Verdict Reached: AEG NOT Liable - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[Electric_Mayweather]

In the end, this case came out of a terrible situation, and I'm not going to even try to guess the intentions of various Jackson members, pertaining to the case. I completely agree thatfacts won over emotion today, while I find some of the AEG members, especially Randy to be disgusting in their lack of concern for Michael,the fact is that they did not know what was going on behind those locked doors. It's extremely unlikely that AEG would even go near Michael had they known what was going on. Their guilty of being douchebags, but not of negligence.

 

[Allusio]

I’m fine with the verdict and hope there’ll be no appeal.

I just feel that this trial was an awful mistake and should have never happened.

I know I will survive all the comments from the jurors and the new wave of hate and injustice.
I will try to accept the fact that too much Michael’s privet information is out for all to see.

I know we can take it !!!

But how sad that it all was done by Michael’s own family and now PPB have so much more to fight against. It is tragic. I can only wonder how much stress the family caused Michael when he was here.

 

[Soundmind]

So jermaine do you still believe Paris needs more discipline ? I bet all the cousins who unfollowed her on twitter will add her very soon

 

[LastTear]

About Meserau: He's making a few mistakes.
From 3:30 onwards he says that AEG Live hired Murray. OK. But then he says he thought AEG Live hired him for treatment of MJ's sleep disorder. And that's something the plaintiffs failed to prove. Only MJ could have hired him for that. And the jury got it right: If AEG Live hired him, it could only have been for general medical care and we know how to answer question 2 in that regard (as "unfit" or "incompetent" has nothing to do with MJ having died or Murray being an unethical doctor breaking his Hippocratic oath).
He also says that Murray was an employee HOWEVER the judge made it clear that Murray could only be an individual contractor. Mesereau must have missed that info (and Panish hoping that jury wouldn't understand it because that would have become of importance for answering question 3).

I'm not good at understanding legalities all the time but I understood that a person who hired an independent contractor cannot be held responsible for the individuals negligence - unless they overstep the boundaries of an I. C. contract, I guess Panish tried to show that AEG did just that with questions and meetings. No big deal, just something that's bugging me.

 

[LastTear]

So jermaine do you still believe Paris needs more discipline ? I bet all the cousins who unfollowed her on twitter will add her very soon

Random post - or have I missed something?

Said the man with the son who brought a stun gun. We all know Jermaines form of discipline, and no, that is not what Paris needs. I hope Paris wont be back on twitter.

 

[WhoIsIt89]

What pisses me off, is this freaking guy Murray, as if this vindicates him. He's getting all this attention now, when even the jurors acknowledge he screwed up. He's the sole reason Michael is gone, at the end of the day, had he been properly monitoring Michael, all of these past 4 and a half years would have a different result.

Now he's making his media rounds pleading that he didnt get to tell his story, as if he wasn't the one who chose not to testify on his own behalf. Talking about the world didn't get to hear all the facts. Child please, we got the facts, which conclude that you were more concerned with keeping up with your girlfriends than you were with the well being of a man you call your friend.

This will only get worse in the upcoming months when he's free, and able to spew his falsehoods freely. I can't be sick enough of this man.

 

[Bubs]

^^I think soundmind meant that as there isn't going to be a big payday for the family so they'll be back kissing Paris' ass. The cousins that unfollowed Paris after kidnapping episode after airing family business to the world, the'll be back following and loving Paris as she'll the one with money. Jermaine is going to have to backtrack his words and start doing some serious asskissing. Pardon my language.

 

[Thrill]

there is no point to competence if it is not accompanied by ethics and morality

 

[LastTear]

^^I think soundmind meant that as there isn't going to be a big payday for the family so they'll be back kissing Paris' ass. The cousins that unfollowed Paris after kidnapping episode after airing family business to the world, the'll be back following and loving Paris as she'll the one with money. Jermaine is going to have to backtrack his words and start doing some serious asskissing. Pardon my language.

Oh I see, yes they probably will.

 

[Thrill]

I'm not good at understanding legalities all the time but I understood that a person who hired an independent contractor cannot be held responsible for the individuals negligence - unless they overstep the boundaries of an I. C. contract, I guess Panish tried to show that AEG did just that with questions and meetings. No big deal, just something that's bugging me.

its clear aeg pressured murray. they made him in charge of mjs rehearsals to make sure mj showed up. Murray knew aeg was worried of MJ health and ge knew his $150,000/month was at stake.

aegs business methods put an unbearable strain on michael

 

[LastTear]

its clear aeg pressured murray. they made him in charge of mjs rehearsals to make sure mj showed up. Murray knew aeg was worried of MJ health and ge knew his $150,000/month was at stake.

aegs business methods put an unbearable strain on michael

I'm afraid I don't see it that clearly. I don't think its an unreasonable request and in all honesty if Michael couldn't get to rehearsals there wasn't much hope for the tour. If Murray knew AEG were concerned about Michael's health one would think he would take greater care of his patient but instead he relied on his arrogance.

