor of animation and art, created characters for motion pictures at Disney, followed OJ trial, convicted of DUI, thinks celebs are not treated the same by police and can bend rules. MJ fan.

    Juror #44 Cuban/Mexican-White, family members with alcohol addiction, served on a civil jury, fan of MJ, especially Thriller.

    Juror #49 White female, 43, head of communications for international marketing firm, served as juror in child sexual abuse case, does not think cops are more lenient with celebs.

    Juror #100 white female, 48, paralegal for 30 years, watched Casey Anthony trial, brother is an EMT, people of wealth and fame treated differently in court system.

    Juror #52 Mexican male, 51, USPS letter carrier, wife is back-office medical assistant, fan of MJ.

    Juror #99 Hispanic male, 42, school bus driver, father was addicted to alcohol, father-in-law died from alcohol abuse, served on a jury, MJ fan.

    Juror #38 Hispanic female, 36, customer service rep, watched Casey Anthony trial , former employer is a doctor, father was an absent alcoholic, served on a DUI jury, MJ fan.

    Jury #128 African American male, 54, technical director for TV, has cousin is a judge and another cousin who's a lawyer, his dad died of alcoholism, juror on 3 cases, loved the Jackson 5 as a kid, now likes Jay Z.

    Juror #108 White male 32, book seller, juror in civil trial, trained actor, MJ fan.

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    Default Re: The Case - Daily Summaries. Latest Update: September 23rd Jury Selection

    Murray Trial Day 1 - September 27 , 2011

    Hearing started approximately 30 minutes late. Judge Pastor explained the reason as traffic and problem with the elevators. Trial started with Judge Pastor explaining jurors the process, breaks , taking notes and what is an opening statement.

    Prosecution Opening Statement

    DA Walgren started his opening statement. He used a presentation to accompany the points he’s making. In the presentation he showed a picture of Michael lying in a gurney - most probably taken at the hospital after revival attempts.

    DA Walgren “Evidence will show that Michael Jackson literally put his life in the hands of Conrad Murray. Michael Jackson trusted his life to medical skills of Conrad Murray. That misplaced trust was a too high of a price to pay.” DA Walgren states that Dr. Murray’s actions led to MJ’s death.

    DA Walgren explains what Michael was doing in months before his death. Walgren mentions that Michael was getting ready for his comeback tour TII, mentions rehearsals and that Michael was living in 100 N Carolwood with his children.

    Walgren mentions that Michael and Dr. Murray met in 2006 in Vegas and maintained contact. At the time Michael Jackson died, Dr. Conrad Murray was not board-certified in any medical specialty. In March 2009 Michael asked Dr. Murray to accompany him on tour. Murray agreed and requested to be paid $5 Million a year. They offered him $150,000 a month. Murray's duties included to perform general medical care, emergency medical care. He would have received $150,000 , airfare to UK and housing. He would have been hired as an independent contractor. At the time Michael died the contract was not signed by Michael or AEG.

    DA Walgren explains Propofol to the jurors. Walgren tells that it's not a sleep agent , it's anesthesia. Walgren goes over good and bad qualities of Propofol and tells the dangers. DA Walgren mentions Murray lied to pharmacists Tim Lopez and told him that he had a clinic and patients in California. Walgren starts listing Murray's Propofol orders and how they were sent to Murray's girlfriend Nicole Alvarez's house.

    DA Walgren plays a part of an audio Murray recorded on is iPhone on May 10. Walgren mentions that Murray was recording Michael who was under influence of a unknown drug. Walgren states that this shows that the Murray knew the effect of his treatment on Michael, yet continued to order Propofol.

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    The recording said:

    “We have to be phenomenal. When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, “I’ve never seen anything like this in my life.

    "Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world. I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world, Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital.”

    Between April 6, 2009, and the time of Michael Jackson's death on June 25, Dr. Conrad Murray ordered enough propofol to give Jackson 1,937 milligrams a day, prosecutor David Walgren told jurors in his opening statement.

    June 19, 2009. Michael was not in good shape. He had chills, he was rambling and trembling. Kenny Ortega put a blanket on him, massaged his feet, fed him chicken and then made him go home early.

    June 20, 2009. There was a meeting about Michael's health. DA Walgren says that Dr. Murray scolded Kenny Ortega. " I'm the doctor not you. You direct the show leave MJ's health to me."

    June 23, June 24, 2009. Michael had good rehearsals. He's fine, strong and optimistic.

    June 25, 2009. Michael comes home around 1 AM. DA Walgren shows pictures of the house, layout, inside the rooms.

    DA Walgren shows a list of Murray's phone calls and emails. Walgren mentions the 11:51 phone call with Sade Anding and tells that 5 minutes into the phone call that Sade Anding heard a commotion and Murray stopped talking to her. DA Walgren says for 11:56 - 11:57 AM ""This is likely the time Conrad Murray first noticed Michael Jackson's lifeless body".

    Walgren says that Dr. Murray called Michael Amir Williams (MAW) at 12:12PM. MAW returned Murray's call at 12:13 PM. Dr. Murray told him to come to house, he didn't ask him to call 911. MAW called Alberto Alvarez and told him to go into the house. When Alberto came into the room Murray told him to collect the vials and saline bag on the IV. 911 was called at 12:20 PM.

    Paramedics arrived at 12:26 PM, they tried their best but Michael was gone. Paramedics asked Murray what he gave to Michael. Murray said Lorazepam and he didn't mention Propofol. Paramedics was on call with UCLA and UCLA wanted to announce Michael death on the scene. Murray wanted Michael to be transferred to UCLA. When they arrived UCLA doctors asked Murray what Michael was taking and what he gave to Michael. Murray told the doctors that Michael was taking Valium and Flomax and he gave Michael Lorazepam. Again Murray does not mention Propofol to the doctors. Michael is announced dead at 2:26 PM at UCLA.

    2 days after Michael's death LAPD interviews Murray. At that time the tox results wasn't back and there was no visible trauma so the detectives did not know the reason of Michael's death. This is the first time that Murray mentions Propofol and tells his version of the events.

    According to Murray all the drugs he gave to Michael did not work. At 10 AM Michael tells Murray that he would cancel the rehearsal and he wouldn't need to get up at 12:00PM. After that Murray decided to give Michael Propofol. Murray claims he gave Michael 25 mg of Propofol. When Michael was lying in bed with all the drugs in his system Murray emails the insurance broker saying that Michael is fine.

    Walgreen discusses issue of standard of care. DA Walgren explains gross negligence to the jurors and gives examples of Murray's actions that account to gross negligence. These are
    - No written standard of care / risks / consent form
    - Not calling 911 (especially when calling 911 is basic common sense)
    - Employee / employer relationship and Murray not working for the best interest of Michael but working for $150,000. He did not use sound medical judgement.
    - Deceived paramedics by not disclosing Propofol
    - Deceived emergency room doctors by not disclosing Propofol

    Murray had legal duty of care to do no harm to Michael Jackson. Murray with his eyes on $150K agreed to provide him massive aounts of propofol with complete disregard to all medical standards. Murray abandoned Michael on June 25. Filled with drugs, no monitoring equipment, no resuscitation equipment, left him all alone. It's clear that Murray abandoned Michael when he needed help.

    Pictures shown during the Prosecution Opening Statement

    Saline Bag and Propofol bottle that Murray asked Alvarez to collect


    urine jug

    IV stand


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    Default Re: Murray Trial - Daily Summaries Thread - Update September 27 DAY 1

    Murray Defense Opening Statement

    - Chernoff argues that Michael was frustrated and desperate to sleep and took 8 2 mg Lorazepam pills without Murray’s knowledge. It was an act that caused his own death.

    - Chernoff believes that scientific evidence will show that Michael administered Propofol when Murray left the room and with the Lorazepam in his body it created the perfect storm and killed him instantly. He couldn’t even close his eyes.

    - When Murray found Michael, there was no way to bring him back.

    - 2 questions
    o How did Michael get to this (desperate) point?
    o What happened when Dr. Murray was out of the room?

    - TII would be creating history. It would be a world tour and movies. Michael would earn a lot of money. It was dependent on Michael doing TII shows but he was never able to do this shows. He had a problem that would not be resolved by any determination or talent. He knew he needed help and he went looking for help in Spring 2009.

    - Summer 08 initial negotiations of TII. October 08 meeting. Michael cried at that meeting said he was tired of being a vagabond. January 09 signing the contract. Michael was afraid he wouldn't sell the tickets. It sold quickly. Increase the shows to 50 on 2 conditions: 1 - house for him and his children and 2- Guinness world book of records would be there to record. 50 year old man 50 shows in one arena over 1 million people. This was it for him. He named the tour himself.

    - Murray is not a celebrity doctor. He has 2 practices, he performs angioplasty surgeries. Those require anesthesia. He saves lives. They will bring patients of Murray to testify. Chernoff states that Murray is not greedy and provides service for free.

    - One of MJ's bodyguards knew Murray; he was called to the hotels to look after his children were sick. They would become friends first. Michael would tell him about his childhood, dreams etc. From 2006 to 2008 Murray treated Michael for things like toe fungus, broken foot, checked his heart, his liver. Michael told Murray twice he had anxiety and problems with sleeping. Murray prescribed him sleep medicine but it wasn't effective for Michael.

    - Michael didn't have insomnia. Michael Jackson had an absolute and through inability to sleep, not for minutes, hours. It was for days.

    - June 27 meeting with the police. Defense only selected the location. 9 of the other witnesses also had lawyers. Detective Smith had already spoken to everyone before he spoke to Murray. There was no limitations in regards to questions or time. He answered every question. In that interview Murray said he said to the detectives he didn't know what killed Michael Jackson and he wanted to know as well.

    - In this interview Dr. Murray told detectives about Michael's sleep problems. Michael Jackson told Murray he had inability to sleep and he could only sleep on Propofol and he always slept on Propofol when he was touring. Michael Jackson explained how to give Propofol. Murray told detectives he agreed to give Michael propofol to help him sleep. He said that he was concerned that Michael would use Propofol without him.

    - Murray provided Michael Propofol for 2 months. For 2 months Michael slept, woke up and went to work. Chernoff states that Michael Jackson dies when Murray stopped giving Michael Propofol.

    - Murray told detectives his goal was to find a way for Michael to sleep normally. He says that he said to Michael he can't continue using Propofol, what would happen once his tour over and let him try other sedatives - something else to sleep.

    - Midazolam and Lorazepam was ordered as well as Murray hoped to switch Michael to those sedatives.

    - The day Michael died was 3rd day of wean process from Propofol. On that day the goal was not to give Michael any Propofol, Murray refused to give Propofol and gave Michael Midazolam and Lorazepam.

    - 10 AM Michael started to begging for Propofol. Murray was confused and couldn't understand why Michael wasn't able to sleep as he slept last night. Murray checked under the covers to make sure the medicine he was giving was reaching to Michael's system.

    - Michael compartmentalized his life. Different people in his life didn't know much about other parts of his life. Murray didn't know what Michael did during the day.

    - Klein dermatologist. Michael would visit Klein 3-4 times a week. From medical records he would get Botox etc, and he would receive a shot of Demerol ranging from 100 mg to 300 mg. Sometimes 1000 mg of a week.

    - They would present a witness about addiction. This witness will say that Klein addicted Michael to Demerol and one effect of Demerol addiction or withdrawal is inability to sleep.

    - Murray didn't know about Demerol.

    - Michael received a shot of Demerol on 16th june, attended a rehearsal same day. Attended a rehearsal on June 17th. Missed the June 18th rehearsal and was sick on June 19. Defense expert will explain that he believes this to be Demerol withdrawal.

    - Michael told the result for his insomnia was he was always thinking, creating.

    - Murray told investigators that he knew Michael had to be up at 12 PM and that's why he only gave 25 mg Propofol to Michael around 10 AM. He knew that Michael had Midazolam and Lorazepam in his system. Michael told Murray he needed sleep and he need to do his rehearsal or they would cancel his show. There had been 3 meetings so Murray knew he needed to sleep.

    - Chernoff states that scientific information will show that by the time Murray left the room, there was no Propofol in Michael Jackson's system.

    - Chernoff mentions defense witness Paul White , "father of Propofol". Explains Propofol. Chernoff says that their witness will tell that there was no risk with the amount of Propofol that Murray gave to Michael. White would tell that what Murray gave to Michael could not kill him.

    - Chernoff says that there was no drip so the question becomes how did Michael Jackson get more Propofol. Defense says that they believe Michael gave himself that Propofol.

    - Chernoff says the defense tested Lorazepam levels in Michael's stomach and it was 4 times higher than the levels in his blood. Chernoff say that he believes this could only happen if Michael was swallowing Lorazepam.

    - Defense believes that Michael wanted to sleep and frustrated that he couldn't sleep and his doctor refusing to give him Propofol he swallowed Lorazepam (up to 8 pills) while Murray was outside the room. Murray geva him Propofol unknowingly and then when he's out of the room Michael gave himself another dose of Porpofol.

    - Chernoff states that the events are tragic, but Murray is not guilty and they would ask for an acquittal.

    Kenny Ortega testimony

    - Ortega states he has been a director since the 1980s, a choreographer since the 1970s. He first met MJ in 1990, MJ called him to work on the Dangerous tour. He was a co-creator and director of production, as well as the History tour. For History tour, he supervised choreography, MJ did most of it. Ortega stated he was also responsible for costuming and lighting and the same for the This Is It tour. MJ and Ortega had been in touch for the last few years before MJ died. AEG told Ortega that MJ wanted Ortega for the This Is It tour, then MJ told Ortega himself. Ortega stressed that MJ was excited for This Is It, and that MJ said this is the time to do it.

    - Ortega started working in the middle of April '09 on This Is It. MJ was heavily involved.

    -Ortega states that Michael had several reasons for wanting to tour now. First, Michael's children had taken in interest in his music and his performances, Michael felt the kids would now appreciate live performances. Second, he wanted to do a tour for his fans. Michael was allowing his fans to choose the songs which would be performed on This Is It. Third, Michael felt that his environmental songs, such as Heal the World and Earth Song, were just as important or more important now that when they were written and performed.

    - Preparation for This is It started as Center Stages In Burbank. Ortega, MJ and Travis Payne were conceptualizing the tour. Ortega states at this point, he was meeting with MJ 3 to 4 times a week.

    - Rehearsals began at the Forum in LA in the beginning of June, '09. Michael's children did not attend rehearsals because he wanted them to focus on school. The rehearsals lasted 5-7 hours, from late afternoon until evening. There was stating, tech work, lighting and musical rehearsals done by MJ.

    -Ortega states he met Murray in April or May of '09. MJ introduced Ortega to Murray at his home on Carolwood Drive. Murray came to rehearsal rarely; never at Center Stages, once at the Forum and never at Staples.

    -MJ was not showing up for rehearsals in the middle of June, the last week at the Forum. Ortega was told it was a scheduling problem, and that there was a "continued absence".

    - Friday, June 19, while still at the Forum, Ortega says MJ "wasn't right, wasn't well". He was chilled, appeared "lost and a little incoherent". Ortega states he gave MJ some food, wrapped him in blankets and gave him a heater. Michael, according to Ortega, asked him if he could sit and watch the performance, with Travis Payne filling in for MJ. Ortega agreed. Ortega emphasizes that he'd never seen MJ like that, and that he suggested Michael go home.

    -Ortega is asked about an email that was sent to Randy Phillips at AEG Live on June 21, 09. In the email, Ortega reiterates that Michael was ill, chilled and was sent home. Ortega also states that MJ will need psychological help and lots of nurturing.

    Text of the email


    I will do whatever I can to be of help with this situation. If you need me to come to the house, just give me a call in the morning. My concern is now that we've brought the doctor into the fold and have played the tough love, now or never card is that the artist may be unable to rise to the occasion due to real emotional stuff. He appeared quite weak and fatigued this evening. He had a terrible case of the chills, was trembling, rambling and obsessing. Everything in me says he should be psychologically evaluated. If we have any chance at all to get him back in the light. It's going to take a strong therapist to help him through this as well as immediate physical nurturing. I was told by our chereographer that during the artists costume fitting with his designer tonight they noticed he's lost more weight. As far as i can tell there is no one taking care responsibility (caring for) for him on a daily basis. Where was his assistant tonight? Tonight I was feeding him, wrapping him in blankets to warm his chills, massaging his feet to calm him and calling his doctor. There were four security guards outside his door, but no one offering him a cup of hot tea. Finally it's important for everyone to know , I believe that he really wants this. I twould shatter him, Break his heart if we pulled the plug. He's terribly frightened it's all going to go away. He asked me repeatedly tonight if i was going to leave him. H e was practically begging for my confidence. It broke my heart. H e was like a lost boy. There still may be a chance he can rise to the occasion if we get him the help he needs


    - Ortega states that there was a meeting on 6/19, with the heads of AEG, Randy Phillips and Gongaware. Ortega heard that Phillips and Gongaware told MJ that if he didn't start showing up to rehearsals, the This Is It tour would be cancelled.

    -On 6/20/09, Ortega is asked to go to MJ's house for a meeting with Randy Phillips, Frank Dileo, Conrad Murray and MJ. The topic is that Murray is upset that Ortega home. Murray tells Ortega that he should stop being an amateur doctor, and leave that to Murray. Ortega clarifies that he did not make the decision to send Michael home on the rehearsal date 6/19, it was a mutual decision between Ortega and MJ. Ortega states that Murray's demeanor is stern.

    -Ortega states there were no rehearsals on 6/21 or 6/22. On 6/23, This Is It performance is shown, The Way You Make Me Feel, MJ wearing a red and a blue shirt. On 6/24, MJ is fully involved, a full participant. Earth Song on This Is It was done on 6/24, the very last rehearsal that Michael did before he died. MJ is wearing a black jacket and black sweats. Ortega states that the last time he saw MJ, he told him he loved him, and MJ said I love you more.

