Does Price Of Fame stand out to anyone else?

I don't listen to Price of Fame that often, but the last three days I woke up with it in my head. I am trying to decipher what this means. It feels like something.
 
It is a great song that is mostly mastered horribly. It's so compressed unless you buy it on iTunes.

I love the Reggae ska nature of it. And the lyrics are powerful. MJ didn't want to be famous, he wanted to be accomplished. Respect is a totally unique thing. Fame is a rip off and a cheat of that.
 
I love the Reggae ska nature of it. And the lyrics are powerful.
I am obsessed with the lyrics. I've only listened to the song once but I'm wedded to the lyrics like my life depends on them. Or something! But I can't step away.

MJ didn't want to be famous, he wanted to be accomplished. Respect is a totally unique thing. Fame is a rip off and a cheat of that.
I think there is so much going on in these lyrics. So many layers.
 
I don't listen to Price of Fame that often, but the last three days I woke up with it in my head. I am trying to decipher what this means. It feels like something.
Lol! I’ve had it on continuous play in my head for almost a month now! 🤣

It’s a very special song, I feel. Love it to bits.

Edit: It’s been going since February 13th! 😂
 
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I’ve found that a song often gets stuck in my head because some of its lyrics are relevant for my current situation. Like if I would throw a ball at a wall all day, I would eventually sing Accept’s Balls to the Wall. 😅

Other times it’s just a really infectious musical idea. Which is what it ought to be in the case of Price of Fame and me, since I haven’t really dealt with fame lately.

But it’s not always logical, either. Sometimes my brain will forcefully reinterpret a line of text to suit my reality. (Tried to come up with an example here, but failed.)
 
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I’ve found that a song often gets stuck in my head because some of its lyrics are relevant for my current situation. Like if I would throw a ball at a wall all day, I would eventually sing Accept’s Balls to the Wall. 😅

Other times it’s just a really infectious musical idea. Which is what it ought to be in the case of Price of Fame and me, since I haven’t really dealt with fame lately.
This all makes sense to me. I think I have my own versions of this. But mostly it's just songs presenting themselves to me or just popping up in my head. I've never tried to analyse it, I'm only just thinking about it now.

But it’s not always logical, either. Sometimes my brain will forcefully reinterpret a line of text to suit my reality. (Tried to come up with an example here, but failed.)
Do you mean coming up with your own interpretations of lyrics? Bc I do that all the time. No, hang on, you said, 'to suit my reality'. I think I do that sometimes. Mm, I'd have to think hard to come up with an example, though.
 
This all makes sense to me. I think I have my own versions of this. But mostly it's just songs presenting themselves to me or just popping up in my head. I've never tried to analyse it, I'm only just thinking about it now.
It’s first and foremost musical to me. The lyrical attention is secondary. And yes, these songs will just pop up from out of nowhere. It’s interesting when it’s something you may only have heard once and ages ago! But well, they do come back. And neither me have before really tried to understand how this phenomenon works, but it sure is interesting.

Do you mean coming up with your own interpretations of lyrics? Bc I do that all the time. No, hang on, you said, 'to suit my reality'. I think I do that sometimes. Mm, I'd have to think hard to come up with an example, though.
Is there a difference between your first and second reading? Because I believe my “to suit my reality” was superfluous; whose reality but your own can possibly be your basis? I’m still trying to come up with an example, by the way.
 
It’s first and foremost musical to me.
I think I would agree with this. I say 'think' bc of course there are often exceptions to that. But mostly, yeah, the music is most important.

The lyrical attention is secondary.
Same. Although I do love lyrics and always used to think they were the most important part of a song. That said, I often tune them out and hear the voice as an instrument or as something creating a soundscape. I love voices. If I don't like someone's voice, I don't care how good they are, they'll never hold my attention. But I don't always need a voice and lyrics. Or maybe I do bc I am lazy about listening to stuff that's not in English. Hm. OK, I need English bc I'm lazy but I still don't need to focus on the actual lyrics that much. They are great - indispensible, really - but not always necessary in the moment of listening.

Is there a difference between your first and second reading?
Oh dear, I think it's time I toddled off to bed, lol. You've confused me! Not hard to do, lol.

Because I believe my “to suit my reality” was superfluous; whose reality but your own can possibly be your basis?
When I interpret lyrics I don't mean I link them to my own experience. Sometimes I do, obvs, but mostly that is not what is happening. Mostly my imagination goes wild and free. Actually, I can't explain it! I've just realised. I'll have to leave it. :ROFLMAO:

I’m still trying to come up with an example, by the way.
It's tricky stuff, this! It's there in your head until you try to capture it and then it's gone.
 
LMA was about the press. though some fans feel he kind of did that to himself. i love that song but it's not one of my favorites MJ songs.
:)
I always hear people say that 'Leave Me Alone' was about the media but although the video uses bizarre media stories, the song itself is about a girl, right..?

