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The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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Remember that picture?

Michael has autographed a photo for a fan at the London Conference, he wrote: "See you in July, and the picture is the year 2011:



Now the same picture, but with the message "See you in July, with the year 2012 has recently popped up online (25 Jan):

Of course there is a great possibility it is fake. After all, forging a signature is not very difficult, but a fan found something AWESOME. This is a screen capture of Michael getting in his car with the photo IN HAND!


This picture wasnt even known about until Michaels passing.
 
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I read somewhere he was talking a lot about the end of the world in 2012, he probably believed that`s gonna happen, so maby that`s why he wrote 2012. Because in his hands we see the second picture, with yellow letters. I wonder if the first one with red letters is real, why 2011?
Btw that`s quite and interesting photo to sign on.
 
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I got a question about the fans who supposedly committed suicide.

First i'd like to state that i do not want to disrespect anyone anywhere be it on this forum or wherever but um..... has any member of the fans who killed themselves family showed up ? Has any interview of those family members been put together ? Did anyone from the fans who killed themselves family ACTUALLY come forward ? I mean someone from their family, or someone close to 'em not Jesse Jackson or something.
 
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this is so confusing
i want to believe michael is still out there
but i don't see any solid proof that this is true
WHY did this happen
 
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Aw, I want to believe Michael is still alive... I want to tell myself that he is hiding somewhere, he is alive. And everything is okay. But there's one big reason I think he's probably really dead: His kids. I don't think he would leave his kids for anything. I know Michael would never do something like that to his friends or family... or leave all his fans! He never would have wanted us to have all this pain. I wish it was true that he's alive but he's not. :cry:
 
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pac said:
I got a question about the fans who supposedly committed suicide.

First i'd like to state that i do not want to disrespect anyone anywhere be it on this forum or wherever but um..... has any member of the fans who killed themselves family showed up ? Has any interview of those family members been put together ? Did anyone from the fans who killed themselves family ACTUALLY come forward ? I mean someone from their family, or someone close to 'em not Jesse Jackson or something.
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I think there was a girl here who posted a worrying message, she wasn't on for a long time and then apparently her brother logged onto her account, asked for the thread she started to be removed and I think he said she had commited suicide. As for others.. I just read in newspapers that 12 people had done it, I don't know where this number came from.

daisy said:
Please, try not to feel offended and if people are rude, just try to ignore them.
But if you observe or learb about some new inconcisienceies, please keep posting here, ok?

From my side, I can only tell, I will never ridicule these observations.
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Thank you :) xx
 
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Rockin. said:
I think there was a girl here who posted a worrying message, she wasn't on for a long time and then apparently her brother logged onto her account, asked for the thread she started to be removed and I think he said she had commited suicide.
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I remember that well, several members, including myself, were very worried and then we finally got the news about it. I remember contacting Victoria about it before everybody heard, I was hoping that she had contacted either Victoria or Mechi seeking help but... :no:

Rockin. said:
As for others.. I just read in newspapers that 12 people had done it, I don't know where this number came from.
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I read one article which said that they got the number from here. I don't know how accurate it is though, you know how tabloids can exadurate, it could be right though, I'm not sure.
 
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You know, some fans claim to have 'phoned Forest Lawn before the funeral and were told that Michael was not there nor at any of their mortuaries. Fans called after the funeral and were told that he was not interred there. I always thought that if this is true, it is very suspicious!
 
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*Billie Jean* said:
Aw, I want to believe Michael is still alive... I want to tell myself that he is hiding somewhere, he is alive. And everything is okay. But there's one big reason I think he's probably really dead: His kids. I don't think he would leave his kids for anything. I know Michael would never do something like that to his friends or family... or leave all his fans! He never would have wanted us to have all this pain. I wish it was true that he's alive but he's not. :cry:
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I agree with everything you have said. I also have no doubt that Michael would be unable to be separated from his children.:(
I wondered also about him maybe having a new identity, and disguise, but..........only a thought...............probably not a very sensible one...........but...just me clutching at straws..........It's just that the longer it goes on without any definate concise results............I have time to think this way..........I didnt even give this thread a 2nd look before, but now....I'm not so sure.:doh:
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
Go to their website and type in MJ's name and you get no results too:
http://www.forestlawn.com/visitors-guide/Interment-locator.asp
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But it also says:
4. It's possible that the person who made the funeral arrangements did not desire family information displayed on the internet. Forest Lawn respects and protects the privacy of its families. Public records are available from the county health department where the death occurred.
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^^ I agree, due to confidentiality issues they may not tell you that Michael was interred there.

I always thought that this was one of the weaker points of the Hoax theory.
 
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Samtkaninchen said:
But it also says:
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True and I did consider this. But we all know this is the cemetary plus as another member noted that fans called FL and they said he is deffo not there. Usually they would say they are not allowed to give out information. Not say straight out that he isnt there.
 
