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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Some stories are just going to show it CANT be real.. they can say all the Jacksons are the same person if they want.. bring back home Michael fathered one of the two twins.

Show today's generation the circus that surrounded michael.. its bull!
 
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Ok so it's now clear HBO is airing it. It's unbelievable but it is what it is. We can't stop it and neither can we stop Dutch Network VPRO airing. They used to be pretty decent and now we can place them next to any tabloid you can find really.

We as fans are used to reading walls of text, in other words research. But non fans aren't at all. The attention span of a lot of folks isn't exactly great. As fantastic and strong the letter is by the estate, people are not going to read 10 pages. We need to make a summary of the key points from that.

People need to be made aware what kind of "documentary" and people they are dealing with BEFORE this shit airs. I kinda want to send the whole pdf to VPRO but on the other hand I think a summary would be better. They are probably not gonna care anyway, but we need to try. We need a video or a short enough summary and title it "You should watch/read this before you watch LN".

I have a Twitter account but barely use it and I have very few followers. I wish there was a way to tweet it to the "whole world" but just like Facebook that's not possible. But you never know, we may reach people that WILL actually check it out and have that knowledge before seeing the "documentary" and that's wholly different than being totally in the dark about the two men and watching it for the first time.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Ok so it's now clear HBO is airing it. It's unbelievable but it is what it is. We can't stop it and neither can we stop Dutch Network VPRO airing. They used to be pretty decent and now we can place them next to any tabloid you can find really.

We as fans are used to reading walls of text, in other words research. But non fans aren't at all. The attention span of a lot of folks isn't exactly great. As fantastic and strong the letter is by the estate, people are not going to read 10 pages. We need to make a summary of the key points from that.

People need to be made aware what kind of "documentary" and people they are dealing with BEFORE this shit airs. I kinda want to send the whole pdf to VPRO but on the other hand I think a summary would be better. They are probably not gonna care anyway, but we need to try. We need a video or a short enough summary and title it "You should watch/read this before you watch LN".

I have a Twitter account but barely use it and I have very few followers. I wish there was a way to tweet it to the "whole world" but just like Facebook that's not possible. But you never know, we may reach people that WILL actually check it out and have that knowledge before seeing the "documentary" and that's wholly different than being totally in the dark about the two men and watching it for the first time.
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Maybe send this to what you consider to be a serious newpaper in the Netherlands. It is 3 hours long but cover it all from start to finnish.



http://reasonbound.libsyn.com/pirat...chael-jackson-allegations#1xEqoZHkaSLdykMP.03
 
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myosotis said:
Well, one UK tabloid (the Mirror) is tired of the R/S story already. They've got a new MJ headline today:

Are La Toya and Michael Jackson the SAME PERSON? Conspiracy theory suggests dark sibling secret.

Do they mean it was LaToya doing all those great videos? LOL.

(The Mirror pays money for stories. Wonder who they paid for this one?)

It just shows how desperate these rags are for ANYTHING to write.

Let me think....MJ designed the moon-lander? (Secret inside source says).
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And now we are recycling 30 year old crap :).
 
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Good letters but the first one needs to be shortened with bullet points if they want to put such info out to the public. Even i was getting bored half way through the reading of it. Sad case of affairs though when all you can (if thats it) do is send out such a letter to HBO because even if now they are thinking "s#$/ we have been dupped here they will never admit it. They will never lose face. Media outlets always try to cover up their f.ups. and while the radar letter is wonderfully sarcastic is that truely all you can do when such a vile slander feast article is written.

Overall better than nothing but what will it acheive in the long run. The odd article will mention snippets but it will always be a losing battle
 
elusive moonwalker;4240460 said:
Good letters but the first one needs to be shortened with bullet points if they want to put such info out to the public. Even i was getting bored half way through the reading of it. Sad case of affairs though when all you can (if thats it) do is send out such a letter to HBO because even if now they are thinking "s#$/ we have been dupped here they will never admit it. They will never lose face. Media outlets always try to cover up their f.ups. and while the radar letter is wonderfully sarcastic is that truely all you can do when such a vile slander feast article is written.

Overall better than nothing but what will it acheive in the long run. The odd article will mention snippets but it will always be a losing battle
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Agree, but it’s a good thing many of Wade and Jimmy’s lies are now out there in the public domain after being published by an official source.

The Estate need to follow this up with media interviews hammering home the lies and duplicitous behaviour of these two scumbags.
 
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Yeah agree re following it up
 
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I would think if any of his brothers or Taj went onto, giving interviews and giving the simple facts here would do something as well. And it wouldn't even matter that they appear "too nice" or "too sincere", just getting the facts out there before this crap poisons people's minds even more.
 