Which is sorta important because MJ is accused of whining about the media a lot but in reality I think he didn't complain that much about the press at all (pre-allegations, after '93 is a different ball game) and some songs that actually are critical aren't written by him, like 'Why You Wanna Trip On Me'.
 
As soon as MJ bought the Beatles catalog, the bad press already started. They made fun of the Pepsi Fire when they could get away with it, and Rolling Stone in particular began the jealously angle they loved. And that seaped into the rest of the publication industry.
I always hear people say that 'Leave Me Alone' was about the media but although the video uses bizarre media stories, the song itself is about a girl, right..?
Thriller the song was also about a girl, technically.

Which is sorta important because MJ is accused of whining about the media a lot but in reality I think he didn't complain that much about the press at all (pre-allegations, after '93 is a different ball game) and some songs that actually are critical aren't written by him, like 'Why You Wanna Trip On Me'.

I consider Why You Wanna Trip On Me an anthem. The same way Shout is an anthem. But is an answer/sequel to Leave Me Alone in a way.

But the late 80s/early 90s is the start and origin of a lot of songs that informed HIStory and the 90s records. TDCAU and Earth Song both came from 1988. Tabloid Junkie, Scream, Stranger in Moscow, all predate the allegations, ideas wise. Little Susie came straight from 1978, as old as Wanna Be Startin' Somethin. And obviously the covers. Lyrically there was a shift and in 94 the brunt of the concepts came to be as we've learned on this board and otherwise. Not all the songs on the record are strictly allegation focused and or inspired. HIStory itself, the song, is not. And Money and This Time Around are just catchy but lyrically meaningful songs overall.

Anyway, HIStory, for all it's talk of answering the allegations, tbh is pretty nuanced and much deeper than that still. What I used to think was a hard pivot that wasn't natural, or was reactionary, per say, I've come to see as pretty formulative and, natural.

It's arguably Invincible that's a bit ill fitted with a few too many media songs. Privacy mainly, but also Xscape. Xscape is just a way better song though, in both incarnations. And Unbreakable and Threatened are quite cool too.
 
As soon as MJ bought the Beatles catalog, the bad press already started. They made fun of the Pepsi Fire when they could get away with it, and Rolling Stone in particular began the jealously angle they loved. And that seaped into the rest of the publication industry.

Yes true but my point is that, although he had all reason to complain about the harsh media I feel that he actually didn't really complain that much at all! (pre-allegations)

A lot of anti-MJ people try to paint him as someone who constantly manipulated with the media. That's why it's important to notice that song 'Leave Me Alone' is not about the press but about a girl, and the video is more 'fun' than angry tbh..
Even on Wikipedia the song is unjustly decribed as 'a response to negative rumors'..

Thriller the song was also about a girl, technically.
I'm not sure what you mean but the song 'Thriller' also has a horror theme while the song 'Leave Me Alone' doesn't have a tabloid theme

I consider Why You Wanna Trip On Me an anthem. The same way Shout is an anthem. But is an answer/sequel to Leave Me Alone in a way.

How is 'Why You Wanna Trip On Me' an answer/sequel to Leave Me Alone? Maybe it's inpsired by the video of LMA but wouldn't 'Why You Wanna Trip On Me' would be Michael's first song complaining about the press..? And not even written by him?


But the late 80s/early 90s is the start and origin of a lot of songs that informed HIStory and the 90s records. TDCAU and Earth Song both came from 1988. Tabloid Junkie, Scream, Stranger in Moscow, all predate the allegations, ideas wise. Little Susie came straight from 1978, as old as Wanna Be Startin' Somethin. And obviously the covers. Lyrically there was a shift and in 94 the brunt of the concepts came to be as we've learned on this board and otherwise. Not all the songs on the record are strictly allegation focused and or inspired. HIStory itself, the song, is not. And Money and This Time Around are just catchy but lyrically meaningful songs overall.
I'm not sure if TDCAU is actually about him or a fictional character, since it has the line 'I have a wife and two children who love me' while he had no children at the time. Scream and 2Bad are also not necessarily about the media, more an general anthem about injustice.
So that would mean only 'Tabloid Junkie' could be considered as an 'anti-press song' on History

Anyway, HIStory, for all it's talk of answering the allegations, tbh is pretty nuanced and much deeper than that still. What I used to think was a hard pivot that wasn't natural, or was reactionary, per say, I've come to see as pretty formulative and, natural.
Yes that's what I mean, even though he had all the right to call out the media it wasn't that much; even on History!

It's arguably Invincible that's a bit ill fitted with a few too many media songs. Privacy mainly, but also Xscape. Xscape is just a way better song though, in both incarnations. And Unbreakable and Threatened are quite cool too.
Yes 'Privacy' mainly. 'Xscape' would be so much better if the lyrics were more general imo


So how many songs are really him complaining about the media; WYWTOM, Tabloid Junkie and Privacy? That's not much!
 
Yes true but my point is that, although he had all reason to complain about the harsh media I feel that he actually didn't really complain that much at all! (pre-allegations)
I agree. He didn't. But he did more than you think.