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I didn't know about all those little weird things on the credits and the memorial... Hmmmm. Thanks for posting.
 
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The way I see it is that a hoax may have been the answer to on-going problems.

If MJ knew that doing the concerts or whatever was going to kill him/ he was scared of being murdered then it's possible that he took this action.

If he was going to be dead anyway then....
 
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If you watch Travis Paynes latest interview about Michael Jackson, he talks about how he suggested to Michael that they should do a mix of songs on This Is It, for example a snippet of bad, then it goes into beat it and they actully end up doing dangerous, and Michael said. 'No, you don't tease them' So I doubt he would announce a bunch of concerts and then not do them, that would be the biggest tease of all. Also I love the way Michael thinks, imagine your favourite song was Bad, and it was coming on and you were getting really excited then suddenly it stops and goes into Smooth Criminal I'd be a little underwhelmed. Back to the point, I would love for it to be true that MJ is alive taking in all this cash and having a laugh at the media but alas I don't think its true :(
 
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Michael Jackson Buys Coffin For Neverland Ranch


The Sun reports Michael Jackson has splashed out $34,000 on a gold-plated coffin. ***** picked the ornate design from a catalogue after visiting an undertaker in Las Vegas. He then asked shocked workers to ship the box to his Neverland Ranch in California, and many speculate it was purchased for his own funeral.


2002

The Sun is co-owned by MJ's partner in Kingdom Entertainment.
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
Michael Jackson Buys Coffin For Neverland Ranch


The Sun reports Michael Jackson has splashed out $34,000 on a gold-plated coffin. ***** picked the ornate design from a catalogue after visiting an undertaker in Las Vegas. He then asked shocked workers to ship the box to his Neverland Ranch in California, and many speculate it was purchased for his own funeral.


2002

The Sun is co-owned by MJ's partner in Kingdom Entertainment.
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Wow that is eerie...
 
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simpson2.jpg

When The Simpsons aired the episode 'Stark Raving Dad' after MJ died, they added a screen graphic in tribute to Michael at the beginning of the show. Now I cant confirm that this image is from that episode but apparently when the newspaper regarding the fake Michael Jackson is thrown down on The Simpsons front door step, the word 'DEATH' has been added under the word 'hoax' from the original episode. Obviously being The Simpsons, this is nothing more than a satirical.
 
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If any of the official Hoax sites are anything like the info given in this thread, then I say kudos to you. Thank you, thank you.

Why? Because, so much what you guys investigating the Hoax possibility are posting could very well help those of us who are Investigating and seeking Jutice in the Organized Murder
of Michael Jackson.

Alot of your information may point in the direction of a well-thought out and conspired Cover up.

Thanks again for this thread and the info in it.

I for one will be checking in here periodically.
 
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Victoria83 said:
I'll preface this by saying that I don't actually think he's still alive. But, I'll "answer" the questions as just fantasy, ok?



I'd say (and just fantasy. . .really) that he "is" in a remote village in Ireland. Staying in a heavily walled and guarded private estate, as a recluse. He liked Ireland?



Just a small staff, hired locally. Including body-guards.



He'd communicate with his children by phone, or SKYPE. If he felt his life was in danger and that's why he "faked" his death, he would have hired private investigators to uncover any sort of plot against him. . . .so that he could emerge again, in safety.



His mother and children. Those investigating threats against him. Murray would have to know, too. Paid off? Hospital personnel? I guess Karen Faye would have to know? That is a LOT of people, I guess?



In the early hours of June 25. From his house. Wearing a disguise, in an SUV with tinted windows. Then, to a private jet. Still wearing the disguise.



If there was no body, were the paramedics paid-off? Were they actors? I doubt that anyone could find a dead body that looked amazingly like Michael. I do find it odd that the hospital never issued a formal statement. No medical personnel have ever said a word about it. There has been no autopsy report ever issued. There was no open casket.



He would be trying to resolve the threats against him, so he could return in safety.



Because he discovered the murder plot after he'd already signed on for the concerts?



Murray was in financial trouble. Paid off?



They'd kinda have to be? Would be investigating a murder plot against Michael?




It does seem logistically impossible. But on the other hand, so FEW people are revealing anything about his death. Murray gave brief statements, but also said, "I was at the wrong place at the wrong time." What the feck does THAT mean?

As I said, I don't think Michael is still alive. This is just fantasy, and trying to think through your questions.
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I like your post Victoria. It is alwasy useful to ponder all possibilities.

I was worried when Michael announced the O2 concerts and the sales went so well, that more lying scumbag extortionists would come out of the woodwork and make unfounded accusations against Michael again to try to get his money. I have my suspicions about who and why but I just prayed that it wouldn't happen. I hope to God it didn't.
 