 

[Korgnex]

for instance an accountant is fit and capable to do his job as an accountant but if he chooses to commit fraud, or do something illegal that doesn't mean he wasn't fit or capable to do hi job right.. just that he chose not to ..

Exactly!
Just like Randy Jackson on the one hand being fit and competent of acting as the Board of Directors of Modern Records, yet on the other hand committing mismanagement of funds and being convicted of bankcruptcy fraud.

 

[GreenEyes]

Now, Conrad Murray thinks he's been vindicated by this trial. The guy is delusional!uke: Another crazy voicemail.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/10/03/conra...michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial-verdict/

 

[MJBT]

Conrad Murray will never be vindicated for robbing the world of the greatest man to ever walk on stage

 

[Treasure]

Now, Conrad Murray thinks he's been vindicated by this trial. The guy is delusional!uke: Another crazy voicemail.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/10/03/conra...michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial-verdict/

IDIOT!! hasn't learn much since

 

[sfosteredi]

Exactly! I thought they told the judge early on in the trial that they needed to be in the courtroom with Mother because she was so old and fragile yet today they let her face the bad news alone.

Yes, they stayed away because:
A. They were sure it would be GOOD news
B. They didn't want to look like they were there to cash in a lottery ticket with her

 

[Soundmind]

I can't even imagine how the Jacksons , all of them including Katherine, would have treated the kids if Katherine was awarded the billions she was asking for . There is one good thing out of this case , the kids got to know the true colours of the Jacksons .

 

[Bubs]

I'm curious how attorneys and KJ knew that there is going to be verdict?
ABC7 tweeted this at 10:08
Day 4 of deliberations. Jury began work at 9:37 am PT. Several attorneys here today: Kevin Boyle, Brian Panish, Marvin Putnam, Kathryn Cahan

and at 1:54 ABC7 tweeted that verdict is in? When verdict came in CM vs. People, KJ was at home but she was called in. This time she was already there like her side knew the verdict was coming today?

 

[qbee]

Now, Conrad Murray thinks he's been vindicated by this trial. The guy is delusional!uke: Another crazy voicemail.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/10/03/conra...michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial-verdict/

Which reminds me we need to start a discussion thread about his release in Trials and Tribulations forum because we won't be continuing that discussion in here - Its a different Topic .. and this is perfect to start it out with

EX Dr. Murray will be released in a few weeks [Discussion Thread] His latest delusion
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...w-weeks-Discussion-Thread-His-latest-delusion

 

[Bubs]

I can't even imagine how the Jacksons , all of them including Katherine, would have treated the kids if Katherine was awarded the billions she was asking for . There is one good thing out of this case , the kids got to know the true colours of the Jacksons .

I wonder when kids grow up, if they still agree (I doubt they never agree to this) that not taking restitution from CM was right thing to do, and feel they were robbed the right to punish CM for what he did to their father?

EX Dr. Murray will be released in a few weeks [Discussion Thread] His latest delusion
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...w-weeks-Discussion-Thread-His-latest-delusion

Appropriate title.

 

[Billie Jean 78]

I can't even imagine how the Jacksons , all of them including Katherine, would have treated the kids if Katherine was awarded the billions she was asking for . There is one good thing out of this case , the kids got to know the true colours of the Jacksons .

You really think they didn't know before???

I'd say the grany kidnapping incident was quite revealing...

 

[gerryevans]

Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

I second this. And you know what? Because of emotions people have been targeting Ivy for some time now, just yesterday her haters wrote an article that says Ivy would be an "Estate-sponsored PR plant secretly manipulating fans"...

As I'm usually called a "Sony spy", I can understand people's obsession with one nickname.

I love when we get some humor in all this and the bold is hilarious. If Michael Jackson fans could be manipulated, ESPECIALLY by PR, there would be no Michael Jackson fans.

Think I'll watch TII this weekend. I miss my man.

 

[TheChosenOne]

I wonder how many of the jurors had made up their minds before the trial that Michael was an addict and therefore was partially responsible for his own death?

The one juror who talked about Michael's addiction and his supposed willingness to doctor-shop does not seemed to interpreted the evidence the way some of us did on the board. I was hoping that being privy to some of Michael's personal details, there would have been more compassion, empathy and understanding.