    -Ortega tells the prosecutor that MJ had plans for This Is It beyond the London tour. He planned on touring to the US. He also planned on making movies; a full length Thriller and the Legs Diamond story, which Smooth Criminal is based on.

    -Ortega states on 6/25 that the illusion part of This is It was supposed to happen that day. MJ was supposed to stand on a bed, flames were supposed to shoot up and MJ was disappear. He would reappear on a cherry picker above the crowd.

    -On cross examination, Ortega denies that he told Karen Faye that he "read Michael the riot act" or "don't placate him".

    Paul Gongaware Testimony

    - Gongaware is the co-CEO of AEG. AEG was the producer and promoter of TII.

    - Gongaware states that he was also involved with Michael’s Dangerous and History tours.

    - They contracted 31 shows because Michael wanted to do 10 more shows than Prince.

    - They put 10 show tickets on sale just to engage how strong the sales are going to be. It was sold out instantly. Then they put the rest of the shows on sale and increased the concert number to 50.

    - Michael said that he would do 50 shows.

    - All 50 shows were sold out and even after that there were 250,000 people still in que for tickets. They could have sold out another 50 shows.

    - DA Brazil asks Paul Gongaware to go over Michael’s performance schedule for the upcoming weeks. July 5 rehearsals / 8 shows, August 10 shows / no rehearsal, September 9 shows/no rehearsal, October / November/ December no show / no rehearsal, January 3 rehearsals/10 shows, February 10 shows/no rehearsals, March 3 shows/no rehearsals.\

    - DA Brazil asks Gongaware about a production meeting at Carolwood house. Gongaware says Michael came a little late because he was at Dr. Klein. He seemed little off and little slow than usual. His speech was slurred. Yet he participated to the meeting.

    - Gongaware said that in May Michael told him to hire a personal physician, Dr. Murray, in May. Gongaware called Murray. Murray told him that he had 4 practices that he needed to close and lay off people and asked $5 Million a year to do it. Gongaware told him it would never happen and ended the negotiations. Gongaware believed they could get a more reasonable priced doctor in London. Michael said they needed to look after "the machine" (his body) and wanted Murray.

    - Gongaware received a call from Michael Amir Williams who said that Michael wanted him to hire Dr. Murray. Gongaware heard on the background Michael saying “offer him 150”. He called Dr. Murray again and said that he was authorized to offer him $150,000 a month. Murray accepted.

    - Gongaware asked Murray how will this work as he wasn’t licensed in UK. Murray told him not to worry and he’ll take care of the license. Employment contract was being drafted.

    - Another early June meeting in Carolwood with Ortega, Dileo, Phillips, Gongaware, Murray and Michael. The meeting happened because Kenny Ortega believed that Michael wasn’t at the stage he needed to be and they might not be ready for the show.

    - Gongaware said that the tone in the meeting was great and that Michael wasn’t defensive on the contrary he was engaged. They discussed what they can do to give Michael everything he needs to get to where he needs to be such as health and eating habits.

    Testimony will continue

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    Default Re: Murray Trial - Daily Summaries Thread - Update September 27 DAY 1

    Murray Trial Day 2 - September 28 , 2011

    Morning Session

    Resuming with Paul Gongaware (PG) on the stand. Ms. Brazil is continuing cross examination.

    The recapped schedule for tours. From Jul to Sept there were 27 shows then a break from Oct-Dec. Then there were 23 shows between Jan-Mar. (8 shows in July, 10 in August, 9 in Sept, 10 in Jan, 10 in Feb., and 3 in Mar.)

    After the tour ended in March there were plans to add additional shows but PG stressed these were only plans.

    Early June there was a meeting to discuss MJ's health and stamina attended by MJ, CM, PG, Frank Dileo, Randy Phillips. It was a positive meeting. PG was also aware of the June 20 meeting but did not attend.

    PG saw CM at rehearsals at Forum rehearsal after the early June meeting. PG did not see Murray at other meetings.

    PG saw MJ rehearse on June 24th and 25th and thought MJ was strong, excited, full of energy, and engaged.

    Defense cross examination

    Defense go over PG's history with MJ. PG says he was tour manager of Dangerous and did not see MJ very much. In History tour for the first leg he worked with the promoter and in the second leg he was tour executive. PG talked and interacted with MJ in the second half of History. PG worked on TII from the start.

    Defense brings back the day Michael came from Dr. Klein. PG says he saw a slower speech pattern and a little slur in his speech. PG says he was on the look out for any drug usage by Michael.

    PG says his relationship with Michael was business relationship but friendly. If PG needed to get in touch with MJ, he would see him at rehearsals if MJ was there. Or, if needed, he would go through Michael Amir.

    Meeting in early June was pushed by Kenny Ortega who was concerned that MJ was missing rehearsals.
    PG did not know how many practices CM had, the value of his practices, or what kind of doctor CM was.
    When he turned down $5 mil, Cm did not try to negotiate another price. That was the end oof their correspondence until MJ prompted PG to contact Murray and offer CM $150,000/mo.

    PG did not know Murray was a cardiologist. He did not read the final contract and did not know how long Murray was to receive $150,000. He did not see the completed contract between Murray and AEG. PG was not involved and did not know about the contract between AEG and Murray.

    Defense tried to bring up lawsuit against PG and AEG that is by Katherine and he was shot down.

    Brazil recross

    PG did not know Conrad Murray (CM) gave MJ nightly doses of propofol. CM did not seem surprised that PG was contacting him about his services. He didn't have to explain in depth why he was calling.

    PG says a personal doctor for tour is normal but the $5 million was high in his opinion.

    Defense recross

    PG made a phone call to another doctor to get an idea about acceptable payment.

    MJ said "they needed to take care of the machine." There were no further conversations about any medical needs of MJ.

    Kathy Jorrie Testimony

    Examination of Kathy Jorrie (KJ) is a lawyer with Luce, Forward, Hamilton, Scripps and is in charge of their LA office.

    She was contracted by AEG to draft a contract for services involving CM and MJ. She began drafting contract in May-June timeframe after being contacted by Tim Wooley (TM) of AEG. TM sent her basic information. KJ sent first draft of the contract to TM on June 15th. TM forwarded the contract to CM and KJ received phone call from CM about the contract draft.

    The start date of Murray's contract was when all three parties signed the contract. The contract was not valid until this was done.

    Initally CM contract had a end date of September 2009. CM called KJ asking to change the end date to March 2010. Kathy queried CM as to whether he asked MJ about getting paid during the hiatus of Oct-Dec and all of the way til Mar 2010. CM said he did and MJ was willing to pay for his services during hiatus and till March 2010.

    Final contract was signed by CM and sent back to KJ on June 24th, 2009.

    KJ spoke to CM twice about changes to contract. CM requested certain changes, one was for the start of his payment to be retroactive to May, 2009.

    KJ said CM did not want his name on the contract but instead wanted the name of his company, GSA Holdings. KJ said she could add the company to the contract but needed to have his name on it as well.
    Another change was for a medical professional to be available in London. KJ asked CM why this was needed. CM said it was for if Murray was unavailable or needed to rest, that someone would be there.
    There was a right to terminate the contract immediately if MJ no longer wanted CM. Also, if the tour was cancelled. Murray wanted a provision that said if a termination for any of those reasons occurred past the payment date of the 15th of the month, CM would not have to return the payment for that month.

    KJ had a conversation on Jun 18th with CM about medical equipment needed to be included as a provision in the contract. KJ wanted to know why he needed this equipment including a CPR machine. CM said when MJ was performing at the O2 arena he was going to be performing extraordinary things. Also considering his age, CM wanted the machine. KJ asked wouldn't this be at the arena? CM told her he didn't want to take any chances. KJ was worried MJ might have a heart problem or was unhealthy. CM assured her he was healthy. CM told KJ three times that MJ was in perfect health.

    They also discussed where CM was licensed to practice medicine. Murray told Kathy he was licensed to practice in CA, TX, NV, Hawaii.

    June 23 conversation: CM had some revisions he wanted. He asked the term to be changed from September 2009 to March 2010. Start date was changed to May 1. Contract said "services requested by the producer" CM asked it to be changed to "artist". KJ asked CM to help with medical records of MJ to submit to insurer for concert cancellation insurance. Insurer company asked for 5 year of medical history. CM asked KJ to send what is required to MJ's house.He said that he had only been the physician of MJ for 3 years and since MJ was in such good health, the file would be very tiny. KJ later provided CM insurer company's information so that he can contact directly.

    CM repeatedly told her MJ was healthy, in excellent condition, he was great.

    Prosecution presented contract that Murray sent to KJ on June 24th. The only signature on it was CM.
    Above where MJ was supposed to sign reads:
    "The undersigned hereby confirms that he has requested Producer to engage Dr. Murray on the terms set forth herein on behalf of and at the expense of the undersigned."

    The contract was between Murray, AEG Live, GCA Holdings with the consent of Michael.

    Defense cross examination

    Contract was not signed and no payment was made to CM - at least by AEG. CM had to provide liability insurance and medical malpractice insurance.

    CM told KJ he would need the equipment in London. First time KJ talked to CM was on the 18th. When she received the information from Tim Wooley, the CPR machine was already on the list of machines CM needed.

    Kathy: "Murray said he needed the CPR machine for MJ at the venue. He did not indicate home use."

    KJ was not aware of the hours CM would be providing services to MJ. She assumed they would be during the day. She had no hint that the services would be at night.

    Records were not provided to KJ. But she requested that medical reords be sent to the broker trying to secure the insurance (Bob Taylor).

    According to the contract CM was not prohibited from doing other things at all.

    Contract was terminable at the discretion of MJ. CM was not guarateed the next month of employment.

    Michael Amir Williams Testimony

    Personal assistant of MJ. Had been employed by MJ in mid 2007. Before this he had been brought on to archive and organize MJ's films and DVDs.

    MAW did anything MJ needed and considered himself a friend of MJ's. MAW was a liason between MJ and security and major staff. MAW would come to Carrolwood and call to make sure MJ didn't need anything. If not, he would go to the security trailer.

    According to MAW only MJ and his three children lived at Carrolwood on a continuous basis.

    Walgren then shows several pictures depicting the layout and some interior/ exterior photos of Carolwood.

    Security routine: An advance vehicle, MJ in principal vehicle with driver and MAW and a security detail following them.

    Fans outside the house. If any security ever did anything against his fans, they would be gone according to MAW. MAW mentions MJ stopping, talking to fans, getting gifts, pictures to sign.

    MAW said he was a fan first so tried to sneak to see of MJ performing. But MJ usually had him doing things for him/ running errands.

    It was a rule across the board that no one would go upstairs unless they were asked specifically which was very rare. MAW said that MJ liked his privacy.

    MAW met Murray for the first time in 2008 in Las Vegas. He saw Murray visiting MJ's house in Las Vegas in 2007. MAW would call Murray in 2008 at Michael's request to treat the children and him.

    Amir said that in Apr/May/Jun it was common to see Murray's BMW parked there after rehearsals and still there in the morning. During this time MJ asked MAW to sometimes call CM even though he had a cell phone.

    MAW said they left for rehearsals late afternoon and did not return after it was dark although the time varied. MAW said that it was not uncommon for him to call Murray ahead of time to make sure he was at home.

    MAW said they were late on the 24th going to the Staples Center. They left around 5 or 6pm give or take an hour or two. MJ was in good spirits ans was adamant about getting there on time. Amir said that he thought the rehearsal on the 24th was great. "MJ told me he only gave 30/40% at rehearsals. But I thought it was great."

    MAW lived in downtown LA and left Carolwood to go home after making sure that MJ was in the home. Security was 24 hrs around home. They would either be checking gates, doing perimeter checks but were stationed in the trailer.

    At 12:13pm, MAW received a phonecall from CM. MAW was not able to answer this since he was in the shower trying to get dressed. When he came out and saw the phone, he had a message. The message said to call CM right away. He then called CM back. CM didn't ask him to call 911. CM told him to "Get here right away and send someone up" and that Michael had a bad reaction.

    A still photo of the phone (MAW's phone) was labeled People's 12 and the video of the voicemail was marked as People's 13. A transcript of the video message was labeled as People's 14.

    "Call me right away. Please call me right away. Thank you."

    Walgren goes over MAW's phone calls on the 25th.

    At 12:15 MAW calls CM back and CM tells him that MJ had had a bad reaction and asks him to get someone up to the room. Amir said Murray did not ask me to call 911 initially.

    After he got off of the phone with CM, MAW called Faheem Muhammad (FM) at 12:16 and told him to go upstairs. FM told MAW that he was not on the property to run an errand to go to the bank. MAW told him to hurry and get back home.

    There were then 3 calls between Amir and Alvarez that were not being connected so he then contacted Derrick Cleveland (another security). He did not get him. Later he was able to talk with Alvarez. He told Alvarez to go to the house and told him to run. Nanny opened the door. Alvarez asked MAW for permission to go into the house and go upstairs. Alvarez hanged up the phone after a little while. MAW made multiple phonecalls.

    Amir: "It took maybe 30/40 minutes to get from my home to Carrolwood. When he got there medics were bringing gurney down."

    MJ's kids were in the car to follow the ambulance to the hospital. MAW thinks CM looked frantic. CM ride with the ambulance. People were following them to the hospital. MAW shielded the children with their jackets and took them inside the hospital to a private room with their nanny. They placed a security on the door. MAW waited outside the room they were working on Michael. Slowly people such as his manager and family came to the hospital. Later they learned that MJ dead.

    After Michael was announced dead, Murray asked him if he or someone else could take him back to the house so he could get some cream of MJ's that he was sure MJ would not want the world to see. MAW said "let me check". He spoke about this with Faheem Muhammed (FM). He told FM he was goig to tell CM that the police had his keys.

    He then spoke to CM again who asked to be taken to go get something to eat. MAW refused.

    MAW went to FM and told them to call the security and tell them to lock down the house and do not let anyone go in or out.

    MAW did not see CM after that talk about food. MAW gave CM's contact information to the police. After MJ was announced dead MAW and the other bodyguards loaded the cars and drove to fool the media so that the Jackson family can leave without being followed. On the ride MAW received a phone call asking them to come back to Carolwood. They spoke to the police at Carolwood.

    Oxygen tanks was normal. Security would pick oxygen tanks and bring to the house.

    Defense cross examination

    Defense asks if the first time MAW mentioned the cream to the detectives was in August 2009. MAW says yes.

    MAW denies planning a lie with FM. He says he just told FM what he would say to CM and FM said "do whatever you need to do".

    MAW says there was a lot of police officers both at UCLA and Carolwood. Police asked him about the timeline of the day. MAW says that his initial talk with police wasn't in detail.

    MAW says he spoke to Michael several times a day. Defense goes back MAW first seeing Murray in 2007. MAW says that he just saw Murray to go to the house. MAW says he never learned or know how MJ and Murray met.

    Defense mentions the phone calls between MAW and CM. Defense asks if sounded like an emergency. MAW: "When I hear someone has a bad reaction, I don't think anything fatal - me personally. I wasn't asked to call 911. He told me what to do and I did it what doctor told me to do - get someone up there quickly"

    2 security on the property 24/7. House has gates and those gates are monitored. Family only allowed by Michael's request.

    [Afternoon session will be posted later]

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    Default Re: Murray Trial - Daily Summaries Thread - Update September 28 Day 2 Morning Session

    Murray Trial Day 2 - September 28, 2011

    Afternoon session

    Michael Amir Williams (MAW) - Cross examination by Ed Chernoff continued

    Frankly, a lot of what Ed Chernoff asked MAW was tedious and irrelevant, so for this part of the testimony, only relevant material will be posted.

    MAW states that he left at either midnight or 1 a.m. on 6/25/09 after dropping MJ off from rehearsal. Chernoff asks if it was unusual for MAW to be at the Carolwood home at 12 pm during the week, MAW states no. Chernoff then states that Murray said "Get security up here" (meaning upstairs), MAW states that no, Murray said "Get someone up here." MAW states called Alberto Alvarez, Faheem Muhammad and a guy named Derek, all security for MJ.

    Chernoff and MAW then go through pointing to specific doors at the Carolwood home.

    Chernoff asks MAW, if Murray had told MAW to call 911, would MAW have done so. MAW answers yes. Chernoff then asks if MAW would have gotten a voicemail from Murray telling him to call 911, would he have done so. MAW answers yes, and then he would have called Murray. This goes on for over a minute. Chernoff continues to ask whether it was usual or unusual for Murray to call and tell MAW to get someone up there. This continues for several seconds.

    Chernoff moves back to whether it was usual for MAW to be at the Carolwood residence at 12 pm on a daily basis. Chernoff states that MAW called Faheem Muhammad first, Alberto Alvarez later. MAW has known Faheem Muhammad for ten years, and Alberto Alvarez for five years. Alvarez was brought in to work for MJ in 2008.

    Chernoff asks about a security company called Security Measures. MAW states that they were hired in 2008, MAW was "instrumental" in helping to connect Security Measures and MJ.

    After MJ died, MAW states that he got into a blue Escalade, along with Alberto Alvarez and Faheem Muhammad. The three of them planned to be a decoy, to distract from other cars that were trying to leave UCLA.

    Chernoff asked MAW where he was when MAW talked to police in August 2009, 2 months after MJ died. Chernoff basically asks if Alvarez and Muhammad were with MAW at the same time and place as MAW when giving their statements to police. MAW says he could not recall. MAW also states that he could not recall if he talked to either Alvarez and Muhammad about MJ and his death in the two months that transpired after MJ's death.

    MAW states that the meeting with the police was postponed because the police postponed it. Chernoff states, "Well, that's interesting but what I want to know is did you speak..." At this point, Judge Pastor states, "Editorial comments are not appropriate for either parties..." (Essentially, Judge Pastor admonishes Chernoff for the comment.

