FullLipsDotNose
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I guess part of the reason why he was so much disrespected was vitiligo. In general, people with any (skin) diseases have it harder than healthy people, especially if part of job is to show up your face.
I did not say we were solely responsible
But we were the foundation, there is no doubt about that
Just as one can say that Michael was hurt with what was being said, that can be reciprocated because the community was feeling hurt too
And the problem aint really about who was saying what but the institution of racism that fosters race superiority that restricts people, communities, and cultures from functioning properly
A system of reinforcement that led a Lil Kim to totally give into it and contort her entire appearance
If racism was eradicated, I mean really done away with, we would never be talking about backlash, we wouldn't be calling people haters, we wouldnt be accusing people of self hate
Racism is a disease that acts on many platforms and acts as the most destructive form of activity on earth
People right now in the Caribbean, in Asia, in South America, and in Africa are altering their natural complexion as we speak to meet the beauty that has been indoctrinated in society that promotes race superiority....it is destroying people and causing a world of dissension and hostility in the proces, robbing people of their self worth and dignity
Just as one can say that Michael was hurt with what was being said, that can be reciprocated because the community was feeling hurt too
But the average person doesn't follow famous people (at least the pre-internet generations didn't) like that and might not know about it. But if they see Mike in photos and TV appearences with people like Jane Fonda, Tatum O'Neal, Brooke Shield.s, Liz Taylor, Lisa Marie Presley, Sophia Loren, Madonna, etc. He also did songs with Paul McCartney, Eddie Van Halen, & Mick Jagger. So it's like to them Mike hangs around white folks, which is like I mentioned about black celebs marrying white people. I don't know if you've been around NOI and "ankh brothas", but hanging out with "The Man" is usually a no no with them. They're like the frat guy in the Fresh Prince clip. Even with the accusations, people said it was white boys, not black ones. Prince was accused of dating light skinned women. Black performers are said to use light skinned models in their music videos. Light skin/dark skin is another issue with black people. There was also a story in the media years ago that Mike held his nose when he went to Africa, which implied that he thought the people didn't smell good.He donated money to multiple black charities, he always credited the black artist that influenced him, he always said he was a proud black man, he constantly spoke of his love for Africa, he let underprivileged black children into his home to show them happiness. That's why the way some of the black community turned their backs on Michael makes NO sense to me.
But the average person doesn't follow famous people (at least the pre-internet generations didn't) like that and might not know about it. But if they see Mike in photos and TV appearences with people like Jane Fonda, Tatum O'Neal, Brooke Shield.s, Liz Taylor, Lisa Marie Presley, Sophia Loren, Madonna, etc. He also did songs with Paul McCartney, Eddie Van Halen, & Mick Jagger. So it's like to them Mike hangs around white folks, which is like I mentioned about black celebs marrying white people. I don't know if you've been around NOI and "ankh brothas", but hanging out with "The Man" is usually a no no with them. They're like the frat guy in the Fresh Prince clip. Even with the accusations, people said it was white boys, not black ones. Prince was accused of dating light skinned women. Black performers are said to use light skinned models in their music videos. Light skin/dark skin is another issue with black people. There was also a story in the media years ago that Mike held his nose when he went to Africa, which implied that he thought the people didn't smell good.
Bill Cosby donated to black colleges and it was reported during the 1980s, but many black people said the Cosby Show was unrealistic and there were no black people who really lived like that. I guess they were expecting another Good Times. That black people only lived in the inner city or ghetto and had a hard life.
But the average person doesn't follow famous people (at least the pre-internet generations didn't) like that and might not know about it. But if they see Mike in photos and TV appearences with people like Jane Fonda, Tatum O'Neal, Brooke Shield.s, Liz Taylor, Lisa Marie Presley, Sophia Loren, Madonna, etc. He also did songs with Paul McCartney, Eddie Van Halen, & Mick Jagger. So it's like to them Mike hangs around white folks, which is like I mentioned about black celebs marrying white people. I don't know if you've been around NOI and "ankh brothas", but hanging out with "The Man" is usually a no no with them. They're like the frat guy in the Fresh Prince clip. Even with the accusations, people said it was white boys, not black ones. Prince was accused of dating light skinned women. Black performers are said to use light skinned models in their music videos. Light skin/dark skin is another issue with black people. There was also a story in the media years ago that Mike held his nose when he went to Africa, which implied that he thought the people didn't smell good.
Bill Cosby donated to black colleges and it was reported during the 1980s, but many black people said the Cosby Show was unrealistic and there were no black people who really lived like that. I guess they were expecting another Good Times. That black people only lived in the inner city or ghetto and had a hard life.
The lack of respect Michael gets though is much more driven from white media over black people not ok with his skin... Allow Michael to be seen ABOVE Elvis or the Beetles?? They want him "in his place"...
He's the biggest artist that ever lived.. possibly the most recognizable human in history! anyone thinking otherwise can get over it..