To Pretend Leave Me Alone is just a heartbreak song is being a bit, casual tbh. That video is a huge answer to the press. MJ knew how people treated him to his face. It was more than just stories, it was the industry. And that started pre-allegations. He was making big points, even if it wasn't entirely antagonistic and angry yet.


I'm not sure what you mean but the song 'Thriller' also has a horror theme while the song 'Leave Me Alone' doesn't have a tabloid theme
The last verse is all about cuddling up with a girl, how he can scare her more than any "ghoul dare try". It's supposed to have the same theme, of a girl being shown a crazy time by being frightened,just like the video.
How is 'Why You Wanna Trip On Me' an answer/sequel to Leave Me Alone? Maybe it's inpsired by the video of LMA but wouldn't 'Why You Wanna Trip On Me' would be Michael's first song complaining about the press..? And not even written by him?
Man in the Mirror is his biggest anthem, not written by him. Maybe We Are The World but ehh. Being written by him isn't relevant tbh. It's literally asking, Stop writing about me, talking about me, talk about the problems going on. That's simple.
I'm not sure if TDCAU is actually about him or a fictional character, since it has the line 'I have a wife and two children who love me' while he had no children at the time. Scream and 2Bad are also not necessarily about the media, more an general anthem about injustice.
So that would mean only 'Tabloid Junkie' could be considered as an 'anti-press song' on History
TDCAU is a song about racial injustice. Nothing to do with the media. I wasn't comparing it to the media songs. 2 Bad is just a general tough guy song, a sequel to Bad really.

The point is, he did do it, and songs like Price of Fame reveal the machine at work underneath all the big hits we already know. The idea was in MJs head and while he never went too far into it like people say, he did do it enough.
 
I always hear people say that 'Leave Me Alone' was about the media but although the video uses bizarre media stories, the song itself is about a girl, right..?
That's how I see it. I don't get the anti-press thing at all from the lyrics. And I think it's a really strong song, lyrically, so it doesn't really need to be re-worked into something else. The video is a good piece of work, it just doesn't represent the lyrical content of the song, imo.

As soon as MJ bought the Beatles catalog, the bad press already started. They made fun of the Pepsi Fire when they could get away with it, and Rolling Stone in particular began the jealously angle they loved. And that seaped into the rest of the publication industry.
The bad press started way before Michael bought the catalogue, though. The press was writing crap about him from at least the early 80's - if not earlier. It might have intensified with the ATV thing but it didn't start there.

I'm not sure if TDCAU is actually about him or a fictional character, since it has the line 'I have a wife and two children who love me' while he had no children at the time.
He was still with Lisa Marie when HIStory came out. So he did have two stepchildren. The lyrics do make sense. Him and LMP might have split by the time the single was released, though.

To Pretend Leave Me Alone is just a heartbreak song is being a bit, casual tbh.
See, I'm the complete opposite on this. I think to see LMA as an anti-press song is to dilute it. Lyrically it's really strong and I wish more attention was paid to what Michael actually wrote. It's interesting that the video has been so influential but also really frustrating, imo.
 
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It is a great song that is mostly mastered horribly. It's so compressed unless you buy it on iTunes.
and Sven Nelson's upload of it is probably the best master of it beside iTunes

The Price of Fame we got in Bad 25 was the 1986 Home demo I believe, Michael gave the song to Quincy in 1987 and he basically finished it. But do we know what QJ added in his Ver.?
 
[…] A lot of anti-MJ people try to paint him as someone who constantly manipulated with the media. That's why it's important to notice that song 'Leave Me Alone' is not about the press but about a girl, and the video is more 'fun' than angry tbh..
Even on Wikipedia the song is unjustly decribed as 'a response to negative rumors'..

I’m sending a simple message here: “Leave me alone.” The song is about a relationship between a guy and a girl. But what I’m really saying to people who are bothering me is: “Leave me alone.
Michael Jackson, Moonwalker
 
It’s an incredibly infectious thing, this song.
 
It's good, but not the stand out track..... That goes to Song Groove aka abortion papers, so good.
 
It's good, but not the stand out track..... That goes to Song Groove aka abortion papers, so good.
Interesting. I’d say it’s an even race between Price of Fame and Throwing Your Life Away.
 
Price of Fame is soo good. - I still hope they finalize it an release it on the next new album.
 
However, ''the price of fame'' seems a bit off, taking into consideration that he was the responsible for having his face EVERYWHERE, he wanted that attention, and now he's complaining?. For that matter, I like LEAVE ME ALONE better, it's a great statement, but the song is not about fame.
Does he really complain? If at all, he complains that he chose a life that didn't allow any complaints.🤔
 
Does he really complain? If at all, he complains that he chose a life that didn't allow any complaints.🤔
And I think it's more of a lament. Or weary resignation to the downsides of his chosen life. Although, if he was complaining, I don't know why that would be so awful. Being famous, successful, rich and talented doesn't insulate you from the frustrations and disappointments of life. You're still a human being, you're allowed to sometimes be fed-up with the negative aspects of your life.
 
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