    Chernoff asks if MAW took the video of the voicemail of Conrad Murray telling MAW for help on 6/25. Chernoff asks if MAW had help making the video, MAW states yes and his wife helped him. Chernoff asks MAW if he received voicemails from others on 6/25, MAW states yes, that he received many on that date. Chernoff asks if he received voicemails from Alberto Alvarez or Faheem Muhammad, and MAW states he cannot remember.

    At the time of death, MAW had worked for approximately two years, he stated. As MJ's personal assistant, MAW stated that he did whatever MJ asked him to do, for the most part. MAW stated that MJ had his own cell phone, but if someone needed to get in touch with MJ they would call MAW.

    Chernoff asks MAW if he picked up prescriptions for MJ, MAW states yes. MAW also states that he accompanied MJ to Dr. Arnold Klein's office. Chernoff asks MAW if he heard the audio tape of MJ (the one where he is clearly drugged). Chernoff asks if MAW felt that when MJ left Klein's office, if MJ's speech was slower. MAW says yes, but not to the extreme of the tape he heard.

    Chernoff asks if MJ kept his medical conditions separate from MAW, MAW states yes. Chernoff asks if MAW ever called Dr. David Adams for MJ, MAW states the name sounds familiar, but he cannot say for sure. Chernoff asks if MAW can remember calling Adams in Las Vegas, MAW says he's not sure.

    Chernoff asks how long MAW stayed at the Carolwood house. MAW states a few hours, he talked to police and waited for MJ's family to arrive. Chernoff states that the entire security team had been replaced, and MAW states yes. Chernoff asks if it surprised MAW, MAW stated no. MAW states he called either Frank Dileo or Randy Phillips to make sure it was okay that the new security team was there.

    Redirect from Prosecutor David Walgren

    Walgren asks MAW about MJ's slow speech when leaving Dr. Klein's office. MAW states that it was not unusual, but it was not every time either.

    Walgren asks MAW about the recording Murray made of MJ in a 'very intoxicated state". MAw states he heard of it on the news because it was everywhere. Walgren asks if MAW had ever heard of MJ in that state, MAW states "Never, never in that extreme." Walgren asks if it was shocking to MAW. MAW states, "Yeah it was kinda sad."

    Recross by Defense Ed Chernoff

    Chernoff asks if MAW has ever called Cherilyn Lee for MJ, MAW states yes. Chernoff asks if MAW had ever called Cherilyn Lee because MJ was sick, MAW states that Faheem Muhammad called Lee one time because MJ was not feeling well

    Faheem Muhammad (FM) Testimony

    Prosecutor Walgren Direct

    In June 2009, FM states he worked as a security chief for MJ, for approximately 10 months. As chief of security, he made sure MJ's house and children were protected, and daily routine was safe and planned out. FM states he was stationed in the trailer outside of the Carolwood home. FM states that he would deal with Michael Amir Williams, not MJ directly. FM states that he initially was hired as a driver, but then promoted to chief of security.

    FM states that he saw Murray daily and stayed overnight every day at the Carolwood home. FM states he did not know the details as to why Murray was staying the night. FM states that he saw oxygen tanks in the trailer, Murray brought the tanks to the back door, and security would bring them inside the trailer.

    On 6/24, FM drove MJ to Staples to his last rehearsal, leaving at approximately 7 p.m. Michael Amir Williams accompanied both FM and MJ to Staples. FM states that there was an underground parking lot, and that Alberto Alvarez would meet them, and take them on a golf cart to MJ's dressing room. FM states that his duty was to set up security at specific doors, but that he was also able to observe some of the rehearsal. FM stated that MJ's rehearsal was excellent and high energy. FM states that he, MJ and Michael Amir Williams left at approximately midnight. FM states that MJ stopped outside Staples to greet fans, and in front of the Carolwood home. FM states that they arrive approximately 1 a.m. FM states that security would normally take gifts that fans gave MJ and leave them at the bottom of the stairs. MJ would then say goodnight and go upstairs. FM stated they had a security meeting, and then went home.

    On 6/25, FM states that he arrives at Carolwood at approximately 11:45 a.m. FM states that he left the property to go to the bank. FM states that he then got a phone call from Michael Amir Williams, stating that MJ had a bad reaction and to go upstairs. FM stated he was not at home, but that he would go back and he did.

    FM states that he arrived back at the house, types in the PIN for the gate, and enters the house. FM called Michael Amir Williams, asks if he can enter the house and go upstairs. FM states the he did go upstairs. FM entered the room that MJ was in, he states.

    Walgren asks FM when he came into the room MJ was in, what did he see? FM states that he saw Alberto Alvarez pacing the floor, he saw MJ's feet on the side of the bed, as FM moved closer, he could see MJ's body and Murray to the side of MJ. FM states that he saw MJ at the far side of the bed, his feet were on the floor. FM states that Dr. Murray was to the right of MJ on the far side of the bed.

    FM states that he asked Alberto Alvarez how it was going, Alvarez states it's not looking good. FM states that he moved closer to the far side of the bed, Murray appeared to administering CPR, Murray was nervous, sweaty. FM states that he then saw MJ's face and his full body. FM states that MJ's eyes were open, mouth slightly open, and when asked, FM states that MJ appeared to be dead. FM states that he saw no medical equipment attached to MJ.

    FM states he then realized that both Paris and Prince were inside the room slightly. FM states that Prince was "slowly crying" and Paris was "balled up on the floor, crying". FM got nanny and moved them to downstairs. Then FM went back upstairs.

    CM asked if they knew CPR, Alvarez went to help CM with CPR. After FM went back upstairs asked Alvaraz if 911 was called. Alvarez said yes. FM went down again to get the cars ready. Paramedics arrived, FM escorted them up to the room. FM was mainly in the room while paramedics working. FM left the room twice to put the children in the car and talk to the security saying that they'll be leaving soon and get ready for paparazzi.

    FM said he saw an IV stand in the room, he did not realize any other medical equipment.

    They followed paramedics to UCLA. When they arrived paparazzi was at UCLA. They took their jackets to shield MJ's body so that paparazzi cannot take pictures. They also escorted the children inside. FM talked to UCLA security about family arriving and not let in people trying to sneak in. FM helped UCLA security to let Jackson family in and keep other people out.

    MAW talked to FM about CM wanting to go home to get a cream. FM says that they agreed that CM should not be let into the house. FM states that MAW came up with the story to say that police took their keys.

    FM states that at UCLA Murray wanted to leave because he was hungry. FM stated that there was a cafeteria at the hospital.

    FM states he remembers seeing an IV stand in the room where MJ died. FM states he does not remember if there is tubing attached to the IV, but he clearly remembers the IV stand in the room.

    FM states that after he spoke to Dr. Murray, FM went to the room where his children were. FM believes that at that time, the children were getting ready to see MJ's body. FM eventually left UCLA with Michael Amir Williams, Alberto Alvarez, and he's not sure, but maybe Isaac, a guard from Carolwood. FM says he was not sure where they were going, but that the police called and asked all of the security to come to Carolwood. FM states that they did talk to the police at Carolwood on 6/25.

    FM states that he talked to the police again in August, 2009.

    Defense Cross Examination - by Chernoff

    FM states his wife picked him up from the Carolwood home. FM states that Murray asked if he would take him to Carolwood and to get him something to eat, FM states he said no. When FM left Carolwood, Murray's car was still at the residence.

    FM states he watched Murray walk away from UCLA. FM states he does not know what time he left the hospital.

    FM states that the first time that he mentioned that Murray wanted to get something to eat and leave UCLA, was in August, 2009. FM states that he made his statement to the police in his attorney's office. Chernoff repeated asks if Alberto Alvarez or Michael Amir Williams were there, or if FM saw them before or after he talked to detectives. FM states he did see Alberto Alvarez at the attorney's office.

    FM states he knew Michael Amir Willaims for 10 years, in a social capacity.

    FM states his normal shift approximately at 11 a.m. and leave at 7 p.m., but if MJ was leaving, he would stay and accompany him. FM states he took MJ to see Dr. Klein. FM states that MJ often left Klein's office tipsy, and at times, Klein's staff would have to accompany MJ downstairs and to the car.

    FM states that MJ once said to him, "You must think I'm crazy for going to Dr. Klein's office so much." FM states that he didn't see MJ one way or the other, and MJ states that he was going to Klein's office because his doctors told him that he had to go to a doctor for a skin disease.

    FM states that at Carolwood in the month prior to MJ's death, he never saw another doctor come there.

    FM states that he knows who Cherilyn Lee, and that she was hired for the kids. FM states that he knew Lee professionally and that she was hired. FM states that he called Cherilyn Lee for MJ. Michael Amir Williams told FM that one of MJ's hands was hot, and one of his feet was cold, and to call Cherilyn Lee. FM states that he thinks he left a voicemail, but ultimately talked to her, but cannot recall the conversation.

    Chenoff asks if FM told the police that CM was helping MJ to sleep. FM said yes it was rumored. Chernoff asked if everyone knew, FM says he can't say what other people knew. FM says the security didn't discuss it among themselves.

    FM says the house didn't have any land line phones.

    On 25th FM came to Carolwood around 11 AM and left to go the bank after 12PM. FM said that he can come and go and do tasks. FM says there was a security camera recording the gate. FM is not sure about a security camera recording the door of the house.

    June 27, LAPD asked FM to help them to take surveillance tapes from the gates. FM helped a technician from LAPD. FM cannot remember what was downloaded.

    Defense again asks how many times FM went up and down the stairs. FM repeats 4 times going up and down the stairs again. FM calls the scene shocking, seeing Michael. FM says he doesn't recall what was on IV and does not recall any other medical equipment.

    Defense again asks about the security leaving the hospital. FM said they received a call asking them to come back to Carolwood to talk to police officers. They were outside the front door talking to the detectives.

    Chernoff looks for pictures to show, and shows pictures of the bodyguards talking to the detectives. FM yawns and nods to the jury while waiting the defense to find the picture. Chernoff spends several minutes asking FM identify the people on the pictures.

    FM said that after Carolwood he took the detective Abdul to Hayvenhurst so that he can talk to the nanny.

    Prosecution Walgren redirect

    FM when talked to detectives on August 31, 2009 he was alone in the room with the detectives and his lawyer. Alvarez and MAW was not with her.

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    Default Re: Murray Trial - Daily Summaries Thread - Update September 28 Day 2 Full Summary

    Murray Trial Day 3 - September 29, 2011

    Morning Session

    Alberto Alvarez (AA) Testimony

    Prosecutor Walgren direct examination

    Month of June. AA says that he worked for MJ in Carolwood. AA was director of logistics, he was part of the advance team. He made sure everything was okay before MJ arrived to a venue.

    AA worked for MJ on / off since 2004. AA was called to work for MJ December 2008 / January 2009. AA said it was a good full time job with a good salary.

    Security would be in the trailer outside he house, they will only go inside when requested. Two different security : Property security and personal security. Personal security were MAW, FM, AA, Isaac and Derek.

    AA saw CM first after January 2009 in Carolwood. April/ May/ June AA saw CM 5-6 times a week. AA knew that CM was staying the night. AA was aware about the oxygen tanks. AA from time to time saw CM bringing empty oxygen tanks and take full ones.

    June 24th. After 5 PM they took MJ to rehearsals. AA made sure everything was in order in MJ green room (dressing room) such as arranging the room temperature, checked the venue for security. MJ came around 6:30 - 7:00PM. AA met MJ with golf cart and took him to his dressing room. MJ was very happy and in good spirits. AA was behind the stage. AA sometimes peeked to see his performance. AA believed his performance was good. After the rehearsal they did the same routine. MJ was still happy and in good spirits. They came to Carolwood. CM's car was already parked. MJ came home, they helped with the gifts. MJ said "goodnight".

    After they unloaded the gifts, they secured the front door and went to the security trailer for debriefing. After they went to home and house security stayed.

    June 25th AA came to Carolwood at 10:15AM. He sat down in the trailer and waited for any specific instructions. He was in the security trailer around 12:15 PM.

    Phone records. 4 phone calls between MAW and AA, those were attempts to reach each another. Another call from MAW to AA, they finally spoke. MAW asked where was AA, told him to get up and go to the front of the house without much commotion. MAW asked him if he was walking AA said yes, MAW told him to run. AA came to the front door and tried to open it but it was locked. Nanny came and unlocked the door. From the glass door AA saw nanny Rosalind ,Paris, Kai Chase and CM on the second floor. CM had both hands on the rail and was looking down.

    AA told MAW he was in the house. MAW told him to run up the stairs. Prince was upstairs walking opposite direction of AA.

    Walgren shows pictures and layout of the house and asks AA to identify where CM was and identify the rooms.

    AA said he only went upstairs 2 times in 6 months he worked for MJ to let MJ's hairdresser.

    CM said to him "Alberto come quick", AA realized the situation was serious. AA hung up the phone call to MAW. AA followed CM into the room.

    AA saw CM giving chest comprehensions to MJ. MJ was in the bed. AA saw MJ lying on his back, his hands extended out to his sides with palms up, his eyes and mouth was open. His face was slightly towards the left. CM was using one hand (his left hand) giving MJ chest comprehensions.

    CM said to him they need to get him to a hospital. AA was walking towards the bed and reaching for his phone in his pocket. Prince and Paris followed him into the room, they were behind him. Paris screamed out "Daddy". Paris was crying. CM said "don't let them see their dad like this". AA ushered the children out the door and told them that everything will be okay and not to worry.

    When returned AA asked CM what happened. CM said "he had a bad reaction". AA was at the foot of the bed.

    AA saw some sort of a plastic device on his penis to collect urine. AA now knows that it was a condom catheter. AA did not see any monitoring equipment, no ventilation equipment. AA only saw a clear plastic tubing for Oxygen attached to MJ's nose. AA saw an IV stand.

    CM got some vials from the night stand and asked AA to put them in a bag. AA held out the bag and CM dropped the vials. CM told AA to place that plastic grocery bag to the brown bag. Then CM told AA to get the bag in the IV stand and put it in the blue bag. AA says there was a bottle in the saline bag.

    Walgren: "Why were you following these instructions?" AA " I believed CM had MJ's best intentions at mind, I didn't question his authority. I thought we were getting ready to go to the hospital".

    IV stand has 2 hooks. One hook had a saline bag, CM didn't ask AA to remove that one. AA was only asked to remove the saline bag with the bottle. AA saw milky white substance at the bottom of the saline bag.

    Walgren shows the saline bag pictures to AA. The bad has a cut, AA says he didn't see the cut on june 25th. Walgren shows the cut to the jurors. Walgren then shows empty 100ml Propofol bottle. Walgren replaces the bottle in the saline bag through the slit shows it to AA and the jurors.

    Mid morning break

    AA says all these events happened very quickly. AA says he was obeying CM's instructions.

    911 call is played in court. Alberto visibly upset and looks like about to cry when listening to the call.

    AA and CM moved MJ from bed to the floor. AA saw a clear plastic tube coming from the bag on the IV coming to MJ's leg. CM removed it when they moved MJ. CM took pulse oximeter from a bag and clipped it to MJ's finger.

    AA says a few days to a week before June 25th, CM asked the securities for AAA batteries. AA saw CM holding the device, AA had asked him what it was and CM said it was like a heart monitor.

    FM arrived to the room. AA said "It's not looking good". CM asked if anyone knew CPR. AA and FM looked to each other. AA went to assist CM doing CPR. AA started doing chest comprehensions with two hands. AA knew CPR before that day, he learned it when he was a swimmer. CM was giving mouth to mouth. CM said "this is the first time I do mouth to mouth. but I have to because he's my friend". AA continued chest comprehensions. Paramedics arrived soon after and took over. AA says there was no indication that MJ was alive.

    Paramedics moved MJ from the side of the bed to the foot of the bed. AA went downstars twice; to check on the childern and to meet MAW. When paramedics were bringing MJ down, AA was trying to distract MJ's kids so they wouldn't see their father like that.

    At UCLA AA begged to paparrazzi to leave them alone saying it was a private moment, shielded MJ when going in, waited in the hospital. CM came to AA to thank for help, AA said "we did our best". At that moment AA didn't suspect that CM did anything wrong. CM first said he was hungry and asked if someone could take him home. AA didn't answer, CM then asked it to MAW. AA last saw CM outside the emergency room saying "I wanted him to make it".

    AA and other security drove off after the announcement and MJ was taken to the coroners. They went to Carolwood, police was there. They stayed outside of the house while talking to the detectives. AA was asked to bring children's dog Kenya to Hayvenhurst.

    20-30 times media approached to AA to give interviews and was offered money. Media have offerred him $200,000 to $500,000, AA said no. AA says this event was negative for his life. He went from a full time great wage job to bad financial position. AA says he's totally wiped financially. AA said he had been honest with the police to best of his ability.

    Defense cross examination by Chernoff

    AA draw the IV bad picture after the preliminary hearing. Defense shows another drawing done for the police. AA doesn't remember drawing it. Defense questions AA never mentioned the pointy nub before. Chernoff says that the IV bag doesn't have any white substance in it today.

    Chernoff asks if he could be confused about the timeline of events. AA says no. Chernoff asks if it was possible if CM asked AA to collect the vials after the 911 call after the paramedics came and before they went to hospital. AA says no.

    Defense going over AA's phonecalls and how AA went into the house. AA understood something was wrong by that time but he didn't knew if it was related to MJ. Defense goes over what AA did when he entered to the house. AA basically repeats his previous testimony. AA says he was shocked when he entered the room. Chernoff is writing AA's timeline on a easel. Jurors has a problem with reading it. Defense continues with the events, at one moment they refer back to AA's testimony from preliminary hearing. Chernoff is asking about the 911 call and putting the vials in a bag. Most of the questions are about if he yet called the 911 and how CM put the vials in the bag. Basically defense is going over AA's timeline of events.