^Dark-skinned? Diana Ross? You got to be kidding me:rollin:
Maybe you don't follow The Beatles, but that's not exactly true. The early Bee Gees were called Beatles clones. Duran Duran and New Kids On The Block were both called "The Fab 5". This is a play on The Beatles being called "Fab 4". The 1990s band Oasis was called new Beatles. There was even a group in the 1970s called Klaatu who were rumored to be the Beatles reunited.Notice how there's never a new or next Elvis or Beatles, but there's always a new or next Michael Jackson/King of Pop.
Maybe you don't follow The Beatles, but that's not exactly true. The early Bee Gees were called Beatles clones. Duran Duran and New Kids On The Block were both called "The Fab 5". This is a play on The Beatles being called "Fab 4". The 1990s band Oasis was called new Beatles. There was even a group in the 1970s called Klaatu who were rumored to be the Beatles reunited.
That does not really matter. The media/mainstream in the US is white, so they're going to show Mike with white celebs like Liz Taylor more than people of other races. Really they're writing about Liz or Brooke more than Mike. If Mike was dating Patrice Rushen or Lola Falana rather than Brooke Shield.s, the mainstream magazines, TV shows, and newspapers are not going to report that. It might be in Jet magazine or Right On! which most white people do not buy or read and many stores did not carry them. So of course, since the mainstream media is mostly what is seen, people will figure that Mike does not hang around many non-white people. If Mike is in a photo with Teddy Pendergrass, Teddy is not really mainstream known and is not going to be talked about on TV or People magazine. Whenever a black performer dies like Billy Preston, they'll say he worked with The Rolling Stones, Eric Clapton, and The Beatles, not Sam Cooke and Aretha Franklin. When B.B. King died last year there was a lot of mention that he did a song with U2, but B.B.'s career started in the late 1940s, way before any of the U2 members were born.Everything that you said is true and it saddens me that it is.
Nonetheless, no matter how it appeared, Michael didn't purposely date/ be friends with just white people. Michael loved and hung around people of all races.
That does not really matter. The media/mainstream in the US is white, so they're going to show Mike with white celebs like Liz Taylor more than people of other races. Really they're writing about Liz or Brooke more than Mike. If Mike was dating Patrice Rushen or Lola Falana rather than Brooke Shield.s, the mainstream magazines, TV shows, and newspapers are not going to report that. It might be in Jet magazine or Right On! which most white people do not buy or read and many stores did not carry them. So of course, since the mainstream media is mostly what is seen, people will figure that Mike does not hang around many non-white people. If Mike is in a photo with Teddy Pendergrass, Teddy is not really mainstream known and is not going to be talked about on TV or People magazine. Whenever a black performer dies like Billy Preston, they'll say he worked with The Rolling Stones, Eric Clapton, and The Beatles, not Sam Cooke and Aretha Franklin. When B.B. King died last year there was a lot of mention that he did a song with U2, but B.B.'s career started in the late 1940s, way before any of the U2 members were born.
Maybe you don't follow The Beatles, but that's not exactly true. The early Bee Gees were called Beatles clones. Duran Duran and New Kids On The Block were both called "The Fab 5". This is a play on The Beatles being called "Fab 4". The 1990s band Oasis was called new Beatles. There was even a group in the 1970s called Klaatu who were rumored to be the Beatles reunited.
Why would people research someone they're not interested in? Do you research Ozzy Osbourne or David Bowie? Most people do not follow music acts like that. They might hear a report on TV and that's as far as it goes. I know people who don't know anything about music performers but can talk about a particular football or basketball game from 30 years ago. :rofl: There's also the case that not everybody has the internet or a computer.True.
I just find it crazy that with the advent of the internet that more people haven't done any research to educate themselves about Michael, and the things that the mainstream media doesn't say about him.
For someone as widely known as Michael yes I would research him even if I wasn't a fan.Why would people research someone they're not interested in? Do you research Ozzy Osbourne or David Bowie? Most people do not follow music acts like that. They might hear a report on TV and that's as far as it goes. I know people who don't know anything about music performers but can talk about a particular football or basketball game from 30 years ago. :rofl: There's also the case that not everybody has the internet or a computer.
People hated Jesus Christ and hung him on a cross. What makes Mike exempt? There's not a single person that has ever existed that everyone likes.NO hatred of Michael is justified.
People hated Jesus Christ and hung him on a cross. What makes Mike exempt? There's not a single person that has ever existed that everyone likes.
DuranDuran;4148938 said:But the average person doesn't follow famous people (at least the pre-internet generations didn't) like that and might not know about it. But if they see Mike in photos and TV appearences with people like Jane Fonda, Tatum O'Neal, Brooke Shield.s, Liz Taylor, Lisa Marie Presley, Sophia Loren, Madonna, etc. He also did songs with Paul McCartney, Eddie Van Halen, & Mick Jagger. So it's like to them Mike hangs around white folks, which is like I mentioned about black celebs marrying white people. I don't know if you've been around NOI and "ankh brothas", but hanging out with "The Man" is usually a no no with them. They're like the frat guy in the Fresh Prince clip. Even with the accusations, people said it was white boys, not black ones. Prince was accused of dating light skinned women. Black performers are said to use light skinned models in their music videos. Light skin/dark skin is another issue with black people. There was also a story in the media years ago that Mike held his nose when he went to Africa, which implied that he thought the people didn't smell good.