One aspect of this is also after seeing Wade testifying for Michaels defense, praising him for years after his death and the accusing him of rape after he didn’t get the job for a tributeshow will anyone want to work with him in the future after seeing how he can turn..
 
La74;4240469 said:
One aspect of this is also after seeing Wade testifying for Michaels defense, praising him for years after his death and the accusing him of rape after he didn’t get the job for a tributeshow will anyone want to work with him in the future after seeing how he can turn..
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Oh absolutely. But only if they see this video. People need to click on that. They need to care enough to watch it. I do think they would sooner click a video than read a big wall of text. That's the plus side we have about the world today.

What I find so utterly tiresome is how some people still manage to go "yeah but still, why sleep in the same bed as them when they are not your own. Why have that alarm in the bedroom, why the hidden closet etc." while they aren't even aware of how two of those are straight tabloid stories.
 
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Wade absolutley put himself in the position to lose opportunities in the industry. He will always have this over his head!



He made his bed
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4240470 said:
Oh absolutely. But only if they see this video. People need to click on that. They need to care enough to watch it. I do think they would sooner click a video than read a big wall of text. That's the plus side we have about the world today.

What I find so utterly tiresome is how some people still manage to go "yeah but still, why sleep in the same bed as them when they are not your own. Why have that alarm in the bedroom, why the hidden closet etc." while they aren't even aware of how two of those are straight tabloid stories.
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Yes, but I mean people is showbiz in general in the future. I doubt that they don’t know that he used to support Michael so they can be rather sceptical to work with a person who can turn like that. What could he accuse them of if they have a disagreement or something.
 
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People are picking up the Estate letter. Great. Like I said, this is going to be examine even more when this trash comes out and I hope HBO looks bad especially when people hear about HBo not wanting to meet the Estate. That is very telling they (HBO) are up to no good.
 
La74;4240469 said:
One aspect of this is also after seeing Wade testifying for Michaels defense, praising him for years after his death and the accusing him of rape after he didn’t get the job for a tributeshow will anyone want to work with him in the future after seeing how he can turn..
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This is a very good point!
This is one reason I think Wade tries now so hard with this documentary that people in the showbuisness finally belive his story and see him as the poor victim to finally find a way to come back where he was in 2012!
Cause with the allegations claims they didn't trust and belived him and he didn't really received orders in the last 6 years.
The most important people for wade who he wants to belive him are the showbuisness people from who he can mostly expect that they will watch this documentary!
Other people didn't really matter for him.
Maybe the money from the estate is second for him by now!
I think he didn't forget to prise and present his talents besides his horrible touching stories in this documentary!
 
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terrell said:
People are picking up the Estate letter. Great. Like I said, this is going to be examine even more when this trash comes out and I hope HBO looks bad especially when people hear about HBo not wanting to meet the Estate. That is very telling they (HBO) are up to no good.
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I'm just about reading the letter right now.
 
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terrell said:
People are picking up the Estate letter. Great. Like I said, this is going to be examine even more when this trash comes out and I hope HBO looks bad especially when people hear about HBo not wanting to meet the Estate. That is very telling they (HBO) are up to no good.
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Why are they tho? It's insane, the respondent to the estates letter seems to be very convinced, he and the leaked Ch 4 email keep saying it's an "important" documentary, very strange
 
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Zeus7 said:
Why are they tho? It's insane, the respondent to the estates letter seems to be very convinced, he and the leaked Ch 4 email keep saying it's an "important" documentary, very strange
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What leaked channel 4 email?
 
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What else are they gonna say. Dam we have been screwed over big time by a bunch of liars. They will never admit it and say and do anything to save face and stand by their hatchet job
 
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There is an agenda they want to push. They want to shift ALL the attention to MJ from everyone else, especially the hollywood moguls. It is way deep and serious than what some might think. They have an invested interest in airing it.
 
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dmehta said:
What leaked channel 4 email?
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There was in internal email from a guy with surname Katz advising that it will be controversial but it's important and going ahead, I'll see if I can find it
 
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Zeus7 said:
There was in internal email from a guy with surname Katz advising that it will be controversial but it's important and going ahead, I'll see if I can find it
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Ah ok. Ian Katz is Programmes Director at Channel 4 and has been tweeting about how this will change what people will think about MJ forever etc etc. Sounds like a horrible little man.
 
Lightbringer;4240376 said:
In short, that maid Adrian McManus was fired by Michael Jackson for stealing from him, and then sold false stories to the media, and then admitted when under oath it was all lies. Now she is back again like a shark, trying to make more money.