    Lunch Break

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    Default Re: Murray Trial - Daily Summaries Thread - Update September 29 Day 3 Morning Summary

    Murray Trial Day 3

    Afternoon session

    Defense cross examination continued

    Still discussing AA's version of events and timeline. Chernoff writing the timeline on a piece of paper.

    Chernoff questions how AA held the IV bag and got it from the stand. AA says he got it bu holding it from the top of it. AA first mentioned taking off the IV bag in August, 2009 at his second meeting with the police. He was also fingerprinted at that time.

    Chernoff again asks if AA could be mistaken about his timeline. AA said no.

    AA: (looking at 911 transcript) Indicated when he placed MJ on floor according to transcript. OP says, let's get him to the floor-AA acted on that order. AA says that they got MJ on the floor while he was talking with 911 operator. AA says he put his phone on his shoulder. Chernoff plays the 911 call and AA identifies the point they got MJ on floor.

    AA: Clarifies pic he drew. He clarified that there was a box with a wire sticking out of it, NOT a needle.

    Chernoff mentions media offers. AA says there have been media offers before he talked to the police August, 2009. Chernoff says AA didn't mention most of the things he said in August interview in June interview.

    Chernoff plays a video of AA at hospital. AA was waiting outside the room where MJ's body was placed after he was announced dead. Chernoff mentions there was a lot of police around and asks AA if he mentioned them about collecting the vials. AA says no. AA was interviewed by the police in the hospital.


    Bodyguards went to Carolwood , talked with the detectives. Chernoff shows pictures taken outside the house with detectives asking AA to identify people in the pictures. Again Chernoff asks if AA told the detectives about the vials then. AA says no.

    Chernoff mentions saline bag and asks if that was connected to MJ. AA says yes. Chernoff asks if it was connected to anything else, AA says no.

    AA sees a report on CNN about evidence and saw detectives coming out of the house with a baby blue bag. AA heard on the news about Propofol and heard it being white. AA says that he realized that he handled those items and believed he needed to talk to the detectives. AA believed he needed to report it to the police.

    Chernoff asks about AA's work. AA says he's unable to get a continious job. AA's work history with MJ. In 2004 worked for MJ for 6 months. 2007 in Las Vegas worked for MJ for a few months. 2008 Las Vegas 2-3 months. After MJ's death AA worked with Jackson family. AA would call to check on the children. Katherine's assistant mentioned AA could become a secruity for Jacksons. This talks happened Nov 2009. AA worked for the Jacksons for a few months in 2010. Chernoff tries to ask AA what other celebrities he worked for.

    Objection. Sidebar.

    Chernoff asks AA about his relationship with CM and if they were friends. Chernoff tries to ask questions about why would CM would conspire with AA to hide evidence. Objection. Sustained.

    Walgren redirect

    Walgren goes over the timeline Chernoff wrote, asks AA if most of the events happened simultaneous continious events. Walgren asks questions very rapidly. Judge Pastor asks Walgren to slow down and jokes that "I see steam coming out"

    Chernoff recross

    Chernoff asks if AA did these events quickly. AA says he acted quickly and he's "very efficient". Laughter heard in the courtroom.

    Kai Chase (KC) Testimony

    Brazil direct

    KC professional chef. March 2009 was working for MJ. Her duties was to prepare food for MJ and his children. KC learned what they liked and didn't like. KC did the shopping. KC says she enjoyed working for MJ and kis kids. KC wears professional chef uniform - chef jacket and bistro apron. Her apron had 2 pockets. KC said she kept track of time because she needed to follow the food cooking and had to get food on the table on time. KC says she had her cellphone in her apron pocket and kept track of time.

    KC worked 6 days a week for MJ. KC came at 8 AM and prepared breakfast for the kids. Then prepared breakfast and juice for MJ for breakfast. MJ ate Granola, juices and vegatarian omelets. Healthy foods was very important for MJ and his kids. KC saw MJ eating with his kids. "It appeared to me that MJ had a close, loving relationship with his children and appeared to be happy around them."

    mid afternoon break.

    June 24. Arrived around 8:30AM. Prepared breakfast for children. Prepared MJ his beet juice which had beets, celery, apple, carrots. KC would see CM in the mornings. He would come to the kitchen. He would sometimes come to leave or sometimes would come to get MJ's juice. CM said MJ will be down shortly and MJ would like to have lunch with his children. CM then went to other part of the house.

    KC saw MJ on June 24. They talked. MJ asked about the lunch , he smiled. KC says MJ was happy because he was going to have a lunch with his children. KC prepared the same Ahi Tuna salad so that MJ could take it to rehearsal. KC prepared Tuscan White Bean soup for MJ for dinner. KC also prepared food for CM as well. KC made dinner for children. KC left at 10 PM on June 24.

    June 25. Arrived between 8:00-8:30AM. Prepared breakfast for children. The soup KC prepared the previous day was still in the refrigerator. KC started to prepare MJ's breakfast. She prepared him Granola with Almond Milk. MJ's children would notify KC when MJ would eat his food. 9:45 AM KC leaves to go to market. She cames back around 10:30. Everything seemed the same as she left when she returned. Children were playing, music was playing. KC started preparing lunch.

    MJ always had lunch at 12:30PM. There was no difference on June 25th. KC was preparing Spinach cobb salad with organic turkey breast for lunch. KC had already prepared fresh juice for MJ. CM didn't come to pick up the juice that day.

    CM came down to the kitchen from the stairs between 12:05 and 12:10. CM looked frantic. KC says CM was nervous, frantic and he was shouting. CM shouted "get help, get security, get Prince". KC stopped what she was doing and run to get Prince from the den. KC said to Prince "Hurry. Dr. Murray needs you. There might be something wrong with your father". Prince and KC went back to kitchen. Prince went to CM. KC went back to work.

    Brazil asks if CM asked her to call 911. KC says no. Brazil asks KC why she decided to get Prince. KC says Prince was in her sight and CM seemed frantic and disturbed. KC wanted to get help as soon as possible and Prince was the closest. Security is outside. Prince was closer to her.

    KC returned to work. KC saw housekeeper crying at he foyer of the house. KC approached to them and asked them what was wrong, they said something might be wrong with MJ. MJ's kids were crying and screaming. They held hands and prayed in a circle. KC then saw security and paramedics running up the stairs. KC, housekeeper and the children stayed in the foyer. Soon security asked KC and the housekeeper to leave the house and KC left.

    KC says her heart is still broken. She is devastated. KC met with detectives a few days later. Several media contacted KC asking about what happened that day. After KC gave statements to the police, KC gave interviews to several media sources. Brazil asks if she was paid any money by US media, KC says no. KC mentions interviews she has done with the foreign media. One interview was with German media about food. She was paid $1,000 for it. KC also met with a French documentary, she was paid $1,000. She took part in 5 more interviews. She was paid in total $7,000 for all the interviews.

    Brazil asked if KC ever planned to get rich from her experiences with MJ. KC says no.

    Defense cross Flanagan

    Defense asks if KC was at house Sunday May 10th. KC says no. KC says MJ will come down for breakfast 2 times a week around 8:30 - 9:00 AM. Other days breakfast was taken up to his room.

    When KC come in the morning the gate was closed. She press a buzzer, tells who she is and one of the security guys will come to meet her. She can't recall which security let her in on the 25th. When she comes to the house , she had to knock the kitchen door to be let in. Children or housekeeper would let her in. On June 25th MJ's kids let her in.

    KC says she only had MAW's phone numbers. KC says there was no land line in the house and she didn't have any phone numbers for AA, FM, Nanny or MJ.

    Defense asks KC how far it was from the kitchen to the security trailer. KC explains the distance.

    CM came down frantic. CM yelled "go get help, go get security, go get Prince". KC thought it was emergency but did not know what kind of emergency it was. KC went into the den to get Prince. KC said " Prince Dr. Murray needs you. There might be something wrong with your father." Prince went with CM. KC went back to work.

    Flanagan asks how old was Prince. KC says 12 years old at that time. Flanagan asks why she did not get the security. She said Prince was right in front of her. She thought there was a human being she can get immediately. She says she didn't want to take the time to go out and go to the security and get them. She didn't know if the security was there or left. She didn't want to take the chance.

    Flanagan goes over says that KC saw a frantic CM and thought there was something wrong with MJ. KC says yes. Flanagan asks "He was asking for help, he was asking for security. Did you think a 12 year old child is going to be able to assist this doctor with a problem with Michael?". KC "I did what I was told and I went to get Prince". Flanagan asks if she ever saw CM again, KC says no. Flanagan asks if KC ever told CM that she would not get the security, KC says no.

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    Default Re: Murray Trial _ All daily trial Summaries - No discussion September 29th / Day 3

    Murray Trial Day 4 September 30 2011

    Morning session

    Bob Johnson Testimony

    Walgren Direct

    Employed by Nonin Medical, designs noninvasive medical equipment such as pulse oximeters. Johnson states he is the Director of Regulatory Affairs Clinical Research and Quality Assurance. Johnson states his responsibilities are to get product approval with the FDA and Worldwide Health Ministries. Johnson states that the clinical research entails both animal and human research. Johnson states again that Nonin Medical designs pulse oximeters.

    When prompted, Johnson states that pulse oximeters detects both pulse rate and red blood cells that have oxygen attached to them, basically determined oxygen saturation and a pulse rate, called SPO2. Johnson states that Nonin probably makes ten or models of pulse oximeters.

    Walgren asks if Johnson if familiar with model 9500, Johnson states yes. Johnson describes the "onyx 9500" is a fingertip oximeter, which displays both heart rate and SPO2. Johnson is asked to identify a pulse oximeter that was in MJ's bedroom at the time of death, he does. Johnson is asked to identify two numbers on the oximeter, Johnson explains that the "92" is the heart rate, and the top number is the percentage of red blood cells that have oxygen attached.

    Walgren then asks if the Nonin 9500 oximeter has an audible alarm, Johnson states no. Johnson also states that this particular model is used for spot checking. A doctor would use this if a patient were to come into their office to have their heart rate and pulse checked. Johnson then states that this model is not used for continual monitoring and that it is specifically label not to be used continually.

    Walgren then asks Johnson if Nonin makes oximeters that have an audible alarm, Johnson states yes. Walgren asks how much this particular model of oximeter costs, Johnson states $275 retail value. Walgren asks if Nonin makes a model of oximeter 2500A, Johnson states yes. Johnson states that the 2500A displays the same functions as the 9500, but also has visual and audible alarms. Johnson states that the alarm at its loudest, can be heard outside. Johnson states that the retail value of the 2500A model is $750. Walgren asks if Nonin makes a 9600 tabletop pulse oximeter, Johnson states yes. Johnson states that the readings are the same, heart rate, then moves to retail value, $1250 in 2009. Johnson also states that Nonin makes pulse oximeters that display capnography, which is the C02 coming from a person's breath. Walgren asks Johnson if all of these models are available to lease, Johnson states that yes they are. When asked how much one of the most expensive models costs to lease, Johnson states about $40 a month.

    Defense Cross

    When asked if the model 9500 (the one found in the room MJ died in) is accurate, Johnson states yes. Johnson is asked if someone to monitor a patient for 15 minutes, would that model of oximeter be adequate, Johnsons states perhaps. Johnson is then asked if the pulse oximeter detects change, Johnson states yes. Johnson is asked if someone were there with a patient, under the influence of propofol for five or ten minutes, would there be a constant change in the pulse oximeter, Johnson states no. Johnson states that it is very difficult to constantly monitor the numbers, so it is not recommended for continuous monitoring. When asked what Johnson means by continuous monitoring, he states something other than a spot check or to take vital signs. Defense asks if it would be safe in monitoring every five minutes, Johnson states yes. Defense asks if it would be safe continuously for fifteen minutes, Johnson says only if the doctor is constantly monitoring the screen.

    Johnson states that it takes about five or ten seconds to get an accurate reading on the oximeter. Defense states that after the five to ten seconds, does the reading change, Johnson states yes. Defense then states that it can be used for constant monitoring, Johnson once again states that it cannot.

    Walgren Redirect

    Walgren asks if the difference between the audible versus the nonaudible pulse oximeter models is a big difference, Johnson states that it is a huge difference. Walgren states that it's the difference between life and death, Johnson states yes. Walgren states that if in another room, the inaudible oximeter is useless, Johnson states yes.

    Flanagan (Defense) Recross

    Defense once again asks if a doctor is constantly monitoring, is the pulse oximeter useless, Johnson states no.

    Robert Russell Testimony

    Deborah Brazil, Prosecution Direct

    Russell states that he had a heart attack in 2009 in Las Vegas. Russell stated that he met Dr. Murray in the emergency room in the hospital. Russell Murray reviewed what had happened, and ultimately inserted stents to the heart to repair it. Russell states that this was the first time he had ever met Murray.

    Russell states he went into the emergency room, and then went into a surgical room, where Murray and an anesthesiologist performed heart surgery. Russell states that he was awakened during the surgery, because he had been give too much medicine for his blood pressure, by the hospital staff. Russell states that after he was awakened, Murray said "here's your heart (on a screen), stay awake", and that Russell did not want to see it. Russell states that Murray installed three stents in his heart. Russell states that he wanted to leave the hospital that night, but that Murray was stern with him, told him he was minutes from death, and that if Russell left the hospital, he was a dead man. Russell was released from the hospital on approximately March 12, 2009.

    Russell states that he went to a follow-up visit on March 16, 2009, and that Murray advised him that he needed to have a second procedure to insert more stents into his heart. Russell states that Murray told him that because of the problems with the first surgery, Murray told Russell that he was unable to put all the stents in his heart, therefore Russell needed another surgery to finish inserting the stents. Russell states that he felt Murray treated him very well. Russell states that Murray told him that he had an opportunity to go to the UK, and take care of one person as a physician, but did not tell him who the one person was. Russell states that he made an appointment for the second surgery, and that he had the surgery in April of 2009. Russell states that the procedure was the same as the first, but that it was an outpatient surgery. Russell states that an anesthesiologist was present in addition to Murray and other medical personnel. Russell states that he went home the same day and had scheduled meetings for follow up care. Russell states that he went to the follow up visit, Murray told Russell that he had made a decision to take care of the one patient and that patient was Michael Jackson. Russell states that he has not told his staff, and that he was going to tell them after Russell and his wife. Russell states that Murray inferred that he had had an ongoing professional relationship with Michael Jackson. Russell states that he was very happy for Murray, and that Murray seemed highly excited and pleased that he would be working for Michael Jackson. Russell states that Murray advised that Russell needed further therapy for his heart and that it was important to his recovery.

    Russell states that the therapy for his heart began mid-April 2009 on a daily basis. Russell states that Murray is only there occasionally. Russell states that Murray advised him that he would not be there. Russell states that he asked the staff, and Murray called him at home to answer them. Russell states that he completed the therapy in early June, and had a follow-up visit on June 15 to get the results of therapy to see how Russell's heart was doing. Russell states that this visit was very important to him, but Murray did not keep the appointment. Russell states that he was notified by mail that Murray after June 15, mailed out to all patients, that Murray would be leaving his practices temporarily in order to take "a once in a lifetime opportunity". The letter stated that Murray would manage the practice, and would find a suitable replacement. Russell states that he was not surprised.

    Russell states he had a second follow-up visit on June 22, because Murray cancelled the appointment. Russell states that the June 22 appointment was also cancelled and was frustrated. Russell states that he felt he was dependent on Murray, because he had no referral, rescheduling and that Murray had all his medical records. On June 25, 2009, Russell calls Murray's office early in the morning. Russell states that he had formed a relationship with Murray's staff members because during the therapy, he had seen the staff members more than he saw Murray. Russell stated that he expressed his frustration to the staff members, he felt desperate, he threatened legal action, and that he felt abandoned. Russell received a voicemail later that morning from Murray on June 25, 2009.

    The voicemail played is Conrad Murray stating that Russell's therapy went very well. Russell states that he felt grateful that he took the time to call him. Russell felt that the statement was odd, because Murray stated that the heart was repaired, when months earlier Murray said it could never be fully repaired. Russell also stated it was odd that Murray had stated he was going on sabbatical, when all along Russell knew that Murray was going to take care of MJ.

    Russell stated that although at first he felt Murray's care was excellent, he also felt that he was abandoned.

    Chernoff Defense Cross

    Chernoff establishes that Russell and Chernoff have never met. Russell states that the medical care he received was unlike any he had never had before. Russell stated that Murray was adamant about how serious Russell's condition had been, and that Murray saved his life.

    Russell states that Murray knew his wife. Russell states that his heart attack was on March 9, 2009, and that now, his heart is in good shape, according to his new cardiologist. Russell stated that his new cardiologist stated that the stents had been inserted properly.

    Paramedic Richard Senneff (RS) Testimony

    Brazil Direct

    RS is a paramedic at Los Angeles Fire Department. RS explains his training and experience and certification.

    June 25th, RS was working at fire station 71. They received a call to go to Carolwood. "Cardiac arrest. CPR in progress. 50 year old male. Patient not breathing" They went to Carolwood. RS was the team leader and the radio man and he gather information and write records. Senneff rode in Ambulance 71 with Paramedic Blount. Fire Engine 71 followed them with engineer, fire fighter, fire captain and additional paramedic.

    Brazil goes over People's Exhibit 43 and what's written on it.

    Print out information

    Line 1 : Engine 71 Rescue Ambulance 71
    Line 2: Address 100 Carolwood
    Line 3: Incident number 5-12 Cardiac Arrest 12:21 call time 50 year old man
    Line 4 : code cardiac arrest not breathing at all
    Line 5: the phone number call came from
    Line 6 : dispatch time the time they got the call at station 12:22
    Line 7 : 911 call from a cell phone , caller is still on the phone with the dispatcher
    Line 8 : Where the call is originated and transferred

    At the end there's a patient identification sticker at the UCLA assigned to MJ when he was brought in.