Bill Cosby donated to black colleges and it was reported during the 1980s, but many black people said the Cosby Show was unrealistic and there were no black people who really lived like that. I guess they were expecting another Good Times. That black people only lived in the inner city or ghetto and had a hard life.
Pink Diamond Princess;4148815 said:IKR.
It's sad really.
Accusations of black celebrities, stars, etc being "sellouts", and "self haters" has been around for a LONG time.
It honestly just seems like no other celeb has felt the brunt of such accusations as badly and on as large a scale as Michael did and still is.
That doesn't mean that the magazine itself is racist. It's not just Rolling Stone. How many other mainstream magazines put non-white people on the cover often? That's not just in 1979 but today as well. When I see Vogue, Field & Stream, People, or Better Housekeeping, white people are on the cover more often than other races/ethnicities. That's even true for tabloids like National Inquirer. You might see black people on the cover regularly on Sports Illustrated, because the most popular sports in the US like basketball & football have a lot of black players. But for the swimsuit issues, white women are more common. Magazines are a business designed to make money, so of course they're going to put someone who is likely to sell more on the cover to grab the person's attention. The picture is the first thing a person sees, not the headline or even the name of the magazine.
DuranDuran;4148814 said:The recent Lil' Kim pics and people putting her down online, is probably not going to help Mike's case with some. There's also the radio host Charlamagne Tha God and baseball player Sammy Sosa, who've been accused of bleaching and people talking about Beyoncé's blond hair. These others might be considered more evidence to people who say Mike bleached his skin. But some blacks said Mike sold out before the vitiligo because he changed his music to reach the white audience. Others like Lionel Richie, Prince, Kool & The Gang, and Tina Turner have also been accused of selling out and abandoning the black audience that supported them in the beginning. They were upset that Lionel quit doing funk with the Commodores to make adult contemporary. Johnny Mathis, Sammy Davis Jr, and Jimi Hendrix have been said to make white music. Jimi got little if any airplay on R&B stations and his audience was more white that black. Rock is considered to be white music even though black performers invented it. Whitney Houston was booed at the Soul Train Awards one year and was accused of marrying Bobby Brown to get street cred. They also put down black celebs who date or marry white people. So that didn't begin or end with Mike. It goes all the way back to Louis Armstrong, the TV show Amos & Andy, and the actor Stepin Fetchit. You could even say that's the difference in the people who followed Malcolm X or Marcus Garvey and Martin Luther King.
That's an issue that many ignorant black people have. As though branching out to other sounds and styles means you don't want to be black anymore and no longer care about you're community. It's a sad mindset to have.
why is it that black people in this equation are always called ignorant
why don't people outside of that community take one minute of their time to consider, and really asked themselves why the black community as a whole reacted the way they did when it comes to this particular situation......if a community responded in the 80s in similar fashion than they did in the 30s, then that should show all of us that none of that can be a coincidence
why is the black community called out all the time when many of the musical styles/genres that america and eventually the world came to enjoy throughout the 20th century to the present day, was influenced by the very community that people call ignorant all the time
maybe for once people need to stop attacking another people and start looking at the system itself that is making the people react the way they do
and maybe if we start doing that, that would be the first step to finally seeing and acknowledging there has been a very serious problem that has continued to excascerbate time and time again for the greater part of a century, and if we did that, then we can start finding the right solutions to correct this issue once and for all........it's not black people, it's the system
the day Whitney Houston's debut album was released in 1985, she was already being told by advisors she looked to ethnic and instructed her to refrain from conducting any interviews with black oriented press or radio, even though it was black people who started buying her records before anyone else, so that awful advice was already setting her up for major backlash when black people as a whole picked up on what was taking place and how it was being alienated while simultaneously was responsible for making it possible for her to sell the enormous amount of records she did started out, most people don't know Whitney was told this.......that's is what led to the backlash at the 1989 Soul Train Awards....
if she had not been encouraged to do that starting out, the backlash would have never happened.....
it's not the people, it's the system that needs to be addressed
First of all, I am black.
Second, it's a fact that many black people unfortunately feel that if a black artist dabbles in rock, country, or pop that they are trying to distance themselves from the community. That's why they were going in on Mike at the beginning of Thriller era, Whitney, Prince and others. That their sound was too popish and not pure R&B.
And yes, anyone who believes that you have to do pure R&B to be proud of your blackness is ignorant. I didn't disparage the entire community, so I don't know what you're talking about. It's also just as ignorant to judge someone for their actions when you know how the system does black folks.