When Michael Jackson's defense attorney, Thomas Mesereau, asked Adrian McManus how many times she'd lied under oath, she told the court, "The whole time," she said. "I believe I didn't tell the truth."

The Michael Jackson coverage has descended into absurdity. Facts and credibility be damned. Part of the embittered "Neverland 5" staff, this maid's testimony and reliability was cut to shreds at 2005 trial. She even admitted lying "the whole time" in a '93 sworn deposition.

Adrian McManus was also part of the "Neverland 5" - a group of petty criminals who tried to sue Michael Jackson for unfair dismissal. They lost their case, and owed MJ $1.5 Million Dollars in costs. McManus, herself, was ordered to pay Michael $35,000 for stealing items from his home.
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Why anyone would listen to her is baffling.
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The McManus’s smell is arrived in Italy too, I spent the whole afternoon trying to replicate the crazy online news. I’m speechless it’s quite incredible that we have reached this point.
 
Very.b;4240490 said:
The McManus’s smell is arrived in Italy too, I spent the whole afternoon trying to replicate the crazy online news. I’m speechless it’s quite incredible that we have reached this point.
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Well it's not a new story, everything they are throwing at MJ has been thrown before, I think the public are bored of it TBH, they simply don't believe it, Robson and Safechuck will be exposed when it airs, I just don't get how out of touch the media are from the public, the majority of people are calling out bullshit
 
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Double post.
 
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dmehta said:
Ah ok. Ian Katz is Programmes Director at Channel 4 and has been tweeting about how this will change what people will think about MJ forever etc etc. Sounds like a horrible little man.
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Please, they have been saying that nonsense forever. That is to hype up this trash. Only haters who already do not like Mj will dwell on his foolnesses but good thinkng people especially people who know what these guys did and tried to do and defended Jackson for years is not going to buy it. Again, I think there is a conspiracy going on with this stuff.
 
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In the buildup before Wade and Robson starts telling their horror stories Dan Reed brings up the 1993 allegations:

Dan Reed claims falsely in the documentary that Jordy Chandler correctly described Michaels genitals - that makes the audience believe EVEN MORE sure that Michael settled because he was guilty in 1993. I also understand that some of the footage when Michael speaks about the body search where they photographed his penis etc will be shown. (Dan Reed has proudly confirmed that Michael is in the documentary at times)

So Dan Reed is telling the viewers that Jordy correctly described Michaels genitals - meaning Jordy had seen him naked and also molested him per say. Then when the viewers see Michael speaking about the body search and proclaiming his innonence - the viewer will believe he is lying because Dan Reed just said Jordy described Michael genitals correctly. Dan Reeds with this scheme makes Michaels sincere statement of honesty become the opposite.

The 1993 case then becomes a slam dunk when Reed brings in false testimonys/hearsay from perjurers like of the maid seeing Jackson with Jordan in the shower, to corroborate his false claims about Jordy knowing the visuals of Michaels genitals etc.

After that, by the its time for Wade and Safechuck telling their horror stories, the audience will already be convinced of MJs guilt, and therefore wont question the shocking/horrifying pornographic details that are to be the told.
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If you read Dan Reed interviews, one of the reasons he thinks MJ is guilty is because of the disturbing (but false) storys told by "The neverland 5" for example.


What I fail to understand is, how can Dan Reed be allowed to claim that Jordan got the right description of MJs genitals? By doing that, he is fooling the viewers to find Wade and Robsons graphic stories more credible....

We know that there are no sources available that clearly says Chandlers description of MJs genitals did not match. We have the autopsy report, but we have no court records or statements from lawyers/policen, prosecution or the doctor present. The doctor present at the strip says he could not determine himself it was a match, but was told by some else later that it was a match. We also have Tom Sneddon doing TV interviews in like 1995 where he also claims Jordys description were a match. I think this will be a huge problem.

Are there no court documents about the conclusion on the body search?
 
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He does not believe them. He wants a hit and to push the same agenda his peers have been pushing for decades now and help shift the attention from those who are real pervs. He looks evil, talks evil, he is pure evil.
 
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Dan Reed made up more lies than Wade made. He has been active on boards collecting every lie told about MJ and repeating it as fact no matter how absurd it is. If the truth is in your side, you would never resort to lie. But he is lying left and right and doing so willfully and with malice. PURE EVIL.
 
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Soundmind said:
Dan Reed made up more lies than Wade made. He has been active on boards collecting every lie told about MJ and repeating it as fact no matter how absurd it is. If the truth is in your side, you would never resort to lie. But he is lying left and right and doing so willfully and with malice. PURE EVIL.
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How do you know he's been on the boards?
 
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