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zinniabooklover said:
It is indeed a Star Wars reference - it pops up every year, lol - but consider this ...

Joseph Campbell, in The Hero With a Thousand Faces, suggests that humans have been telling the same basic story for millennia. The story of the hero's** journey seems to be the same across many different cultures, countries, languages. Lots and lots of similarities, apparently.

**in the ancient texts it's always a hero, never a heroine, afaik. No surprise there!
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Wow! I didn't know about this book, I'll have to get to know it better.šŸ˜
Really heroic stories have a very similar structure, I noticed it from action movies. And women-heroines are not typical, in fairy tales they wait for a prince)))) and don't fight. But they have trials too, but they are different.
 
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hope said:
Wow! I didn't know about this book, I'll have to get to know it better.šŸ˜
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Tbh, I've never read it myself. I'm always intending to but never quite get there. It does sound really interesting and I think he has a point. He traces the hero's journey and it's true, you can see those storylines being used whether it's Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings or Star Wars or whatever.

This is a different list to Campbell's but it's the same basic idea. Campbell's book was published in 1949, I think the newer theories are probably based on his thoughts.

  1. Ordinary world
  2. Call to adventure
  3. Refusal of the call
  4. Meeting with the mentor
  5. Crossing the first threshold
  6. Tests, allies, and enemies
  7. Approach to the inmost cave
  8. The ordeal
  9. Reward
  10. The road back
  11. The resurrection
  12. Return with the elixir
hope said:
Really heroic stories have a very similar structure, I noticed it from action movies.
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hope said:
And women-heroines are not typical, in fairy tales they wait for a prince)))) and don't fight.
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Agreed. Traditional stories are so old and they emerged in a specific era / culture. As long as writers in this day and age challenge those traditional ideas ...

hope said:
But they have trials too, but they are different.
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An interesting variant of the hero's journey here too with a mentor, trials, struggles... But in an unexpected context)))) There are interesting meanings here, although the movie is light and more entertaining

"Be afraid of your desires - they tend to come true."
Mikhail Bulgakov novel "The Master and Margarita"
 
I've encountered similar stages of the hero's journey before. But here's what stuck with me now: "Return.
To return to where one came from means to bring the knowledge gained to the people. In fairy tales and myths, the brought object often becomes salvation for the hero's homeland or the whole world.
Sometimes the plot of a myth is based on the theft of the sought artifact. In this case, the return turns into a "magical escape", when the robbed evil forces pursue the hero-robber.

But sometimes the hero decides not to return and stays in the hidden world. In spiritual terms, this means hermitage. Having gained knowledge, the hero realizes that he cannot pass it on to his people - it is still a victory, though not a complete one.

The only hope for the world is that the hero will someday become a mentor to the new chosen one....
If the hero finds the strength to not only master the knowledge, but to bring it to the people, the benefits brought bring his people to prosperity. This concludes his voyage of "there and back"...

I haven't come across the idea before that the power of the hero's gaining in trials should bring good to the community. That is, he not only achieves personal goals or solves his problem, but makes the world a better place by sharing his power with others.
 
hope said:
šŸ˜ÆšŸ˜ÆšŸ˜ÆCurious. is the stork memorialization here in the sense that it is unusual (atypical)?
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Please explain, I donĀ“t understand your question šŸ¤—

Edit: I found an explanation

"You use the expression when you are really surprised about something. If you want to say: That can't be true!

The stork used to be a harbinger of good luck for many people. According to legend, the stork picked up newborn babies from the source of life and brought them to their parents.

In addition, there were already dietary regulations in the Old Testament, in the Book of Leviticus, that stated that certain animals should not be eaten. We know this about pigs, but it also says, for example, that you shouldn't eat swans, eagles or storks. This is linked to the idea that one should of course not fry an animal as noble and lucky as the stork.

So the answer is:​

The expression ā€œFry me a storkā€ is used when something really unbelievable has happened. The expression is explained like this: The stork used to be considered a good luck charm, and it was also on the list of animals that, according to the Old Testament, should not be eaten. So it was something unthinkable to roast or eat a stork."

from: https://www1.wdr.de/radio/wdr2/themen/frag-doch-mal-die-maus/brat-mir-einer-einen-storch-100.html

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bluemoon7 said:
Please explain, I donĀ“t understand your question šŸ¤—

Edit: I found an explanation

"You use the expression when you are really surprised about something. If you want to say: That can't be true!

The stork used to be a harbinger of good luck for many people. According to legend, the stork picked up newborn babies from the source of life and brought them to their parents.

In addition, there were already dietary regulations in the Old Testament, in the Book of Leviticus, that stated that certain animals should not be eaten. We know this about pigs, but it also says, for example, that you shouldn't eat swans, eagles or storks. This is linked to the idea that one should of course not fry an animal as noble and lucky as the stork.

So the answer is:​

The expression ā€œFry me a storkā€ is used when something really unbelievable has happened. The expression is explained like this: The stork used to be considered a good luck charm, and it was also on the list of animals that, according to the Old Testament, should not be eaten. So it was something unthinkable to roast or eat a stork."

from: https://www1.wdr.de/radio/wdr2/themen/frag-doch-mal-die-maus/brat-mir-einer-einen-storch-100.html

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šŸ™šŸ’•šŸ™šŸ’•šŸ™šŸ’•šŸ™šŸ’• So it seemed to me that asking for a roasted stork was something wrong, something impossible. I've never heard of anyone eating a stork.
 
hope said:
@zinniabooklover I realize it's not Phoebe, but, uh.
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That dog is so patient! I thought it was a labrador but someone in the comments said this:

"I believe this dog is a Great Pyrenees. A livestock protection dog. Beautiful and gentle except when the animals are threatened. They say they will lay in a field like a rock until a threat appears looking like they are asleep"
 
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