    Mid morning break

    They arrived at 12:26. Rescue ambulance entered the residence, fire truck stayed on the street. RS got his equipment the starter kit and followed the security guards up the stairs and in the bedroom. RS saw CM, MJ and a security guard in the room.

    RS describes the patient. MJ was wearing pajama bottoms and a top. The top was open. Surgical cap on his head. He appeared to be thin.

    RS describes CM. CM was leaned over MJ and was holding his torso and was moving MJ from bed to the floor.

    RS also saw a security person helping to move MJ to the floor.

    According to RS, CM was frantic.

    When entered the room RS asked if there was an advanced DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) order. No one answered initially. RS repeated the question CM said no. RS saw an IV stand with a saline bag hanging and saw an oxygen tank. RS was trying to gather information to understand what was happening. RS asked three times if there was an underlying health problem. CM finally said nothing. According to RS this didn't make sense as there was a physician at the house and a IV stand.

    RS asked how long the patient been down. CM said "just happened right I called you". RS says that ambulance got there very quickly and if they were called right when the event happened, they had a good chance of reviving MJ and starting his heart.

    12:26 is the time RS was in the room and making observations. RS states that they were in the room within 5 minutes. RS says that a firefighter and himself moved MJ from side of the bed to the foot of the bed because there was not enough space to work on the side of the bed. RS was still trying to gather information from CM. Firefighter Herron was doing CPR. Paramedic Blount was starting ventilation. Paramedic Goodwin was hooking up the EKG. Fire Captain was helping with anything needed. RS was busy and didn't look to see the patient was MJ. He later learned that it was MJ.

    EKG showed flatline/ asystole.

    MJ had an IV on his leg. RS checked to see if it was working and then gave MJ atropine and epinephrine - those are drugs used to start the heart. RS saw no change in MJ's condition after administering the started drugs. RS asked CM if MJ was taking any medicines and was he given any medicines. RS had to ask that question multiple times. RS told CM that he's seeing an underweight patient, with an IV stand and medication vials on the nightstand. At that point CM said MJ wasn't taking anything and CM only gave MJ a little bit of lorazepam for sleep. CM said he was treating MJ for dehydration and exhaustion.

    By this time MJ was hooked on the machines and had received one round of starter drugs. Blount incubated MJ quickly to give air directly to his lungs. RS was monitoring MJ's situation. RS was also communicating with UCLA Base Situation reporting to them. RS told the age, the situation, how long he was down, what they did. RS was talking to the radio nurse and radio nurse was communicating with the doctors.

    When RS looked to the MJ, he didn't believe that MJ was "just down". RS observed that MJ's skin was cool to the touch; MJ's eyes were open, dilated and dry; EKG was flatline, and capnography reading was low.

    They gave MJ a second round of starter drugs through left jugular vein (left neck). Paramedic Goodwin tried to find a vein in MJ's arms to locate a vein 5 times to start an IV but he was unsuccessful. RS says it's significantly difficult to locate a vein when the blood is not circulating for a while.

    After RS first contacted UCLA and told them what they administered the first round of starter drugs, UCLA asked them if they wanted to continue or stop. RS said they wanted to continue. After the second round, RS talked to UCLA again. UCLA was ready to announce MJ dead.

    Brazil asked what happened to the IV on MJ's leg. RS says CM pulled the IV from MJ's leg and that's why paramedics needed to find another vein and finally found jugular vein.

    CM says he felt a pulse at right femoral (right groin). RS looked to heart monitor and he saw a flat line with CPR (lines were only moving due to CPR). RS told his crew to stop CPR to check for pulse. The heart monitor was a clear flat-line, it means that the heart wasn't functional and there could not be a pulse. RS and another paramedic checked for pulse, they did not felt a pulse.

    People's 43 exhibit again. They are going over handwritten notes.

    call time 12:21, glucose levels, EPI 3.5 mg at 12:40, Allergy : florazen, another EPI and atropine. 12:57 the time UCLA wanted to call MJ death. Box on the right hand side : Hydration and lorazepam what CM told RS. Second bicarb - another starter drug given to MJ. RS says the time is wrong. He wrote 14:00 but it was actually at 13:00 PM

    RS's call to UCLA is played. CM assumes control.

    CM asked paramedics to do a central line. RS says they don't have any training or equipment to perform it. CM asked paramedics to administer magnesium, RS says they didn't have it. Brazil asks if CM provided them the materials to perform these tasks. RS says no.

    People's exhibit 46

    902-M. The document contains comprehensive information about the care provided. Starter drugs provided from 12:27 to 12:50. Readings are also written in the document. Medication information and RS's own notes are written.

    They gave MJ sodium bicarb before transportation. All of the paramedics and firefighters took MJ downstairs on a backboard. Some of them were carrying the backboard and the others were still performing resuscitation efforts. When downstairs MJ was put on a gurney with wheels. RS turned back to go upstairs to get their equipment.

    RS sees CM with a bag in his hand picking up items from the floor near the nightstand.

    Blue ambu bag on the floor. RS says it's not paramedics.

    RS collects the items, go down the stairs and go to the ambulance. CM was still inside the room. CM joined them later. RS was sitting close to MJ's head in the ambulance and was observing MJ. There was no changes. MJ was given another round of starter drugs on the ambulance. No change. RS saw CM on his cell phone. RS says he never saw any sign of life at MJ and there was no change in MJ's situation for the 42 minutes he was with him. They arrived UCLA at 13:13 PM.

    Brazil lists monitoring equipment and asks RS if he saw them in the bedroom. RS says "No" to them all. Brazil asks if CM ever mention Propofol to RS, RS says No. RS says CM was alone in the bedroom for a while after he left the room with their equipment.

    Defense cross by Nareg Gourjian

    RS says they got the call 12:22 and left at 12:22. Gourjian mentions the call was placed at 12:20 and transferred from Beverly Hills. RS was not aware of it.

    Gourjian reminds of RS's preliminary hearing description of MJ: pale, underweight, so thin that you can see his ribs. Gourjian asks if MJ looked real sick to him. RS says he looked like he had a chronic health problem.

    Gourjian asks if it was the physical characteristics of someone that has been a drug addict for a long time. RS says he cannot say that and he has seen drug addicts that are overweight and underweight. Rs says he just thought it was a chronic illness.

    Gourjian asks about MJ being on the bed. RS says MJ was in the process of being moved, his feet on the ground and his upper torso still on the bed. IV tubing on his left calf.

    Defense asks if RS asked CM if MJ was on recreational drugs. RS says it's a common question that he asks but he doesn't remember if he asked it or not. Defense asks RS about Lorazepam. RS says he's not that knowledgeable about it.

    Defense asks about CM not answering the questions right away could be because he was busy. RS says there was a lot of things going on and he was busy.

    Defense is going over what each paramedic doing. RS repeats what he previously said. Gourjian mentions Paramedic Herron doing CPR and Paramedic Blount managing ventilation. And if CM asking for help as well it acceptable. RS answers yes you wouldn't want to do it alone. Defense reminds American Health Association (AHA) guidelines which says people should work collaboratively.

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    Murray Trial Day 4 September 30 2011

    Afternoon Session

    Defense cross by Nareg Gourjian continued

    Defense asks if the CPR should be performed where the patient is found. RS says that’s wrong. Defense reads from American Heart Association (AHA) guidelines. RS agrees with it. Defense asks if MJ had IV connected to him. RS says yes. RS says he didn’t see anything else connected to him. Defense asks if things connected will be a factor when moving a patient, RS answers yes. Defense asks if the chest comprehensions are adequate, would be irrelevant if the patient was on a bed or floor. RS says correct.

    Defense asks questions the pulse CM felt at MJ’s femoral artery. RS says he didn't suspect what CM said. Defense reminds of RS’s preliminary hearing in which he said that it’s common to get femoral pulse from CPR. Defense asked would it be likely that CM actually felt that pulse. RS answers yes.

    Defense asked why RS didn’t pronounce MJ dead as UCLA said. RS said he preferred to go to the hospital as it was a VIP patient and as he was told it was a recent arrest. CM took the control and he needed to ride in the ambulance with them. After getting MJ down to the ambulance, RS went back to the room to pick the medical equipment left behind. CM was also picking up items in plain sight. Defense asks if it's normal practice to pick up medical items, RS says yes. Defense asks if CM could have been picking up his glasses and wallet. RS says he didn't see anything and the bed was blocking his view. RS goes back to the ambulance. CM came to the ambulance in a minute or so. Defense asks about the phone call CM did at ambulance, asks RS if he heard anything. RS said he didn't hear anything. Defense asks if CM was trying to help the paramedics with anything they needed when they were at Carolwood. RS says correct.

    Defense asks is fractured ribs is a show of good CPR. RS says it is common occurrence. RS wasn’t aware that MJ sustained fractured ribs. Defense asks if RS is familiar with Propofol, RS says no.

    MJ was a combination of P.E.A (Pulseless Electrical Activity) and asystole (flat lined). Defense asks if there are certain protocols to follow if someone is P.E.A. They wouldn't shock (defibrillate) a person with P.E.A. They would give CPR and give atropine and EPI and sodium bicarbonate. Defense asks if they knew MJ was given Propofol, they wouldn't be able to anything different. Objection. Sustained.

    Brazil redirect

    Brazil asks if there was any confusion and chaos when RS’s team attempted to save MJ’s life like the defense claimed. RS says it was not the case.

    Brazil asks if RS knows the IV tubing had been replaced, removed or placed again prior to his arrival. RS says no.

    RS says that it’s accurate that they believed the femoral pulse that CM felt to be due to comprehensions and not a real pulse.

    RS says by the look of CM's face he was surprised to see him come back in the room. RS says it was "deer in the headlight" kinda look. RS says CM had a trash bag in his hand.

    Defense recross

    Defense asks RS's time of estimate for the cardiac arrest. RS says it is hard to speculate. Gourjian reminds of RS's preliminary testimony which said "at least 20-25 minutes before we arrived there". Gourjian asks if the time of arrest could have been 12:01 -12:05PM.

    Defense again asks if CM could have been getting his wallet. Objection. sustained. Defense asks if CM asked RS to close his eyes or step outside the room. RS says no.

    Brazil re re direct

    Brazil reminds of the preliminary hearing and asks if it's correct that RS said the arrest could be anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour ago. RS says correct.

    Defense re re cross

    Defense asks if CM stopped doing what he was doing when RS walked into the room. RS says no CM continued to do what he was doing.

    Martin Blount (MB) Testimony

    Brazil direct

    LA Firefighter paramedic. Worked for 20 years. Became a paramedic in 1999. Trained by UCLA doctors and nurses. Every 2 years they are required to take 48 hours of trainment. Works at firestation 71.

    MB drived the rescue ambulance. RS was sitting next to him. He came to Carolwood and parked the ambulance and went into the house. Fire truck accompanied them and parked outside the street. Fire Captain Mills, Paramedic Goodwin and Herron was on the fire truck.

    MB saw a man lying on bed. He was on the bed fully. MB saw 2 rescue personnel getting MJ to the floor. CM was sweating profousely, he was aggitated. CM said "He needs help could you help him please".

    MB has the designated role as a driver. His job is initial treatment and assessment of the patient. RS is responsible for communications and obtain information.

    MB immediately recognized it was MJ when he came in the room. MB went to the head of the patient and started basic life support. MB's job was to provide air to MJ.

    Tongue suppressor so the tongue would not go back of the throat and wouldn't block the airway.
    Head tilt back - to make airway open and unconstrusted
    Ambu bag - artificial air. More efficient than mouth to mouth. Tied it to an oxgyen tank that he brought.
    It took him a minute or so do these all

    Then he did advance life support which is endotracheal tube - 100% of the air is going into the lungs. It's better than ambu bag. He did did it in 45 seconds.

    According to Blount, MJ wasn't breathing, he wasn't moving, his eyes was fixed and dilated. MB felt that MJ was dead.

    MB observed an an oxygen tank and saw a long tube and nasal cannula attached to it. Nasal Cannula was on MJ. MB also saw an IV on MJ's leg and saw an IV bag on IV stand. He did not see any monitoring equipment in the room or on Michael.

    While MB was doing his tasks, MB was able to see the heart monitor. He saw no movement. He believed MJ was flat lined.

    RS's duty was to gather medical information. MB heard RS asked about the medications MJ took. MB heard CM said no. For previous medical condition CM said no. CM said he was a healty 50 year old man. CM said he was providing normal saline. CM said MJ was rehearsing for 16 hours and was dehydrated. MB heard RS asking if MJ was taking recreational drugs. CM said no.

    Brazil asks about stater drugs. Atropine and EPI. Paramedic Goodwin made multiple attempts to find a vein in the arms but he was unssuccessful. RS found a jugular vein on the neck to administer another round of starter drugs.

    MB saw 3 open vials of lidocaine on the floor when he was helping MJ. Lidocaine is a heart drug. Paramedics do not carry lidocaine and did not administer it. CM did not mention of giving MJ any lidocaine. MB did not hear CM mentioning Propofol.

    MB says he did not hear anyone saying they felt a pulse. Brazil reminds him of his preliminary testimony. MB then remembers that CM said he felt a pulse on MJ's groin area. They stopped the comprehensions to check it (comprehensions can create artificial pulse). When they checked, no one else felt any pulse.

    RS was communicating with UCLA base center. MB heard UCLA was ready to announce him dead. MB never saw any signs of life and did not believe MJ was alive. CM took over the control of the patient. MJ was put on a backboard and paramedics took him down to transfer him to UCLA. Before they were taking MJ down, MB saw CM taking Lidocaine vials from the floor and put them in a black bag. MB never saw those lidocaine bottles again.

    MB rode with MJ to UCLA. He was sitting towards his head. They administered another started drugs to MJ on the ride. There was no change to MJ's situation on the ride. MB saw and heard CM on the phone. MB heard CM say "It's about Michael and it doesn't look good" on the phone. MB doesn't know who CM was speaking to on the phone.

    MB saw MJ had condom catheter. It allows urine to be collected in a bag. It's typically used when someone not able to get up and go to the restroom.

    RS asked how long the patient was down. MB heard CM say "he's been down about 1 minute". MB felt MJ's skin,when he was on the bed he was warm. On the floor MJ felt cold to the touch. MB looking at MJ's condition believed he was longer than one minute.

    mid afternoon break

    Defense cross by Gourjian

    MB parked the ambulance, got his equipment went upstairs to the bedroom. MB says MJ was still on the bed. MJ looked pale and thin.

    Gourjian shows MB a picture and asks what the black thing on the bed is.

    MB doesn't know what it is.

    Gourjian asks what are recreational drugs? MB gives examples such as heroin, cocaine. CM answered that question as no. MB says he didn't hear CM mentioning lorazepam to RS.

    Defense asks if MB heard CM said "he has been down about a minute prior calling for help". MB says he didn't hear that , he only heard "about 1 minute".

    Gourjian goes over the AHA guidelines :comprehension first, airway next, breathing last. MB mentions in 2009 the rules was airway first but now the rules have changed. Gourjian asks is asking for assistance during CPR is normal, MB says yes.

    Gourjian asks about Lidocaine bottles. Lidocaine wasn't hidden, they were out in the open and in plain sight.

    Defense asks if MJ was P.E.A. MB says MJ was never P.E.A., he was flat-line the whole time.

    Dr. Richelle Cooper (RC) Testimony

    Walgren direct

    UCLA Board Certified Emergency Physician. Explains her medical background, training, education in detail.

    RC explains what is a base station: Nurses with specialized training. They answer radio calls from paramedics, help paramedics, consult with doctors to provide further information to the paramedics.

    June 25th RC was consulting with the paramedics through base station nurse. Nurse called RC after receiving the call from the paramedics after the resuciation effort were unsuccessful. RC knew the patient was incubated and received starter drugs but still asystole for 40 minutes. LA protocol say if rescuaiation efforts are unsuccessful for 20 min person can be announced dead. After receiving the information RC authorized paramedics pronounce MJ dead at 12:57.

    Nurse called RC back said there was a physician on scene requesting paramedics provide another medication. It was sodium bicarbonate. RC said if that was a physician with an active licence they can administer it but the physician need to take over the control and the patient needs to be transported to the local hospital.

    When MJ came to the hospital, the care became RC's responsibility. RC knew patient was on the way so she was waiting for the ambulance.

    She assigned a team of 14 people. It included :
    - Richelle Cooper and 4 residents
    - at least 2 emergency technicians,
    - a respitory therapist,
    - a scribe nurse to record information and make calls to get consult,
    - 2 circulating nurses,
    - a pharmacist,
    - a social worker to contact/assist family members, gather information from physicians and
    - a charge nurse who assigns other staff as it's needed.

    Additional doctors were consulted and came as needed. Administrative people came down after a while as it was MJ.

    RC's main goal is to manage MJ's care. While paramedics was transferring MJ to the trauma bay. RC was speaking CM and asked what happened. CM told MJ was working very long hours, CM believed MJ was dehyrated, CM gave him IV and gave MJ 2mg lorazepam , later gave another 2 mg lorazepam and saw MJ go into cardiac arrest. CM reported MJ had not been ill. RC asked about medications MJ has been given. RC was told MJ was given 2 doses of 2 mg lorazepam through IV.

    Walgren asks "Did CM tell any other medicines other than lorazepam?" RC says "No".

    CM said witnessed the arrest. What does it mean? RC says it's an observed arrest and the critical event happens when you are with the patient. It's when the patients heart and breathing stops. It means you are on site and saw it happen.

    RC asked for MJ's routine regular medications. She was told Valium and Flomax. Valium - anti anxiety medicine. Flomax is given for prostate or kidney stone. CM did not mention any other medicines.

    RC asked past medical history , if he had a heart problem, blood clot or drug use. CM said no to all. RC asked if he saw any seizures and if MJ had complained about chest pain, CM said no.

    RC did not see any physical trauma.