For this one juror, that does not appear to be the case.

But this too will blow over and Michael's legacy will continue to thrive.

 

[Lynn88]

^^I think soundmind meant that as there isn't going to be a big payday for the family so they'll be back kissing Paris' ass. The cousins that unfollowed Paris after kidnapping episode after airing family business to the world, the'll be back following and loving Paris as she'll the one with money. Jermaine is going to have to backtrack his words and start doing some serious asskissing. Pardon my language.

The cousins were already back to being friends with Paris a long time ago. I would say around October or November of last year, everything was back to "normal" in the Jackson house.

 

[Bubs]

^^^ Except for Paris everything wasn't back to normal.
It went from bad to worse for her.

Btw, those cousins unfollowed Paris because she aired family business out to the world.
Those cousins should go to their granny and tell her the same thing, or is it ok to air Michael's private issues to the world, but not when family is portrayed like common kidnappers?

 

[qbee]

Dear Ivy
Thank you so much for all you have done for the Kat vs AEG Trial. I know you worked very hard to bring us all the information for over 5 months. Updating the news, doing the summaries and explaining legal matters etc etc. I'm very sad you have been attacked and vilified by certain factions of the fan base outside of MJJC as you were doing this for us. But you never gave up or quit on us. Please know how much you are loved and appreciated for all you do. :heart:

 

[Bubs]

^^I second that.

 

[mjchris]

this is another juror

Juror Calvin Smith said he didn’t believe AEG could have done anything about Jackson’s problems.

“If AEG had known what was going on behind closed doors, it would probably have made a difference, but they didn’t," Smith said.

"Michael Jackson was pretty used to getting his own way, he was a big star. He had all these doctors who wanted to be his doctors. And he could pretty much get what he wanted. If anybody said no, well they were out of the mix, and he’d find somebody else. … How could AEG have done anything about it when they were kept in the dark?”

I guess we should be thankful that this jury did not reach to assigning percentages for responsibility. It looks like they might have put it on Michael.

there is no evidence AEG didnt know what murray have done.
i'm sure they have known. AEG is lying in depo, AEG is lying in court. jury says, ok we believe. AEG not liable. lol

to the verdict. i have no words.
that means. when i am hiring an doctor for my mother, and he kills my mother, i am not liable?
and so everyone that wants to kill someone, hiring an doctor. the doctor kills the guy. and everything is ok.
cool justice.

 

[mjchris]

i hope i dont get this wrong. but with that second question the jury answered that murray was fit for what he was hired? for what is written in the contract. correct?
but they didnt answered what was the most important. was he fit for what he really did to michael? and that is the question. and THAT is now good for all the tabloids. now they can create, and they allready started, that bullshit of stories that murray is such a great doctor. when he is a killer.

that make me so angry. this second question is manipulative.
the media allready writing everywhere that aeg is no lialbe. but they are. first question. yes they hired him. and so they are liable. that was the main question. and now cause they say murray was fit for what was written in the contract, they are not liable anymore? in every contract that is written the doctor is to be found fit. EVERYTIME! so everytime this question will be answered with NO. everytime. so no chance for a guilty. NO jury in the world would answer the second question with YES. thats absoutely not possible!
what the hell is that SHIT!

i would do an appeal. they big damage is allready done. so i would try it.

bhhaa! i'm going to do some sports now. i have a lot adrenaline now in my body.

 

[qbee]

there is no evidence AEG didnt know what murray have done.
i'm sure they have known. AEG is lying in depo, AEG is lying in court. jury says, ok we believe. AEG not liable. lol

to the verdict. i have no words.
that means. when i am hiring an doctor for my mother, and he kills my mother, i am not liable?
cool justice. uke:

Yes there was evidence to show they didn't know .. but There was no evidence to show they did know about Murray being negligent or propofol.

The questions were (1)did AEG hire Murray (2) Was Murray capable/competent of doing the job he was hired for (3) Did AEg know Murray was negligent in his treatment. - They never got to question 3 .. which I also believe they would have answered NO. There was NO evidence to show they knew what was going on behind closed doors in MJs Bedroom. A Jury cant base their verdict on a hunch AEG may have been lying. They have to go by evidence given in the trial.

Of course you would not be liable if a Dr you hired killed your mom. That would not be your fault.
That would be the fault of the negligent DR. ..

Chris I understand your being upset - but This is nothing against MJ that AEG wasn't found liable for what Dr Murray did to him... Michael was not at fault for Murray killing him. Go do some sports maybe that will help you to calm down :better: