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The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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Both pics this is Michael. Michael was at the conference as well. I never had any doubt about it.
 
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I'm not trying to convince anyone about the opposite,but could the memorial pics have some kind of symbolic reference?
He is alive-he is watching us? Doesn't this hold true for the afterlife beliefs as well?
 
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but if hes not dead then why is Forest Lawn letting fan visit his " grave " could the Jackson or even Micheal be paying money to FL to keep up with the hoax

i notice the first time i was there i went to the main office to ask where his grave was and the lady called some one and said " what are we doing with the situation " she dint even call Micheal by his name
 
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marias21 said:
but if hes not dead then why is Forest Lawn letting fan visit his " grave " could the Jackson or even Micheal be paying money to FL to keep up with the hoax

i notice the first time i was there i went to the main office to ask where his grave was and the lady called some one and said " what are we doing with the situation " she dint even call Micheal by his name
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thats a really strange comment that you have mentioned,
i mean ,situation,it just doesn,t sound very nice coming from fl personal,i mean if michael were really there,isn,t that something they would have expected to have his fans visit him,
thanks for telling us your experience,
 
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a i dint want to post this on the form after i went because it hot noting of it but now i dont know what to think
 
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Murray was at the hospital?

I didn't know it... :O
 
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Matt_MJ said:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid26761395001?bclid=1873841114&bctid=67096947001

So he went to the airport did he, Jermaine?
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OH :/ !!! :doh:


When I was watching the memorial these are the things that made me think - 'whaaaaaat?!' ....

Dangerous Incorporated said:
The best clue is this pic:

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ArabianGirl~AllTheTime said:
i also think that the best clue we have yet, is simply this one pic that was put up at the memorial, not once but TWICE!!!
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Plus Kenny saying 'we were here less than a week ago and Michael was with us' .. when in fact MJ had been dead two weeks.

Plus Jermaine singing 'light up your face with sadness, hide any trace of gladness' :/

IDK.. either those were slip ups, planted by someone to make us think this, or clues.

The coroner report (which I don't know how people can be definite saying 'it's fake') and Murray being arrested though. I just can't ignore that! MJ would get in trouble if this hoax was true.
 
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daisy said:
Both pics this is Michael. Michael was at the conference as well. I never had any doubt about it.
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I know.. I keep telling people to look at his TEETH. Some of his teeth are really distinctive in shape and they are EXACTLY the SAME in both photos.

I would do photos and circle them if I knew how to.

His behaviour was different but its understandable and his nose looked different - but that was probably lighting.. because those other pics of mj before/after entering/leaving the o2 his nose looks the same as usual as it does in the Oliver pics.

Again, go back to the comparison and look at his teeth.

The second comparison pics with mjs hair tied back (the left pic), ignore it, the head has been pasted on from a TII rehearsal picture. Its not real.

Why is it necessary for the hoax for the o2 to not be Michael?
 
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Rockin. said:
I know.. I keep telling people to look at his TEETH. Some of his teeth are really distinctive in shape and they are EXACTLY the SAME in both photos.

I would do photos and circle them if I knew how to.

His behaviour was different but its understandable and his nose looked different - but that was probably lighting.. because those other pics of mj before/after entering/leaving the o2 his nose looks the same as usual as it does in the Oliver pics.

Again, go back to the comparison and look at his teeth.

The second comparison pics with mjs hair tied back (the left pic), ignore it, the head has been pasted on from a TII rehearsal picture. Its not real.

Why is it necessary for the hoax for the o2 to not be Michael?
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I don't know why it not being him at the o2 has anything to do with the hoax either. It's pretty obviously Michael though.

The thing with the teeth is exactly what I keep thinking too, he has very unique and distinctive teeth, as well as his nose, his chin, everything about him is just too unique to copy, even with a mask. I do remember Dr. Klein saying that he'd given Michael several injections over the past couple of years though, which is probably why he looked so different.

Plus the hair. Hair can make a huge difference to how a person looks. He looks incredibly different when he just has his hair normal but when he has the curls he looks like he always has. If you compare some of the TII Pictures to the HIStory tour then there are only very few differences to how he looks and alot of that is probably down to getting older.
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
These events were completely ignored by media.
Event 1.

The fire alarm went off in the Peter Morton building, one of the UCLA Medical
Center's building. One of the patients (who was exactly in the Peter Morton building, cause of leukemia she’s got) wrote the following on her web site:
"Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, was brought to UCLA MedicalCenter by ambulance
in Cardiac Arrest around 1:00. As we walked back to my 1:30 appointment, Brett and I
noticed a helicopter that was hovering the hospital and seemed out of place since it
wasn't landing
And then as we were about to get to some bigger questions, a fire alarm went off.
We had to evacuate the building with the doctors and nurses and stand outside as the
media frenzy was growing regarding Michael Jackson. I think a Paparazzi probably
pulled the alarm as a distraction. Still, we had to wait for the fire truck and the
all clear, within yards of the entrance to the hospital where Michael Jackson was.
In fact, after the little fire alarm, we found out that one of the nurses (the one
who takes my vitals) was approached by a young black man as we were waiting for the
all clear. He told her his name was Jermaine Jackson, Jr. and he needed help finding
the entrance to the hospital, so she escorted him."....

The information above totally contradicts the following statements by media:
- MJ was delivered to Ronald Reagan building but the patient said that MJ was in
Peter Morton.
- What did they want to hide by the alarm?
- How could Jermaine Jackson Jr. get into the building during fire alarm?



Event 2.
LA airport (LAX) terminal was closed two hours after Mr. Jackson ‘death’.....

We’ve found in the internet some comments by a man who knew much more than we did.
"I know for a fact, that he isn't dead. 2 hours after his supposed demise, an area
of LAX airport was secretly shut down to receive an undisclosed person of interest.
Too many bodyguards and "lookouts" were circled around someone as they entered the
closed area, driven in a black SUV. Then the control tower was told to "ignore" the
liar jet taking off on a private runway, headed for an undisclosed destination. It
was reported that the person of interest was wearing a mask or veil over their face,
and the planes "call letters" were covered or taped over.
With the amount of debt Jackson had, and pending or upcoming lawsuits filed on him,
I would have done the same. just disappear, permanently.

Airports are periodically required to run security programs or scenarios to test
their crews and staff. So a "shut down" of an area is not uncommon. I have knowledge
of this particular one because I am a security officer, and was made aware of a few
particulars and oddities after it happened. Usually they are pretty much textbook
run-throughs, but this one was apparently last second, and very guarded' as far as
info getting to those involved. I just happen to be on the "right side of the fence"
on this one, and know someone close to the cause. Deception is sometimes part of the
job, but they went overboard to protect this predicament."

The plane that took off:
suposto_aviao_usado_por_michael_pra_sua_fulga_de_los_angeles_air_porto.jpg


And here is the proof that flights were cancelled on 25 June:
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Airport/delays.do?airportCode=LAX&airportQueryDate=2009-06-25
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I FOUND IT!

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=67096947001 (Credit to Matt MJ)

Now Jermaine has just confirmed it, for me at least.
 
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[size=+2]He said it himself, "I'll come back, and [size=+3]BAM!!![/size]"[/size]
 
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While I'm not a disbeliever - that was a helluva slipup, Jermaine! - where do you find that LAX was shut down? I clicked the flight info link provided, and the only delay/cancellation originating in LAX was 7:56AM-9:39AM, due to weather.
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
Brian and Joe became aware of the pic being fake from us here at MJJC. Moddie777 contact them a few weeks back regarding the post I started here in IU.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86191
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Or forums on the hoax. I doubt that they (Jackson family and others) do not know of the existence of these forums.

A fake picture was much discussed in these forums since the beginning.
 
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Rockin. said:
I know.. I keep telling people to look at his TEETH. Some of his teeth are really distinctive in shape and they are EXACTLY the SAME in both photos.

I would do photos and circle them if I knew how to.

His behaviour was different but its understandable and his nose looked different - but that was probably lighting.. because those other pics of mj before/after entering/leaving the o2 his nose looks the same as usual as it does in the Oliver pics.

Again, go back to the comparison and look at his teeth.

The second comparison pics with mjs hair tied back (the left pic), ignore it, the head has been pasted on from a TII rehearsal picture. Its not real.

Why is it necessary for the hoax for the o2 to not be Michael?
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I agree..the teeth are definitely the same....anyone can tell that..also if you look at the o2 announcements..Michael bits his lower lip and looks down when he blushes..you know because he is shy.....My heart tells me that is Michael at the o2 announcement....I think he just had different hair then..which is obvious to even a blind man ..but....yeah even the hand photo's that were posted...I see the resembles there to..I think both pics are Michaels hands.
 