    RC says MJ was clinically dead, he didn't have a pulse. There was signs of a dying heart (heart might still send some signals), pupils were dilated. Despite this they made attempts to revive MJ. They confirmed the breathing tube was in correct place and they were breathing for the patient. They checked for pulse, there was no pulse. They started CPR and tried to resuscitate MJ. They used an ultasound to examine the heart.

    Walgren shows pictures of trauma bay and asks RC to go over all of the medical items in the trauma bay. RC identifies items one by one.

    Court adjourned till monday

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    Default Re: Murray Trial _ All daily trial Summaries - No discussion September 30th / Day 4

    Murray Trial Day 5 October 3, 2011

    Morning Session

    Dr. Richelle Cooper Resumption of Direct by David Walgren

    Cooper states that CM indicated he had given MJ 4 miligrams of lorazepam, with no mention of propofol. Cooper states that there were over 14 people in the room where MJ was at UCLA, but that she had the final say over everything that happened in the room. Cooper states that she was aware that paramedics have given "starter drugs" at the Carolwood home and also during transport to UCLA. Cooper states that at UCLA, epinephrine, sodium bicarbonate, vasopressin were all given to try to restart MJ's heart. Dopamine was given in a drip. Cooper states that chest compressions were given from time of arrival.

    Cooper states MJ arrived at 1:13 pm and was death was called 2:26, chest compressions were given continuously throughout. Cooper states MJ had an endotracheal tube, and a respiratory therapist was squeezing an ambu- bag to pump oxygen into MJ's lungs throughout. Cooper also states that MJ was hooked to monitors throughout. Cooper states that during this hour and thirteen minutes, from the time MJ arrived at UCLA, until the time of death was called, she never felt a pulse. Cooper states that when compressions were going on, they could feel a pulse. But, that a spontaneous pulse (when there are no chest compressions going on) was not found by her. Cooper states at 13:21 (military time for 1:21) one of the staff reported a pulse, but when Cooper consulted the monitor it was not consistent with a pulse.

    Cooper states that she made the decision at 2:26 pm to call the time of death, even though she called time of death at the Carolwood home at 12:57 pm. Cooper states that from 12:57 pm to 2:26 pm there had been no notable change in MJ's condition. Cooper states that she noticed a condom catheter on MJ's body. Cooper states that condom catheters are used to collect urine when unconscious. Cooper states that the condom catheter was unusual for a 50 year old male who was reportedly healthy.

    Cooper states that she did not request Murray to sign a death certificate, because MJ was her patient.

    Cooper states she did not have a reason for MJ's death and therefore MJ's case would be a coroner's case. Cooper states that there was a social work team to help with the family even before the time of MJ's death was called. Cooper states that the social work team is standard care for UCLA, not initiated by Conrad Murray. Cooper states that she was notified that MJ's children were aware that their father was dead. Cooper states that she saw the children, that they were scared and that they were fairly hysterical, and taken care of by someone referred to as their nurse.

    Defense Cross

    Cooper states she does not know exactly time of death for MJ, she bases it on what the paramedics told her, and called time of death at 12:57 pm. Cooper states based on the information she had, she believed MJ to be dead at 12:57 pm. Cooper states that she could override Murray's request to continue to try to revive Murray, but she allowed Murray to make that call. Cooper states that her assessment when MJ arrived, he was clinically dead and that any revival would be futile. Cooper stated that Murray claimed there was a pulse, so she continued efforts to save MJ.

    Cooper states she was never an anesthesiologist, but she has used propofol, at UCLA you need to have privileges. Cooper states she always practices medicine in a hospital emergency room setting. Cooper states that in her use of propofol, she uses amounts that are based by case. Cooper states that she chooses a dose that will make a patient comfortable, so that the patient does not feel pain. Cooper states she never used propofol as a pre-med student. Cooper states that if 25 mg of propofol was slowly infused in 3-5 minutes, on a patient at 135 pounds, and he received no other medications, she believes if she achieved sedation, he would wake up in seven to ten minutes. Cooper does not believe that the propofol would be completely metabolized in seven minutes. Cooper states that 25 mg is very small, and would not be sufficient to sedate a patient.

    Cooper states that Murray stated he witnessed MJ's cardiac arrest. Cooper states that she never asked what time the lorazepam was given to MJ. Cooper states that she previously testified that Murray stated he witnessed MJ's cardiac arrest. Cooper states that the half life of benzodiazepines varies greatly.

    Cooper has been to courses in procedural sedation, she has administered procedural sedation, and reviews articles on procedural sedation. Cooper states that on a healthy patient, she would start sedation at a mg per kg dose, and in MJ's case that would be 60 mg, it would keep them asleep for about 10 minutes.
    Cooper states that if Murray had told her that he had given 25 mg of propofol at 10:40, it would have not changed how she treated MJ as a patient. Cooper states that MJ died long before he became her patient.

    Cooper states that Murray stated that he thought MJ was dehydrated, had given him lorazepam, and had witnessed MJ's cardiac arrest. Cooper states that Murray told her MJ took Flomax which is typically taken for a urinary problem.

    Cooper states that while it is normal to take a rectal temperature, but Cooper cannot recall if it was done. Cooper states that rectal temperature would not tell her time of death. Cooper states that there is a protocol for LA county paramedics, with 20 minutes of revival procedures, after 20 minutes with no change, it's time to call time of death. Cooper states that this is the first time that paramedics have ever asked her to continue revival procedure after she tells them to call the time of death.

    Cooper states that she does not recall Murray being frantic, but to be honest, she does not pay that much attention to someone other than the patient. Cooper does not recall much about Murray's demeanor, except that Murray was respectful in that he was not allowed to do procedures in the emergency room. Cooper states that Murray and a Dr. Cruz had a conversation, which she did not hear, but then the aortic pump was inserted. Cooper states that there was no urine present in the condom catheter or the collection bag. Cooper states that had there been urine, Cooper would have sent it to the lab to be analyzed.

    Walgren Redirect

    Cooper states that she assumed that Conrad Murray was not lying to her. Cooper states that Murray told her that MJ was working hard, was dehydrated and he had given him lorazepam. Cooper states that all physicians do not have propofol privileges. Cooper states that they have equipment set up within a room and outside a room for issues arising in a patient who has received propofol. Cooper states that there is always an attending physician present, plus other physicians when administering propofol or another anesthetic agent.

    Defense Cross

    Cooper states that when administering propofol, it should go in as a slow infusion through a bolus. Cooper states that a direct injection of propofol would cause apnea, although she has never seen a direct injection done. Cooper states that continual propofol usage is rare.

    Walgren Redirect

    Cooper states that she is prepared as a an emergency physician to intubate patients or attend to patient's airway during procedural sedation.

    Defense Recross

    Cooper states she has never had a patient stop breathing during a procedural sedation. Cooper states that if there is a problem, the first thing to do is to stimulate the patient, meaning wake the patient up and that that is almost always sufficient. Cooper states that if a doctor was to administer 60 mgs to 60 kg patient, the doctor would be able to see insufficient breathing right away, that it could be determined by seeing, but that capnography would be able to detect a breathing problem first.

    mid morning break

    Edward Dixon Testimony

    Brazil Direct

    Dixon states he works for AT & T as a senior support engineer since 1997. Dixon states that he is familiar with preparations of cell phone records and has testified previously in cases regarding cell phone records. Dixon states he has reviewed Murray's cell phone records. Dixon states that Murray's cell phone account status was active in June, 2009.

    Dixon states that on June 25, 2009, calls were made:
    - 9:23 am Call placed to Murray's phone lasting 22 minutes
    -10:14 am Call placed to Murray's phone lasting 2 minutes
    -11:07 am Call placed to Murray's phone lasting 1 minute
    -11:18 am Call placed from Murray's phone lasting 32 minutes
    -11:49 am Call placed to Murray's phone lasting 3 minutes
    - 11:51 am Call placed from Murray's phone lasting 11 minutes
    - 12:12 pm Call placed from Murray's phone lasting 1 minute
    -12:15 pm Call placed to Murray's phone lasting 1 minute
    - 3:38 pm Call placed from Murray's phone lasting 2 minutes
    - 4:31 pm Call placed from Murray's phone lasting 1 minute
    -4:32 pm Same as above
    -5:02 pm Same as above

    Dixon states that cell phone contains data as well as calls. Dixon states that data activity occurred on Murray's cell phone on June 25, 2009:
    - 1:04 am, 2:04 am, 3:04 am, 4:04 am, 5:04 am and 6:04 am, Dixon states that this is pull notification, and that information is pulled to the phone.
    -8:54 am - 5:02 pm Data activity

    Gourjian Defense cross

    Dixon states the records do not identify who is using the phone. Dixon states that there is no way to identify what is said in a text message sent from any AT&T phone (referring to data activity). Dixon states that he does not know, as of today, who own the cell phones that Murray called on June 25, 2009. Essentially, Dixon states that he can tell if calls went to voicemail or they were answered only if they made from or to AT&T phones.

    Dixon states that regarding data usage, the data is set automatically, in this case, it was set at 1:04 am, 2:04 am, 3:04 am, 4:04 am, 5:04 am and 6:04 am.

    11:07 am, phone call to Murray's call, Dixon states that he cannot tell whether the call was answered or it went to voicemail. Dixon then looks to his records, looking specifically at the duration of the call, and states it is identified as an incoming call, length is 1 minute, but he still cannot tell if it went to voicemail or answered.

    Brazil Redirect

    Brazil corrects that 3:38 pm call is wrong, it is 3:58 pm.

    Jeff Strohom Testimony

    Brazil Direct

    Strohm states that he is a custodian of records for Sprint/Nextel, and is responsible testifying for courts who require it. Strohm states that the subscriber for the number that Brazil asks, is Conrad Murray. Strohm states that calls were made from or to Murray's phone on 6/25/09:
    - 7:01 am Call made to Murray lasting 25 seconds
    - 8:25 am Call made from Murray lasting 0 seconds (text message)
    - 8:39 am Call made from Murray lasting 53 seconds
    - 10:20 am Call made to Murray lasting 111 seconds
    - 10:34 am Call made from Murray lasting 8 1/2 minutes
    - 11:26 am Call made to Murray lasting 7 seconds
    - 1:08 pm Call made from Murray lasting 2 minutes

    Gourjian Defense Cross

    Strohm states that the 11:26 am call cannot tell whether the phone was answered or not, but that the call is not a voicemail.

    Dr. Thao Nyguen Testimony

    Dr. Nguyen states she works at UCLA as a cardiologist/scientist. Nguyen 20% of her time spent as a cardiologist, 80% of her time she researches. Nguyen states that in June, 2009, she was a cardiology fellow. Cooper states her responsibilities included taking care of patients that were critically ill in CCU at UCLA, managing patients and supervising her was Dr. Daniel Cruz.

    Cooper states she was called into the emergency room at UCLA to help with the patient MJ. Cooper states she received a page that the ER needed help with a VIP patient, named Michael Jackson. Nguyen states that Dr. Cooper was treating MJ when she arrived at the emergency room. Nguyen states that Murray introduced himself to her as MJ's private physician. Nguyen asked Murray what happened, and Murray replied that MJ was very tired, he was preparing for a concert tour. Nguyen states that she asked Murray if there were any drugs given, Murray stated 4 mg of Ativan (another name for lorazepam). Nguyen asked if any other medications were given, Murray stated no other medications given.

    Nguyen states that she asked what time the Ativan was given, Murray stated he did not know. Nguyen states that Murray told him he found MJ not breathing, Nguyen asked what time was that, Murray stated he did not know. Nguyen states that she then asked Murray what time was 911 called, Murray stated he did not know, he had no concept of time because he did not have a watch. Nguyen states she asked for an estimate from Murray from the time he found him not breathing to the time he called 911, Murray was not able.

    Nguyen states that Murray never mentioned propofol to her. Nguyen states that after receiving from Murray, she consulted Dr. Cruz. Murray told them that he found a pulse, but Dr. Nguyen nor Dr. Cruz found a pulse. Murray asked both Nguyen and Cruz to continue to try to revive MJ, to not give up easily. Nguyen states that the next thing to do to try to revive MJ is to use a balloon pump for MJ's heart. Nguyen states that she feared they were running too late, that time was not on MJ's side.

    Lunch break

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    Default Re: Murray Trial _ All daily trial Summaries - No discussion September 30th / Day 4

    Murray Trial Day 5 October 3 2011

    Afternoon Session

    Thao Nguyen (TN)Testimony

    Walgren Direct continued

    What is a balloon pump? It is inserted into aorta to help heart. She was doubtful that it would help. It looked like time wasn't on MJ's side and he looked lifeless. She went forward with the balloon pump to show good faith. TN and Dr. Cruz (attenting cardiologist) could not felt a pulse but CM told them he felt a pulse and asked them not to give up easily on MJ and try to save his life. TN and Dr. Cruz moved forward with balloon pump even though they thought it was futile. Dr. Cruz decided and authorizated the ballon pump. It was quite smoothly placed but the attempt was futile.

    Before they did the balloon pump placement, they made an agreement with CM that this would be the last attempt to save MJ and if it didn't work they would stop the efforts.

    Dr. Nguyen: "We wanted Mr. Jackson to depart with dignity and respect, so we decided to end our efforts. "

    Shortly after the balloon pump MJ was pronounced dead.

    CM did not mention propofol during all these balloon pump efforts.

    Defense Flanagan cross

    TN was called a minute before 1:35. TN remembers the time because she looked to her pager. TN was on the 7th floor in the rounding room of cardiac care. She talked to Dr. Cooper when she came into the trauma bay and Dr. Cooper pointed and introduced her to CM saying that CM is the physican for MJ.

    TN knew the patient was MJ because page she received was a code for "VIP named Michael Jackson".

    TN talked and asked CM first because he was the primary source . She always goes to the source and then talks to ucla attending doctor (Dr. cooper).

    CM said to TN that MJ was having hard time sleeping, MJ was tired because of preparation/ rehearsal for the concert tour and MJ asked for sleeping aid. CM told TN that he gave MJ "Ativan 4 mg IV" .

    CM didn't tell her that he gave it in 2 seperate doses. CM didn't mention Valium or Flomax and said no when she asked if there was any other sedatives and narcotics involved. CM did not recall the time when gave Ativan to MJ. CM didnot remember the time of the arrest. CM did not recall when he called EMS.

    TN had some concerns: 1)time was not on their side 2) IV for insomnia for outpatient setting is quite uncommon. The dosage wasn't too high but there was a lifeless patient.

    4mg of Ativan by IV would put a person to sleep. TN would start with 1 mg by a mouth. IV would be stronger than by mouth usage. She wouldn't use Ativan in outpatient setting and even inpatient setting because they are better drugs that are non-sedatives and non-narcotics.

    Recommended dosage for Ativan is 2 -4 mg by mouth for an adult. 2 mg Ativan by IV would put a patient to sleep pretty quick in 5-7 minutes depending on the patient. If a person is used the drug before it can take them longer to sleep. Ativan half time is 12 +- 5 hours. TN says the amount of sleep would depend on the patient and the conditions. She says that normally people would be able to sleep through the night with that dose.

    Defense asks about the second dose of 2mg Ativan and if it would put the person to sleep. TN says yes if the person has not developed higher tolerance , if they had a high tolerance they would need higher dosage. TN also mentions that the even though a person's tolerance to drug could increase, their body's tolereance level to toxicty wouldn't increase.

    Defense asks 20 mg Ativan IV, TN says that it's a really high dose. Defense asks if it would kill a person. TN says that Ativan affects the brain and will make the brain sleepy (depress the consciousness) and it would not tell the diaphragm to breath.

    Defense talks about half life of Ativan. Defense asks if Ativan would be expected in to be present in blood at 12:00PM if 2mg is given at 2 AM and 5 AM.

    Defense asks if they would watch the patient if they gave them Ativan. TN says that multiple people watch them until they would gain total consciousness.

    Slurry speech is mentioned and TN says that it would be an affect of Ativan. TN has used Propofol. She says that they don't hear slurred speech in Propofol.

    CM sounded desperate and looked devastated. CM said "Do not give up easily, please save his life".

    There was no pulse but TN didn't know how long he didn't have pulse. TN believed when she was called to come down, CPR was partially successful. All TN knows when she came down MJ appeared lifeless and TN and Dr. Cruz could not find a pulse. There was typically no reason to use a balloon pump.

    TN says as CM was there and he was trained and knew how to take pulse so TN gave CM the benefit of the doubt and believed when he said he felt a pulse.

    Defense asks when they did the balloon pump. She says that they got the equipment in 5-7 minutes and did the balloon pump immediately after they got the equipment.

    Defense again goes over the agreement they did with CM to do balloon pump and stop if it doesn't work. TN repeats multiple times of her previous explanations.

    TN says she asked CM if he gave anthing to reverse the effect of atrivan. Later TN explains the drug Flumazenil. 0.2 mg to prevent the further depression of the brain. To reverse the effect of Ativan it should be given immediately like in seconds. Defense questions about window of opportunity. TN says seconds to minutes (2-3 minutes). TN says you can 100% reverse Ativan but if you wait too long then you would zero chance to reverse it. It must be given as soon as you find the patient. TN says that antidote should be to be at hand when giving Ativan to a patient. TN says the next step will be to incubate the patient and to be put on a ventilator to breathe.

    Defense asks is she would expect 4 mg Ativan need Flumazenil. TN says she would not typically expect any complications in a person that is accustomed to the drug and tolerant to it. TN adds that anything can happen and they always use it at a monitored environment with oxygen on board.

    Walgren redirect

    TN use propofol at the hospital but uses an anesthesiologist in procedures. TN says at least 3 people will be in the room - cardiologist,anesthesiologist and a nurse. TN says Propofol will be administered in a hospital setting and furthermore only in an ICU or procedure room. TN also mentions that it would be administered in a designated place, with designated personnel and necessary equipment. TN says that crash cart should be available. TN says she wouldn't administer Propofol without the necessary equipment.