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When Michael's body came out of the hospital and was being taken to the helicopter, there was a black strap across his body, but it wasnt there when he came out:


Also the feet of Michael's body looks thinner after coming out of the helicopter. It's like theyve shrunk:



And in this picture, you can see BOTH bodies. The 1st one with the black strap is in the background and the one without the strap is in the foreground:

I think someone is trying to pull a David Copperfield trick here.

All of this makes me think again of the moving body bag in the helicopter:
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Apparently all chopper-flights are registered somewhere, I heard that the registration for that one doesn't exist. Can someone here confirm that?
 
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I would love to believe this is true and I've never spoken on any of these threads but I don't see it. He would never do this to his kids. But there is 1 thing I remember and I've never seen anyone else bring it up that happened before and I've never got over the strangeness of it. I'm scared to bring it up on an open board. Ask me privately.
 
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Moddie777 said:
If any of the official Hoax sites are anything like the info given in this thread, then I say kudos to you. Thank you, thank you.

Why? Because, so much what you guys investigating the Hoax possibility are posting could very well help those of us who are Investigating and seeking Jutice in the Organized Murder
of Michael Jackson.

Alot of your information may point in the direction of a well-thought out and conspired Cover up.

Thanks again for this thread and the info in it.

I for one will be checking in here periodically.
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That's what I've been trying to say for a thousand years Moddie...the hoax theory isn't pointless...it actually coincides more so with the conspired murder theory in emphazing inconsistent facts as opposed to what we are being told by the media and those who knew what really happened to MJ on 6/25.

Plus does anyone have a directlink to the Grammys Memoriam??? I'd like to see that.
 
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This is my first comment in this thread.. I have been reading it today and watching some youtube videos. ..I really don´t know what to believe now! I never paid any attention to the hoax theary before today.. The thought of michael being alive, makes me both happy but also like I can´t breathe...

There are SO many things that dont add up about his death, and the behaviour of so many people around him after June 25 makes me more suspicious.

Also there are so many things in This is it that could be thought of as clues that he might be coming back.. like the sign language in the end and the scene in the very end after the credits, where MJ says: "let me breathe in my own time, than I come back in".

Im very confused atm!
 
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These events were completely ignored by media.
Event 1.

The fire alarm went off in the Peter Morton building, one of the UCLA Medical
Center's building. One of the patients (who was exactly in the Peter Morton building, cause of leukemia she’s got) wrote the following on her web site:
"Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, was brought to UCLA MedicalCenter by ambulance
in Cardiac Arrest around 1:00. As we walked back to my 1:30 appointment, Brett and I
noticed a helicopter that was hovering the hospital and seemed out of place since it
wasn't landing
And then as we were about to get to some bigger questions, a fire alarm went off.
We had to evacuate the building with the doctors and nurses and stand outside as the
media frenzy was growing regarding Michael Jackson. I think a Paparazzi probably
pulled the alarm as a distraction. Still, we had to wait for the fire truck and the
all clear, within yards of the entrance to the hospital where Michael Jackson was.
In fact, after the little fire alarm, we found out that one of the nurses (the one
who takes my vitals) was approached by a young black man as we were waiting for the
all clear. He told her his name was Jermaine Jackson, Jr. and he needed help finding
the entrance to the hospital, so she escorted him."....

The information above totally contradicts the following statements by media:
- MJ was delivered to Ronald Reagan building but the patient said that MJ was in
Peter Morton.
- What did they want to hide by the alarm?
- How could Jermaine Jackson Jr. get into the building during fire alarm?



Event 2.
LA airport (LAX) terminal was closed two hours after Mr. Jackson ‘death’.....

We’ve found in the internet some comments by a man who knew much more than we did.
"I know for a fact, that he isn't dead. 2 hours after his supposed demise, an area
of LAX airport was secretly shut down to receive an undisclosed person of interest.
Too many bodyguards and "lookouts" were circled around someone as they entered the
closed area, driven in a black SUV. Then the control tower was told to "ignore" the
liar jet taking off on a private runway, headed for an undisclosed destination. It
was reported that the person of interest was wearing a mask or veil over their face,
and the planes "call letters" were covered or taped over.
With the amount of debt Jackson had, and pending or upcoming lawsuits filed on him,
I would have done the same. just disappear, permanently.

Airports are periodically required to run security programs or scenarios to test
their crews and staff. So a "shut down" of an area is not uncommon. I have knowledge
of this particular one because I am a security officer, and was made aware of a few
particulars and oddities after it happened. Usually they are pretty much textbook
run-throughs, but this one was apparently last second, and very guarded' as far as
info getting to those involved. I just happen to be on the "right side of the fence"
on this one, and know someone close to the cause. Deception is sometimes part of the
job, but they went overboard to protect this predicament."

The plane that took off:
suposto_aviao_usado_por_michael_pra_sua_fulga_de_los_angeles_air_porto.jpg


And here is the proof that flights were cancelled on 25 June:
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Airport/delays.do?airportCode=LAX&airportQueryDate=2009-06-25
 
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