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xthunderx2 said:
yeah even the hand photo's that were posted...I see the resembles there to..I think both pics are Michaels hands.
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Agree. It was Michael.
 
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Fire alarm....airport and Jermaine"s slip up is just .....I want to believe but I am afraid to believe at the same time.
But honestly people.....these things are just too strange. I am hoping. I am.
He had a reason.
My only wish that I am going to say one day ( to those who couldn"t believe ):
I told you so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Rockin. said:
Agree. It was Michael.
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Me too! no one can look that much like him... take a look at an actual impersonator..
E casanova is one of the most famous MJ impersonators if not the most famous.. but still when u look at him you wouldnt even need to think twice about u know its not MJ so where could they have gotten this guy that mirrors MJ's image so well?? uh uh i dont think it could have been a double..
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zpredra5 said:
Fire alarm....airport and Jermaine"s slip up is just .....I want to believe but I am afraid to believe at the same time.
But honestly people.....these things are just too strange. I am hoping. I am.
He had a reason.
My only wish that I am going to say one day ( to those who couldn"t believe ):
I told you so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm hoping for the same thing to happen.
My parents and my sister think I'm crazy for having a little hope.
I'm trying to stay in between believing that he's alive and believing he passed.
 
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ArabianGirl~AllTheTime said:
Me too! no one can look that much like him... take a look at an actual impersonator..
E casanova is one of the most famous MJ impersonators if not the most famous.. but still when u look at him you wouldnt even need to think twice about u know its not MJ so where could they have gotten this guy that mirrors MJ's image so well?? uh uh i dont think it could have been a double..
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of course we all know Michael's mannerisms....and that guy at the o2 announcements WAS definitely Michael...as a matter of fact I smile to myself..just thinking about him biting that lower lip....:)...and then blushing..when he says..."I will be performing the songs my fans want to hear".......I love him so much...God it hurts..:cry:
 
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Jermaine: Errr....MJ was going to the airpor...I mean coroners office....yeah, that's the ticket...
 
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MJJ7777 said:
I FOUND IT!

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=67096947001 (Credit to Matt MJ)

Now Jermaine has just confirmed it, for me at least.
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I'm still having trouble fully believing the whole thing but that plus him saying "heart attack", I'm pretty sure that Jermaine knows the difference between a heart attack and a cardiac arrest and is it really something you'd get mixed up when your brothers just died of one? It gets you thinking...
 
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Why was he smiling when he said he knew what was going on? Thats what it seemed to me.. :/
 
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So, if the hoax really is true... do you think he'll be back?
 
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I don't think so. I believe IF this is the situation, he was forced to do this in order to protect his life which was being threatened. Michael always knew someone or something BIG was out to get him. He was paranoid about it. He told everyone he could, while he could...going with Joe's statement he even told his kids he would be killed.
If this were the case...he could ultimately be in forced hiding or...I have always suspected some sort of rehab but yeah, I don't think Michael would do this for fun or simply for the thrill of it.

a comeback? Why would he go through all of this...just to come back? People will be enraged and whatnot...unless he has a good story to tell like...he was kidnapped the whole time? IDK. Other feel differently.
My advice, don't get too excited for nothing. I am completely convinced that either way I will never see Michael again. =(
 
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If Michael came back, the tabloids and everyone would turn on him again in a sec IMO But the love for MJ right now is so great! It's hard to say. Time will tell.
 
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MJJ7777 said:
I don't think so. I believe IF this is the situation, he was forced to do this in order to protect his life which was being threatened. Michael always knew someone or something BIG was out to get him. He was paranoid about it. He told everyone he could, while he could...going with Joe's statement he even told his kids he would be killed.
If this were the case...he could ultimately be in forced hiding or...I have always suspected some sort of rehab but yeah, I don't think Michael would do this for fun or simply for the thrill of it.

a comeback? Why would he go through all of this...just to come back? People will be enraged and whatnot...unless he has a good story to tell like...he was kidnapped the whole time? IDK. Other feel differently.
My advice, don't get too excited for nothing. I am completely convinced that either way I will never see Michael again. =(
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Agree with you. Even if Michael is alive will will never see him again.
 
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u guys all that proof?? and ur still saying hes gone away in hiding and protecting himself??? these arent things that we're looking too far into. theyre right out there for us to see... dont start doubting urselves now!!
 
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