    TN mentions Propofol can cause negative effects and that it doesn't have an antidote so that they should be prepared for the worst when giving Propofol before they even start administering it. TN mentions it's a must.

    Flanagan recross

    Defense asks if Propofol can be used for other reasons than procedures. Defense asks if TN knows conscious sedation. Defense mentions that TN only used Propofol during a procedure so divided the responsibility with anesthesiologist and asks if there's no procedure could she give it alone (be in charge of giving Propofol). TN replies " I don't use Propofol when there's no procedure being done". Flanagan says that's because she never practiced outside a hospital. TN says she does work outside a hospital setting and she would never use Propofol in an outpatient setting.

    Defense asks how much Propofol she would give to someone MJ's size. TN says that it would depend the conditions and if other sedatives were used.

    Flanagan states Propofol being commonly used outside hospital setting. TN disagrees , Flanagan asks if TN knows Propofol being given at a dentist offices and gastroenterologist, TN says she was not aware of it and never asked what they gave and wasn't interested. TN says that she was only concerned with what is given to her.

    Walgren redirect

    Walgren asks TN if she has ever heard Propofol being used in someone's home in a private residence, she says that's a first.

    Dr. Joanne Prashad (JP) Testimony

    Brazil Direct

    JP Internal medicine physician for 9 years at a Houston Hospital.

    JP was called to evaluate a patient for a surgery to see if the patient can undergo surgery. JP generally sees the patient, takes their medical history, does a physical exam and she would review medical charts. The patient had a recent surgery done by CM, CM had placed a stent to an artery on his leg to keep a blood vessel open. Patient was taking medications (Plavix) which was a concern for the surgeon and the anesthologist.
    Patient had an open wound on the leg that went to the bone. If they do the surgery the wound would additional bleed. The concern was that if the patient could continue to take Plavix or not.

    The stent was put into 4.5 months ago. JP saw that he was taking plavix medicine , generally it's taken for 6 months. She needed to learn if the medicine could be stopped. JP wanted to ask CM what was his opinion about this patient and if she can tell the patient to stop the plavix and have the surgery.

    Brazil questions about medical chart and asks if they are important. JP says they are important because they can get the accurate medical information from them. Patient generally don't know the details of the medications and previous procedures.

    Shee called CM's office and was given a phone number it was a answering service. She called the office again and was given a second phone number. JP called the second number and explains her reason for calling and she asked if this patient needs to continue to take Plavix or if they can stop it and the patient can have the surgery. CM was clear, he said the patient need to continue the medicine for 6 months and postpone the surgery until that the time period was over. CM properly told the medicine dosage and his treatment plan.

    She was surpised that she called out of the blue and he was able to give an answer. Generally doctors would say they need to review the chart and call back. CM was clear about the treatment and about the need for the medication.

    10:20 AM . It was a brief call. CM provided the information she needed. She decided to postpone the procedure based on the information she got from CM.

    Defense Chernoff cross

    Defense mentions that a lot of the times doctors doens't remember the patient but CM did, he knew the treatment, he knew the medication. Chernoff asks if she was impressed with CM, she says she was impressed.

    Mid Afternoon Break

    Antoinette Gill Testimony

    She's from Las Vegas, Nevada. She has known Murray for over 10 years. She was referred to him by a client of hers. She is a patient of CM.

    Mid June she received a letter from CM's office. It said that CM was going on to a sabbatical. She called CM's cell phone on June 25th at 8:45AM . She had a short normal conversation. She was seeking referral for another physician she didn't receive it.

    No Defense Cross

    Consuelo Ng (CN) testimony

    CN met CM 2003 -2004 when CM was treating her grandmother. CN says CM helped to cure her grandmother. She volunteered to work at CM's Las Vegas office and she was working as a caregiver at a group home. She's not a nurse.

    She consistently volunteered in CM's Las Vegas office 5 days a week. She worked at the front and back of the office. She did filing, answered phones and took vitals of the patients.

    She knows Robert Russell who used the ECP room. 3 other girls Carol, Sarah, Leah worked at CM's office. Carol mostly handles the front office - checking in patient, scheduling appointments , answering the phones, authorizations from insurance and verification and filing of insurances. Leah works at back of the office also answer calls and help the front if needed. Sarah does the same. None of them are registered nurse. They are not licensed vocational nurses. All of them did whatever needd in the office. CM also has an assistant administrator Stacy who worked from San Diego. Stacy order supplies, process payroll.

    CM will be in Houston for a week and next week he will be in Las Vegas. Las Vegas office will be open when CM was in Houston . When CM is in Houston they would provide ECP threaphy and an Echo tech would come and do echocardiogram (echo).

    ECP threaphy : They would wrap lower extremities, they put the patient on a Blood Pressure cuff, check oxygen level, hook up the patient on machine. They would check the oxygen level with a machine that they put it on the finger.

    When CM was not in office he would call the office daily to check. When CM was in Houston they would see patients in a partial day basis. CM did not perform procedures in his office. His procedures will be on Friday at the hospital.

    June 2009 - she did not know CM was in California. CM would call in to say to rechedule some patients.
    Brazil mentions the June 15 letter sent to CM's patients telling that the CM would leave his practice for a period of time. CM told his staff that he was the personal physician of MJ before the June 15 letter. They would continue working for CM, another physician would come and would take over but it wasn't set up.
    June 25, she was working in the office with Carol, Leah and Sarah. CM called the office, she did not speak to him. 11:18 AM 32 minute call. She did not speak to him, someone else from the office could have talked to CM. It was his normal habit to call the office when he was away.

    They went to lunch, they weren't seeing patients that day. When they got back from lunch, they got a call from their biller. That how they found up something happened to MJ.

    Defence cross Chernoff

    Defense asks if she was supbeonad to testify. She says yes.

    Defense goes over CM's schedule. Mondays and wednesdays he sees patients in the afternoon, mornings makes rounds in the hospital. Tuesdays see patients mornings, make rounds in the afternoons. Fridays he does procedures at the hospital.

    Defense again goes over if CM would call the office and what they would do in the office when CM was away. She repeats the previous answers.

    Defense asked why she volunteered to work in CM's office. She says because she wanted to learn and experience how it is working as a medical assistant was. she saw how CM treated her grandmother.

    Chernoff question : Did CM had a tendency to become friends with his patients? Yes. Patients had an attachment to CM? Yes they did.

    She stopped working CM because of what happened , CM shut down his practice due to what happened with MJ Objection. Sustained.

    CM talked everyone at the same time and told that he was going on sabbatical to go on tour with MJ. They were excited "because it was MJ and everyone knows MJ". CM told them he would be back by the end of year.

    Bridgette Morgan testimony

    Brazil Direct

    She met CM in 2003 in a social setting. She maintained a relationship / friendship with CM. CM told her that he was MJ's personal physician.

    She called CM on June 25th. 11:26 AM. CM didn't answer the phone.

    Defense cross

    She lives in LA since 1998.

    Brazil redirect

    She met CM in Las Vegas.

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    Default Re: Murray Trial _ All daily trial Summaries - No discussion October 3rd / Day 5

    Murray Trial Day 6 October 4 , 2011

    Morning Session

    Stacey Ruggels (SR) Testimony

    Brazil Direct

    SR has worked for CM since 1997. June 25. 10:34 AM phone call. She talked to CM for 8.5 minutes. 11:07AM she called CM back. She spoke to him again.

    Chenoff Cross

    Defense asks what the conversation was about. SR says she called CM to let CM know that she had sent the email. It was brief call.

    Defense asks if she helped CM to open an office in Houston in 2005. CM wanted to open an office for his father's memory. Her duty was to look for places to open office. They opened the office in July 10, 2006.

    After the Houston office opened he would go every other week - one week Houston one week in Las Vegas.

    Type of patients in Houston office are people that are on fixed income and cannot afford to see physicians. Houston was a high volume office, CM saw a lot of patients. CM did not profit from the Houston office, there was very minimal income coming from that office.

    SR learned CM was going to work for MJ April 2009. She was involved with trying get another cardiologist for CM's place.

    Brazil Redirect

    Brazil asks how many offices Murray had as of June 2009. CM only had 2 offices in Las Vegas and Houston.

    Michelle Bella Testimony

    Brazil Direct

    Bella met CM in February 2008. She met CM in a Las Vegas club that she was working. CM gave her his phone number. She called CM. CM called her as well. CM sent her text messages and she had sent him text messages.

    June 25th CM sent her a text message. June 16th she received a voice mail from CM.

    Brazil wants to play the June 16 voice mail. Objection. Side Bar.

    Brazil asks if CM told her if he was MJ's doctor. She says yes. CM also mentioned working for MJ on the voice mail. On the voice mail did CM said he hoped to meet with her in the club? She says yes but the answer is stricken.

    No defense recross

    Sade Anding (SA) Testimony

    Brazil Direct

    She lives in Houston Texas and worked as a waitress. CM gave her his phone number when they met Feb 2009. After that first meeting and phonecall they spent time together and communicted by calling each other. They exchanged text messages as well. They maintained regular contact and got to know each other better.

    June 25. CM called her. She was in Houston. The call was 11:51 AM. CM said "Hello it's CM. How are you doing?" She asked "how he was doing?" and said "I haven't talked to you in a while". SA had seen CM in May in Houston and went to dinner. CM said "Well.." and paused. SA said "let me tell you about my day". CM didn't respond. She realized that CM was no longer saying anything on the phone. SA says she realized 5 to 6 minutes into the phone call CM wasn't saying anything back to her. SA said "Hello Hello" she didn't hear anything. SA pressed the phone to her ear and heard mumbling of voices. It was like the phone was in CM's pocket. She also heard coughing.

    She did not recognize who the mumling voice was. She said "hello hello are you there hello" several times. She didn't receive any response from CM. SA hang up the phone can tried to call back and text multiple times but there was no replies.
    SA later learned that MJ was dead.

    Brazil tries to ask about the next phonecall she had with CM after MJ was dead. Objection. Sidebar.

    July 23, 2009. SA's father told her that LAPD detectives was in Houston and wanted to speak with her. SA called CM and talked to him. She told that LAPD detectives wanted to talk to her. CM said "why they are calling you? I'm sorry they are contacting you. I'm going to give you my lawyer's number. Make sure that when you speak to LAPD to have my lawyer present".

    Defense Chernoff Cross

    Chernoff goes over June 25th phonecall. Chernoff asks if the voices she heard could be CM. SA answers yes. Defense asks how long she was on the phone before she hang up after she realized CM wasn't responding. SA says 3 to 4 minutes.

    Nicole Alvarez (NA) Testimony

    Brazil Direct

    NA met CM at 2005 in a club at Las Vegas. They exchanged phone numbers and kept in contact. A few months later their relationship became something beyond friendship. She was in a relationship with CM in 2009 and gave birth to a son in March 2009. She had been living in her apartment for 3-4 years.

    CM told her that he was MJ's personal physician in 2008. NA says that she was interested and excited about hearing that CM was MJ's doctor. NA says that she didn't ask questions as she respected CM's profession.

    NA says that she met MJ around 2008. She was introduced by CM. CM arranged the meeting as a surprise to NA. She was speechless when she met MJ. She met MJ at his home. At the time she met MJ, he was the only patient of CM's that she met. NA says after MJ's death she met some of CM's patient in Houston.

    NA says she accompanied CM to MJ's residence 2-3 times. MJ wanted to see her son. She went to MJ's residence after March 2009.

    NA knew that CM had practices Las Vegas and Houston. NA says CM didn't mention having a medical practice in California.

    NA says that she still lives with CM. CM in 2009 was living in her residence and was paying her rent of $2500 and provided financial support.
    NA says she's an actress. Brazil asks where NA was working in May and June 2009. NA says she was maintaining her instrument (herself), going on casting calls, auditioning and refining her craft.

    April 2009. CM was living with NA but not on full time basis. CM was maintaining his practices and knew that CM was MJ's personal physician. CM would leave at night time to go to MJ. NA knew that CM was working for MJ, she didn't know at what capacity.

    CM's routine. CM would leave around 9 PM and return in the morning sometimes it would be early morning (6-7 AM) and later he started to come around 8-9-10 AM. CM would go very frequently with a few off days.

    May 2009. CM's activities would be similar to the April 2009. NA at times called CM while he was working MJ , she says the calls were brief.
    June 2009 CM's schedule was similar. NA knew that MJ getting ready for his concert tour. NA didn't ask CM about the show and rehearsals because she thought she would see the show as she would be accompanying CM to London. She learned they would be going to London in March 2009.

    NA wasn't aware of the negotiation details but she knew that they were arranging places for them to live. NA says that she don't recall reveiving CM's contract through fax. Brazil reminds her about her preliminary hearing in which she said she saw the AEG contract. NA says she never read the details. Brazil goes over the preliminary hearing testimony and readsthat NA received a fax and looked to the contract and she looked and knew that CM would be paid $150,000. NA says as of now she doesn't recall that moment. NA says that if she said that's what happened then it's true.

    NA didn't know when they were going to London. NA knew that they would be gone until November.

    mid morning break

    Direct continued

    April, May, June CM was living with NA's apartment and was providing care to MJ. At the same time packages addressed to CM were being delivering to her house. CM would tell her that he's expecting packages. CM didn't tell her what was in the packages. NA says she didn't know what the packages contained. NA says she didn't open the packages. NA signed for the packages. CM also received mail at her address. Some packages was left at her door and sometimes they were left in the common area. NA would make sure that CM knew that he had a package.

    Brazil enters Fedex receipts into evidence dated April 8th, April 29th, May 1st, May 13th, May 15th, June 11 and June 16th.

    June 25th. 1:08 PM. CM called NA's home number. CM told her he was on the way to the hospital with MJ. CM didn't want her to be alarmed. She received phonecalls from CM in the late afternoon. CM came to her house in the late afternoon.

    No defense cross

    Tim Lopez (TL) Testimony

    Brazil Direct

    Tim Lopez owner and pharmacist of Applied Pharmacy. Applied pharmacy is a specialized pharmacy that made compounds.

    TL received a phone call from CM at November 2008. CM told that he had patient having Vitiligo and needed Benoquine. TL needed to look to the raw materials to see if he can make the Benoquine. TL told CM he would look into it and let him know. During their office move TL lost CM's information and didn't call him back.

    March 2009. TL received a phonecall from CM. CM asked why TL didn't call him back. TL told him that they were in the middle of the move and lost his phone number. TL got his contact information again and promised that he would keep in touch.

    TL looked for the compounds to create Benoquine. CM asked what strentgh TL could make the cream, he said he can make the standard 20% strength. TL said they can make 40 of 30gr tubes. CM placed an order. CM was also told about preordering and he needed to pay up front. CM said he had many African American patients that suffer from Vitiligo and this was a trial basis to see how the medicine worked. CM told he had multiple clinics and would use the cream overseas as well. CM would have come to TL's office to pick it up and pay with a company check for $1,200

    CM provided TL with his medical office in Las Vegas and he told him his DEA licence number and his medical license number. TL verified CM's medical license and DEA number.

    TL says as the cream was asked for a "trial basis" and under doctor control he didn't need to know the patient's name. TL says he would need to know the name of the patient once they are prescribed the cream for home use.

    When CM came to pick up the cream, he discussed if the cream could be delievered to his office. TL said they could. TL also said they needed to have credit card on account for future orders. CM gave him his credit card number.

    April 2009. CM called TL and said he was happy with the cream. CM asked if the pharmacy was able to order other stuff for his offices. CM asked him to find pricing and availability of normal saline IV bags and Propofol.

    TL says he didn't sell Propofol before CM asked him about him. CM wanted 100ml and 20ml sizes. TL found out the pricing information for Propofol. CM placed an order on April 6th on the phone. 10 bottles of 100ml Propofol and 25 bottles of 20ml Propofol.

    The first shipment was sent to CM's Vegas office. CM removed some items and asked if the rest can be shipped to his office in LA.

    April 28 order. 40 bottles of 100ml Propofol and 25 bottles of 20ml Propofol.

    Lunch Break

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    Default Re: Murray Trial _ All daily trial Summaries - No discussion October 4th / Day 6 Morning Testimony

    Murray Trial Day 3 October 4, 2011

    Afternoon Session

    Brazil Direct Continued

    April 30. CM inquired about availability of Lorazepam and Midazolam in injectible form. Lorazepam is also available in a pill format. 10 vials of 10ml Lorazepam, 20 vials of 2ml Midazolam.

    First 2 weeks of May. TL discussed several items with CM. CM had a concern with the base of Benoquin, wanted it to be less greasy. TL said he could do several formulas. CM also asked if it could be done in a larger packaging size. CM wanted packaging to look better.

    CM wanted energy formulations for boost. CM didn't want any narcotics or prescription drugs , he wanted natural products. CM said this was for wakefulness and energy. TL said he would look into it.

    CM said his patients were complaining about injection site pain. CM wanted a topical anesthetic that only had lidocaine cream in it. TL did a mix for him that had 2% Lidocaine. Such creams are rub onto the skin before injecting a needle.

    May 12 receipt. 40 vials of 100ml Propofol. 25 vials of 20ml Propofol. 20 vials of 2ml Midazolam. 10 vials of 0.5 ml Flumazenil . Lidocaine cream 30 gr.

    May 14. TL talked with CM about Lidocaine cream. CM wasn't getting the desired responde with thr 4% cream and wanted him to increase the strenght to 4 %. CM asked about the energy formulation. TL suggested several items to CM and agreed to do more research on it. TL also said that he would change the base of the Benoquin cream and would send CM 3 samples and CM would determine which one he liked better. CM asked TL about Hydroquinone cream (used for Vitiligo) and CM was interested in receiving a sample.

    TL was driving to LA airport that weekend. Rather than charging CM delivery fees, TL offerred to drive the items to CM's office in LA. CM said there was no need for it and he can just ship them as he always does.

    May 14 order. Lidocaine cream 4%.

    June 1. TL had another talk about energy formulations. CM requested TL send some samples so that he can try them. TL shipped these items with June 10 order.

    June 10. 25 vials 30ml Lidocaine . 40 vials of 100ml Propofol . 50 vials of 20ml Propofol. Hydroquinone 60 gr 20 tubes. Benoquin 60 gr 20 tubes.

    June 15. CM said he was happy with the energy formulation. 10 vials 10ml Lorazepam , 20 vials 2 ml Midazolam . Saline IV 1000ml 12 bags.
    CM never told him tha he was the doctor for MJ. CM never mentioned any name of his patients.

    June 23 -24. TL talked with CM on the phone. There was a lot of background noise and he couldn't understand what CM said. TL said he would call him back. TL didn't call CM. On June 25 he learned that MJ died.

    Brazil asks total number of Propofol bottles. 255 bottles of Propofol. 20 vials of Lorazepam. 60 vials of Midazolam.

    Gourjian cross

    TL put in the DEA number in their system. There was no red flags. CM was authorized to make these orders.

    Benoquin is not controlled substance. Propofol is not controlled substance.

    Gourjian asks if there's a regulation that says he could only ship to clinics and/or hospitals. TL says he doesn't know any regulations.

    Gourjian tries to ask what TL's delivery person said about CM (all positive and nice things). It's is sustained as it's hearsay.

    Gourjian asks if the medicines are for an office use, they won't disclose the patient names when ordering. TL says yes as they wouldn't know who the patient will be. Gourjian asks if this will also apply to high profile patients.

    Brazil redirect

    Talks about confidentiality. Asks if a physican tells the patient's identity if TL would keep it private. TL says yes.

    Court ends early due to some scheduling issues

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    Default Re: Murray Trial _ All daily trial Summaries - No discussion October 4th / Day 6 Full Testimony

    Murray Trial Day 7 October 5, 2011

    Sally Hirschberg (SH) Testimony

    Prosecutor Walgren Direct

    SH states that she is employed with SeaCoast Medical, a medical and pharmaceutical distributor and they sell medical supplies. SH states she is an account rep and she has been employed there for 10 years. SH states that they have an account record of medical order records held by Conrad Murray.

    SH states that she holds records for a Conrad Murray on Flamingo Road in Las Vegas. SH states that records reflect a Consuelo Ng, was the account rep that SH worked with who represented Murray. SH states that Murray's account was created in December 2006, and that the address was always the address in Las Vegas. SH states that an order was placed 12/16/08, and then there is a lull in activity until 4/14/09. SH states that prior to 4/09, even though there was no activity, there were phone conversations between she and Connie Ng, with Murray requesting an infusion IV set. SH states that 3/25/09, Murray via Ng requested a case of Safe Site infusion IV sets. SH states that on 3/26/09, the account had a credit card declined, so the infusion set was not shipped. SH states that on 3/31/09, nothing yet had been resolved as far as payment. SH states that with regard to the infusion sets, 24 come in a case.

    SH states that on 4/13/09, she spoke to Ng, Ng asked her to send the infusion sets to a residential address in CA, but SH did not agree, it brought up a red flag in her opinion. SH states that on 4/14/09, the invoice shows that the products ordered were a case of sodium chloride solution, a blood pressure cuff, some parts for the blood pressure cuff, components for infusion sets, a tubing device, 20 gauge 1 inch 3 cc syringe needles, IV catheters 25 gauge (50 in a box), transparent dressing a type of bandage, set of syringes 30 cc (40 in pkg), IV catheters, ultrasound equipment, electrode gauze (would attach to EKG machine), alcohol prep pads, gauze sponge, drape sheet (fabric cover that would drape over patient), saline bags (48), sodium chloride bags, and that the order was processed to a credit card belonging to Conrad Murray. SH states that latex gloves, IV components for infusion sets, XL administration sets, exam paper for the bed, exam gloves were also ordered.

    SH states that on 4/16/09, lidocaine 1% 25 of them were shipped. SH states that on 4/21/09, blood pressure cuff and components, medex injection adapters, IV catheters were ordered and shipped on 4/24/09 as well the pump IV set. SH states that on 5/12/09, her records reflect that 25 1% 30 lidocaine, more medex T connectors, a child's blood pressure cuff, tape, tourniquets, more medex catheters, blood pressure cuff for adult, shipped on 5/12/09. SH states that the blood pressure cuff is packaged inside a plastic bag and then in a white box, manufactured by Starline. SH states that alcohol pads, 10 cc syringes (100 in a box), saline bags, 10 cc syringes 22 gauge (100 in a box), hypodermic needles (50 in a box) were ordered.

    SH states that on 5/19/09, Murray's order is more infusion connectors, blood pressure device for a child, IV catheters (50 in a box), urine pads, external catheter medium for urine collection, urine collection bags were ordered.

    SH states that on June 1, 2009, an ambu-bag, and an airway kit was ordered. SH states that this is the first time an ambu-bag was ever ordered, and that the airway kit price is $2.02 per kit. When asked SH states that the airway kit has six in a package.

    SH states that on 6/15/09, she talked to Ng about urine bags, that Ng wanted a small urine bag, and SH told her she was not aware that small urine bags were made. SH states that she later talked to Ng, who had contacted the manufacturer directly, and that small urine collection bags were not made. SH states that on 6/22/09, Murray's invoice order includes catheters external wide band (small) was backordered and not shipped, urine bags, which were shipped, leg bags for catheters (medium) were ordered but not shipped. SH states that she told Ng that there would be increased cost, as Ng requested the order was shipped overnight.

    SH states that she spoke to Ng on 6/26/09 at 9:26 am PST, and that SH cancelled the order per Ng's request.

    Chernoff Cross

    SH states that Murray's company, Global CardioVascular has been doing business with SeaCoast since 2006.

    SH states that it is not unusual for Murray's practice to order lidocaine or infusion pump sets, but not often. SH states that her records go back to July, 2007. SH states that 7/20/07, a horizon pump set was ordered, and it was the same set that was ordered in April 24, 2009. SH states that on October 5, 2007 a horizon pump set, the same set that was ordered on 6/24/08. SH states that just by looking at certain items, she is able to identify them, others she cannot.

    SH reaffirms that on April 25, and May 12 a set of IV administrations were ordered, and that there are 50 per case.

    Stephen Marx Testimony

    Prosecutor Walgren Direct

    SM states that he was employed in the computer forensics lab for the DEA in June, 2009. SM states he had at that time, he had worked there for 5 and a half years. SM states that he is familiar with the iPhone, and that it is basically a mobile computer. SM states that he analyzed Conrad Murray's iPhone.

    SM states that he did a forensic analysis on the iPhone on 7/28/09. SM states that he found screenshots on the phone dated 6/25/09, the first screenshot shows that at 7:03 am the phone was viewed for data. SM states that at 9:45 am, the screenshot indicates that the phone was viewed for data. SM states that the screenshot shows that Connie Ng was sending emails to Murray's phone on 6/25/09. SM states he was able to determine the contents of the emails.

    SM states that there was an email sent from Connie Ng to Conrad Murray, indicated by a screenshot on CM's iPhone on 6/24/09 at 5:33 pm, and the subject was Omar Arnold - Progress Notes. SM states that the body of the email states "here are his progress notes, please let me know if you can't open it" with attachments. SM states that the attachment is written notes reflecting various dates, 11/19/08, insomnia, anxiety, 12/08, 3/07, with notes attached. SM states that there is a medical record reflected for Omar Arnold, and various handwritten notes, including primary MD Conrad Murray, indicating c/o meaning complained of. SM states that other handwritten medical notes and dates are reflected, including 1/1/07, and the last reflecting handwritten notes but no date mentioned.

    SM states the next email from Connie Ng to Conrad Murray was sent on 6/24/09 at 5:34 pm - Omar Arnold - 2D - Echo. SM states the report date states 1/17/07, another stating 3/26/07 entitled Echocardiograph dated 1/17/07. SM states that the next email is headed MRI Paul Forance, stating that Ng has Forance's MRI results. SM states the next email is regarding another MRI, dated 11/13/07 SM states that the next email is from Connie Ng to Murray, header states Omar Arnold Medication Log, on 6/24/09 at 5:38 pm.

    SM states the Murray's iPhone received an email on 6/25/09 at 5:54 am. SM states that the email that the email had been read. SM states that the email was from Bob Taylor, begins with Hi Conrad, and that the email has a London phone number and a London street address on it.

    SM states that the body of the email is about issues of well being, press reports of the Artist, and issues of full disclosure of an insurance policy for Michael Jackson.

    SM states that the iPhone reflects that Murray responded to Bob Taylor in the UK on 6/25/09 at 11:17 am, and the body states "Dear Bob, I am in receipt of your email. I spoke with Mr. Jackson and requested release of his medical records in order for you to procure a cancellation policy for his show, however the request was denied. I therefore request that AEG consult with kindly with Mr. Jackson for its relevance because he is under the impression that he is already secured in the US. As far as the statements published by the press, let me say they're all fallacious to the best of my knowledge. Sincerely, Conrad Murray"

    SM states that there was a voicemail on the iPhone on 6/20/09 from Frank Dileo. Dileo voicemail is played, and states, "Dr. Murray this is Frank Dileo, Michael's manager, I'm the short guy with no hair. I'm sure you know Michael had an episode last night, he's sick. ...I think you need to get a blood test on him, we gotta see what he's doing."

    SM states that there is an app on the iPhone called iTalk, and a recorded at 9:05 am on 5/10/09. Prosecutor Walgren then plays Michael Jackson with extremely slurred speech, for a little over 4 minutes.

    Transcript and Audio of the recording

    [/B]MJ: Elvis didn't do it. Beatles didn't do it. We have to be phenomenal. When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, "I've never seen nothing like this in my life. Go. Go. I've never seen nothing like this. Go. It's amazing. He's the greatest entertainer in the world" I'm taking that money, a million children, children's hospital, the biggest in the world, Michel Jackson's Children's Hospital. Gonna have a movie theatre, game room. Children are depressed. The -- in the hospitals, no game room, no movie theatre. They're sick because they're depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God want me to do it. I'm gonna do it , Conrad.
    CM: I know you would
    MJ: Don't have enough hope, no more hope. That's the next generation that's gonna save our planet, starting with -- we'll talk about it. United States, Europe. Prague, my babies. They walk around with no mother. They drop them off, they leave -- a psychological degradation of that . They reach out to me -- please take me with you.
    CM: Mmnh.mmmnh
    MJ : I want to do that for them.
    CM: Mmnh mmmnh
    MJ: I'm gonna do that for them. That will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn't have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. Heal The World, We Are The World, Will You Be There, The Lost Children. These are the songs I've written because I hurt. You know I hurt.
    CM are you okay
    MJ I'm asleep

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    SM states that the recording of Michael Jackson was on May 10, 2009 which is a Sunday. SM states that the email regarding the insurance email was CC'd to several other people, including a John, Paul and a Tim. SM states that a thread of emails, a series of linked communications appeared on Murray's iPhone. SM states that he recognizes Email from Justin Burns to Ian France on 6/22/09, discussing Michael's physical well being, as well as a return email on 6/24/09 discussing insurance health requirements. SM states that there is an email from Paul Gongaware on 6/24/09, it was also sent to Murray, Randy Phillips, etc. discussing a meeting at MJ's house. SM states that an email sent from Bob Taylor to Paul Gongaware, stating that there are concerns with the Artist's (MJ's) insurance. SM states that there is an email from Bob Taylor on 6/25 on 1:54 pm.

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    SM states that in order to use iTalk, you need to open it manually. SM states that regarding that within the multiple emails, there is concern about obtaining a five year medical history.

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    Default Re: Murray Trial _ All daily trial Summaries - No discussion October 4th / Day 6 Morning Testimony

    Murray Trial Day 7 October 5 2011

    Elissa Fleak Testimony

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    Fleak states she has worked for the LA County Coroner for 8 years. Fleak states she went to UCLA to examine MJ and the circumstances of his death at 5:20 pm on June 25, 2009. Fleak states she examined MJ and documented his physical condition in a private room at UCLA.

    Fleak states that she took the picture of MJ on the gurney, deceased. Fleak states that there were other pictures taken of MJ, but this was the first picture she took (the one that was shown on the first day of testimony). Fleak states that initially there were no obvious causes of death.

    Fleak states she took four bottles of blood from MJ and turned them into the coroner's lab for further toxicology testing. Fleak states that at 7:10 pm on 6/25, she went to MJ's Carolwood home. Fleak states that in the bedroom where MJ died, she located a 20 ml bottle of propofol on the floor next to the left side of the bed. Fleak states that she found the propofol bottles under a glass/metal table to the left of the nightstand, which is directly left of the bed.

    Fleak is asked to identify items she found in the bedroom:
    - A propofol bottle with few drops of fluid, Fleaks affirms it is the same bottle.
    - An empty bottle of flumanezil nearly emptyfound near propofol bottle, Fleak affirms
    - Prescription bottles: Diazepam, Lorazepam and Flomax, Fleak affirms
    -Diazepam- prescribed to MJ, Murray prescribed to MJ on 6/20, 10 mg tablet
    -Flomax - prescribed to MJ, Murray prescribed to MJ on 6/23
    -Lorazepam - Murray prescribed on 4/28/09, 2 mg Fleak affirms all prescriptions

    Fleak states additional prescriptions were found on the lower shelf of the table. Fleak states she found Trazadone, Flomazepam, and another drug.
    Tizanadine - to Omar Arnold by Arnold Klein, 6/7/09
    Flomazepam -to Mick Jackson, 1 mg tablet, Dr. Alan Metzger, 4/18/09
    Trazadone -to Mick Jackson, 50 mg tablet, Dr. Alan Metzger 4/18/09
    Temazapam -to MJ by Murray, filled 12/22/08
    Hydroquinone - Applied Pharmacy name on it
    Benoquin - Applied Pharmacy name on it
    Lidocaine 4% - Applied Pharmacy, Conrad Murray's name on it

    Fleak affirms that all of the above medications were found on the nightstand in the bedroom where MJ died. Fleak states that an ambu bag was found on the floor and an oxygen tanks, one on a rolling dolly, were all found in the room. Fleak states that alcohol prep pads, IV catheters, latex gloves, a 10 cc syringe with no needle attached to it, were also found on a nightstand in the room.

    Fleak states that there was an IV catheter underneath the ambu-bag, to the left. Fleak states that she recovered a bottle of Bayer aspirin and other medical items, such as needles and supplies. Fleak states that there was a wooden chair with a jug of urine sitting on it with medical pads sitting next to it. Fleak states that all of the items were recovered on 6/25, except for the IV tubing and bag. Fleak states that she left Carolwood at 8:20 pm on 6/25, and returned on 6/29/09, to search for further medical evidence.

    Fleak identifies that there is a large closet which adjoins the bedroom that MJ died in. Fleak states that she recovered items from the top of the closet area, including various bags, gloves and items. Fleak states a small black bag, a blue Costco bag, light/blue bag, a box of gloves and tubes of various lotion were recovered. Fleak states that the black bag had contents of a blood pressure cuff inside of a manufacturer Starline box. Fleak states that 3 bottles of lidocaine were found, 2 were essentially empty, 1 was half full and found inside the same black bag as the pressure cuff. Fleak states that the Costco bag contained a plastic grocery bag, a pulse oximeter, various items and a cut open saline bag with a 100 ml propofol inside the saline bag, Fleak states that she removed the propofol bottle from the saline bag to photograph them. Fleak states that the empty propofol bottle found within the saline bag was a 20 ml bottle.

    Fleak states a 10 vial of bottle of Lorazepam was found inside the Costco bag. Fleak states that 2 individual bottles, each 10 ml in size, of Midazolam were found inside the Costco bag. Fleak states that a small bloody cotton gauze pad was in the Costco bag. Fleak states that a pulse oximeter was inside the Costco bag as well as a plastic bag with various medical items in it. Fleak states that inside the plastic bag, an IV administration was found, a urinary bag was found, a wide band bag was found, Tegaderm transparent dressing was found, IV catheter empty packaging was found, various alcohol prep pads were found, Tegaderm dressing backings were found, 10 ml disposable syringe with needle packaging was found, 2 individual straps were found, a dark blue and light blue vinyl top were found, a needle or IV catheter top were found, as well as miscellaneous plastic debris were found inside the Costco bag.

    Fleak states that the light blue baby essentials bag contained 2 100 ml propofol bottles which were full, 7 20 ml propofol bottles, 3 were opened with various levels of liquid in them, 3 lidocaine bottle unopened, 2 unopened, 3 10 ml vials Midazolam, 2 unopened, 4 bottles of Flumanezil 5 ml in size, 2 bottles of Lorazepam, 1 unopened, 1 half full, 1 bottle from Applied Pharmacy combination of ephedrine, aspirin and caffeine, Bausch and Lomb eye drops, Medex bag containing IV tubing and syringes, a blue tourniquet, Murray's business cards were all found inside the Costco bag.

    Fleak states that on 6/29 she recovered the IV bag and tubing from the Carolwood home. Fleak states that 18 tubes of Benoquin cream were recovered from the cabinet next to the bags already mentioned. Fleak states that she recovered a saline bag on 6/29 that she had observed on 6/25. Fleak states that she recovered IV tubing with a spike at one end, with a roller clamp on 6/29, as well as a Y connector with attached tubing, s capped syringe inside a sharpie container.

    (during this time Walgren places all the items on the table for the jury to see)

    Fleak states that on July 1, 2009, she sent a subpoena seeking all relevant medical records of MJ to Ed Chernoff, Murray's attorney. Walgren wants to ask questions about the records Fleak received from Murray via Chernoff. Objection. Sidebar.

    Court is adjourned for the day

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